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HillSong Pastor Carl Lentz' Lover

November 12, 2020
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You probably heard about the Pastor from Hillsong Carl Lentz' affair. This was his mistress talking: https://nypost.com/2020/11/10/celebrity-pastor-carl-lentzs-alleged-mistress-ranin-tells-all/

Couple things come to mind immediately:

  1. He was actively looking for trouble and he found it. He asked for her number knowing he was a married man. Even worse, he hid it in his phone to cover it up - right out of King David's playbook.
  2. He needed a woman for validation. “He’s a professional narcissist” she says. And a narcissist who needed constant validation from the church, celebrities and women.
  3. He's addiction to Dopamine. “He hadn’t been doing anything for so many months, he hadn’t been onstage, what else was going on in his life? He needed to do something that would excite him.” she said. This is the problem with men who are addiction to money, fame, social media, alcohol, drugs, working out, porn, texting or any other dopamine producing activity. Spending time with his wife of 17 years and 4 kids, or spreading the gospel wasn't enough to satisfy his dopamine addiction. Once Satan gets his hooks in you with dopamine, you need supernatural help with rehab.
  4. She had every intention of ruining his life and career. He had more to lose than she did, she had more to gain than him. She was calculating and manipulative from the beginning. After he left, she paid an app to do a background check based on his phone number. “Everything came out,” she said. “It hit me so hard.” Once she realized he was famous, she didn't care if he was fat and bald, the rush was the goal to own him and bring him down.
  5. He kept up the facade. During their 5 month long affair, he was still the perfect daddy, doting husband, and strong confident church leader. His wife's instagram and his own account is full of photos of his ministries and flowery, biblical language because even in the midst of horrendous sin, he kept playing the role he was taught to play.
  6. 1 year ago Pastor Carl and his wife had marital "issues" and decided to renew their rocky marriage with regular date nights, committing to spending more time together and other very good ideas that the self-help marriage books tell you to do. They even hosted a marriage conference where they mentioned their marriage growing distant and their efforts to make it better.

Takeaways: This didn't happen by accident and it wasn't a one time mistake. It didn't blindside him and come out of nowhere. This was a series of hundreds of small decisions over the last few years that culminated in a life-changing sin. Pride is the sin that tells us we need validation, Pride tells us we need excitement outside our mission to make disciples. Pride says their is nothing wrong with being friends with a women who is not your wife because you have self control and wont let it become sinful. And pride is what causes a man to act like a Godly leader on the outside while having an extramarital sexual relationship for 5 long months.

I hope Pastor Carl turns out like King David and repents and does wonderful things with his life. God uses sinful mistakes in people's lives for his glory.

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Title HillSong Pastor Carl Lentz' Lover
Author coachdad8
Upvotes 108
Comments 78
Date November 12, 2020 5:33 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]sliprymdgt17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Joe Rogan was openly mocking this guy a long time ago for showing off his "dick root" on the beach with his super cool swim trunks.

He's been in this spiritual place way before the affair it seems...

[–]NoFaithInThisSubMission-Minded2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Joe Rogan was openly mocking this guy a long time ago for showing off his "dick root" on the beach with his super cool swim trunks.

yes exactly. Hope he repents hard.

[–]ElUltimoLeon-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Joe Rogan says he wouldn’t care if his daughter did porn and cheats on his wife.

[–]sliprymdgt0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

O rly? Care to link source?

[–]lanierg710 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He also eats bugs, so there's that.

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Trapasaurus Rex 🦖 | Married 8y12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine considering anyone in leadership at Hillsong a Christian.

[–]RunawayGrain20 points21 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All I can say about Hillsong is that we have a local branch. They are in a sports league with our church, in which the home team is supposed to bring refreshments for halftime. The rest of the churches put on a good spread, or at least order plenty of pizza. Hillsong is known for not bringing food at all, or just having a box of peanut butter crackers and cups of water, while also being known for mopping up any extra at the other churches. There have been several complaints directly to their church body, but the behavior has continued. Some of the other churches are saying they won't be bringing food to the Hillsong games in the next season.

Maybe it's a bit petty, but it certainly doesn't speak much for them that they don't seem to care about public perception of their church.

[–]senorpunchline6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's so sad, which area is that in?

[–]RunawayGrain0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not keen on getting doxxed, but I will say it's in the middle of the U.S. east coast.

[–]The_EvilMidget10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are much too seeker friendly for me to take seriously

[–]laserdicks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's a bit petty

It hardy seems relevant

[–]NoFaithInThisSubMission-Minded6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

his wife was 10/10 in the looks department, or would have been 10yrs ago (to me anyway), so must be the younger woman thing in his celebrity life. Repent or perish.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Possibly, but there are cases were a wife thinks she is safe because her husband could never do better than her so she neglects him only to find him having an affair with a woman with much lower SMV. She mistakenly assumes men's base nature is hypergamy like her own instead of polygamy.

[–]blumpkinblake6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Celebrity pastor does non Christian thing?! No one is surprised. Whose next?

My bet is a famous worship leader comes out as gay.

[–]youred230 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Phil whickem

[–]ebake0060 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

no way! he’s the man

[–]youred230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha I know people that have performed with him and they said he’s a diva for sure. Also. It sure how he wears such tight pants and gets them on

[–]Medical_Turing_Test0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kirk Franklin

[–]SpoutingThomas11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Matthew 23:5-12

But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men. But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. But the greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.

Well, this guy clearly chose exaltation on the front end and is getting humbled on the back end.

It's an aspect of the fallen human condition that narcissists crave leadership roles, both secular and religious, and very often end up in them. As you note, the acclaim they receive feeds into the narcissism and becomes an addiction of its own. Those in the position of selecting and elevating others to leadership roles need to be on guard for this at all times.

[–]istruthselfevident-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, this guy clearly chose exaltation on the front end and is getting humbled on the back end.LOL

well it was the university president who was a cuck, but maybe we'll find out more about this guy given more time. LOL

thing is, when you're outside God's will for a long time, you do tend to desire rebuke. and if your mind is overloaded on power and control, you will actually desire to be uh, cough, humbled. and this often expresses itself in strange sexual fettishes.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 35M | Married 12 yrs12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In retrospect, Ranin said their relationship was likely a product of the pandemic — “He hadn’t been doing anything for so many months, he hadn’t been onstage, what else was going on in his life?

You say "spreading the gospel wasn't enough." The problem is: he wasn't even doing that. He was preaching sermons. Mostly preaching to the choir. That's not spreading the Gospel. And certainly none of this rings anywhere near making disciples, even if the Gospel was preached and a few non-believers were trickling in.

This is yet another example of structural churchianity mentality ruining things. The guy is so hung up on the stage being his role in God's Kingdom rather than the field.

[–]coachdad8[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now he has quite the testimony if he chooses to use it.

[–]AmericanCPA220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He couldn't get his hallelujahs on stage so he needed to get them elsewhere.

[–]johngalt123410 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally I find Hillsong repellent and cringe. It doesn't have the gravitas of an Orthodox Church that I find more agreeable. Where I get more of a sense of God than the former.

Despite my absolute irreconcilable differences with their theology being Protestant.

As for this kind of incident. Since he is no longer beyond reproach. He ought to be barred from ministry for life.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of unicorns,

She said he called her his “Middle Eastern unicorn woman” and told her she reminded him of his friends the Kardashians, which bothered her. “I don’t like when people drop names,” she said, noting that she used to work bottle service in Manhattan and has celebrity friends, too.

Thinking any woman is a unicorn always leads to pedestalization and sin.

[–]RedPillGlasses4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Any woman who thinks celebrities are her friends because she used to bring them booze should probably give you warning signals about using her as a side girl.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You read it wrong. He said he was friends with the Kardashians to impress her. LOL

[–]Salsaxat5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dont think they did. It said she worked bottle service and had celebrity friends too.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assumed he was replying to the quote I quoted in which case my comment makes more sense, but if he was replying to my unicorn comment then you're correct.

[–]JulianUNE3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cute dog.

Satan loves to raise a man up, only to drop him.

[–]AmericanCPA223 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only church i ever attended where you weren't allowed to meet the Pastor and had to earn the privilege to lol. Glad to know my tithes and donations went towards his side lovers gifts. And instead of laying low and trying to humble himself he moves to a rich area of LA where he will be surrounded by half naked women. How does Laura allow this?

[–]logov1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is paying now 16k a month rent

[–]youred231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they drive a $120k car... I’ve known for years this guy is a joke especially how he engaged with people on social media

I don’t think he’s learned his lesson. Most people would move somewhere where they couldn’t easily be found and instead he goes to a highly visible area

[–]Idunnowhy22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These types are made into idols, no one can continue in that situation without being corrupted by it.

[–]verticalquandry2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Flee from sexual temptation, the only sin we are told to flee.

[–]Anonymous2k180 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

How would I flee it

[–]WhereProgressIsMade1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people have a policy of not cultivating one-on-one friendships with the opposite sex who isn't your spouse or a close relative.

For example, whenever I need to text the mom of one of my kids' friends, I always copy my wife on it too. If I have the friend's mom's husband in my phone, I copy him too.

[–]youred23-1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

That’s also a bit unhealthy as you’re objectifying women by treating them as some piece of temptation

[–]WhereProgressIsMade5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No, it's called having healthy boundaries.

[–]youred23-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No it isn’t in all cases. You’re basically telling every woman that they’re a temptation sexually to you which is objectifying them rather than looking at them as simply a human.

If I need to talk to a woman there’s no need to copy my wife on a message because it doesn’t matter if they have breasts and a vagina they’re just another human being to communicate with

Literally the only reason to have ‘healthy’ big Darius is if you can’t help but think of a woman in a sexual context

[–]WhereProgressIsMade1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Do these statements objectify women in your opinion?

Keep to a path far from her, do not go near the door of her house.

Abstain from all appearance of evil.

[–]youred231 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My goodness did you read the entire chapter? It’s specifically talking about an adulterous woman not all women

[–]WhereProgressIsMade1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

First, thanks for the discussion. Have an upvote :) I'm trying to figure out what exactly would be some good guidelines. Copying people on texts seems weird to be honest. It was just something someone recommended that I started trying recently. I know some just let their spouse know their cell password and let them browse through it whenever they want. My wife knows mine, but it seems like she just uses it to call herself when she can't find her phone.

It’s specifically talking about an adulterous woman not all women

Yes, I agree. Some on this sub unfortunately would say all women are like that.. I tried to argue against that based on data and the Bible, but just got downvoted and called names.

Many men have a policy of never being alone with a women who isn't their wife. Billy Graham and Mike Pence being probably two of the most well known. They have come under frequent criticism for this, with similar arguments about objectifying women.

Putting Psalm 119:9, "How can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to your word" together with 1 Thessalonians 5:22, "Abstain from all appearance of evil.", leaves us in kind of a pickle since both maintaining the "Billy Graham" rule and not maintaining it can have an appearance of evil.

Society seems to judge men harsher who get accused of adultery or commit it (even if its only emotional and not physical) compared to people who objectify women. Especially pastors, an affair is pretty much an automatic firing. That seems to point toward employing the "Billy Graham rule" to be the better than not employing it. I'd say it should probably be extended to anyone male or female to avoid being sexist though. I don't really know what the answer is.

[–]youred232 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ya I totally get not being alone and I basically have that rule but if I’m dropping off my son at a friends house and it’s only the wife there I simply don’t stay longer than needed. However some of these women are also long time friends I’ve known and are also my friend, sometimes I may need to message them so it doesn’t make sense to copy someone on that.

Even the ones I consider long time friends I still wouldn’t be alone with behind closed doors and wouldn’t put myself in that situation but as far as talking and messaging I’ve got no issues. So for me that seems fine and appropriate

Though randomly I do have to tell of an awkward situation I once had. I went to a well known walking path with my son and my friend’s wife was there with her kid and her mom so we all walked together since our kids are friends.

They were getting lunch after so we stayed with them which felt awkward because it felt like we were a huge family walking to the restaurant. No biggie though since I was gonna leave early... until her mom left and both of our cars were across the parking lot. So we all walked together and it felt so weird and just thought how it might look otherwise if a random person we both knew saw us like that. So I do my best to avoid that stuff and next time I’d decline lunch lol

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[–]youred230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No it’s sad and pathetic if you can’t look at a woman as a being rather than a temptation for your sexual gratification

I never said to spend intimate time with other women but damn this is pathetic if you can’t speak to another woman or have a friendship without you looking at them as a sexual temptation

[–]Physical-Connection5-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This isn't true. You are not 'treating' them at all. You see them as sinners, as yourself, and realize that the devil can use them AND you, together, to ruin both of your lives. "The thief cometh not but to steal, kill, and destroy."

[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think his real crime was wearing that scoop-necked T-shirt in the linked photo! Did he put on his wife's shirt by accident?!

Seriously, though ... to me, this points up the flaw in having paid 'pastors' in the first place! It's obvious this guy and his wife were struggling in their marriage, but when you have been artificially exalted and annointed, who can you turn to? Who can you be real and authetic and honest with?! It's setting people up to fail, IMO.

[–]ENTPunisher1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Shocking, truly shocking. Who could have foreseen this?

Government needs to start enforcing Leviticus 20:10. At least we wouldn't have to see his stupid hipster glasses anymore.

"I was unfaithful in my marriage, the most important relationship in my life and held accountable for that."

Really? No relationship more important than that, """Pastor""" Carl?

[–]sliprymdgt8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone could have foreseen this, Joe Rogan and all his listeners did.

See my comment about Joe Rogan openly mocking Carl a long time ago on one of if not the most listened to podcasts in the world.

[–]ENTPunisher1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's sarcasm bro.

[–]Regenclan6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So we have the government kill anyone who commits adultery. Wow. I hope you have never had anything from a pig.

[–]RedPillGlasses-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh jeez man, the incels are gonna downvote that comment big time.

I got you though.

[–]Regenclan8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank God we live under grace or we'd all be dead. I definitely don't want the govt deciding which of leviticus's rules we should be following and what we should die from

[–]RedPillGlasses-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

“Government needs to start enforcing Leviticus 20:10”.

Sure man, right after we start slicing up goats and burning pigs.

When’s the last time you got laid?

[–]johnduster-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Look at exact wording of Lev 20:10. He didn't even violate that command. What he did wasn't adultery. Only the worlds definition of adultery. Biblical adultery is when a married woman has sex with another man which didn't happen here. He is a modern day king. Sex obsessed conservatives should just get over it and let him wife up #2.

[–]RedPillGlasses0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro, why you gotta bring truth into it.

[–]jconcep900 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The article doesn't sound credible at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't 'Celebrity Pastor' an oxymoron?

[–]soundwavecollector0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So, this might be better for a dedicated post, but how does one address and recover from a dopamine addiction?

I was just telling someone this week how my experience within the church and laying bare my known faults has resulted in a lot of diagnosis, mockery, and “thoughts and prayers,” but little to no forgiveness 70x7, reconciliation, or just brotherly help.

So, what’s a guy to do in this situation? Specifically.

[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

May I suggest a 12-step program?

IMO, they provide an excellent roadmap ...

[–]soundwavecollector0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I appreciate the suggestion as a recovered friend of Bill W and Dr. Bob.

From 2010 to 2014 I was in a 12 Step group and had some wonderful sponsors. I’m of the minority that believe one can become fully recovered and that the Steps are a temporary part of one’s overall wellness.

But since my convictions and beliefs are firmly in a Reformed Christianity form, I couldn’t last long within a people who only go so far as a “higher power.”

[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn’t last long within a people who only go so far as a “higher power.”

Casting a big net catches more fishes than a small one?

Also, a lot of people come into recovery having had negatives experiences with, or at least perceptions of, religion. Keeping things light at the outset helps to overcome their resistance and get them started down the path. (You can start at "higher power" but that doesn't necessarily mean that's where you stop.)

I’m of the minority that believe one can become fully recovered and that the Steps are a temporary part of one’s overall wellness.

I'm with ya there in the sense that, 30 years on, I can drink modest amounts occasionally without it being a problem for me anymore. There's no compulsion there, or it's a passing thought that is easy to swat down. Getting drunk every day just doesn't fit into my lifestyle anymore. :-)

At the same time, I'd never advise someone else with a history of addiction that it's OK to "go off the wagon." I've seen people who went on one bender who ended up in the hospital! It is pretty common for addicts to cycle endlessly between addiction and recovery. (Lots of heartache for their loved ones.) So it is probably safer to simply abstain; thus I have no argument with people who say it's the only way! Better safe than sorry?!

As far as "temporary" ... I haven't been to a meeting in decades, but I still use the steps all the time, mostly in terms of self-reflection, being willing to have my character defects removed, etc. I don't think this is a process that miraculously ends at some point and we're "finished" (other than by dying, lol). In the religious sphere, it would be called 'sanctification.' What's the old saying? "Be patient, because God isn't finished with me yet."

[–]Environmental-Fan-62-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

GET A DIVORCE. REPENT. THERAPY.

This guy needs to take this as a solid window out. The woman says after his wife found out they had another "session" to say goodbye. That says a lot...that he would need to say goodbye or mourn his mistress when he has a wife of 17years...his heart is clearly not into it and he would be better off divorcing, repenting and counseling men in similar situations. Maybe then his poor wife can find someone faithful, his children wont be at risk of being humiliated again (because he will relapse) and maybe he'll find himself a girlfriend and be truthful about his actions.

That's the issue with the church...now this is just another pillar of shame he'll have to carry, if he just owned up to the fact he doesnt like marriage and was truthful he would be able to move past everything.

His poor wife is probably ganna have a mountain of transgressions before he's completely honest. Probably porn addiction or other indulges

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

He's addiction to Dopamine. “He hadn’t been doing anything for so many months, he hadn’t been onstage, what else was going on in his life? He needed to do something that would excite him.” she said. This is the problem with men who are addiction to money, fame, social media, alcohol, drugs, working out, porn, texting or any other dopamine producing activity. Spending time with his wife of 17 years and 4 kids, or spreading the gospel wasn't enough to satisfy his dopamine addiction. Once Satan gets his hooks in you with dopamine, you need supernatural help with rehab.

There are some people that certainly seem to need constant stimulation more than others, but isn't dopamine, by nature, addictive? I guess I mean who isn't addicted to dopamine? Or, where's the line between wanting to feel a dopamine hit often and being addicted?

[–]Environmental-Fan-621 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This has more to do with ego. He was probably a goofy looking kid pushed into marriage so he could have sex. Probably entered his marriage for the sex and once the sex stopped and he got all these cool clothes he realized he could find it somewhere else.

He wants to be cool like Justin bieber. Cool clothes. Cool guy ego. Beautiful girlfriend. A completely new life but the only bad thing was he still had his wife. He seemed to age away from her in the looks department and how he delivers himself.

[–]AmericanCPA220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta get your hallelujahs somewhere.

[–]DW_Shrute0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Her paying for a background check when she could have just used google and saw who he was in 2 seconds is the biggest tell that she’s not being honest about what truly transpired...

[–]AmericanCPA220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He wouldn't tell her his last name so she had to pay using his cell number.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

aka. Reverend Dick Root

[–]earth_goat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. 100%

Also, we need to stop vilifying "affairs of the heart". Maybe he was not alone in this - his wife was in on the affair with him. Maybe she was ok with it. If you love your husband and he has done EVERYTHING right, been a good provider, shown you the world, doted on you, said and done the right things all the time, then a hall pass is understandable.

I think we need to cut each other some slack, esp given the tough global situation we are in. It is enough to make even the bravehearts among us have weak moments.

[–]Environmental-Fan-62-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

UNPOPULAR OPINION... I've never been married 20 years or was a virgin when married. It's an outdated practice that leads to danger.

This guy was probably a dorky greasy teenager that watched the pretty girls from a far and never had sex or any women actually interest in him because of his own attributes and religion > he finally found a woman to marry which meant sex > she was probably his only sexual experience and then became the only thing he would ever morally experience si when that dried up (because it happens in relationships/especially after years of marriage) he had a teenage boy mindset where his eyes were bigger than his brain.

I think men need to have sex in order to realize that sex with their wife is SOOO much better, preferably before they even marry/meet their wives. The issue is telling teenage boys to wait until marriage, they get married because they're pumped with hormones dying to experience intimacy and then they get pushed into marriage with their eyes wide open

[–]wakkaflokka20200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive been married for a fair amount of time and although I think you’re off regarding Carl I think you have a fair point In your last sentences. There’s a lot of missplaced fears regarding sexuality that’s being placed on the shoulders of christian young men and women which makes sexual aspects of a relationship unnecessairly odd instead of natural.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sidebar rule #7

[–]Waste_Ad52970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. He’s admitted to having lots of sex before marriage in his sermons

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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