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How would you handle this situation if you were her husband?

January 29, 2022
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianmarriage/comments/sf44dl/how_to_deal_with_husbands_resentment_about_my_past/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

TL;DR

Wife has a lot more of a sexual past than she led her husband to believe.

Husband finds out at a party in her hometown through a former hook up, that she at least had 30 guys before she went off to college.

She is distraught that he is now treating her differently. She wants him to look past her past, and realize that he’s hurting his adoring wife, and that his sour attitude is ruining their marriage. She is withdrawing sex from him until he stops being more demanding of doing more sexual acts like the one she did her hook ups.

It’s interesting bc this is posted in a Christian sub. It seems like she’s getting a lot of support from the females in there, and the guys are just saying do counseling.

Personally, i feel I would be devastated and want out. How do you all handle it?

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Title How would you handle this situation if you were her husband?
Author KnownLedgesIsPowder
Upvotes 1
Comments 27
Date January 29, 2022 2:54 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Wonko_the_Sane77 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This part says it all really:

"Honestly, the the acts that i had done in the past with the other guys were just spontaneous in the moment things, which involved a passion that i can’t re-create with my husband. It was all good and fun, but when I’m with my husband, it’s more expressing our love and commitment to each other. It wouldn’t feel right to do those things with him, and i don’t want to have a sex life that mimics the stuff you see in porn. It just wouldn’t feel right."

[–]PimPedOutGeese 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely.

She’s not attracted to her husband in a visceral, lustful, way… shame. That is the one person your allowed to be lustful for.

[–]Stryker7200 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She married the beta and will never view him as an alpha, how every man wants his wife to look at him.

[–]verticalquandry 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the problem right here. It’s not that she vows what she did before as wrong but wrong with her husband.

How much would that suck to hear

[–]Stryker7200 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah other than unfaithfulness in the marriage it’s the worst situation to be in for a guy. He will always know he can’t create the desire in his wife like she had for other guys before him.

Plus in this case 30 guys before college? In a smaller town that’s pretty much the town slut.

I dont necessarily agree with the idea of annulments, but it seems like she committed marital fraud against her husband by keeping the extent of her past a secret. At least that would be how the husband has to feel. Like he unwittingly married the town slut. But Jacob didn’t just ditch Leah, and a marriage is a marriage.

[–]verticalquandry 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for posting this here since I got banned from commenting in that other sub.

This is a subject I actively avoid with my wife though I know how many she was with before we were Christian (we didn’t convert until we had our son, we were just heathens back then and non Christian)

I’m not sure what I would do, I think that to death do us part is real. The only thing the husband can do it separate and not marry anyone else since the Bible is clear on this. It’s obviously still fresh so I would tell them to chill for a year and don’t bring non Christian sex to the bedroom, that’s a bad move. No sodomy etc though she’s not very clear here

[–]BroChapeau 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Point to me why it's not permissible to get a divorce or annulment when it was done regularly in israel. That's not what "let no man put asunder" means.

Also, point to me where the bible forbids anal sex within a hetero marriage.

[–]verticalquandry 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

We’re not under the old covenant so that point is moot. Paul is very clear, no divorce unless someone cheats.

Sodom and gamorrah were destroyed by God’s wrath. I think it’s a grey area also it is unhealthy for the woman.

[–]BroChapeau 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s a grey area

What kind of butts are you looking at?

But on a more serious note, it doesn't seem so clear that divorce is forbidden by Paul. To "put her away" meant to kick a wife out of her house without serving her the legal divorce papers required under Jewish law, so that she'd remain married but have no place to go.

[–]verticalquandry 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What you just said means divorce is forbidden

[–]Stryker7200 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, I’d avoid anal, it’s considered an abomination for same sex, and it doesn’t seem a stretch that something not designed for sex would be an abomination no matter the sexes of those involved. I wouldn’t risk it personally.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

We’re not under the old covenant so that point is moot. Paul is very clear, no divorce unless someone cheats.

This is the common thought now with Protestants, but I don't think it's correct.

Textual analysis of Matthew 19 indicates that fornication likely applies to Deuteronomy 22 where a wife lies about her virginity which annuls a marriage rather than Deut 24 on divorce Otherwise, Jesus would be agreeing with the Pharisees that you could divorce your wife for adultery and contradictory to his claim "What God has put together let no man separate"

Similarly, the disciples say it's better not to marry. That would only make sense if Jesus meant no divorce.

Mark 10, Luke 16, Romans 7, and 1 Corinthians 7 all indicate no divorce for any reason, and if in the case of separation there is no remarriage but only reconciliation her 1 Corinthians 7.

The early Church fathers also said there was no divorce for any reason. If a wife cheated you should put her away (like God did with Judah & Babylon) but if she repented you should reconcile. There was some debate whether you should divorce or or not (but still reconcile if she repented - like God did with Israel and bringing the Samaritans back in the fold via Jesus), but the consensus was no remarriage anyway.

Covered more in the big writeup and links in the comment here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RPChristians/comments/sf841u/how_would_you_handle_this_situation_if_you_were/huqphvg/

[–]verticalquandry 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Very interesting. I’ll have to dig into this further.

[–]ResponsibleYak724 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would have never married her to begin with.

Simple as that. Either I get the best sex you offer before marriage or you won't be getting a ring. That's not a threat or demand. It's a reasonable expectation. I have no other solid format of gauging genuine desire. Have respect for yourself and start seeing other options.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

He told me to be honest with him, and say how many guys i had been with. I gave him ballpark numbers but honestly i don’t even remember or know. When i did 4 years of college, it really didn’t help. I had a rough upbringing, parent’s always bickering and dad not giving me attention. And i try to explain to him that i’m not that old person anymore, who was insecure and looking for affection in the wrong places. It’s not my fault that i felt neglected and unwanted and that’s why i behaved that way.

Biggest red flag. Only one person called her out for that (ok a few more did after reading past the first several which is good). "Not my fault" is certainly not Christian. Take responsibility for your sin and show some humility and contrition.

He got upset, and he ignored me in the house for a week. When his attitude changed and we made up, he started demanding more from me in the bedroom. I told him that i don’t do that stuff, and this is a consecrated marriage. He asked me if i did that stuff with the other guys and i told him the truth that I did. But he’s different and i love him, and i don’t want to bring that stuff into our marriage. I just want to be respected.

If anything she should want to do more with her husband than with the other men.

But we all know it doesn't work like that because she "settled" (her words).

You may judge me and think that because of my past i’m not a good person, but honestly if i told him that stuff he would ‘ve looked me differently and probably wouldn’t ended it. He is going to be the father of our family someday and i look to him as being a great potential provider for us. But his mounting disdain for me is growing and we haven’t been intimate in 2 months. I told him he needs to calm down with his demands and pushiness before we do.

How can i convince him that i’m a different person and i’m not the old person i used to be? How can i get it through to him that it wasnt’ my fault i did those things, and that it was just a period of trying to fill a void in my life that’s now filled with him. He has an adoring wife, who is willing to support him in everything he does. I just don’t want to ruin what we got because he’s being unreasonably stubborn.

She should:

  1. Apologize how her past negatively affected the marriage and her lying and her non-humility and non-contribution. Although partially it's the husband's fault for not probing deeper she did lie about just with some boyfriends when it was a lot more.
  2. Show some actual humility and remorse and how it has negatively affected her husband.
  3. Start doing more sexual stuff with her husband. Screw respect (which isn't something husbands are supposed to do for wives in marriage anyway).

How would you handle this situation if you were her husband?

This is actually the probable situation that would annul a marriage.

Technically, it's mostly the husband's fault for not asking more, but the wife did lie by saying just a few boyfriends when asked.

Covered this here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RPChristians/comments/rwpenm/biblical_way_to_discuss_sex_needs_with_spouse/hrfum7z/

From my understanding of the Scriptures, that is the original context of why "except for fornication/porneia" is in Matthew 19 section on divorce.

https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2018/11/24/divorce-part-7-final/

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away (apoluō) his wife, except it be for fornication (porneia), and shall marry another, commit adultery (moichaō): and whoso marrieth her which is put away (apoluō) doth committeth adultery (moichaō).

If Jesus meant you could divorce for adultery, he would have said:

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away (apoluō) his wife, except it be for adultery (moichaō), and shall marry another, commit adultery (moichaō): and whoso marrieth her which is put away (apoluō) doth committeth adultery (moichaō).

Why use fornication? Jesus obviously knows what adultery is. He uses it several times in the next sentence. That would be the husband having sex with a woman who is not his wife. Fornication only makes sense if it was before marriage. (Yes, I've heard the argument that porniea specifically includes all kinds of illegal sex like fornication, beastiality, and yes also including adultery... but it's NEVER once used in the context of adultery in the NT except supposedly in this verse).

Instead, fornication would not talk about Deut 24 and instead refer to Deuteronomy 22 (wife lies about being a virgin and the husband put her away even though they were ceremonially married and consummated it; if he's false he may never put her away as long as he lives) and Matthew 1 (Joseph was betrothed to Mary and righteously seeks to put her away quietly - and not divorce her since both official betrothal and marriage required a divorce). John 8:41 the Pharisees seem to accuse Jesus of being illegitimate ("we are not children of porneia") since it may have been common knowledge that Joseph wasn't Jesus' father.

Mark 10, Luke 16, Romans 7, and 1 Corinthians 7 don't have the clause either. I's likely that Jesus means marriage is permanent and the only thing that can effectively cancel a marriage is if it began on lies. Covenants in the Bible obviously require all parties be truthful and in agreement with them... and it would seem marriage in included. This is what our current contract law is based on as well. Lying basically nullifies contracts and is very frowned upon by judges.

Lots more evidence textually as well covered in the post.

Generally, though, even if she lied and you can get past it it's probably best to stay married though. But I can see if people want out if the other person built the marriage on lying. You can't build a marriage on Satan (father of lies). It wouldn't be a marriage.

Annulment, possible.

More or less if you're Catholic or Orthodox. Protestant does not have a way to handle it, but such a thing I wouldn't consider a marriage.

FWIW Piper also believes the betrothal interpretation and no divorce for any valid marriages.

He includes one or two extra pieces of evidence I don't on my long blog entry on it:

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/divorce-and-remarriage-a-position-paper

[–]KnownLedgesIsPowder 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What would you do exactly? Stay and figure it out or annulment?

As a single guy this stuff scares me. When you hear stories like this how can you trust any of them? It’s so easy to hide red flags and go on acting like nothing happened.

Thanks for ur write up and for citing key verses.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What would you do exactly? Stay and figure it out or annulment?

Well, I would have asked in way more detail about her sexual history:

https://deepstrength.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/discussing-sex-and-virginity-with-a-potential-spouse-is-important/

If she lied that much I'd annul.

As a single guy this stuff scares me. When you hear stories like this how can you trust any of them? It’s so easy to hide red flags and go on acting like nothing happened.

The biggest thing here in RPC is to find someone who is actually FAST - faithful, available, saved, teachable

You can tell from how this woman is acting and her responses that she's probably neither faithful or teachable or maybe even saved. So those would be red flags. She was just hanging around the Church to snag a husband.

Yellow and red flags are usually visible if you are actually looking for them. The problem is most men (and women for that matter) allow their feelings to blind themselves to indicators that can spell disaster in a marriage. Also why it's not a good idea to rush into marriage either. You need time to see if her talk is consistent with her walk.

[–]guachumalakegua 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“Thirst” makes you blind to most flags that’s why you need friends and family members to help you in the vetting process.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]guachumalakegua 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pray to God he reveals her true nature, she can lie to men but she can’t lie to God.

[–]TheGodofOrphans 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would mean I married under false pretenses. Divorce her.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (7 children) | Copy Link

OP please us the "NP" link if you link posts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoParticipation/wiki/intro

If you can add the np to the URL that would be great.

[–]KnownLedgesIsPowder 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

What does np stand for?

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

No participation. So you can't interact with any of the comments or upvote or downvote. Prevents brigading which is illegal on reddit

[–]KnownLedgesIsPowder 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ok. I’m just going to delete the thread. It’s not very popular here.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok. I’m just going to delete the thread. It’s not very popular here.

What? This post got good engagement and participation and you're saying that's not popular?

If you wanted to delete it just delete it then. No need to make excuses.

[–]KnownLedgesIsPowder 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It got downvoted to 0. That’s how I judged it wasn’t popular. And I believe I did delete. I don’t how I’m still able to reply to u lol.

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