Women hate the manosphere because it is misogynistic

There are certainly aspects of TRP I don’t agree with, and I don’t consider myself redpilled. But there was a point in time where I was pretty involved in red pill communities with a half in half out on my stance towards it. I guess my only question is how much did you look into the manosphere before arriving at your conclusions? Because these are conclusions that can easil be arrived at by watching a couple FreshandFit highlight reels or by listening to what the incels say on this sub. It only makes sense that since the target audience is men (I’m assuming based on your username that you’re a woman but I apologize if I’m wrong), that there isn’t really much of a need or desire to really look into the community to understand it. Just like how the target audience of feminism isn’t me (because I’m a man) and I’m sure there’s things about it that I’m ignorant about because there’s no extreme desire for me to really look into it. But I can easily arrive at the conclusion that it’s full of misandry.

I will certainly not deny that there are some bad things being spread around in these communities. But sometimes it’s a matter of whether it’s the true message, or how some people choose to interpret the message. Though this doesn’t absolve anyone of guilt. I’ll use my personal experience as an example for somw of your points while acknowledging that my interpretation as a single person cannot conclude that the manosphere overall is a positive or good thing. I’m just going to cite your OP based on the title of your paragraphs.

“It objectifies women”

How I interpreted it was that it’s the behavior of a woman which determines whether she is someone simply to have sex with and nothing more. Not that the fact that she has a vagina means she’s only useful for sex. Just because a woman is physically attractive should not be enough for you to want to be in a relationship with her. And if that is all she needs to be, then yea sex is probably the only use you see her for. You shouldn’t be ready to commit to her because she looks like a “stacy.” A woman needs to add value to your life in some significant way in order to be taken seriously for a relationship, and cooking and cleaning are the simplest examples of this since that’s what women did historically. But how a woman can add value to your life is up to the individual.

“The manosphere hates women”

There are certainly stereotypes about women of different age groups. Just like how there’s stereotypes about men of different age groups. Women are “riding the cock carousel” while men in their early 20s are “immature and lazy.” Other people’s words, not mine. I think it’s perfectly fine to not be interested in women who have lots of casual sex. But that doesn’t mean you hate them. It’s not like a woman who has lots of casual sex is the equivalent of a man who is a pervert or creepy.

I personally am not interested in promiscuous women but I’ve also never had an interest in being promiscuous myself beside maybe when I was in high school or something. But that doesn’t mean I “hate” promiscuous women. Just not interested in them romantically. Promiscuous men don’t hate promiscuous women. Because men can’t be promiscuous if there’s no promiscuous women unless they’re extreme manipulators who convince more reserved women that they’re going to get married or something. Promiscuous men just aren’t going to put a ring on these women. The ones who actually hate promiscuous women are the men who wish they could benefit from the promiscuity, but can’t. Just because you openly say you wouldn’t take a specific kind of woman seriously for a relationship or even just for casual sex does not mean you hate them. I’m guessing this teenager that you claim these men specifically want is just cognitive dissonance because I’ve never heard anyone in the manospere encourage pedophilia.

“The manospere is not a self help improvement group”

I’ll agree that content creators from the manospere let their greed get in the way here, and some men are there for the wrong reasons. And this is a big problem I have in the direction it’s going. Men would much rather watch the content directed at women than the content directed at ways to improve as a man. And as a result, many content creators will put out 5x the amount of content focused on women and a little bit of men’s improvement content. The women content gets them more views, which means more money and new subscribers. Your point on the improvement being an afterthought I agree with. But the part about it being a part of their fantasy to get back at women I don’t agree with. Get back at women for what exactly? For choosing to have casual sex? How can men have casual sex if women aren’t having it?

“It claims that guys are the only ones suffering in todays society”

I don’t think it really does. It says that women overall have it easier with finding potential suitors. And even though many of those suitors are bad, at least many women have the choice to filter through them while many men have to take whatever they can get or literally can’t get anything. Now how true that statement is is a different debate. But that doesn’t conclude that it thinks women don’t have any struggles. I’ve heard it be acknowledged many times how 1 in 4 women or whatever the statistic was are on some sort of mental health medication, and that’s just for the women who choose to seek help. But it’s a group focused on men. So it’s going to focus on men’s issues. Just like how feminist groups are going to focus on women’s issues and not say as much about men’s issues.

I think each sex is going to be at least somewhat apathetic to the other’s issues because men don’t experience women’s issues and vice versa. So it’s pretty difficult to really understand.

“The manosphere is not a good thing for men”

I’m impartial. There’s good and bad things about it and whether the good outweighs the bad I’m not sure. If the manosphere provides ways to be better but most of the audience doesn’t choose to utilize it and instead focus on their issues with women, is that the fault of the audience or the creators (Not a loaded question)? Is the amount of men who benefit from it worth the amount of men who stay bitter forever? But even if the manosphere didn’t exist, wouldn’t they have likey always remained bitter anyways?

I didn’t address anything else in the post because the comment was becoming too long to post.