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My Anger Phase

January 24, 2019

When I took the red pill I did not experience the "anger phase" as many do. Sure, my mind was somewhat blown when I internalized the concepts hypergamy, AWALT, and Chad, but they made sense. In fact, more than being upset I found myself excited. You can't win a game unless you knew the rules, and the red pill helped me learn the rules of the game I found myself in.

This is also the reason for my anger phase.

Why did I have to find some random secular hole of the internet to discover the rules of the game? How come the church never taught me what amounts to basic biblical truth? Why didn't my pastors teach this stuff during pre-marital counseling? After all, most (if not all) red pill concepts are readily found either in scripture or in nature. How could my pastors and elders be so blind?

They'd read scripture. They knew exactly what Paul wrote about women in the church and family. They had to know that their version of "complimentarianism" was merely egalitarianism in drag. Whether it was ignorance or cowardice that lead to their silence, the men at the helm in the church today are wreaking havoc on Christian marriages. To borrow a redpill term, they are drunk captains and the bride of Christ suffers for lack of strong leadership.

The manosphere is full of criticism towards Christianity, some of it is misguided, but too much hits close to home. This is one of the reasons I feel so strongly about RPC as a community. We just recently broke 2,000 subscribers to this sub. That means 2,000 men who are learning and experiencing a "new" way of conducting themselves. 2,000 men who know, live, and teach, the truth can radically change the landscape of modern Christendom.

Make no mistake about it men: living your mission, leading a successful marriage, and ruling an orderly home is a serious gospel testimony to a world full of men who are giving up.

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Title My Anger Phase
Author OsmiumZulu
Upvotes 27
Comments 28
Date January 24, 2019 7:40 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RPChristians
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/RPChristians/my-anger-phase.301467
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/RPChristians/comments/aja4zb/my_anger_phase/

[–]RPCJoeMak4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great stuff man.

I know what you mean about the anger and all. Anger about lost years. Anger about missing out on all those guys we could have reached if we had only had a higher awareness level. Anger about elders. Anger about church leadership.

It can go on and on if you let it.

The thing I realized is that we all, to some degree or another, go through some version of the stages of grief. It happens with every guy I work with in our program.

When they get a different perspective and improved awareness, they think back on how things could have been different, etc.

All that does is cause grief and heartache.

When I look back at all those church leaders, or relatives, or fill in the blank people, I unders unders and more that they didn't know all this. And they still don't know about it today. They just really don't have that awareness.

So I have to let go of it all. I can't let go of it all unless I have total unconditional acceptance of the present moment. And the present moment is what it is. The present moment tells me that they don't have the awareness. There is nothing I can do about their past.

So, that's a philosophical place to go. Lol. But living that life of detachment about all this stuff can be tough on a day to day basis too. Especially when I want to try to reach all those people and help them discover what I have found.

So there is also a large dichtomoty with all of that stuff too. And the dichotomy is that I don't know of any Red Pill Christian people who got this Red Pill awareness by reading the Bible. As far as I know, we all had to go outside the church and outside the Bible to get this awareness.

Yet, it is the go-to response to ask if something is "scriptural."

And that is also a major frustration in reaching people inside the church. They are so afraid to look for answers in secular sources because their main filter is to ask if something is scriptural. But we all had go outside the church to find these answers.

What I have found is that if I find truth in the secular world, I will also find it in the Bible. So I am never afraid to go looking in secular sources or materials. Because when I find truth there, I know for a fact that I will find it also in the Bible.

So people have turned their foundation for truth (the Bible) into their main limiting source all at the same time.

And that's why we all probably have frustration with the church and church leaders. Because of their inability to find application in what we see as "the real world."

I think many in the church have been taught to look first in the Bible and then to try to force the whole world into that viewpoint somehow. The reality for me has been to look in the world for truth and then to find the application of it in the Bible.

So in the Red Pill topic that we are discussing here, when I first read Rational Male I knew there was truth in it. I knew there was truth biologically and otherwise. I knew it was in the Bible also. Red Pill is all over the Bible. But if I was too afraid to look in the secular world to get the Red Pill stuff in the first place I never would have found it. And I never would have had this level of awareness.

The anger side of it is just a natural progression of loss. Loss of relationships. Loss due to faulty awareness. Loss of years, etc.

Keep up the good work man. You are doing good things for a whole new generation of guys out there.

Compassionate Alpha (Joe Mak)

[–]Stryker72000 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a good point. The world was created by God and often we can find truths in it pointing back to Him without reading scripture and then have it verified in scripture etc. many Old Testament believers seem to have used the world in this way as most of scripture was not there for them.

I think one of the hard things is that feminism is a corruption of Gods creation. If you notice Satan and sin never deceives with something in direct opposition to the Word, at least at the start. It always starts with corrupting truth into something else. That’s why it is so difficult to refute. It often appears just close enough to truth you cannot easily convince others of the heresy. Take dalrock’s Realization that feminism grew out of chivalry, etc.

[–]RPCJoeMak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's right.

You still have to be grounded in scripture so that you can sniff out a counterfeit in the secular world. There needs to be a balance.

So when I first read Rational Male, I saw a lot of truth in it. At least enough to keep reading. Lol. Yes, there is profanity and yes, there are some crude things here and there. But that stuff was just scenery. It didn't make the stuff not true just because Rollo used his own vernacular.

And actually, his approach helped a lot when I tried to develop my own material. So in my own case, I just kept thinking PG-13. How can I get all this stuff into a PG-13 arena?

I wasn't looking to refute his stuff by constantly asking questions about BCV (book,chapter,and verse) stuff. Initially, some of it was just entertaining to read. But later I went back and started writing bcv items in the margins of that and other books.

It has been a fun ride for sure.

Compassionate Alpha (Joe Mak)

[–]QUITxURxCRYING3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My church (Flatirons Community Church) does a man series every 12-18 months (they are doing one right now). Here is last weeks message. Honestly no other church I’ve been to has done as well in this aspect. Redpill is great, but hearing a series like this once in a while is helpful to being reminded what God called us to be as men.

[–]OUrocks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just listened to it. Thought it was great! I’ll be keeping up with that series

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

The red pill is good and all but the real problem is feminism.

You ask why everyone is blue pill? Feminism. You ask why the church lacks masculinity? Feminism

Weve let women lead and become the purpose of our lives. By putting women on a pedestal- and it's not even women, it's sex! - but by making sex so important, men have given up masculinity.

The red pill is so awesome because of how twisted our culture has become. If we didn't have a twisted culture the red pill would be less important.

The red pill wasn't necessary for Jesus or Paul. They had the Holy Spirit and didn't glorify sex. They put their hope and trust in God and not in a vagina.

All the spineless men are just doing it to get sex. You see how quickly men despise women when sex is taken off the table. A sexless marriage is usually one full of apathy and destruction.

Men gave up the reigns of society and the church to get their rocks off.

And the answer is nothing more than the Holy Spirit. I'm often not very pro red pill because I think the Holy Spirit gives us everything we need. Some will argue, you may get less sex that way - and to that I say, maybe you're right. But the whole problem is glorifying sex. Jesus didn't glorify sex. He gloried God.

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men gave up the reigns of society and the church to get their rocks off.

And, because God will not be mocked, didn't end up getting their rocks off but ended up in dead bedrooms.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

For many this may be true, but there are also a lot of church leaders who are very anti-sex but still glorify women. Their goal isn't sex. They're just genuinely screwed up by feminism and think that's what will put butts in their seats.

[–]Stryker72001 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This. They still put women on a pedestal and amog. I’m 32. Growing up in the late 90s and early 00’s, there was always this underlying view in church and among all the moms that boys= bad, girls = good. Boyish behaviors were always frowned upon or how a underlying disapproval. Girl behavior was always approved. Churches are rank with it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The question is why.

[–]SeamusAwl2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More women go to church then men. So the solution is to pander to those filling the seats. As a result, Men do not like to continue being told they suck. Especially by "God" from the pulpit. This leads to an even greater disparity in the sexes sitting in the pews.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a very good point. I'm thinking more on a micro level (the individual). On the macro level or the church leadership as a whole - it's not clear to me why they would serve feminism.

Some have made the argument, which is factually based, that women drive spending (and also tithing). I forget the stat but it's something like women spend 28 trillion but earn 18 trillion. Regardless, the women drive consumer decisions. From what I can tell, many men (maybe again for sex) have given women full control of decision making on finances and maybe even church attendance.

This creates financial pressure on the church and companies to push feminist ideals. Consider Gillette. Some have argued that the women are the ones buying the razers in many cases and they were trying to appeal to them in their terrible ad. I think this will backfire, however it shows that people will alter their message or actions to serve the feminine imperative.

Also it could be a form of weakness also. Men not wanting responsibility.

But you're right, some men not getting sex are benefiting from feminism. It may be because of money and people voting with their feet (tithing at the most feminist churches).

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got it.

If you preach against someone's pet sins, they're more likely to get angry and walk out. Doubly so if it's the wife and she drags her husband and kids out with her. Less people in the pews = less money.

Most Churches are businesses now instead of Churches.

[–]RPCJoeMak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the problem is weak male leadership.

It's the same problem as it was back in the Garden.

Feminism is just a fit test on a macro level. And men aren't passing it.

Campassionate Alpha (Joe mak)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, the over glorification of sex in our current cultural zeitgeist along with the inability to control carnal instincts is creating a generation of overly thirst my beta cucks.

[–]BoiLyon0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this.. I love the posts by a few of the moderators regarding overcoming addictions and turning to the Holy Spirit for food when the actual problem is ‘sex starvation’. In the last year, the more that I’ve learned to let the Holy Spirit guide my thoughts and actions, the less sex I’ve gotten. The irony of it is that it hardly matters to me because focusing on His will for me is so satisfying. I only regret that I was captive to a female body part for so much of my adult life. Of course I would love for my wife to be intimate with me spiritually and physically, but I pray that will come in time. Not sure I’m quite to the point of being strong enough to be a Christian MGTOW monk. 😀

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I pray that will come in time also. I can't question God's creation of our sexual desire - it seems it can be over powering at times and can lead us down dark paths. I hope in your pursuit of the light that you also can fulfil this strangely powerful urge we have as men.

[–]BoiLyon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for praying with me about this. I was a backslidden Christian living in sin when I met her. She claimed to be a Christian too. I was a passive spiritual leader in our home because of my own shame and as a result she went back to her Jehovahs Witness upbringing.

God has revolutionized my heart and mind over the past two and a half years.. particularly in the past 8 months and the closer I’ve gotten to him the more ‘turned off’ she’s gotten. I see the Holy Spirit working on her and I’m praying for a breakthrough. I once was too coward to stand on what I believe God asks of me because of the backlash I would get from her. A few weeks ago Red-Curious hit me hard about seeking validation and that was the last screw holding that door of fear on its hinges. It was an amazing moment to realize that as God’s son, My validation is found solely in Christ. He receives glory from my brokenness. Now I can lead my home and watch the Holy Spirit to open her eyes to Himself.. after that happens the rest of the pieces will fall into place. 🙏

[–]saveTheFirstWorld2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lets Save the First World

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s the idea, one man at a time

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. Being mindful of the parable of the great banquet in the process.

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[–]Stryker72004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The church can be held responsible to a degree because it is the Shepard for many. Scripture points to this and warns pastors/teachers that they will be held accountable for those they lead, at least to a degree. When the church is a big part of teaching feminist lies it can and should be held accountable.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

God tells you how to conduct yourself as a man.

[–]kyengraver0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are many rules the church avoids. I have to agree that sex is a problem. “we” heeded the voice of our wives....and have allowed the doctrine of balaam to infuse the church. Blue pill is absolute abdication of the throne. Red pill, is realizing this error and crawling back on it.

[–]SeamusAwl2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was at bible study last night. During the conversation, one older man told this story:

His son came to him and asked him if he loved mommy. He responded, "Of course I do, why would you ask that?"

the son replied, "Because I always see my friend's mom and dad kissing and hugging and you two don't do that?"

He answered back, "We do that, but it is only for the bedroom?"

I cringed and my wife later told me that she thought I was going to say or do something. She knows my thoughts are, children feel more loved seeing Daddy and Mommy kissing, hugging, and daddy smacking and grabbing her butt as we pass each other.

[–]SeamusAwl0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never had the anger phase. My guess is that I was tired of being angry. Angry at my wife who would starfish me at best. Angry that no one would help me. Angry that all anyone did was take from me and no one ever gave back. Just plain old angry at everything. The night I swallowed the pill, the scales fell off my eyes and I saw that I was the one who was at fault for allowing those circumstances to continue. I don't blame anyone for my former BP programming because they do not know any better. Just like when I accepted Christ and my "friends" scattered. They were all blinded to the truth I now saw. So I just don't want to be angry anymore, so I am not.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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