Married Red Pill - Husbands submit yourselves to your wives...

rocknrollchuck · 2018-10-03T00:02:15+00:00

Ephesians 5:21 is connected to the verses that precede it. Ephesians 5:22 starts a new paragraph / idea that is separate from the previous one, because the verses that follow apply specifically to husband/wife relationships within marriage. So verse 21 is not saying that husbands and wives should submit to one another, but that Christians in general should submit to one another, as a continuation of what is written in verses 1-20. Verse 22 begins a new section with the command for wives to submit to their husbands, and the subsequent passage for husbands to love their wives.

I know this is scriptual but how do you guys implement the idea of submitting yourself to your wife in a red pill world.

You don't. There is no command for a husband to submit to his wife. A wife is supposed to submit to her husband, and there are multiple verses that support this, as well as the role of women in the church.

The Bible on wives submitting to their husbands:

1 Peter 3:1-6 Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2 when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

Ephesians 5:22-24 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Genesis 3:16 16 To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

Colossians 3:18 18 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Titus 2:3-5 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.

The Bible on women and their place in the church:

1 Corinthians 11:3-10 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. 5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34 Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

1 Timothy 2:9-14 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds,appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

I guess I'm trying to figure out if this is more of a blue pill stance or how would a red pill stance look on this idea? Clearly the man needs to lead and the woman is most appreciative when he leads (unless you talk to a femnist, then everything is shared 50/50 - no leader). I'm curious how this works out and if you would just lose all attraction if you constantly submitted yourself to her but she decided to never submit to you.

For the Christian, the answer is easy: it is not a matter of Red Pill or Blue Pill. It is a matter of what God's word says, and whether or not we choose to obey it - regardless what the culture has to say about it.

Deep_Strength · 2018-10-02T23:51:51+00:00

That book is wrong.

Verse 21 is part of the preceding verses 1-20 to the general congregation of believers in the Church.
Verse 22 and on are specifically about the marriage covenant.

So no, there is no mutual submission in marriage (except sexual duty toward each other 1 Cor 7). No other passage in the Bible on marriage supports this: Ephesians 5, Col 3, Titus 2, 1 Peter 3, 1 Cor 11, etc.

Christ heads the Church, leads by example, and serves the Church, but does not submit to the Church. Husbands and wives are to emulate Christ and the Church.

It's really pretty sad how much people want to twist the Scripture to support their own ideas of what is are right, especially in regard to the culture.

phoenix_md · 2018-10-03T00:40:05+00:00

Ephesians 5:21 is the general instruction for Christians to submit to other Christians. Then Paul looks at specific relationships where submitting to each other doesn’t make sense (eg husbands and wives, parents and children, masters and slaves)

Look at Ephesians 6. Are parents supposed to submit to their children? Are masters supposed to submit to their slaves? No, and neither are husbands supposed to submit to their wives.

lololasaurus · 2018-10-03T05:34:34+00:00

It's not scriptural the way they mean it.

The scripture is referring to the various ways different offices submit to each other.

They are saying husband submit to wives, but this is the same as saying Christ submits to the churches authority, Kings submit to their subjects authority, masters submit to slaves authority, and parents submit to children's authority.

It's nonsense.

kyengraver · 2018-10-08T03:04:46+00:00

There are Three things I see. 1. Wives are instructed to submit themselves to their own husbands. I know from experience that a wife will follow the lead of another man if her husband is not a. Leading her or b. not competent in scripture or Christ’s teachings. Even in the first century church, It would have been common for the wife to admire and respect the pastor over her own husband. Paul is putting things in order. 2. Husbands love your wives just as Christ loves the church. Clearly by right, Christ is not subservient to the church. He did however, get down and wash their feet like a servant. If you have ever been in the military and went to the chow hall during a holiday. Sometimes you’ll find the general behind the food line serving food to the troops. Sometimes a leader must jump in the foxhole full of mud so he can push a wounded soldier out. Subjecting oneself to someone that does not have authority over you for the purpose of raising them up is honorable, charitable and gracious. Husbands love your wives just as Christ loved the church. 3. We live in the world but are not of the world. Christ followers are on equal standing before God. We are all co heirs with Christ. The Jew is not better than the Gentile. The woman is not less than the man. The poor is not preferred over the rich. The owner will not inherit a better inheritance over the slave. We must balance and keep in mind the dual nature we possess in ourselves. One is earthly, but will pass away like a flower, the other is heavenly. Keeping this in mind, we can submit to each other as if we are submitting to the lord. We should desire the highest good toward each other and not think that we are better than any other child of God. The Highest good a man could do for his wife is lift her up. Lead her. Teach her. Discipline her. Be her example by being obedient to God first, then she will by nature be obedient to her own husband. Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness.... and then all these things will be added unto you.

old_fasioned_man · 2018-10-10T02:40:46+00:00

It is hard to find good christian reading material on this. I only know of one. The Exemplary Husband by Stuart Scott

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