your thoughts on the mgtow movement?

risdeveau · 2022-10-05T06:49:14+00:00

Any man who must declare he is going his own way is not truly going his own way

Especially if all he does is bitch about bitches

SolidPuzzleheaded984 · 2022-10-05T07:25:47+00:00

I don’t think successful men or women in general care.

Because the guys that are into that stuff are usually low value guys that have no sex lives.

Do you think a guy that gets laid a ton and has a great social life actually cares about this and cares about “showing them”?

They don’t. Because they are too busy getting laid and having fun.

Creation_Soul · 2022-10-05T06:59:20+00:00

In theory, MGTOW would be a good community; in practice they are still obsessed over women. When the mgtow sub was still unbanned, if you went to the front page, more than half of it was filled with posts bitching about women.

Basically, MGTOW is a revolving door of angry men; those who get past this anger phase usually leave the community because it's not health for the psyche.

bunnakay · 2022-10-05T15:00:53+00:00

They have "You can't fire me, I quit!" energy, so it's hard to take them seriously. I know women who "go their own way" and they turn down any offers related to sex and dating. I'm not sure these men would do the same.

gofigure62 · 2022-10-05T14:14:17+00:00

I stumbled across the original MGTOW when I was a kid in the early or 2000's. The movement had absolutely nothing to do with women and was more about rejecting social norms/expectations while encouraging men to live a quality life focused on their individual best interests. The message really resonated me and I'd say it shaped a significant amount of my development as a young girl.

IDK when or how, but eventually bitter men started invading these spaces and the quality discussions regarding individuality and personal fulfillment were gone. Everything was about divorce, not being able to get get women, and just constant complaints about women. Now MGTOW is supposed to mean, men forgoing heterosexual relationships with women. Yet these men complain about women 24/7.

They say that they're "done" with woman, yet every conversation they have is about women's dating expectations, Ugly fat women on dating apps having the "nerve" to want a romantic relationship instead of just casual sex, and general complaints about women over all.

MGTOW now isn't even a shadow of what it used to be. It has absolute nothing from the original concept and I think it's terrible that the original MGTOW doesn't exist anymore.

Call me a "crazy" conspiracy nut, but I believe it was infiltrated on purpose with mentally unstable men to discourage men from stepping out of the capitalist machine. Before the women hating nutters took over, I noticed an uptick of threads asking how "realistic" it was to not work a corporate job and to not prioritize marriage and children. There were many campaigns to try to "reason" with the community about the importance of assimilation before the "I hate my ex wife" threads started. I also remember mods banning and kicking those guys out of the community because their relationships weren't relevant to the MGTOW movement. Then it's like a switch flipped overnight and every message board and website was just filled with bitter divorcees complaining about their ex-wives and inability to date post divorce.

I think the original MGTOW was important because it gave men the confidence and motivation to live for themselves and to not be indoctrinated by suppressive social expectations that often leaves men soulless. It's sad IMO that Jordan Peterson is the successor in Male motivation these days compared to the lessons of the original MGTOW. I find it funny that repacked "get back to work and breed bozo" is the "message" that men find empowering these days. It's sad to see.

I wish I could get an update from the men that followed the original MGTOW from the early to mid 2000's and see how they're doing now.

chalkandapples · 2022-10-05T07:09:36+00:00

I absolutely love mgtow as an idea. Girls get to hear things like "you don't need a guy to be happy" all the time. While there are also mixed messages of how much you do need a guy etc. etc., and romantic love is more important to some people than others, and it's good to at least hear messages from multiple perspectives so you can see which one click with you. It's good just knowing there are multiple paths in life.

I think men do need SOME voice telling them it's ok to not be partnered up, and not stake all their value and self confidence on what women thinks of them. But the direction most mgtow men takes this is to insult and belittle women, others actively try to hurt women by lying and taking advantage of them. I would love a version of mgtow that is more about lifting men up rather than putting women down. But as it stands, the movement feels very negative and mean. It feels less like men going their own way, and more like men are still here but deciding to give women negative romantic attention instead of positive.

It's ok to want to leave the dating pool, you don't need any reasons or justifications. Women do it all the time, and men can do it too without having to announce it or make a big deal out of it.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-10-05T09:16:20+00:00

I think this would be great for men mentally if they actually WENT their own fucking way.

It’s like the keep coming back to say “I’m really going now! You can’t stop me”

And we reply “that’s great, have fun”

“You’ll never stop me! I’m going to be MY OWN MAN”

“Yip, that’s great”

“A Man who doesn’t need you! And you’ll never see me again”

“Ok, that’s fine bye then”

“Your going to regret this when you see how independent and amazing I’m going to be”

“Doubt it but wish you the best anyway”

“I’m really really going now! This is your last chance to stop me!”

“Not going to stop you, goodbye and take care”

“You women are soo going to regret losing me”

“Again I don’t think so, do you need me to hold the door or something you seem to be taking a long time leaving”

GloryToChadlantis · 2022-10-05T05:33:23+00:00

I think it’s interesting idea in premise - but every mgtow dude I’ve ever talked to has been a right prick

januaryphilosopher · 2022-10-05T09:35:54+00:00

Seems paranoid but whatever, it's their own choice. Would be great if they actually went their own way and left women alone instead of obsessing over them.

social_mule · 2022-10-05T16:49:54+00:00

Here we go...another mgtow post where everyone except actual mgtow men chime in with their expertise. r/mgtow and r/mgtow2 no longer exist as subreddits and by my count only a handful of men on this sub self identify as mgtow...and none of them (us) go on and on and on and on and on about women. We chime in but no more or no less than any other users of any other pill or ideology. But the narrative continues to go something like this.....

MGTOW sounds great as a philosophy but I sure wish mgtow men actually would go their own way instead of obsessing over women 25 hours a day 8 days a week. They didn't go their own way, they were sent their own way and use this as a defense mechanism to protect their own egos. They're socially awkward incels in denial with small dick energy, autism and ingrown toenails. Bla bla bla, yada yada yada.

And then they commence to ignore any concrete examples of any mgtow men who deviate from their narrative. Lather, rinse and repeat until the n count, Chad, online dating, mgtow discussion circle makes another rotation.

This describes my mgtow life and my thoughts on mgtow are positive. As a lifestyle it reduces a lot of unnecessary stress.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2022-10-05T18:29:33+00:00

They can of they want

They just don't. All they do is complain about women and scream about societal collapse because wahmen bad.

Go your own way already. please

trolltaskforce · 2022-10-05T05:39:45+00:00

Half the so called “mgtow” are incels in denial, and most the rest are divorced boomers. Very rarely is a young person going to go mgtow if women are actually chasing him. The few young actual mgtow are probably not NT and can divorce their thinking from their impulse and emotions.

Ok-Map-7596 · 2022-10-05T05:49:37+00:00

Women win most of the time in child custody cases

The reason men don't get custody of their kids is because they do not apply for it, do not fill out motions for it and do not show up to court for it.

If you get blamed for rape, you're probably fucked for lack of a better term.

Avoiding an entire gender because of one of the least reported crimes is well...pretty neurotic.

2022-10-05T09:39:42+00:00

I looked at the you tube for a short time. The lighting is terrible.

Freevoulous · 2022-10-05T13:11:12+00:00

I fully support MGTOW, if not for the fact that they are mostlly talk and no action. There is a twofold problem with MGTOW:

- men who only pretend to GTOW but don't do anything substantial with their lives, just turn into bitter incels and crave womens' attention all the more

- men who actually GTOW and substantially improve their lives because of it, often become attractive to women, and are tempted to fall back into society approved roles.

It only makes sense of the man GTOW and their Way is toward Career, money, Gym, learning, travelling, exploring the world, making friends, becoming smarter, stronger and happier, while not getting lured back into society and into LTR.

If their Way they go to is sitting in their room, bitter, fat, lonely and poor, they its for nothing.

The9thElement · 2022-10-05T13:43:27+00:00

They need to actually go their own way, like 99.9% of their content is complaining about women or the dating world. Not very mgtow to me.

tinasnow-poty · 2022-10-05T15:12:12+00:00

If it makes them happy more power to em

InfamousBake1859 · 2022-10-05T17:52:02+00:00

We don’t care about men who are in the MGTOW.

But most men aren’t in the MGTOW. They are still harassing us and take every opportunity to say rude things to us. If y’all wanna go your own way, go. Stop being so mad at us. Shows me that you aren’t free of us.

LetSuitable5665 · 2022-10-05T19:58:28+00:00

MGTOW wouldn’t be controversial if they stopped obsessing over women.

BeepBeepSaysTheJeep · 2022-10-05T12:24:36+00:00

They'd be fine if they just went their own way and shut up about it, but they're still creepily obsessed with us.

OrdinaryFarmer · 2022-10-05T05:46:28+00:00

Saves a shit load of money.

No wife, no kids, no problems.

Teflon08191 · 2022-10-05T06:59:31+00:00

MGTOW at its core is about men learning how to be pragmatic with the one thing they tend to have the most difficulty being pragmatic about - women.

Which in this day and age, is a very prudent thing for men to learn how to do.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-10-05T10:56:51+00:00

As an MGTOW myself I think it's a positive movement.

At it's core it's a good thing for men as it promotes freedom and independance from society constructs such as relationships, marriage and kids.

Unfortunately there's a lot of women hating but that doesn't represent all MGTOW's.

I've been walking my own path for nearly ten years now and have found my life has greatly improved in that time. If I ever want a sexual fix I'll see an escort. Works for me.

StrongDonger · 2022-10-05T07:22:53+00:00

Its a great idea, just a community of people searching for a fulfilling pursuit outside of tradition romantic norms. I believe the idea fell victim to radicalization and passed the point of no return long before the sub flew into my radar.

Gtedx · 2022-10-05T12:16:29+00:00

I hope more men join it. More women for me!

KayRay1994 · 2022-10-05T13:49:15+00:00

MGTOW is simply an excuse to bag on women and be bitter under the guise of going their own way…. you don’t need a movement to say you’re going your own way, its just a catchy name

abaxeron · 2022-10-05T15:50:53+00:00

MGTOW is a disappointment.

It's been 174 years since women declared war on marriage. It took men this long to react. Better late than never I suppose, but still.

delight-n-angers · 2022-10-05T17:31:08+00:00

men who subscribe to MGTOW are just telling on themselves. They're blaming women for all of their problems, refusing to take accountability for their words and actions, and essentially taking their ball and going home. I really don't care if men like that want to extricate themselves from the dating and gene pool.

I just wish they would actually go their own way and leave the rest of us the fuck alone. Bitching about how and why they're going their own way is pointless, irritating, and stupid.

HeartCatchHana · 2022-10-05T18:28:36+00:00

They claim they are going their own way but they keep talking about women.

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-10-06T04:26:15+00:00

I completely agree with the overall message of this post. Mgtow is only good short-term. Like if you're going to become an mgtow monk to work on yourself and do everything in your power to reach the zenith of masculine excellence and become the best greatest most awesome, badass version of yourself then I'm definitely on board with that. But mgtow long-term is garbage pure and other trash. Everybody has the right to live their life the way they want to and to each one's own but mgtow is like a lot of incels. Long-term it's a loser defeatist failure encouraging doom pill black pill mentality. A lot of these guys in this movement want to completely dissociate and separate themselves away from women as if they never get horny. They are effectively giving up on having gorgeous women. I mean yes tons of today's women are extremely shitty and toxic having been poisoned by feminism and adopting a victim mindset and hating men and do horrible things to men for fun. But I wholeheartedly believe in NAWALT. In today's day and age you absolutely most definitely have to vet women completely in the most intelligent ways possible don't just give up. To do that would be to miss out on a whole lot of fun. Like I said mgtow is great short-term but it's the complete opposite long-term. Long-term adjust reinforces and encourages an extremely pessimistic mindset and mentality about women in general which is very unhealthy and borderline if not completely misogynistic. Short-term mgotw is like the free agent lifestyle where if you have nothing but failures with women you focus on your purpose you work on yourself develop yourself become the best version of yourself become the greatest version of yourself.

Xenoblade2016 · 2022-11-30T22:39:26+00:00

The majority are guys who have decided the dating landscape is so awful they'd rather stay single and enjoy the fruits of any labour in peace and tranquility. They want to indulge hobbies and interests and enjoy life without drama and being continually told how awful they are because they have a junk.

There are of course some extremists and crazies as there is in every walk of life, but the core of it is that women have become so entitled and unpleasant to be around or in relationships with that the effort involved to even get a date let alone a relationship just isn't worth it.

What then happens is they try shaming, so guys get called incels or mysogynistic for wanting to be single, whereas if a woman decides to go it alone she's strong and independent and empowered.

It boils down to shining a light on the reality and double standards of the dating market so more and more guys are knowing their worth and don't accept being crapped on.

And by not accepting being treated like garbage, and if the choice is being treated like dirt or being single they are choosing to be single.

mrcs84usn · 2022-10-05T05:37:34+00:00

I remember listening to a debate between Turd Flinging Monkey, Rollo, Donovan Sharpe, and [I think] Richard Cooper, and TFM definitely dominated the debate. One of the bigger takeaways was that you can’t alpha your way through the court system.

Most women don’t know shit about how much they can ruin a man’s life through “Administrative Violence” (shout out to Terrance Popp), but the fact that the system is very much set up for women to do just that is enough to turn men off from dating, and minimizing their interactions with women altogether.

I generally don’t care for most MGTOW because it’s a lot of “SEE THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE? Here’s reason number 127462618 why women are shit, and you should just go your own way.” After a while, it get depressing. I still follow a couple creators, but specifically the ones that know how to do more than bitch about women.

Swaggy_Mcswagson · 2022-10-05T15:41:33+00:00

I found MGTOW/ redpoll content first back when I was 16. Learning all I can about hypergamy and female nature and why I’m not attractive enough and how to be or how to live a happy life alone if that’s not possible.reading/watching all the horror stories of dating and relationships and seeing a few friends’ put me off from really getting into the game. I’m 25 and still follow MGTOW. I’ve accepted I’m meant to lead a life alone and women outside out my mom (who I love and was the one person always there) women aren’t in my life outside of professional settings.

greyok_ · 2022-10-05T05:28:02+00:00

I think it's good men are wising up but sucks that was their only option, and women haven't changed because of it.

You still see feminists ranting about patriarchial oppression and what not, and any attractive woman literally whoring themselves for cash, forcing guys to become pay pigs for what should be normal and consensual. Instead, relationships and sex have become a business transaction, forcing men to work for women in exchange.

The whole thing is sickening. I plan on moving to another country and finding a more conservative-minded woman who actually wants a man, not just a wallet. At least the sex is cheaper if I don't find her.

PepperEnthusiast · 2022-10-05T06:00:30+00:00

I am mgtow with interests only in FWB relationships by this point and the biggest issue with mgtow is that most men didn't go their own way willingly but they were sent on their way by women rejecting them.

I agree woth you that not every woman is capable of doing said bad things but a large majority do and those are risks that are not worth it for a glorified prostitutionesque relationship.

2022-10-05T06:23:29+00:00

The movement isn't entirely BS. Everyone has their own motives and people do try to use any movement for their gain. A few bad apples can be found everywhere. It's more than just about getting divorce raped.

I am not going to throw statistics but talk from my own personal experience. Most guys are in the average category and to get even a decent match they have to work their asses off. Even after that the sex life can be very shitty and in most cases has ceased to exist. Many with non-conservative mindset find it best to not enter that relationship market altogether rather than doing the work and not getting what they wanted.

Sure incels are a part of the movement, but I think the word itself is being misused these days. I agree with the definition but not with everything that is associated with that word in recent times. One can be an incel and not have resentment/hate towards women.

Lost-Zebra6453 · 2022-10-05T10:41:52+00:00

Have men here not heard of De facto relationships lol

Not getting married isn’t going to Stop you from being “divorced raped”

If you live with a woman or have children you can be heals to the same standard of a married couple in family court.

Either way the only time someone will have to Really divide assets is if one Party had to or agreed to give up work to raise kids. You don’t just lose your money or assets from marriage. Courts only give women stuff id they weren’t working in a relationship while you did.

Don’t want that? Have a partner who values working and who can support herself without you

fruitycoolwhip · 2022-10-05T11:31:02+00:00

If that’s what they want to do then fine. Seems very shallow and empty. If you’re not getting any love or affection but you want to, i think it’d be more fulfilling to try to grow as a person and see if you can get some rather than just giving up on it altogether.

At the end of the day at least the challenge to grow gives you something to do, even if you never actually end up receiving any love or affection

2022-10-05T15:24:34+00:00

> Men get divorce raped

less then 10% of marriages end in alimony for either gender.

darkmauveshore · 2022-10-05T05:35:31+00:00

Uh oh, don't talk about MGTOW around here. MGTOW and MGTOW2 were both forums that were banned from Reddit. Super sus cringe ppl don't like it when you bring up stuff like those inconvenient truths like women initiate 80% or divorce, always win in court and can basically say rape and the guy goes to jail.

Internal-Magician-57 · 2022-10-05T05:20:53+00:00

Every man can be divorce raped.

EasternToe3824 · 2022-10-05T13:13:27+00:00

MGTOW has a highly individualistic component to it, since it does not tell you were you go to just what you go away from. This makes it very hard to point any criticism at it that goes beyond criticizing basic red pill ideas.

MRA’s argue to change the rules, red pillers play the game as it is, black pillers stand in the corner and muse how unfair the game is and MGTOW have left the gaming table and do something else.

twisty286 · 2022-11-02T03:01:30+00:00

so women go their own way is okay but mgtow isn't okay? fuck off we didn't ask for your permission, we'll do whatever we want. stay out of mens issues

Iam_better_than_most · 2022-10-05T07:08:11+00:00

The other day I told my mother, "Never pressure me to get married. Ever."

She asked why! I said, "Don't you know modern women? And how they behave?"

And she was like,"Can't you even find one good woman who is compatible with you?"

I said, "The fact that you have to say it like, " Can't you even find one good woman" says everything one needs to know about the majority of women."

She was speechless. I won the argument.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-10-05T12:35:35+00:00

I wouldn't ever refuse to participate in the sexual marketplace, but I would refuse commitment to any woman (if I thought marriage wasn't worth it)

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dbz19_kai · 2022-10-05T08:59:27+00:00

I think there’s two types of MGTOW:

One is for asexuals. If you really want no sexual satisfaction and desire none.

The other is just not giving a shit about women anymore but still being open to relationships or sex should the opportunity present itself.

I think both are fine.

I think lots of HVM focus on themselves first. They focus on better their looks, body career. Finances. How to be a alpha male and sun at life.

Without seeking women actively, this on its own draws women to them

2022-10-05T13:55:13+00:00

MGTOW is part of the hateful aspect of the single positivity movement which is a terrible movement in my opinion. To me it's like the lesbian separatist movement which doesn't actually resolve the root issue. Single positivity is the same it's a rejection to actually resolve the underlying issues we face relating to dating. The issues are complicated and hard to explain here but I do want to cover another aspect of this single positive movement. According to single positivity society viewed single people as inferior to couples and they want to change that which is fine but the thing is being single shouldn't be positive thing not should it define us as individuals. We are more than our relationship status, our hobbies, interests, goals aren't dependent on us being single (sure some are) we can still enjoy them and achieve them in a relationship. You can be happy with those things even with a single status but It's ok to feel lonely and romantic relationship most humans want that, I would even say being in a relationship is better than being single for those who want romance and that's fine. Instead society ought to actually create better individuals who can form and maintain healthy relationships. MGTOW and the single positivity movement doesn't want to do that though in the case of MGTOW they just hate women which isn't productive in my opinion.

2022-10-05T15:35:48+00:00

Most of them are just neck beards who wakes away from nothing

carritotaquito · 2022-10-05T16:10:11+00:00

MGTOW should be called:

M... /en

G... /etting

T... /riggered

O... /over

W... /omen

 ________

If those gents TRULY claim they're going their own way, why they spend so much time nagging over women?! They're worse than atheists that complain over religion every other second!!!!

NorthernTaste · 2022-10-05T16:25:00+00:00

In a word, whiners. Most Bachelors I know don’t make a big deal out of being perpetually single

CatchPhraze · 2022-10-05T16:27:14+00:00

Anyone who likens losing money to rape is already basically coming at a "people are property" mindset, or at least one too adjacent to have a reasonable conversation with.

So in short, men deciding they don't want to participate in traditional gender dynamics? Cool. Live your best life.

Mgtow clown shit? Boo.

No_Reflection_798 · 2022-10-05T16:40:10+00:00

I hate being that "ackshully" guy, but I do want to temper your definition a little bit. MGTOW is a large community of men who, as the name states, have gone their own way. But, there are many different reasons for a large group of men to individually make this decision. In some cases, yes, it is out of anger, despair, and destitution. However, for a lot of men (myself included), we weren't necessarily hurt by anyone in particular. I would say that, after experiencing the marketplace for a long time, we're disappointed. With "meh" in our hearts, we decide that there are better things to do with our resources - and we start doing them.

We're not unavailable for a relationship. We're very available. And we're very mature and experienced with life. We just are not going to proactively spend the resources to seek one out. And, we are going to vet more wisely.

penguintransformer · 2022-10-05T17:12:51+00:00

I wish those particular men would really go their own way and get off dating apps.

dottywine · 2022-10-05T17:15:07+00:00

I would respect MGTOW if they actually discussed going their own way, but they typically just make fun of women existing while at the same time lamenting that they want to sleep with them. It's yet another community of men defining themselves by the opposite sex and being mad about it.

Any-Bottle-4910 · 2022-10-05T17:24:47+00:00

MGTOW is kinda stupid in practice, but not in theory. When a relationship occurs, or more specifically if marriage and/or children happen, men have little to no agency, but tons of responsibility. Ex: you are both equally “at fault” for a pregnancy. She can choose whether she wants to be a parent or not. A man is reliant on her decision alone, and if she decides to be a parent, he is on the hook for it financially unless he wants to hide under a rock forever.
Once the baby is born, she doesn’t have to put his name on the birth certificate. Her choice. Him? No choice.
If he’s on the BC, she can decide custody in practice, as virtually nothing will alter the state’s common-practice decision to award her custody. That also means he pays more, though he has functionally no say in the matter.
Is she a drug addict? Doesn’t matter. It’s hers, not his, apart from paying for things. I’ve watched this one play out with a good friend. It took half his retirement to get custody of a child she abandoned long ago.
Let’s say that child wants to go to an Ivy League university, but the man can’t afford it. Tough, he’s got to pony up. Etc etc etc.
The only way out of any of this is to hide from the law and society in general. If she wants to pursue him, she can find his address and get him arrested. It’s good in theory, but not so great in practice. I watched my wife ruin this dipshit’s life for years. He was too poor to pay, too drunk to be reliable, and the kids had a stable and prosperous home with us… didn’t matter. She wrecked his ability to earn a legit living. He’s still out there on a suspended license with a bench warrant, and we never saw a dime. Just let him go. He wasn’t there to begin with.

Can he not pay his share? Jail time and a suspended license. Can she not pay hers? No problem, the state has programs to supplement her.

Divorce is another funny one. Alimony may be getting rarer, but it’s almost all men paying when it does occur. Also, even without alimony you will be handing over half the assets even if she hasn’t contributed a dime. More than half if she has.

You can say this isn’t the case all you’d like, but so many of us have watched this play out time and time again in our own lives and those of the men we know.

We love our wives, but the system makes us fear them, because it grants them agency at the expense of our own.

Bekiala · 2022-10-05T17:53:35+00:00

I suppose I am a WGTOW and I am this way as I don't think I would be a good partner. There are probably men like me who don't want to inflict themselves on someone.

RocinanteCoffee · 2022-10-05T18:09:23+00:00

Definitely I think the fundamentals of MGTOW are great. If someone needs to work through their trauma of a bad divorce or needs to work through their trauma of being raped they should get therapy and work on self-improvement before they are ready to date.

If someone has spent a lot of time dating and is fed up, taking a breather (for the now or for the forever is a good thing) and it removes a lot of stress and resentment spilling over into the dating apps and the dating world, and it leaves better odds for the men who are in a position where they still want to date.

But I think there need to be more legitimate MGTOW communities showcasing and promoting the positives of this movement (solitude, independence, self-improvement, finding fulfillment without dating) as too many of the ones online don't focus on going their own way at all, but instead are obsessed with negative generalizations about women and men instead of finding their own paths and other subjects to entertain their minds with.

wrongerdonger · 2022-10-05T18:19:50+00:00

I think a majority of those men all say they have been ‘abused’ by women in the past. Maybe it would help to tell young men that hey if this person is making me feel bad then I do not have to take it and can leave that person. I think its just toxic people who are bitter and butthurt at the ‘hand’ they were dealt.

ejdhdhdff · 2022-10-05T20:04:40+00:00

I have no issue with anyone wanting to go their own way. But when men or women start blaming the other gender or spewing hatred…I check out mentally.

RIPBernieSanders1 · 2022-10-05T22:09:56+00:00

MGTOW are the most women-obsessed people I've ever encountered. And they're apparently "going their own way" away from women. And yet they seem more obsessed about it than ever.

JumboJetz · 2022-10-06T02:56:03+00:00

I desperately want MGTOW to actually take off because there are wayyy more men who want women than women looking for a relationship or sex. So a successful MGTOW might finally level the playing field a tiny bit.

2022-10-06T06:11:59+00:00

MGTOW is pretty much for men that are one step above incel. They’re the men that are hurt by hypergamy but not so bad that they can’t get laid at all. They’re the men that lower value women (yes, they also exist) try to go for. Part of me wants to say “you’re not entitled to date women you find attractive if it’s not mutual”, but they are entitled to refrain from dating altogether.

zedbrutal · 2022-10-11T21:16:29+00:00

There used to be two MGTOW subreddits. The first was straight up fem bashing from men who just broke up. The second MGTOW2 was an actual legit going there own way subreddit. Both got banned. I actually follow the WGTOW on Reddit which was like MGTOW2 and wasn’t banned. It’s a legit strategy for people who don’t want to date or limit their interaction with the opposite sex.

Kyubb · 2022-10-13T01:17:19+00:00

mgtow is necessary... for us, and for them realizing their bs
statistic say by the end of 2030 60% of women will be alone and miserably

Wooden_Ad_2591 · 2022-10-14T17:23:41+00:00

I feel like there's 2 versions of MGTOW. 1st version is incels that are mad at the world and take it out on women. 2nd is guys that genuinely just don't want to participate in the traditional dating/ relationship world and want to focus on themselves.

Obviously the 1st version is very suboptimal but the 2nd version is just a way of living. I'm currently in a relationship but don't want to be(ending it soon). I don't hate women. IME my life is just much more enjoyable when I'm single/ fully independent.

classicliberal1 · 2022-10-18T05:12:56+00:00

mgtow is not a movement. You can't have a movement of people going their own way. A movement, by definition, is everyone going in one direction. That's kind of the entire point of a movement.

r/mgtow was never mgtow. It was a reddit sub. The way reddit works is that whoever registers a sub name first becomes the moderator and sets the tone of the sub. Just because r/mgtow had the mgtow name does not mean they defined what mgtow is. There were plenty of other mgtow discussions and videos both on and off reddit.

mgtow is a loose set of philosophies that have one principle in common: never legally, financially, or emotionally commit to a woman. That's it. That's all mgtow itself is. It's a rejection of commitment.

The vast majority of men who are mgtow never even heard of the acronym. The acronym is about 15 years old, but the concepts go back to antiquity. Previous generations would call mgtow "confirmed bachelors" or something to that effect.

The heyday of mgtow was between 2008 and 2016 when all the theoretical discussions about sexual relations and evolutionary psychology were done. Since then, there has been basically no content other than a few YouTube channels repeating the same tired talking points ad nauseam.

When you get down to it, mgtow is just a reaction to how toxic male-female relations and marriage have become. It's the tip of the iceberg, but because it's the only visible part, it's used as a scapegoat. The marriage rate has plummeted while the divorce rate remains at 50%. Mgtow did not cause this. At worst, mgtowers just reported on this bleak reality. And for that, they are branded misogynists.

misogynist is the new ni$$er. It's a label whose sole purpose is to dehumanize people and poison the well. Calling someone a misogynist is the modern way of calling someone a ni$$er. This is how evil works.

Whether you agree with any of the mgtow philosophies or not is irrelevant. Because of the Internet, men can and will talk about issues they face. Whether they use the mgtow tag or not, the discussions and conclusions they reach will be the same. If you want men to come back to the idea of marriage and commitment, you'd have to drastically change the conditions of the dating/mating/marriage market and the courts. However, I think it's too late for at least for the Millenials and Zoomers. You've already lost two generations of men, whether they heard about mgtow or not.

Additional_Speech164 · 2022-10-22T19:59:58+00:00

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oushkul · 2022-10-24T17:59:00+00:00

You're all barking up the wrong tree. The visible MGTOW are in general the guys who are new to it. They have often suffered recent anguish and are venting their rage. This is commonly known as "Red pill rage" and can be toxic, but is a viable coping method for the recently affected.

These guys calm down and then move in one of two ways. They either can't handle the MGTOW idea and return to their previous life, basically going quiet on MGTOW forums, or, secondly, they move through the rage stage and just get on with their lives. These too tend to go quiet.

A few of both types stick around to share their unique stories with new guys coming in and the cycle starts again.

I would imagine that the vocal MGTOW are a small minority of the total men. Due to the popularity of MGTOW, unfortunately it had been infiltrated by a number of Incels, as as these guys rarely get over their issues, they are starting to mass in numbers under the MGTOW banner. They are relatively easy to spot and ignore but they do the MGTOW ideology few favours.

Personally, I am long term MGTOW and like to "drop by" once in a while to see how things are progressing.

ryuseiken2013 · 2022-12-16T09:51:56+00:00

Good in theory, bad in practice

They are just a bunch of sexist incels who spend the day bitching about women. I use to like mgtow youtube channels like "ARAKO TV", "MGTOW" and "The poir mans podcasr" but u start to notice a bad pattern, they hate the double standars that the society have agains nen.....but they encourage those against women.

Have you ever seen all the BS they consider a "red flag" about women? 1 if a woman have a high educational level =red flag. 2 if they earn more money than the men=red flag. 3 if they are in the university=red flag. 4 if they have male friends=red flag 5 if they are not submissive=red flag. Etc. And if you invert the gender in all of those cases they see them as good things 👀

They upload videos with tittles like "women get rejected/humbled" and they enjoy that but when the a men is rejected or humbled by a women they show it as a bad thing 🙄 I know that in some cases they show karens being idiots buy in the bast mayority of cases they just like to show women being humiliate.

They condemn every "bad" thing a woman do but justify every bad thing mens do.......they are just misogynistic incels.

Sorry for my bad english, its not my first language.

Successful-Bus1004 · 2022-12-19T17:24:29+00:00

It's how a culture that treats it's men like shit manifests itself. Feminism used to be an honorable cause but now it's become a toxic ideology where men are extremely undervalued and underappreciated. Media pushes the lie that makes men out to be evil power hunger abusers. Men are told they are not allowed to have standards or opinions. Women are seldom held to account for their mistakes while men are often put under a microscope for ever little action they take. Were shamed for being men. Family and divorce courts NEVER have our backs. If a mans wife cheats and he divorces her, he's almost always ordered to pay alimony. A terrible mother almost always get child support.Men are tired of being walked on and treated like they're expendable and this is what manifests when men have no advocacy on their behalf. Even still Feminists will be praised and called "brave" for their cause but MGTOW or MRA's will be belittled and called incels. The pendulum has swung too far into the other direction.

reptiliantroll · 2022-12-30T00:33:22+00:00

All the men who believe in MGTOW that I've talked to seem to think all women are not worth dating, which makes me think they live under a rock or don't try hard enough to socialize outside of meeting 10 people your entire life.

Title	your thoughts on the mgtow movement?
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