Admittedly, I haven't explored the subject enough to know as much as you seem to. I should point out though, that you're talking about the failings of specific schools of thought and suggesting that in order to even discuss the topic, I'm first required to rebut a 93 page document I've never seen in my life. Seems a bit much.
Is this actually a subject you're familiar with, or did you just google some opposing document?
Retarded used to be the proper term but now it's no longer correct. Before that, moron, idiot, and imbecile were all the correct and proper terms for people who were mentally disabled. They aren't now because language changes. MLK used the word Negro but if you used that now you'd get some different reactions. Political correctness isn't some new thing.
There is no reason a sexual orientation should require its own pronouns. "I only bang men I am emotionally attracted to" is not another gender (demisexual). It's just a choosy straight woman. But if you say that then how will the confused teens be able to claim that they are a victim of social injustices and be able to absolutely scream at people for being a sexist when they forgot to ask what pronoun snowflake uses?
if you believe you're of the other sex, go see a psychologist / psychiatrist.
haha that's exactly what we do. You have to spend months seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist before they will diagnose you with gender dysphoria, recommend transition and prescribe you hormone therapy.
You mean the research those shows the suicide rates drops massively compared to the pre transition suicide rate? (Not to the general population before you link that Swedish study that everyone like you relies on)
How do you feel about homosexuality? Strictly speaking males are supposed to have sex with females to produce offspring, but instead of calling it a mental illness, and trying to force people into that lifestyle we mostly just accept it these days, because really... who gives a fuck.
There are three different studies that put the post transition regret rate at less than 1%.
Here's the one I already linked you that I'm sure you didn't read which concluded that post transition the suicide rate drops massively and that 99% of those that commit suicide post transition do so because of hate, harassment and discrimination.
Nothing will satisfy him because he wants to believe in something he knows isn't true. He wants his hatred of trans people to be justified, so he will pretend trans people are mentally ill and ignore any factual arguments or links we send him, and to be perfectly honest we're wasting our time trying to reason with him. It's a shame, but it's life. I just fear for his kids, if they happen to be trans.
Yeah more studies are definitely needed but the ones done so far seem to paint a pretty clear picture for me, but I guess I'm a little biased in that regard. Anyway way to be sort of reasonable in the end, good talk.
Did you know that sex and gender are two completely different things? Yep. Gender is something you do, perform. It is socially constructed. Just think pink for girls... blue for boys. Sex is biological. This is not socially constructed however basically determines the way you are 'expected' to do gender within society.
3.8% of Americans are LGBT, according to the Williams Institute, 2011. 1.7 lesbian or gay; 1.8 bisexual; 0.3 transgendered.
That said, since the remaining 96.2% had their genders pegged correctly at birth... I'd say yes. That assertion was correct. Statistically, at least. We can make this about anecdotes if you like, though
You will only drive people further from being accepting of transgendered people by coming to a place like this and trying to change hearts and minds. Or at least you made me hate your cause, just with your language, regardless of how right you are?
Look up bill c-16 in Canada. It is now written in Canadian law that professors have to call students by their preferred pronouns. This is without counting that the vast majority of kindergarten and primary school teachers are deeply indoctrinated leftists, who are poisoning the youngest generation whether it is written in law or not.
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NSW is basically Australia
source: Lives in NSW
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That's sort of the point.
Feels > reals at a societal scale. Scary stuff.
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> complains about social sciences
> praises evolutionary psychology
Hilarious. 😂😂😂
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Admittedly, I haven't explored the subject enough to know as much as you seem to. I should point out though, that you're talking about the failings of specific schools of thought and suggesting that in order to even discuss the topic, I'm first required to rebut a 93 page document I've never seen in my life. Seems a bit much.
Is this actually a subject you're familiar with, or did you just google some opposing document?
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Huh, which sub is this? The only one I've run into is /r/GenderCritical and they're entirely against trans and anything other than male or female.
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Some people are lucky enough not to have it made a core part of your identity by social factors.
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No it doesn't, there are only 2 genders period.
Your either male or female, you can be gay / straight but between your legs is the defining point.
Do you have a penis ? Yes you're a male.
Do you have a vagina ? Yes you're a female.
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But they'll still think they're right about the issue and make sure to loudly voice their opinion about it.
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Retarded used to be the proper term but now it's no longer correct. Before that, moron, idiot, and imbecile were all the correct and proper terms for people who were mentally disabled. They aren't now because language changes. MLK used the word Negro but if you used that now you'd get some different reactions. Political correctness isn't some new thing.
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Yes, it's really not that uncommon for people to be born with ambiguous genitalia.
A quick google suggests it could be somewhere between 1 in 1500-10000 range
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Since alt right was banned a lot of its users have ended up here and in other similar subreddits.
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There is no reason a sexual orientation should require its own pronouns. "I only bang men I am emotionally attracted to" is not another gender (demisexual). It's just a choosy straight woman. But if you say that then how will the confused teens be able to claim that they are a victim of social injustices and be able to absolutely scream at people for being a sexist when they forgot to ask what pronoun snowflake uses?
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Have you read just a bit of scientific work before loudly voicing your opinion on the topic?
"Gender is a kind of imitation for which there is no original." - Judith Butler.
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haha that's exactly what we do. You have to spend months seeing a psychiatrist and a psychologist before they will diagnose you with gender dysphoria, recommend transition and prescribe you hormone therapy.
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You mean the research those shows the suicide rates drops massively compared to the pre transition suicide rate? (Not to the general population before you link that Swedish study that everyone like you relies on)
The remaining comparatively high suicide rate post transition is caused by discrimination, harassment, hate, rejection by family, friends and society, etc
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You are part of the problem, of course any transgeder person who happens to read this kind of vile shit every day is going to want to kill themselves.
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I don't need luck or biology on my side when no one can tell I'm trans ;)
Good luck with your hate filled existence.
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How do you feel about homosexuality? Strictly speaking males are supposed to have sex with females to produce offspring, but instead of calling it a mental illness, and trying to force people into that lifestyle we mostly just accept it these days, because really... who gives a fuck.
Why does it have to be any different with gender?
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I've been on hormone therapy for six years and I'm the happiest I've ever been.
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You can always research it yourself.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24872188
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15842032
http://www.amsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/CareOfThePatientUndergoingSRS.pdf
There are three different studies that put the post transition regret rate at less than 1%.
Here's the one I already linked you that I'm sure you didn't read which concluded that post transition the suicide rate drops massively and that 99% of those that commit suicide post transition do so because of hate, harassment and discrimination.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
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Nothing will satisfy him because he wants to believe in something he knows isn't true. He wants his hatred of trans people to be justified, so he will pretend trans people are mentally ill and ignore any factual arguments or links we send him, and to be perfectly honest we're wasting our time trying to reason with him. It's a shame, but it's life. I just fear for his kids, if they happen to be trans.
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I know. I am not trying to convince him I am trying to convince all the indifferent people who are lurking this discussion.
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Enjoy.
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Yeah more studies are definitely needed but the ones done so far seem to paint a pretty clear picture for me, but I guess I'm a little biased in that regard. Anyway way to be sort of reasonable in the end, good talk.
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Mental illness should not be encouraged. It should be treated.
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Did you know that sex and gender are two completely different things? Yep. Gender is something you do, perform. It is socially constructed. Just think pink for girls... blue for boys. Sex is biological. This is not socially constructed however basically determines the way you are 'expected' to do gender within society.
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Could you point me in the direction of that empirical data? Genuine request.
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3.8% of Americans are LGBT, according to the Williams Institute, 2011. 1.7 lesbian or gay; 1.8 bisexual; 0.3 transgendered.
That said, since the remaining 96.2% had their genders pegged correctly at birth... I'd say yes. That assertion was correct. Statistically, at least. We can make this about anecdotes if you like, though
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LMFAO, they really snookered you huh? I've got a bridge to sell you kiddo.
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Any psych 101 class will go over the difference.
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You will only drive people further from being accepting of transgendered people by coming to a place like this and trying to change hearts and minds. Or at least you made me hate your cause, just with your language, regardless of how right you are?
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/r/iamverysmart
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Are there countries that actually do that, though? Either way, good preemptive measure.
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Look up bill c-16 in Canada. It is now written in Canadian law that professors have to call students by their preferred pronouns. This is without counting that the vast majority of kindergarten and primary school teachers are deeply indoctrinated leftists, who are poisoning the youngest generation whether it is written in law or not.
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I fucking love my gay friends. My best friend is actually a lesbian with whom I celebrate Valentines tomorrow.
I'm not a fucking bigot just because I prefer facts over delusion.
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