Women's inflated self-rating today is mostly due to men's desperation on OLD

wtknight · 2022-03-12T19:58:43+00:00

Re-flaired as CMV as this post is making an affirmative claim.

Puzzleheaded_Bet7294 · 2022-03-12T19:51:11+00:00

Damn, TIL my attractiveness is literally 0/10

ThorLives · 2022-03-12T21:14:24+00:00

I disagree that it's "just OLD".

It's not just OLD. There are plenty of women on instagram who gets lots of attention without even being on a dating app. I once heard a woman say that she quit dating apps because she gets plenty of attention and dates via instagram. I remember a story a few years ago about a woman getting hit-on by Justin Beiber on instagram.

I think the same is true on other social media platforms, including Facebook. Women can also go out to bars and get interest from men. It's basically everywhere.

The internet (via both dating apps and social media) has expanded women's visibility to a much larger pool of dating prospects than a woman normally has by just walking down to the local small-town bar.

sarkington · 2022-03-13T00:44:08+00:00

Men have always been desperate and thirsty

But only for sex

And we all know how much women value that

heyitsjeapeagain · 2022-03-12T22:25:36+00:00

What about females that don’t spend a lot of time online? They do exist and probably outnumber those who do.

Smitten_Squire · 2022-03-12T22:45:41+00:00

Its also general simpery

kdtzzz · 2022-03-13T00:22:07+00:00

I would say it’s more due to instagram than OLD. A basic 5 is gonna get just as many DMs and affirmation as a 10 which means they think they are a 10 lol. I quit DMing girls for just that reason. Nope I refuse to be part of your simp brigade. Would rather meet a girl in person.

daddysgotanew · 2022-03-12T19:42:07+00:00

most women think OLD is a joke

warramite · 2022-03-12T23:43:28+00:00

As most men are swiping upwards of 60-100% of women, most women will match anywhere from 50-90% of men. The variance in the number is too harsh to be a reliably way to measure attractiveness.

Hard disagree bro... Statistics show men consider 50-50 women to be ugly and attractive.. If he swiped on a woman it means he would be open to it, attractive is a spectrum and how much effort he puts in is dependent on how high on that list the woman is

Like a 5/10 is average looking to him, so he swipes on her.. He messages her and she responds unenthusiastically, he knows she isn't interested because of past OLD experiences and isn't attracted enough to keep trying so he gives up..

Now if she's a 9/10, he may try again.. Simply because he is that much attracted to her but eventually he will give up if she's as cold as the other one because he's simply believe its impossible

Women are only attracted to a very small percentage of men so most men's experience will be the above rinsed and repeated over and over.. Very low interest from thw women and eventually giving up on her cause of lack of reciprocation

I have gotten maybe 65 matches on OLD, all of them ghosted me.. now I get matches, let em sit for a days and umatch the women, cause I already know if she ain't reaching out she's not interested

Head-Language-2977 · 2022-03-12T21:06:25+00:00

Real life example: 41M in a city of 200K.

Background info: I’ve rated between 5 and 5.5 on the True Rate Me sub multiple times. I recently joined Tinder and I’ve had 4 dates in 4 weeks. I average 2 or 3 matches a week so I definitely act fast before someone else scoops them up.

Date conversations: Eventually during the date, the women have prodded about my experiences with OLD so I took the opportunity to prod right back. These women in my league all had over 1K likes and over 200 matches. These 5s and 6s have mentioned how overwhelmed they were in as little as a week. They also mentioned how many men try to message them over, and over, and over to get their attention.

Takeaways: Again, I’m only talking about 5s and 6s in their late 30s here. I think it’s safe to assume the competition is more fierce for women in their 20s.

TurkeyGobbler2000 · 2022-03-13T01:03:09+00:00

Evidence of women having an inflated self rating compared to men please?

You make statements as facts but do not show any evidence for it.

jjlew922 · 2022-03-12T21:55:12+00:00

Men don’t know where they stand cause, as you stated, they swipe on anything. If they knew their true rating there’d be some discretion or at least some preferences but clearly a quick lay trumps all most of the time. It’s honestly not a compliment when you get likes on OLD from guys clearly out of your league. Women know, relatively, it’s not that hard. We may get more quantity but it’s annoying and why many opt out of OLD entirely.

KGmagic52 · 2022-03-12T20:02:53+00:00

It's more than that too. When you can make 100k on OF taking pictures of your feet and butthole, you're just not going to respect what someone has to do to actually earn that kind of money.

floralgirl2002 · 2022-03-12T21:19:12+00:00

alot of woman dont even use OLD, I dont get the obsession with it on reddit. most woman have more than enough dating options:

-In real life

-In their Instagram DMs

-On seeking arrangements/similar sites (not me, but lots of woman use this option these days)

ariablake69 · 2022-03-13T01:15:53+00:00

Most guys on tinder for example are there to get laid, but have the ugliest, most unflattering, low effort photos of themselves on their profile. It’s unfortunate. If you’re trying to hook up at least try and look good.

test-e-cules · 2022-03-13T02:13:31+00:00

Men are desperate irl as well. We as men need to stop letting pussy have so much power over us and then the women will get in line.

daddysgotanew · 2022-03-12T23:20:00+00:00

I get maybe a 1 percent match rate so I’m considered a 5, maybe. Basically the 3rd through 7th choice for most women that swipe on me. I’m tall and a 7 in the face. Take that for what it’s worth

BlockedAgainIGuess · 2022-03-12T23:25:27+00:00

During my (F) brief stint on tinder, every single time I swiped right it was a match. I’m not even that attractive lol. It quickly became clear most men were swiping right on everyone, especially because some of my matches immediately unmatched before any communication, I assume they weren’t attracted to me, which is fine… but that’s exactly what the swiping mechanism is supposed to filter out. Since swiping right on everyone defeats the entire purpose of the app, I stopped using it. And not for nothing but I lost a bit more respect for men.

Chalkie_ · 2022-03-12T20:51:41+00:00

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Initial_Chemical7121 · 2022-03-12T23:02:50+00:00

Not just OLD, it’s seen a lot IRL too. But it’s also because we don’t need men anymore, so why settle on one we aren’t attracted to?

NateHate1402 · 2022-03-13T00:00:58+00:00

It could be this but I think they actually know and are just deluding themselves. Tell me how many times have you went to the club and started being successful with an attractive girl just for her overweight friend to come over and pull you apart ridiculously aggressively as if it personally offends her? If your experience is anything like mine then the answer is a lot. I believe they do this because they are upset at their lack of attention and jealous of their friends abundance of it so they ruin guys interactions with their friend purposefully. Meanwhile when they somehow get a guy interested in them their attractive friends rarely make a fuss because they aren’t jealous, they could pull a guy anytime they wanted.

Academic_Snow_7680 · 2022-03-12T23:38:21+00:00

WRONG!

Your swipes on OLD are dependent on the work you present in your profile.

Most low-effort men put low-effort into their profile and thus don't get swiped on. Most of the men on OLD only post one or two pictures and don't say shit about themselves. How do I know? Because I am one of those women overwhelmed by matches on OLD with guys that I have no intention of speaking with after the either don't say shit or immediately try to talk about sex as if I'm some delivery service or dispensery.

Put some bloody work into your profile and your numbers will go up.

If you have a low effort profile and don't write anything that tells me you're a low effort guy that only swipes on looks and thus I will not swipe on you.

That is the whole truth of the matter.

That and that there is an absolute oversaturation of douchebags on OLD.

Cynscretic · 2022-03-13T00:40:33+00:00

Nah, women are just more physically attractive. It's always been that way. Tinder is stupid, women like men for different stuff.

Euphoric_Ad_4972 · 2022-03-12T19:55:59+00:00

Women's inflated ego is made by feminism. In the old days a woman has to depend on a man for basic survival and she got that by providing sexual satisfaction to her man even if she was not enjoying it. Now a woman can out survive and have a pretty decent life without a man providing for her and has sex with a man she finds attractive.

Oli_love90 · 2022-03-13T19:46:34+00:00

I disagree here, I know what I look like, I’m not fooled into believing I’m beautiful because I got a ton of matches.

Most women are aware that men swipe right on all/most of the options. So it doesn’t inflate any sense of self.

It’s interesting how some men assume women have inflated egos.

test-e-cules · 2022-03-13T23:42:29+00:00

The ratio of men to women is a far bigger factor than perceived self-rating on dating apps.

Let's say everyone gets 10 swipes and there are 80 men who are 5s and 20 women who are 5s.

If a woman is a self-aware 5 and only swipes on men who are 5s, the match rate of the men who are 5s is on average 12.5% while the match rate of the women who are 5s is on average 50%.

If the guys are frustrated with their match rate, sign up for premium and swipe right on 100% of the women, their match rate is still going to be 12.5% while the women's match rate becomes 100%. So sure, this can contribute to women's inflated self-rating.

But more than that, it seems like you think that women have an inflated self-rating because you don't get many matches from women who you think are in your league. I'd argue that the ratio of men to women plays a far greater role in this than your hypothesis that women have an inflate self-rating (which they mostly likely probably do, as would any human in that situation).

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IcarusKiki · 2022-03-13T03:24:37+00:00

It’s projection of low self esteem

luigitrumpsmario · 2022-03-13T04:24:19+00:00

This is soo unhealthy jfc

2022-03-13T05:07:20+00:00

Water is wet.

ruboyuri · 2022-03-13T05:42:11+00:00

It’s not inflated. Men really will fuck anything and everything

modidlee · 2022-03-13T07:28:59+00:00

It’s not even OLD. It’s their regular everyday life. If you had people giving you the eye and running up trying to talk to you everywhere you went you’d start thinking you’re hot stuff too.

Dodechaedron · 2022-03-13T07:50:07+00:00

Isn't the ratio men:women unbalanced on OLD platforms, anyway?

alphadawg94 · 2022-03-13T08:26:24+00:00

No way, this fly’s in the face of the 80/20 rule.

Also here’s the math. Women swipe right 14% of the time on average. So let’s say we have 100 women and they’re swiping on 100 men. The total number of right swipes by women will be 1400. If we distribute those among the 100 men, each man will have an average of 14 likes. So the average match rate for a man would be 1.4/10. Obviously some men will receive a higher percentage of those 1400 likes sent out by the women, but the average will stay the same. So unless we assume the average guy is a 1.4 out of 10 in attractiveness, this test doesn’t check out.

If we switched men and women in the experiment, we would have a much more realistic estimate, because men swipe right 46% of the time, making the average woman a 4.6/10.

If women knew the actual right swipe rate of their profile, they might have a better sense of how they’re rated. It still wouldn’t change their behavior though. There are 4 times as many men as women on tinder, and men swipe right 3-4 times more, so the average woman will have maybe 16 times the number of right swipes as the average man. And that’s assuming women will actually make a decision on all those extra men. If we assume men swipe on all women in their area and women will swipe an equal number of times to the men, then men only have a 1/4 chance of even being seen, so the average woman would now receive 64 times as many right swipes as the average man.

Rispy_Girl · 2022-03-13T10:30:59+00:00

Also many men are on Tinder for easy sex, not dating. I'm betting they would be more discerning if their goal was dating.

fatalcharm · 2022-03-13T12:51:26+00:00

But my self-rating only inflated after I quit online dating.

If you are of average attractiveness or above, then having men fawn over your looks all the time actually hurts your self esteem. It gets old, you get sick of the superficial compliments and wish that they could see beyond your appearance. You start to feel like maybe there is nothing more to you than your appearance. It’s destructive.

This is why some men in TRP think that “negging” works. Negging isn’t necessary, you don’t need to go that far and most women see through it. Just don’t fawn over a woman’s appearance and she will take notice, not because she needs validation and you are not giving it to her, but because the constant compliments and fawning get really old and annoying and when you don’t do it, you are like a breath of fresh air to her.

iwasneverherehaha · 2022-03-13T14:26:06+00:00

If whenever iv used tinder I auto swipe right on everyone without even looking at there profiles.

I cant be bothered to look at pictures and bios

I simply sift through the matches and decide from that who I'm going to bother to message.

Il prioritize looks and then bio,

No interesting bio not message from me and I refuse to compliment women in there appearance from the photos..

I refuse to give people free attention that use these apps

marsbar77 · 2022-03-13T16:24:20+00:00

This is a terrible metric since your exposure to potential matches is modulated by the app. Women have a completely different experience on the dating apps and that is by design. The apps want women so they give them more play were as men only get shown as much depending on whether they subscribe.

It should also be noted that it is a common OLD strategy for men to swipe all right and then sift through the matches as it’s a waste of time to read through profile you may or may not be matched with.

Traditional_Job2467 · 2022-03-13T16:29:25+00:00

Despite the 80/20 rule

Title	Women's inflated self-rating today is mostly due to men's desperation on OLD
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Date	March 12, 2022 7:37 PM UTC (10 months ago)
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