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Women hate the manosphere because it is misogynistic

August 6, 2022
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Why women dont like the manosphere:

I would like to say that the manosphere communities are terrifying to women because they reduce women down to lesser of people and that is the exact same tactics used to oppress people. For example if you look at any time in history where a group has been oppressed the oppressors have always thought their behavior is okay because they didn't look at the other people as equals There is nothing intelligent about hating a whole group of people. Manosphere men do not care about women or see them as equals- just as something that can be used for sex. And why is all this so scary? Because for most of history women haven't had equal rights.

It objectifies women

The manosphere teaches guys that women are simply objects here to cook and clean and have sex with. Terms like "spinning plates" show how women are viewed as just object's to have sex with. The encouragement to use women for sex is encouraged. If you have to put on a whole façade and use manipulation tactics for someone to sleep with you I would I think that is coercive behavior.

The ideal women to manosphere men is a teenager that has had no life experience, this supports my point that manosphere men dont care about having a equal just a pretty pliable women to use as they wish. It is concerning to see a whole community of men who hate women preying on the youngest girls legal.

Guys also claim that women objectify themselves. I disagree, when a women posts a revealing tiktok they just want some compliments and attention this does not equal to them wanting to be not seen as a human being. It is only men that see it this way. The true objectification is by guys in the manosphere who see women as objects to sleep with.

The manosphere hates women

They have beliefs about every age group of women. They hate women in their 20s because they think they are all sluts riding the "cock carousel". They hate women in their 30s because they are just used up women searching for a provider. They hate older women because they are too old for them to be attractive to them. They hate fat women, ugly women, promiscuous women, picky women. What does this sum up to = they hate most women. The only women they are okay with is a teenager who is going to please their every wish- and this type of girl doesn't exist.

The manosphere is not a self improvement group

It is laughable to me that some people make the manosphere out be a positive self improvement community when really it is a hateful bitter toxic space filled with resentment towards women. The manosphere is fueled by their desire to "get back at women" and the majority of manosphere content is about women- mocking women, judging women. The self improvement part is like an afterthought in the community and even that part is fueled by their fantasy to get back at women. I do not believe that the manosphere is a good community for men, it teaches young impressionable guys that they should hate women. How could that ever be a positive thing to teach someone to hate half of society?? They makes guys doubt women in every way.

It claims that guys are the only ones suffering in todays society

Its not just guys suffering in todays society and its stupid to think that. Guys in the manosphere think women have these perfect lives with a heap of guys chasing after them and everything being easy. Guys in the community fail to recognize that a lot of women do not want a lot of casual sex and just because its their fantasy doesn't mean its women's too.

Women are more likely to be mentally ill "It was found that 13.2% men had a mental disorder as compared 20.7% women who were mentally ill" Particularly vulnerable to mental health problems are young women from 16 to 24 years of age as 26% of young women had symptoms as compared to 9.1% of men". So no it is easily ruled out that men are the only ones suffering. Just because guys take the final step more doesn't equal that they are the only ones suffering and I'm sick of guys using that statistic to try down play women's problems.

In another post the author claimed that women dont care about mens problems. I think this comment was funny when I highly doubt he cares about women's problems. Women are the victims of the majority of rapes, pedophilia, domestic abuse, more likely to get murdered by their partner, more likely to get stalked, kidnapped, become single parents, etc. I do not see manosphere guys caring about the injustices women face. Manosphere guys cannot expect sympathy from women when they do not do the same.

The manosphere is not a good thing for men

The most mentally healthy guys I've seen are ones who dont even know the manosphere exists. Most average guys dont get casual sex often but get a fulfilling relationships. The most miserable bitter guys I've seen are the guys in the manosphere.

It puts a lot of negative ideas out there and is not centered in reality. It also teaches men that women are the bad ones and doesn't encourage men to be responsible/acknowledge their own hypocrisy.

For example:

"all women are hypergamous" Guys do the same, I mean they leave their partner of 10 years just to have a shot with a 20 yr old.

"all women want chad" I would say most guys want "stacy" the pretty popular blonde girl who's slim with big boobs.

"all women sleep around and then settle down in their late 20s/30s" Well most guys do/would do this if they could

"Alpha fucks, beta bucks" Women mostly want relationships with high value guys, but who gets those relationships? the alpha equivalent of females. What do the beta women get? used as a fleshlight by guys who pretend to like them.

Basically there is an equivalent to everything. Manosphere guys act as if they are such good people as if they dont have any negative traits due to male nature. Its clear that male nature has some negatives like they are primarily sexually attracted to 20 year old's, they are more likely to be rapists, they are not good at being monogamous yet they think its okay and actually encourage the negative male behavior.

But when it comes to negative traits of female nature suddenly its a bad thing when it doesn't benefit them.

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Title Women hate the manosphere because it is misogynistic
Author lana3068
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Date August 6, 2022 12:15 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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[–]wtknightGen X Slacker[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

Post locked due to OP making personal attacks on users.

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The self improvement part is like an afterthought

First at the core of TRP, is self improvement. Lifting is the first advice given. Making bank. Honing your social skills. Is that misogynistic? Or common sense?

Almost all TRP contributors, and subscribers will give you the same answer; that if you’re not focused on yourself, your success, and or mission; that’s the priority. There’s no hatred in that message. No malice.

I will agree that misogyny is a factor in TRP, and The Manosphere. They are though extreme views. Which do not negate the benefit.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]delight-n-angers 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You realize that "just make lots of money" isn't actually advice right?

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have more choice when you have money? Or less?

[–]delight-n-angers 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You completely missed the point, but thanks for playing.

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

missed the point.

Fair enough.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]Aluminiah 29 points30 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

And men hate feminism because its misandristic.

Everyone hates everything that they consider to be an outgroup/the other team, because they will seek out the worst possible examples of it.

Women see people like Andrew Tate and think that's a representation of the entire RP community, men see crazy twitter warriors using hashtags like #killallmen and assume that's a representation of the entire feminist community.

Everyone is in a bubble, and refuses to engage with ideas from outside their bubble. And the world keeps spinning.

[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s more like social media algorithms are gamified to feed us content that outrages us… because that’s what keeps us most engaged.

Everyone seems to fall for it. Even when they know that’s what their favourite app is doing.

[–]Aluminiah 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah fucking 100%

[–]Highflyer47 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Such bubbles are the fruit of when everyone is locked indoors with only the internet to interact with each other for over a year. Feels like people are a little out of touch with reality

[–]Aluminiah 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Disagree.

These bubbles have existed and have been growing stronger for a long time. The past couple of years have only been a continuation of those trends.

[–]Highflyer47 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because we dont really interact beyond our screens with one another. Even pre-pandemic all these over sensationalized projections were being shoved in our faces by third parties. Rather than challenge them we just eat that shit up. Like it's easy just to look at a protest on tv and see the select pieces that confirm your biases. Bubbles for sure have always existed, no question. None of this new or exclusive to this topic whatsoever. Such is the nature of being on 2 sides opposite ends of a spectrum.

But for example like you said #KAM is easy to conflate as representative for feminism since there is a vocal minority behind it but real flesh and blood feminists (atleast the number of them I've spoken to) not only disagree but abhor that kind of rhetoric. That is far far far far far away from what the platform is trying to achieve.

Actually interacting and realizing while we may be on 2 opposite sides doesnt inheirantly mean we are enemies. I would say actually speaking to real feminists had a strong effect on both parties in how we view one another. Sometimes it take actually being put into a direct confrontation to really see that. Like you said we need to step out of our bubbles but that certainly isnt going to happen if we are trapped at home.

Hopefully with covid these trends will die down and eventually end (sadly I doubt the end will be anytime soon)

Going to bed, have a good day/night (whatever is more appropriate for the time zone your in)

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Lets be real women writing killallmen are not dangerous to society but incels shooting up schools is. Misandry is not a problem in society because it does not have violent impacts, misogyny does.

[–]Aluminiah 11 points12 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that unless women start shooting up schools we aren't allowed to talk about misandry? Its only a problem if someone is commiting terrorism in its name?

How about the massively underreported FoM domestic violence situation? Should we just ignore that? Gender bias in the criminal justice system? Female paedophiles?

Calling attention to these things and talking about misandry and acknowledging that it's a problem doesn't somehow detract from the existence or severity of misogyny. In fact, actively ignoring misandry in favour of misogyny is likely why were currently seeing so many men flocking to things like the red pill.

When there are young men being told that all men are evil rapists and that a large number of people want you dead, despite you not having done anything wrong, is it surprising that they choose to ignore the viewpoints of the people that say these things?

Recognise the problems in the world, and be smart about how you want to talk about them. Be better.

Edit: Typo.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Its like saying that women rejecting men is as big of a problem as men raping women. Misogyny causes BIG problems in society. Misandry is a little problem that should be fixed but doesn't have much of an impact on society.

[–]Aluminiah 7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Whoever said anything about "as big", human suffering isn't a pissing contest. We're not competing in the suffering Olympics and only gold medalists get to talk about their problems. I would hope that were advanced enough that we can talk about and recognise many issues and problems with society.

Furthermore if you're a man that has been repeatedly abused by a partner of yours, it doesn't suddenly fix all your problems to hear that "well some women get raped". You're literally invalidating the negative experiences men have had as a result of misandry for what? Suffering points?

I mean listen to the way you phrase it:

Misogyny causes BIG problems in society. Misandry is a little problem

You're literally minimising issues just because they don't affect you.

Then it's a suprise when men move away from supporting feminism and into communities like the red pill, where at least they can talk about the issues that they're facing and how to solve them.

[–]Steakman1 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s ironic how you call out the manosphere trying to make men’s issues a competition with women’s. Yet here you are trying to make a competition out of misogyny vs. misandry. Where it’s only considered a big issue if school shootings happen as a result of it. Are you saying if school shootings were to stop happening, misogyny wouldn’t be a big deal to you? I’m guessing not. I don’t even recall any of the recent ones being due to incellibacy of the shooters. Extreme bullying yes, which I suppose means they struggled with girls as well. Misogyny has a greater chance at affecting you personally and misandry doesn’t have much of a chance. So you deem misandry as not a big deal.

[–]OfSmokeAndFog 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Immediate danger of violence is the only kind of danger that exists? Braindead take tbh

[–]UnfurtletDawnPurple Pill Man 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What manosphere. What you describe is just hardcore incels. This clearly shows lack of your research.

And like hey if you wanna play data we can play data. Homelessness, victims of violent crimes, murder victims, work related injuries and deaths etc...

And guess what

https://nypost.com/2018/06/26/woman-forced-ex-to-have-sex-holding-machete-to-his-face-cops/

By women it doesn't even count as rape so of course women will be majority of rape victims.

In many countries they literally have rape definition that women cannot rape anyone such as UK.

"(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis"

The domestic violence is especially funny since it's been proven for decades that it is happening at way more closer rates than feminists were saying.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/2015data-brief508.pdf

"In the U.S., over 1 in 3 (36.4%) women experienced contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner during their lifetime"

"In the U.S., about 1 in 3 (33.6%) men experienced contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner during their lifetime"

Yeah.... Maybe women just don't like it cause they are showing reality? That when a woman was to rape then she will get child support? Even if they were a minor.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer

But yeah there is plenty of crap from it ngl. But hey at least you shouldn't lie about crap.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was pointing out how both genders suffer from problems in society. No need to make it some kind of competition lol

[–]Aluminiah 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you kidding me with this comment. You spent several comments in the other thread directly trying to make it a competition between men and women.

[–]AllBadAnswers -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

both

Laughs in trans

[–]Sigma_Fang 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope. It's because the manosphere highlights womens behavior and enables men to avoid being hustled. It's funny when cancel culture started catching shit, the ones celebrating the witch trials called it "accountability culture." The manosphere is taking leverage away from women which is the real reason women dont like it and will shame you by calling you an incel for looking at any stats or data that paint them in a bad light...

Everywhere you look on social media or in entertainment, all women are queens, all women deserve the best of the best because they should never settle, and all women are beautiful at every size...

The moment anyone talks about bad behaviors, cheating, divorce stats, IVF/fertility windows for women, weight, having different rules for different guys, foodie calls, etc.... women jump to deflection, negating stats with their doctored psuedoscience stats, shaming language, strawman arguments that paint you as supporting a hate group or orange man bad, answering questions with questions, asking well what about men?, crying, or pulling the nuclear option grape/abuse/accusation card/get you fired for not bending the knee by acknowledging shitty behavior.

Accountability is funny... men will laugh at our mistakes and openly talk about our shitty behavior to teach young men.... But being up any of the above to women and listen to the "who are you meeting because I dont know anyone like that...", "I would never do that....", "I dont sleep around....", "well actually this no name group of researchers says that mens sperm is worthless at 35 too so dont acknowledge womens fertility window".

I dont see many women doing the same, helping young women not fall into the traps of modern feminism, waiting too long to have kids, the importance of not being over weight and healthy, looking for a partner and settling down in your youth, not sleeping around, the fact that men and women are different and those differences should be celebrated not to act like a caricature of what women see men as in order to be assertive and in charge, the risks and tragedy of real life IVF, etc...

The irony is that the manosphere actually is helping young men avoid problematic wome and young women learn what we wont accept and are avoiding and why.

The real reason certain women hate the manosphere is because it has weakened their leverage. The marriage rate has plummeted, men dont approach anymore, simps are called out, feminists are avoided, foodie calls are avoided, being a beta male simp provider is realized and called out, men are not adhering to what they used to in order to be destroyed by the marriage wheel in exchange for sex for a little while. You can shame as much as youd like on here but it doesnt work because we know that it's a sign you have no logical argument and only solidifies our point via the sour grapes.

If you want an actual rational respectful non incel mature delivery inside red pill / manosphere perspective watch YouTube channels like Coach Greg Adams free agent lifestyle, rollo tomassi, entrepreneurs in cars rich cooper, donovan sharpe, kevin samuels, better bachelor, pink book lessons, jennifer moleski, terrance popp, tribe of men. Those are what your men are watching and why they are walking away.

[–]Nocomment2198 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Destiny has the best takes on this imo. He acknowledges the reality of whats going on without blamming one group for everything. Pretty left leaning guy who understands how schizo some leftists can be. Also dude got women before and after fame and actually has perspective unlike most people discussing this. Aba and preach r solid to imo. Kevin samuels was good to imo, even tho he could be a boomer sometimes.

https://youtu.be/y9T_cmjHsIk

https://youtu.be/gPGj2lpbl14

Good video swhere destiny is speakin nothing but facts imo

[–]bison5595 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The manosphere exist because guys were given the wrong information about how women are and given the wrong approach. Men see who women actually have sex with and who they cry over. If you don’t like the manosphere, tell women to stop sleeping with toxic men. Also give better advice than “just be yourself” and “go to therapy“. The haters of the manosphere simply don’t have better answers than surface level nonsense advice, so the manosphere gives men actionable advice.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

so youre just jealous

[–]bison5595 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion, but ok 🤷

[–]HushPuppy1993 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Um let me translate the title into reality: “Women hate the manosphere because it’s telling men the truth about female nature aaaannnnddddd:

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

"the truth" lol. its pretty stupid if guys took this long to work out girls like hot guys hahahah

[–]HushPuppy1993 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I’m sure we knew that, we just realized women are much more superficial than we thought….

[–]Britannia_Forever 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you feel to realize how many guys were raised with the exact opposite lesson.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

lol you really believed your parents when they said personality is most important?? Even I didn't buy in to that.

[–]Britannia_Forever 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was naive as a kid and teenager as I imagine a lot of the manosphere was. Also it really wasn't just parents but peers, teachers, and even friends.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They have beliefs about every age group of women. They hate women in their 20s because they think they are all sluts riding the "cock carousel". They hate women in their 30s because they are just used up women searching for a provider. They hate older women because they are too old for them to be attractive to them. They hate fat women, ugly women, promiscuous women, picky women. What does this sum up to = they hate most women. The only women they are okay with is a teenager who is going to please their every wish- and this type of girl doesn't exist.

You don't get to blame this on RP. No dude wants these women regardless of pill.

You're trying to blame men's standards on RP like they didn't exist for hundreds of years prior to the internet.

[–]KombuchaEnema 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

OP’s argument is that RP men assume all 20-year-olds are sleeping around.

You failed to comprehend what they wrote.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea in 2022 most of them are. There's a lot of sifting in modern dating because most women are trash

Hookup culture is more prominent now making the average 20 year old less valuable.

[–]AelfredRex 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you just proved that "they hate most women". That was predictable.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being low value doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I'm disinterested.

[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You made the mistake of conflating Manosphere with TheRedPill i think.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can have all the fat, ugly, high n women bucko 👍🏻

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So no guys want 99% of women lol, SO picky.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep and you don't need RP for that.

[–]HazyMemory7 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd say women objectify themselves by selling pics of their asshole for the can't-miss subscription price of $5.99.

[–]JollyFawn90 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But she wouldn’t have to do that if it wasn’t for the for all the men wanting to look! It’s all the mens fault! She’s been forced to sell those pics of her butthole! /s

[–]el_tacomonkey 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read the headline as "mariosphere" and that would have been a way better topic

[–]Spiritual_Age_4992 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can't objectify women if they happily objectify themselves for Chad.

If they behaved liked they had sentience & commitment & love when it comes to romantic relationships I would've never even heard TRP.

[–]lana30681 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

You probable havnt even been in many relationships....

[–]Spiritual_Age_49921 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Enough.

You probably haven't had much schooling, given your horrible spelling.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't make things personal.

[–]WaffleBurner96Red Pill Woman 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t find TRP to be misogynistic at all

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you like the idea that they want women to just be sex objects?

[–]WaffleBurner96Red Pill Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don’t say that.

[–]herefortheparty01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one says that

[–]kunnizaro 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They hate most women because most women in West are not worthy of marriage and date.

[–]MovingLikeBroccolispewing actual honesty 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

^ Perfect example of the creepy yet lame misogyny OP is talking about

[–]Marzipan-Happy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So they hate them for not being worthy, like it is their duty to or something?

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women objectify themselves. Just open Instagram, lol.

Some also price themselves by requiring a salary minimum for men that she would consider dating.

[–]Impossible_You_8555 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hate and objectify are two different things. Most of us "objectify" most people. If I don't know you I think of you as a function. Waiters bring me food, employees make me money, I chat with strangers in bars because they amuse me.

I am a function to other people as well. I don't need strangers to see me as a person.

The manosphere had a goal to help men. You don't go to a feminist rally and expect there to be a focus on helping men so why does it bother women that the manosphere isn't about helping them.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

The manosphere teaches guys that women are simply objects here to cook and clean and have sex with.

Who does? MGTOW are either coping incels or men have sworn off relationships with women after bad experiences. The MRA community focuses on social and legal discrimination against men, not sexual relationship dynamics.

Terms like "spinning plates" show how women are viewed as just object's to have sex with

A "plate" relationship is purely sexual, yes, but that doesn't mean that's the only kind of relationship TRP guys have with women. If you're spending non-sexual time with a woman and enjoy their company then they are a "FWB" if you aren't exclusive, or a girlfriend if you are.

They hate women in their 20s because they think they are all sluts riding the "cock carousel".

Only guys new to TRP and lost tradcucks hate sluts, with time they accept and even appreciate them.

Sure, you're not supposed put a ring on it, but the same is true for any woman. It doesn't mean we hate you.

They hate women in their 30s because they are just used up women searching for a provider.

No, TRP teaches guys to simply refuse to be a provider.

Guys in the manosphere think women have these perfect lives with a heap of guys chasing after them and everything being easy.

Their lives are easier in this regard yes, I haven't seen anyone in the "manosphere" claim that women face no difficulties in life.

The most miserable bitter guys I've seen are the guys in the manosphere.

Correlation =/= causation. Men often discover the "manosphere" because of unhappiness. If a guy is effortlessly attractive and is getting laid regularly why would he need to browse TRP to learn how to get laid.

It is laughable to me that some people make the manosphere out be a positive self improvement community when really it is a hateful bitter toxic space filled with resentment towards women. The manosphere is fueled by their desire to "get back at women" and the majority of manosphere content is about women- mocking women, judging women.

Self-improvement and mocking women are not mutually exclusive.

Women are more likely to be mentally ill

Probably due to biology.

I would say most guys want "stacy" the pretty popular blonde girl who's slim with big boobs.

Guys may prefer very attractive women but men's standards are not as high as women's.

[–]vertr 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Only guys new to TRP and lost tradcucks hate sluts,

Alright...

with time they accept and even appreciate them.

Ah... because the they are sluts too! Like recognizing like and all that.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Ah... because the they are sluts too!

Sure, is that supposed to be insult? Because if it is, most TRP guys wouldn't care.

[–]vertr 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Only if you were using it as an insult.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not an insult if you accept female promiscuity.

[–]delight-n-angers 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"I haven't seen anyone in the manosphere claim women have no problems in life"

That shit happens in this sub on the daily. They say women live life on "easy mode" or in "the tutorial"

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A hyperbolic statement expressing the opinion that women have it easier is not the same as literally claiming that women face no difficulties in life.

[–]delight-n-angers 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's not what they're saying though. Men in this sub literally say women have no problems because men want to fuck them. Why not just admit you're incorrect?

[–]johnny_is_home1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Men in this sub literally say women have no problems because men want to fuck them.

Where?

[–]TodTheRod01 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Manosphere says women and men are good at different things...not that women are somehow less then men....

women objectify women...whether you disagree with it or not...doesnt matter its a fact.

Where is the ideal woman a teenager?? you're weird. A STUDY showed that men in general from 18 to 60 overwhelmingly preferred women 18-24....thats an ADULT...chilll out.

You're a woman....trying to tell guys that the manosphere is bad for them...when its trying to look out for men, in terms of telling them to level up, and be their best, and dont off yourself, and etc....

I LITERALLY can't take 98% of what you wrote seriously....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Eight TEEN is a teenager. Seriously lol, sometimes talking to guys on here I feel like I'm talking to intellectually disabled people.

[–]TodTheRod01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

its EIGHTEEN TO TWENTY FOUR.....

not like its EIGHTEEN ONLY....get out of your feelings....get the quote RIGHT.

also 18 is an ADULT....

[–]General_Arraetrikos -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At that point you're intentionally trying to mislead though. If you say teenager, you know very well that you are trying to conjure a picture in a reader's head of someone pre adulthood.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well maybe old guys should stop being attracted to teenagers then i wouldnt say it lol

[–]KissMyAsthma-99 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of the OP is pure feminist projection. It's difficult to overstate how off-base most of it is.

[–]HushPuppy1993 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Also how in the world is being primarily sexually attracted to 20 year olds a “negative of male nature.”

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So you think its positive that guys will never be able to have long term relationships with women without losing attraction? Or that they will be lusting over their kids friends? Or that guys will never be fulfilled because their is only so many 20 year olds to go around?

Such a un intelligent response lol.

[–]HushPuppy1993 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Um “attraction” in that sense is always lost, by both parties lol. Guys don’t really just after their kids friends, usually because they know that they’re his kids friends or they are the same age. Just because guys are primarily attracted by 20 year olds doesn’t mean they are SOLELY attracted to them.

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Just because you are not attracted to your partner and they arent attracted to you means its common. Sounds like a YOU problem.

Yeah but they are the MOST attracted to them. Basically the same thing.

[–]HushPuppy1993 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Um I never said any of that and no it isn’t the same thing….not at all.

[–]OfSmokeAndFog 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s a negative because women who aren’t in that category can’t get into it which makes it automatically misogynistic or whatever other buzzword. Yet somehow women are allowed to rule men out by things they can’t control and other women praise and encourage it

[–]shockedpikachu123 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m convinced men in the manosphere actually want eachother. They are emotionally invested into other men, think like other men want to be like other men. They just enjoy the female anatomy from time time but nothing about a woman can be viewed as human to them

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah true, actually male to female trans women are perfect for them

[–]Character-Current-57 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They hate it because it exposes the truth. How they do things. Men see their con games coming. The dual mating strategy some employ. It empowers men. Obviously they hate it. They always have to have a victim card.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No its because redpill guys see women as lesser beings. Would you like it is you weren't seen as a person?

[–]Character-Current-57 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They see them for what they are.

[–]Steakman1 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are certainly aspects of TRP I don’t agree with, and I don’t consider myself redpilled. But there was a point in time where I was pretty involved in red pill communities with a half in half out on my stance towards it. I guess my only question is how much did you look into the manosphere before arriving at your conclusions? Because these are conclusions that can easil be arrived at by watching a couple FreshandFit highlight reels or by listening to what the incels say on this sub. It only makes sense that since the target audience is men (I’m assuming based on your username that you’re a woman but I apologize if I’m wrong), that there isn’t really much of a need or desire to really look into the community to understand it. Just like how the target audience of feminism isn’t me (because I’m a man) and I’m sure there’s things about it that I’m ignorant about because there’s no extreme desire for me to really look into it. But I can easily arrive at the conclusion that it’s full of misandry.

I will certainly not deny that there are some bad things being spread around in these communities. But sometimes it’s a matter of whether it’s the true message, or how some people choose to interpret the message. Though this doesn’t absolve anyone of guilt. I’ll use my personal experience as an example for somw of your points while acknowledging that my interpretation as a single person cannot conclude that the manosphere overall is a positive or good thing. I’m just going to cite your OP based on the title of your paragraphs.

“It objectifies women”

How I interpreted it was that it’s the behavior of a woman which determines whether she is someone simply to have sex with and nothing more. Not that the fact that she has a vagina means she’s only useful for sex. Just because a woman is physically attractive should not be enough for you to want to be in a relationship with her. And if that is all she needs to be, then yea sex is probably the only use you see her for. You shouldn’t be ready to commit to her because she looks like a “stacy.” A woman needs to add value to your life in some significant way in order to be taken seriously for a relationship, and cooking and cleaning are the simplest examples of this since that’s what women did historically. But how a woman can add value to your life is up to the individual.

“The manosphere hates women”

There are certainly stereotypes about women of different age groups. Just like how there’s stereotypes about men of different age groups. Women are “riding the cock carousel” while men in their early 20s are “immature and lazy.” Other people’s words, not mine. I think it’s perfectly fine to not be interested in women who have lots of casual sex. But that doesn’t mean you hate them. It’s not like a woman who has lots of casual sex is the equivalent of a man who is a pervert or creepy.

I personally am not interested in promiscuous women but I’ve also never had an interest in being promiscuous myself beside maybe when I was in high school or something. But that doesn’t mean I “hate” promiscuous women. Just not interested in them romantically. Promiscuous men don’t hate promiscuous women. Because men can’t be promiscuous if there’s no promiscuous women unless they’re extreme manipulators who convince more reserved women that they’re going to get married or something. Promiscuous men just aren’t going to put a ring on these women. The ones who actually hate promiscuous women are the men who wish they could benefit from the promiscuity, but can’t. Just because you openly say you wouldn’t take a specific kind of woman seriously for a relationship or even just for casual sex does not mean you hate them. I’m guessing this teenager that you claim these men specifically want is just cognitive dissonance because I’ve never heard anyone in the manospere encourage pedophilia.

“The manospere is not a self help improvement group”

I’ll agree that content creators from the manospere let their greed get in the way here, and some men are there for the wrong reasons. And this is a big problem I have in the direction it’s going. Men would much rather watch the content directed at women than the content directed at ways to improve as a man. And as a result, many content creators will put out 5x the amount of content focused on women and a little bit of men’s improvement content. The women content gets them more views, which means more money and new subscribers. Your point on the improvement being an afterthought I agree with. But the part about it being a part of their fantasy to get back at women I don’t agree with. Get back at women for what exactly? For choosing to have casual sex? How can men have casual sex if women aren’t having it?

“It claims that guys are the only ones suffering in todays society”

I don’t think it really does. It says that women overall have it easier with finding potential suitors. And even though many of those suitors are bad, at least many women have the choice to filter through them while many men have to take whatever they can get or literally can’t get anything. Now how true that statement is is a different debate. But that doesn’t conclude that it thinks women don’t have any struggles. I’ve heard it be acknowledged many times how 1 in 4 women or whatever the statistic was are on some sort of mental health medication, and that’s just for the women who choose to seek help. But it’s a group focused on men. So it’s going to focus on men’s issues. Just like how feminist groups are going to focus on women’s issues and not say as much about men’s issues.

I think each sex is going to be at least somewhat apathetic to the other’s issues because men don’t experience women’s issues and vice versa. So it’s pretty difficult to really understand.

“The manosphere is not a good thing for men”

I’m impartial. There’s good and bad things about it and whether the good outweighs the bad I’m not sure. If the manosphere provides ways to be better but most of the audience doesn’t choose to utilize it and instead focus on their issues with women, is that the fault of the audience or the creators (Not a loaded question)? Is the amount of men who benefit from it worth the amount of men who stay bitter forever? But even if the manosphere didn’t exist, wouldn’t they have likey always remained bitter anyways?

I didn’t address anything else in the post because the comment was becoming too long to post.

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Its pretty easy to see the community is toxic when the most famous redpill influencers are misogynistic. They say stuff like "women are only good for sex" "all women are sluts" etc. In my opinion those are very extreme sexist comments and its easy to draw conclusions from their.

[–]gardenfan167 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean I hate promiscuity because I think it's a threat to the romantic culture I grew up with. I don't care about individuals who participate in casual sex I just don't like or agree with their ideology and I do think their ideology threatens romantic culture (I don't mean romance itself) I also don't like hook up culture warrior which are like sjw but worse because at least sjw fights for noble causes meanwhile there is nothing noble about casual sex lol.

As for women I do admit I have bias that I hate narcissistic women more than men but I hate them both though they are nasty people lol.

As for fat or ugly women I don't hate them and generally I don't care about looks when it comes to friendship. I rather be friends with a sweet unnatractive woman who is humble and pro romantic than a super hot narcissist women who sleeps around.

[–]sarkington 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Whaaaaaaaat? I thought women loved abuse, disrespect and disdain; the red pill says so!

[–]OfSmokeAndFog 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They do from Chad types. Actions speak louder than words

[–]Vtridolla -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with a lot of this, but I think the spine of the manosphere is to help men, cause men do certainly need help rn. At its core it is set out to help, but the fat and gristle to the manosphere body seems to be a lot of hate and bitterness caused from a loud jaded and deeply hurt and sensitive people.

[–]fruitypopin1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

  1. they reduce women down to lesser of people

or maybe it sees that women are lesser people and thats why women are mad?

[–]hairhelprequest 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you know for the mainstream manosphere the goal is to knock women off the pedestal bloops place women on and see them as normal people ( which means a lot of them are shitty, and will showcase some really nasty trends in aggregate), but you shouldn't try and put your own gender on some pedestal either. Anyways in order to meet hypergamous expectations and be sexually sucsessful you have to be better not just say your better by demonising women or glorifying men.

[–]MovingLikeBroccolispewing actual honesty 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You should tell your mom this and let her know you think she is a lesser person because of her biological sex

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are what I'm talking about. A misogynist.

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[–]RedditBotFarmRepost 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, women don't like manosphere because it's mostly whiny no account trashbaby losers.

Manospheres try to lie and say "Chad is secretly redpilled", when they know that chad wouldnt go anywhere near their toxic waste dump.

[–]AstronautLoveShackGuess WHOOOO 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn’t we just do this one or am I confused?

[–]Steakman1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The other post stated different reasoning. Don’t remember exactly what it was. I’m assuming this is basically a rebuttal to it.

[–]AelfredRex 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I look at the "Manosphere", all I see are immature narcissistic men pissed off that they can't control women and that no one is giving them sex on demand.

Let's not forget the crimes attributed to Manosphere members. If you voluntarily belong to a misogynistic movement that is inspiring spree killings, you may want to question the company you keep.

[–]johnnyGotHisTabla -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gee, I wonder why this post doesn't have any comments.

[–]Catherine772023 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or if the teen girl does do whatever they want in bed it’s not really ethical enthusiastic consent

[–]UralDeck 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All these walls of text just to tell us you hate men.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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