Would society be better or worse off if every male was getting as much sex as he wanted?

belletaco · 2019-02-27T16:10:56+00:00

This leads to a whole host of problems in society - higher crime rates (including rape), prostitution, sexual harassment, the wide prevalence of porn etc. Addiction to things like alcohol, drugs and gambling are almost exclusively male problems, largely because their sex drives were never fulfilled - so they use these things as coping mechanisms.

this is a lot to claim with not a lot to back it up. i can understand trying to draw a correlation between rape and sexual harassment to high sex drives + no release, but it's pretty widely accepted that both of these things are more related to power and degradation than anything else. many prolific rapists had girlfriends/mistresses/wives. and i don't think the food truck guy on the corner of my building whistles because he isn't getting some at home, it's because he is bored and it's entertaining to make people uncomfortable.

as for alcohol, drugs and gambling.. what? do you have ANYTHING that can back that up? the biggest correlation between all of these addictions, i believe, is poverty. a more likely scenario is someone is addicted to drugs, alcohol or gambling which causes a decline in attraction for their partner which leads to a dead bedroom.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2019-02-27T16:33:01+00:00

The rate of violent crime has dropped for the last 25 years from a peak in the early 90s. Addiction is an issue with the medical and pharmaceutical industry, with the widespread use of prescription opioids. Addiction is hardly an exclusively male problem.

This is a silly take predicted on a very false world view.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-02-27T16:11:44+00:00

men are not getting sex because for the first time in history they are simply refusing to avail themselves of prostitution. i dont understand what "Sex" you all beleive unmarried males got in the past

lefactorybebe · 2019-02-27T16:12:11+00:00

Lol what is this? 50% of men are sexless? Are you serious?

diffdedbed · 2019-02-27T16:27:46+00:00

Because women are hypergamous and most of them are only truly attracted the top 10-20% of males, many men have little or no sex throughout their lives.

Look you said a bullshit thing.

This 80-20 nonsense is going to create more incels than all the uglysticks in the world.

And while we are at it lets be honest, most incels, who are not mentally ill, are vocels.

Regal_Newt · 2019-02-27T16:39:09+00:00

The bottom 50% are not sexless. You heard wrong.
None of those negative things (rape, gambling, substance abuse, etc ) are due to lack of sex.
None of those positive things (building civilizations, etc) are due to lack of sex.

You're doing some real mental gymnastics here.

CombatStacey · 2019-02-28T05:19:54+00:00

> This leads to a whole host of problems in society - higher crime rates (including rape), prostitution, sexual harassment, the wide prevalence of porn etc. Addiction to things like alcohol, drugs and gambling are almost exclusively male problems, largely because their sex drives were never fulfilled - so they use these things as coping mechanisms.

Yes, the porn and prostitution industries would be just about gone in your proposed world.

Some of the crime rate would possibly go down. But most crime is due to people wanting more money and power. Your hypothesis might make sense if all men who grew rich left their families for a life of debauchery - but this isn't the case.

Men would still commit a large degree of the rapes they commit today, because sex doesn't mean power and it doesn't give you money (unless you're selling it) - and a large percentage of rape is due to power fantasies. They would still rape children. They would still get addicted to drugs (you telling me the rock stars who die of drug overdoses didn't have all the sex they could want?)

Alcohol and drugs are not "almost exclusively male problems". They are human problems and affect a huge percentage of women.

> For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things. They build civilizations, invent things, build businesses, create art, create new technologies, take up sport (thus providing us with entertainment) etc.

Hahhahahahahhahahha

No.

People invent because curiosity is a human thing. People want to protect the children of a civilisation, so they build. People create art because we are born creative.

Men STOLE the ability from women to do those things for thousands of years. They stood on women's necks and held them down at every turn. They took credit from the few women who did manage to fight their way into positions in science and medicine and town planning etc

Anyone who believes men did these things for sex is nuts. Anyone who believes that women don't want to build, create and invent due to being women is nuts.

RandomAttackHelpMe · 2019-02-27T16:24:24+00:00

The way you put it, it might be better if it was guaranteed that inability to get sex would make men try more to get it, but because career doesn’t automatically guarantee sex, they wont want to try as much.

But I think men would overall be happier if he got all the sex he wanted, and it might make him feel validation and want to do more for society because he just has a better self image. Depression and poor self image has a great way of making you not want to try.

Sir_Koopaman · 2019-02-27T17:18:17+00:00

Worse off. Within the last 25 years, virtually every vice and crime that had previously existed has gone down. The rate of drug addiction, murder, felonies, alcoholism, tobacco use, teen pregnancy, and many other bad things have all decreased. I won't even address the rest of your post, considering how incorrect your arguments are.

As much as it pains me to say this, but there's a reason why virtually every agricultural society except ours within the last 50 years has restricted male (and female) sexuality in some fashion. It's to keep the ~~peasants~~ people occupied with work and maintaining society rather than constantly breeding themselves into overpopulation and famine.

If male sexuality were to be liberated like female sexuality has been, then human sexuality would essentially return to pre-agricultural times. From there, I cannot predict what will happen, but I can almost certainly say that it would not be good for Western civilization (or any other human civilization).

Electra_Cute · 2019-02-27T16:09:09+00:00

Most men can masturbate and have infinite pornography, that seems to cause problems so I imagine that abusing your orgasm to pornography would be the same as abusing it to have sex.

Eastuss · 2019-02-27T16:15:19+00:00

But is it really all a bad thing? For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things.

How is that making any sense to you? Think of a single dude that does great things nowadays and is an incel. I don't know what kind of human being you have to be to have such ideal that: no sex => more time for great things. Elon Musk has 6 kids, for fuck sake. Can you imagine how much of his time and energy is sucked into having sex and raising kids?

Most incels I know have a cruel deficit in emotional and social intelligence, do you think they can do any business, entrepreneurship, and such, with this kind of garbage intellect? They're literally omega slaves for the actual entrepreneurs.

Evolution did things well, men who have the most sex are the most valuable men in a way or another. Those who can't likely can't have much impact on society besides by being disposable human resource.

hammerhaunts · 2019-02-27T16:12:10+00:00

Worse

rus9384 · 2019-02-27T18:35:39+00:00

I think your numbers are exaggerated. Not half of men actually can't get laid and there are women who can't.

Women are hypergamous... yeah, and they have MFM dreams.

Finally, sex drives are higher in men, but it's harder for a woman to get saciety. I.e. compare the one who eats 3 times a day but each portion is small and the one who eats one time a day but takes a big portion. This is similar.

Now, well, the interesting question for those who think they have to little sex: would you participate in group sex with other males (no homo stuff)? I mean celibacy vs. sharing, what is worse.

Yet, let me even agree with whatever you said there. Then imagine that woman-looking androids are manufactured and men can have sex with them. I guess... right, men will be happier overall. Whether the effect on society will be significant? Not sure it will. Around half of rapes are commited because of the desire to dominate, not mere sex (lol, rapists usually are not poot men who can't afford a prostitute).

[deleted] · 2019-02-27T18:51:44+00:00

When you get access to a lot of sex, you start realizing that you don’t want it nearly as much as you think you do.

whichbladeN · 2019-02-27T16:50:45+00:00

Worse off. We'd have too many accidental pregnancies and very widespread STDs across the population if all men were having gratuitous sex.

MGTOWtoday · 2019-02-27T19:02:04+00:00

If every male got as much sex as he wanted (without women getting pregnant as a result) then society would completely fall apart.

Million-Suns · 2019-02-28T01:38:46+00:00

(There is no automod)

According to that logic, then sex robots are the future for male appeasement.

shipiaozi · 2019-02-28T05:27:34+00:00

I don't think bottom 50% of men today are sexless, but it is probably true for ancient China. China has very long history of unbalanced gender ratio, usually about 200:100 at the end of a dynasty. Too many incels is absolutely a huge social problem and one of the major reasons of these stupid bloody civil wars that each killed tens of millions of people. Almost every dynasty tried some policy to stop infanticide but all of them eventually failed.

reluctantly_red · 2019-02-28T06:08:35+00:00

I'm actually much more productive when I have a regular GF/SO/wife. Chasing after new pussy takes a lot of time effort and money.

abaxeron · 2019-02-28T11:03:14+00:00

But is it really all a bad thing?

Yes.

For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things.

Mixing cause and effect. Some most valuable scientists are believed to have died virgins. It doesn't mean that if you take a random person and put them into a chastity belt, they'll instantly become most valuable scientists.

julesar7 · 2019-02-28T11:06:09+00:00

Where would men get as much sex as they wanted? Maybe a better question would be, Would society be better if men and women had the same sex drive?

[deleted] · 2019-02-28T19:59:07+00:00

It is a bad thing because sex is necessary. We have elvoved complicated emotional systems that steer us into reproduction. The system rewards behaviours that lead to reproduction (happiness, comfort, euphoria, etc.) and it punishes behaviours that don't (anger, frustration, sadness, depression and many other mental illnesses).

jonathino001 · 2019-02-28T22:28:28+00:00

But is it really all a bad thing? For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things. They build civilizations, invent things, build businesses, create art, create new technologies, take up sport (thus providing us with entertainment) etc.

This might be true in a small minority of men, but for most precisely the opposite is true. Men are motivated by women. When a man looses his woman, or generally can't get a woman, more often than not it causes an attitude of "why fucking bother? What's the point of living if I can't pursue my biological drive to be a provider?"

As my flair would indicate, I frequent r/MGTOW, and my experience there has been a lot of men who feel liberated by going their own way, and often that motivates them to self improvement, however every now and then we get a post that's like "what's the point? I've pursued relationships my whole life, and now that's gone I don't know what to do."

So even among a group that's all about self motivation, we still get people who lose motivation without a woman. Which leads me to believe that among the general population that is the more common attitude.

[deleted] · 2019-03-01T14:19:23+00:00

Overall, yes, society would be better. The crime rate would drop, rapes would be down to zero, and we wouldn't have so many issues with men and women not seeing eye to eye today.

On the downside, the economy will slow down. Many men seek success just to have a better pool of women to choose from. If every man is getting sex as he likes, there won't be so many men competing for high salary jobs. At the same time, the men who chose to do so have a vast amount of capital they can attain much easier but very few men are motivated to seek this out.

BumblingBeta · 2019-03-01T15:20:43+00:00

I've heard that the bottom 50% of men in society are completely sexless

I'd not be surprised to find out that if you rule out various ways of paying for sex without an explicit cash transaction that the percentage is higher.

JezebeltheQueen5656 · 2019-03-01T16:19:00+00:00

Because women are hypergamous and most of them are only truly attracted the top 10-20% of males

untrue. it is just most males are below average so they come up with biotrooths like this to make themselves feel better instead on working on their numerous shortcomings. most males are also whiney bitches.

many men have little or no sex throughout their lives

boo hoo, let me play the smallest violin.

I've heard that the bottom 50% of men in society are completely sexless

cue the smallest violin ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♫ ♫

Women cannot even fathom how this is possible, because they can get sex at the drop of a hat, literally whenever they want.

women dont have to fathom your sorry life, dear. its not our problem. and, btw, women do can get sex on command but do we really want every male that comes our way? no, we dont.

This leads to a whole host of problems in society - higher crime rates (including rape), prostitution, sexual harassment, the wide prevalence of porn etc. Addiction to things like alcohol, drugs and gambling are almost exclusively male problems, largely because their sex drives were never fulfilled - so they use these things as coping mechanisms.

no, male inherent nature is the problem, not lack of sex. males are the most violent creatures on the planet.

But is it really all a bad thing? For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things. They build civilizations, invent things, build businesses, create art, create new technologies, take up sport (thus providing us with entertainment) etc. Beta bluepill men are responsible for being cogs in the wheel to make society run effectively. They focus their energies on their careers, because they believe that is the pathway to sex. Everywhere you look, society is filled with things that help men cope with their lack of sex.

are they the pillars of society, really? i mean, what have you contributed to the world? hmm.

ScootsScoots · 2019-03-02T14:19:35+00:00

Worse off. It would have the blue ribbon effect. Everybody is a winner without earning it.

Some men simply dont deserve sex because they cant figure out a game that is easy to win. Fuck em. Or actually, dont lol

Spiritofthemountain · 2019-03-09T02:37:11+00:00

Definitely. Why is this even a question? Men with wives and children are motivated to improve society. Men who aren't getting anything in return for their hard work are not.

MrHerbSherman · 2019-02-27T17:44:04+00:00

But is it really all a bad thing? For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things. They build civilizations, invent things, build businesses, create art, create new technologies, take up sport (thus providing us with entertainment) etc. Beta bluepill men are responsible for being cogs in the wheel to make society run effectively. They focus their energies on their careers, because they believe that is the pathway to sex. Everywhere you look, society is filled with things that help men cope with their lack of sex.

If you accept the premises set forth in this paragraph, isn’t society better organized as a patriarchy rather than being sexually liberated?

mgtownigga · 2019-02-27T19:10:55+00:00

I think it's generally a bad thing to have a large amount of maladjusted men, whatever the reasons. A common attribute of men that join radicalized groups, gangs, or engage in other anti social behaviors and violence is a lack of community and/or sexual frustration. I don't think I need to spell out the problems that this has caused society, past and present.

So yeah, considering sex is on the hiearchy of needs and most people are not good at living a normal life without it, i'd say society would be healthier as a whole. I certainly don't think people would be joining ISIS or other radicalized groups at the rates they are

SeemedGood · 2019-02-27T19:41:38+00:00

Not sure it’s correct to say that male sex drive is “higher” than female sex dive, rather than to say that male sexual attraction is more evenly distributed among women than women’s is among men.

Women have intensely strong sex drives, they’re just directed at a very small percentage of men, and much more discreetly executed upon. As a result, we tend to believe that women have a “lower” sex drive, when in fact it’s execution is simply less observable.

Make no mistake, for every 19 men to whom women grant access to sex only rarely there is one who is constantly getting offered all of that access the others are missing - and fulfilling the offers.

des_heren_balscheren · 2019-02-27T21:36:26+00:00

It's commonly known that male sex drive is far higher than female sex drive. This leads to what is known as a "male sexual deficit" in society - in other words, male demand for sex far outweighs the supply that females are prepared to give. There have been many research papers carried out on this, most notably this one by Catherine Hakim: http://www.catherinehakim.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2015-IntSoc-MaleSexualDeficit.pdf

Sucks to be weak-minded and brainwashed into thinking that "sexual orientations" exist because religions brainwashed you into it then.

The Greeks didn't have this problem eh because they lived before Abrahamic religions took a hold.

There's no rule outside of Chechnya that you need to rely on females to provide you with sex but of course then you'd actually have to have a mind that's strong enough to reject the brainwashing that is "sexual orientations" and "gender identity" and just do what feels right rather than what society tells you to do.

I've heard that the bottom 50% of men in society are completely sexless.

Wot?

You heard wrong.

https://flowingdata.com/2017/11/01/who-is-married-by-now/

Unless you believe sexless marriages are super common—and these are just the ones that are married, many who aren't married of course also have sex.

Women cannot even fathom how this is possible, because they can get sex at the drop of a hat, literally whenever they want.

anyone can get sex at the drop of a hat of "the average male"; this has nothing to do with your own sex. Society has just successfully brainwashed you into a formulaic pattern of thinking the persons one must get sex from have to be opposite sex.

poppy_blu · 2019-02-28T01:27:51+00:00

Soooo much cognitive dissonace.

If lack of sex “leads to a whole host of societal problems,” and “50% of men are incels,” why hasn’t the developed world descended into chaos yet?

LeJacquelope · 2019-02-27T22:20:45+00:00

LOL according to bloopers and male feminists it would mean the end of the world because men need to bear the world on our backs and without the promise of sex with women we will give up and everything will fall apart.

To them I say... bring the giant meteor.

[deleted] · 2019-02-27T18:20:31+00:00

I've heard that the bottom 50% of men in society are completely sexless. Women cannot even fathom how this is possible, because they can get sex at the drop of a hat, literally whenever they want.

Not so much, it is only the bottom 13% who are completely sexless. It can get to 50% if you mean having less sex than once a month tho.

But is it really all a bad thing? For many men not getting sex, they divert their energies to great things. They build civilizations, invent things, build businesses, create art, create new technologies, take up sport (thus providing us with entertainment) etc. Beta bluepill men are responsible for being cogs in the wheel to make society run effectively. They focus their energies on their careers, because they believe that is the pathway to sex. Everywhere you look, society is filled with things that help men cope with their lack of sex.

It is not bad per see. But it is suffering. Like for example, many suffer today for not getting enough wage so they have everything they want, but it is not bad, as this makes them work for achieving it.

Many Of the TBP sub cannot understand that TRP is not about having all men increase their value, it is about having less suffering. You can get a happier life if you follow some parts of TRP. You, by no means, need to become an alpha because you took the red pill. It is just a tool to be happier. If your goal is to have sex get going. After all being a beta is a sexually valid strategy, just not exactly gets you lots of it or long term things. You need to sprinkle red in that blue sea.

The best and worst things about society are all down to the male sexual deficit.

Yes we know. But it creates suffering, which TRP is trying to mitigate, not get rid of it.

Also, not everyone is made to be an alpha. I was for some years. I hated every second after I got in the top. You see, if you doesn't have an natural inclination to only wanting sex in life, being a alpha is a pain in the arse. Women are crazy, social interaction is torture and keeping your value high is an uphillbattle. Do as you will, you suffer. That is why sooner or later all alphas become betas or avoid the sexual market altogether. You will inevitably want something different.

But good post.

meeselbon573 · 2019-02-27T18:49:10+00:00

Cogent analysis. Personally, I think that it is callous to write off the anguish of rejected men with the hope that maybe it motivates them to do positive things. But otherwise on-point.

carrawayjames · 2019-02-28T16:24:56+00:00

Yeah it sucks. When I bring this conversation up to people they are so clueless in the head and they realize how the real world actually works. I'm hearing too many people say " There's an equal amount of males and females" so there is someone for everyone.

So you're basically telling me almost every time somebody is hooking up with someone else is because they are only single humans around?

Title	Would society be better or worse off if every male was getting as much sex as he wanted?
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Date	February 27, 2019 3:57 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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