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RPC: a place to stay (or at least return to)

March 3, 2019
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“RPC isn’t a place to stay but more of something to extract the marrow from and move on.”

This sentiment has been floating around here recently and I want to suggest that it is bogus.

Man, especially the modern variety, is prone to forgetting truth. In fact, We are constantly forget important things. This is why God has to teach Israel the same lessons, over and over and over. This is why we go to church to hear the Gospel every Sunday. It is why champion sports teams review the basics and why we have anniversaries, holidays, and a calendar that helps us remember important things.

So why do some of you think you can just download some info from the internet, radically alter your outlook on life, and just move on as if you aren’t going to end up backsliding into betahood? Maybe not all the way back, but stop refreshing yourself on the basics and principles here and see how long it takes for you to forget and stop applying them.

I am not suggesting RPC or anything other than church and Christ become central, but don’t plan to move on so hastily.

I know I need refreshing on the basics and have found tremendous benefit from reading old saved, top, and sidebar posts here and elsewhere. You’d be amazed at what was forgotten or overlooked when you do this.

You should always be a student.

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Title RPC: a place to stay (or at least return to)
Author OsmiumZulu
Upvotes 20
Comments 40
Date March 3, 2019 5:55 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RPChristians
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[–]RedPillWonderMod | American man4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Some of you men are making me feel old. :)

I can remember at the start of this sub (which wasn't that long ago) when we were tougher, pushed each other a lot more on the playing field and basically said to one another what amounts to "You big doofus, what doctrine is this you're spouting off about?!"

And yes, for the more tenderhearted among us, that's me being over the top and no, we didn't literally say that. We did, however, kick up some dust while throwing a few friendly elbows amongst ourselves.

In actuality, we've gotten "softer" since then.

But even then, we said what we did with respect (and dare I say love?) for each other. We "fought" and shook hands afterward and had greater admiration and respect for each other than when we began.

Friendships were forged.

New people were welcomed.

And a knowledge base of time tested principles, as well as the "how to" in applying them were discussed, analyzed and written up and placed in the sidebar for all men to read and study, to learn and apply and hopefully, to reap the good results in their own lives and relationships.

It's my strong opinion that here, like in any great relationship, you're going to get a wide variety of experiences.

Sure, they'll be some "Hey man, it's alright. You're going to get through this. I'm here for ya." responses as well as the tougher "Bro, man up. What's wrong with you?!" type ones.

Both are needed sometimes.

And all kinds of other experiences in between.

Similar to friends spending time in real life, it's like...

Sometimes we'll high five and celebrate something together.

Sometimes we'll chill and talk shop around a campfire or a backyard barbeque.

Sometimes we get in each other's faces and push each other over something that got us riled up.

Sometimes we have very in depth discussions about The Word and life and serious things (actually, we do this all the time, but hey, don't disrupt me here. ;)

Other times we're laughing and cutting up about who knows what, and having a grand ole time.

For everyone reading, know that we criticize (constructively) and examine, we encourage and inspire and yes, we judge (according to the Word) and say when we think something is right or wrong or off base and what we think needs to be done to fix a situation.

I'm honestly not sure where all this sensitive, feel good, get out the fainting couch (and smelling salts) came from when around Christians.

Paul said he withstood Peter to his face and called him out in front of others when he was wrong. And I bet you everything he would have laid down his life for Peter, if necessary.

Friends are like that.

I think one of the main issues is that people simply don't know the Word.

Like in the example above.

If we're all supposed to just lightly tap someone on the shoulder and say "Dear brother, might I speak with you privately? The issue is rather important." then why did Paul react the way he did?

Why did others in Bible do similar things? Because in love, there is such a thing as tough love. There are times to stand your ground and give it someone with both barrels. God Himself did it. In the Old and New Testaments.

Jesus called people hypocrites, snakes and vipers! Not a "You're mistaken. Please hearken to my words because they really will help you. Won't you kindly listen...?"

Nope. Often, He was blunt and terse and outright "hostile" (in some people's minds) in His words.

All the time? No. Of course not. Neither are we. Like I said, if we're doing good things here, you're going to get all kinds.

A person once shared said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "You know, I've heard this over and over and it was explained in different ways, but I didn't 'get it' until someone once just cursed me out and put it in some plain, course language and it bypassed whatever filters and hit me right in my core." It hit home. On a visceral, gut level. He needed that, at that time.

To be very clear, I am NOT for cursing others or using coarse language. What I AM saying, is that sometimes getting tougher with someone, whether that's through sarcasm, or "pushing" them a little, or being "meaner" than they may like can actually help them.

And we are helping people.

So yes, do stay. Or keep returning. Make it a "home" of sorts, along with other sites you may visit and keep learning and applying and improving in your life.

Above all, get in His Holy Word.

Know it.

Live it.

Love the LORD with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength.

And along the way, you might just find you're stronger, tougher and somewhat more assertive than you are now.

The Lord bless each and every one of you men!

tag: u/Red-Curious, u/RocknRollChuck and u/Deep-Strength.

I think Oz will get this automatically since it's his post, but who cares, we'll leave that scoundrel* out. :)

*Likely his wife's version of the word, not the dictionary definition.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a much needed word. A sterner environment is better suited to test men's frame here so they're ready for practicing in the real world.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I really enjoy the "harshness" that one finds when in the secular TRP and MRP subs. I think at times I find myself steering away from being harsh and I don't realize it. I think that is due to being influence by sissy Christians/Christian theology and it's not congruent with how I perceive myself. It's a good reminder and I think it was needed for myself as well as others. Good word broski!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Paul said he withstood Peter to his face and called him out in front of others when he was wrong. And I bet you everything he would have laid down his life for Peter, if necessary.

Right - and why?! This is so important.

He believed Peter was hindering people from following Christ. And maybe he was! I'm reading 1 Peter everyday for this month. It's pure gold. But yes, even Peter stumbled.

But Paul wasn't arguing over nonsense - it was over the very nature of what the gospel was and could be. I hope we can all become more like Christ. I agree like you say, get into God's word, love the LORD with all your heart, mind and soul. Good luck buddy.

tag: u/Jesus, u/God, u/TheHolySpirit, u/Paul, u/Peter

[–]RedPillWonderMod | American man1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your sarcasm tags aside, the main point is that sometimes men benefit from others being "harsh" to them, to use u/WarriorJesus1915 's comment.

And it doesn't have to be about something spiritual or gospel related.

It can certainly be about the very things we talk about in this sub, which, although the gospel and one's walk with God is included, can also include how to improve their marriage and marital bed related issues, how to best attract a good spouse, etc.

I hope we can all become more like Christ.

We certainly encourage people to do that here in this sub.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo tomassi talks about this. Men today are raised by women and they are not taught how to deal with the challenges that harsh reality present. That is why men that have been raised with a father figure in their life do way better socio-economically then do boys who have been raised by women. That's why the red pill exists. Men of come together and have figured out that guys need to be challenged and need to be taught how to handle challenges. That is why men are harsh with each other and also why a lot of guys respond well to it.

[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To put it in Biblical terms:

1 Thess 5:14 We urge you, brethren, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.

Different actions for different situations.

[–]SkimTheDrossEndorsed | 38M | Married 15 yrs2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right on.

I read a post or a book now that I read 3 months ago and I get something new out of it.

[–]RPCJoeMak1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Several things come to mind as I read through your post. I try to understand where you are coming from and where others are coming from and try to put myself in their shoes as they read your post here.

People do things in life for various reasons. Sometimes they gravitate towards things and other times they push things away. People and their actions are dominated by fear, greed, love, and pain...among other things.

You started your post by talking about a certain sentiment. Then you said the sentiment was bogus...like the sentiment was a fact or something. Sentiments are just feelings. If someone feels something it is real to THEM. By calling and naming the sentiments of another person bogus, you are marginalizing and down-grading the feelings of that person. Sentiments are very real to the person who holds them as feelings. Their feelings are valid in their own mind, regardless of their ability to stand up to tests of rigor, etc. Their sentiments are as valid as your thoughts that their sentiments are bogus. Either way, we are dealing with ideas that are not concrete.

And you stating something as bogus doesn't make it so. But what it does do is something entirely different. It reveals you as one who labels and judges the feelings of another person based on your own optics. Your labeling the feelings of another person in such a way makes it clear that the sentiments of another person hold lesser value and validity in your mind. And in taking such a stand unnecessarily, you have alienated the person. You have put a stick in the eye of another.

You stated that a person can't just learn some things on t Internet and then move on in life without sliding back down toward beta. The implication is that they have to stay engaged with th particular group to get any real or lasting benefit. The tone of that paragraph has a very judgmental tone to it.

I have not written much in the past several weeks as I have had a lot of family things that have come up in my life. I was eager to get back on here and see what people have been doing. I wanted to see if anyone was sharing any new ideas or experiences. Maybe someone had a new revelation to share, etc.

When I got back here to RPC, honestly I wish I had stayed away. I was not one of the ones who talked about leaving, though I certainly could have. And the truth was that I also had those same thoughts. Why was I having those thoughts as I read back through all the posts that I had missed (or not missed). What about the posts made me wish I had stayed away?

It was all the negativity. I was all the hostility. It was the judgmental tone that occurred over over over again. It was the arrogance and conceit that dripped from the posts and comments. It was the condemnation and threatening language that frequented the responses. Certain people were being threatened and told they would be banned, etc. The whole episode was a lot of bad energy. It was a downer to read through all the hate and angst.

I think most of all though, it hurt to see Christians behaving in such a way to one another.

I thought about how I would react if I saw Christians acting this way toward on another in a local church if I walked in out of the blue and witnessed such behavior. The only thought that kept coming to mind was that, "I would not was to go back to that church again."

Was that a bogus sentiment? Was that feeling wrong? Was I mislead in how I read the posts?

I went back and read posts from two week ago to make sure I didn't take things out of context. I read pages and pages of comment sections also. No, I read them correctly alright. It was just as bad on the re-read as it was was first time.

It was disturbing reading the dialogue among Christians on here that took place during th past 10-14 days. I wanted no par of that behavior. I certainly do understand why people would want to check out of a sub. A no, it's not a bogus sentiment. People can and certainly do find other places to learn about and apply RP concepts to their Christian walk. They most-certainly don't have to hang out here and get bludgeoned into this particular brand of conformity.

I saw several threads that dealt almost entirely with the topic of RP meaning and the genesis of the term. Another post consisted almost solely of debating the meaning of another post that was from several days earlier. The comment section was an exhausting back and forth exercise that got nowhere and convinced not one single person of anything different than their original idea or position.

This is not attractive. This kind of behavior is not winning souls to Jesus. This type of banter has gone so far beyond any reasonable measure of productive value that people are seeing less value in this sub. People can just go to their regular real-life church if they wanted all this bickering.

So yeah, I totally understand why people are saying they want to leave this sub. I am saying it too. And maybe some of you are glad I am saying it. I don't always think like everyone in this sub. I have my own opinions . Ways of looking at things. People aren't treated especially well in this sub if they don't fall in line with the prevailing mindset or opinions voiced by the mods. That ok. It's their sub. They can do what they want to do. But the people can also go look for a more friendly place to hang out. And that doesn't mean their thoughts are any less valid. It doesn't mean they have disconnected thought patterns, or that they have bogus thinking. It could simply mean that they want a civil place to have have conversion.

This sub has been a lot of fun and there have been some healthy issues debated in civil discourse. But the reality is that if the balance has tipped more to rancor and hostility, then for me the marrow will have been sucked out and I will need to go find a place with better energy.

This sub has to be different for people to want to return. That's true of newbies and old-timers alike. This sub can't just be about RP. There are other RP sites and threads if a person is just looking for a more true RP vibe to frequent. This sub also has to be more than just a place for Christians to hang out. There are many other places for that end point also. There are Christian subs and prayer subs and Bible-reading subs. But this sub could possibly be an intersection for a lot of those and other related topics.

So if you really are sincere about trying to get people to hang around...and I guess that was your intent in writing this post?...to provide reasons why people should stay?...at least that's what it seemed the intent of the post was...but then it took a different turn when you assumed that guys have to keep coming back to this particular sub to prevent the inevitable beta slide...or something. The truth is that there are other places to go to stay tuned up with appropriate Alpha ratios and behaviors.

The group-think runs heavy in this sub. And for some people that's not an attractive quality.

Anyway, if you really are sincere about keep people coming back to this sub...it might be a good idea to ask what brought them here in the first place. Why did people go upstream to fin this place. Are those. Reasons still valid in their lives...or are they ready to move on after they have learned some basic Christian-centered RP stuff? I this sub staying fresh? Are there new ideas here on a regular basis? What are you doing her at this sub to attract new writers and thinkers. Are they encouraged? Or are they expected to fall in line with current thinking and awareness levels? How are newbies treated upon arrival? How long is it before a newbie gets smacked back into line by mods or others? Is there an incessant need to get people into the group-think behavior? If so, why? Why are these types of behaviors present?

It all sounds like people arguing over denominations. Be careful of the folks who have it all figured out...

If you find the answers to those types of questions, I believe you will find the answers to the questions about why people would want to unplug from this thread. People will easily unplug from anything where there is no pain-of-disconnect. So things have to be weighed out. Is the negativity here out-weighing the desire for Christian-based RP conversation, support, and encouragement? If so, what is causing the erosion in dialogue...perceived or otherwise?

If there is no pain-of-disconnect, people will have not a thought of unplugging from this or any other sub. I would make this idea my aim if I wanted to find out why people want to unplug. Telling them they need you and telling them their thoughts might be bogus won't make them want to stay.

As for me, I initially found this sub because I thought there might be a nice intersection of Christianity and RP thought and conversation. I am not so sure anymore and losing faith by the day it seems. I haven't given up yet. But things are still being weighed, so to speak.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This sounds like I'm reading a CNN article. It's chock full of highly liberal sentiment that cares more about how people feel than what's true. After listening to the audio you sent me earlier, I'm more than a little shocked to read this, as I didn't expect such leftist thinking from you.

If someone feels something it is real to THEM

No, it's not real to them. It only feels real to them. Their feelings are real. Their beliefs are not. Like u/OsmiumZulu said, no matter how hard a man feels like he is a girl, he is still a man. His feelings do not change reality.

The sentiment you're referencing was clearly stated, so let's not dance around it: “RPC isn’t a place to stay but more of something to extract the marrow from and move on.” This is either true or false. If there is never anything new to learn and such a man somehow has nothing to offer back to the community, and he also has the internal fortitude to practice what he has learned without sliding, then he may be fine to move on. If there is more to uncover from Scripture and shared stories and experiences, then this is not a place to move on from and the statement is false. Feelings have nothing to do with this.

Now, if the statement was: "Rainbows make me happy," then by all means, a person's feelings do, in fact, determine the truth and validity of the statement.

Sentiments are just feelings

Perhaps it's this singular word that got you confused about what OZ was saying. Sentiment has two different meanings. One of them is certainly related to feelings, and it is more commonly talked about as "sentimentality." The other definition of sentiment, which OZ was using, is (quoting google): "a view of or attitude toward a situation or event; an opinion." Some views, beliefs, and opinions are wrong. Not all - some things are certainly unique to each person. But if I'm of the opinion that Jesus was an arrogant know-it-all liar, I'd be wrong. Flat out, that's a wrong opinion.

negativity ... hostility ... judgmental ... arrogance and conceit ... condemning and threatening language ... hate and angst

Please, enlighten me on these comments. I can think of exactly one person's conversations who you could be referencing, and it's a guy who repeatedly undermines moderator authority and tries to convince people to leave this sub. I've seen pastors have harsher conversations over much less - and I have been chastised by the other mods for being too soft on him and giving him too many chances! Yes, this does happen in the church - and if you knew the quantity of conversations we have had with this user over multiple accounts (he always deletes one and creates another, presumably in an effort to deceive the community and the mods once he gets a bad rep), you'd probably be far more understanding.

This kind of behavior is not winning souls to Jesus

It's easy to make this kind of judgmental assumption. You're not a mod, so you don't get the praise reports of professions of faith. You don't get to hear about all the pastors whose churches are being reformed because of this place, or of the people here who have brought non-users to Christ because of the work we're doing, or the new small groups that are started, or people who have committed to join the mission field because of this place.

Around Christmas time I had looked back at what we had accomplished in a year and there were at least a dozen new believers that I know of, 17 people who had re-committed to following Christ, 9 new small groups, 2 church pastors and 3 elders from different churches who are reforming their churches because of what's taught here - and this and more all only coming from just those who have bothered to speak up and tell us. Who knows what all else is going on that we're not hearing about!

If there is no pain-of-disconnect, people will have not a thought of unplugging from this or any other sub

To reference the "or any other sub" category, MRP, TRP, and their respective "ask" subs all seem to have rapidly growing numbers, yet are among the most hostile places on the internet that I've seen. Pretty much everyone who asks even intelligible questions are called "autist" and "fag" and "beta" and accused of all kinds of horrible things. Nevertheless, when I first found TRP it was at 200k members, and it had nearly half a million last I saw before the numbers were taken down from the quarantine. When I first found MRP, there were only 10k members. They're currently sitting at 24,508 - over double!

Something tells me the "feel good, make everyone fall in love with you, develop co-dependency" approach isn't the only way to get people coming back. Those are cheap manipulative strategies that liberals use because they don't have any other way of keeping people returning. Truth is what will keep people coming back here. Cold, hard truth. That doesn't mean we're being mean for the sake of being mean - but u/RedPillWonder wrote up a much better comment on that topic than I'd care to re-hash here.

I thought there might be a nice intersection of Christianity and RP thought and conversation

It is not meant to be that intersection. It is meant to be a Christian sub that appeals to a red pilled crowd by showing through shared language that the Bible had all their ideas first.

As with the last time you posted around here, I do find it ironic that you are doing exactly what you accuse everyone else of doing. You are trying to shame people on this sub for the conversations that have been held. You are accusing us of being hostile and arrogant, while simultaneously having a hostile agenda against us and presenting yourself as someone who is better than everyone else and who hasn't decided if he's too good for this place or not, if only we could somehow rise to your level. You accuse us of threatening to ban someone, then make the threat of leaving and suggesting that other people should want to leave too.

I respect you and the things you're doing. I believe you have a lot to offer the Christian community and would love to spur your efforts on. But don't crap all over the work we're doing here, thereby advancing the very hostility and disunity that you accuse us of advancing. And please: don't let liberal ideologies cloud the way you think about how church people "should" behave. Take a good read at RPW's comment here and think about all the stern words that the apostles and Jesus gave people and recognize that it doesn't have to be fluffy feelings and rainbows and butterflies all the time - and that if there is someone who is a danger to the community, that has to be taken seriously.

Tag: /u/Deep_Strength - because OZ already tagged the others.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

“RPC isn’t a place to stay but more of something to extract the marrow from and move on.” This is either true or false.

We both agreed that there are many ways and this is A way. I already wished you success.

I can think of exactly one person's conversations who you could be referencing, and it's a guy who repeatedly undermines moderator authority and tries to convince people to leave this sub. I've seen pastors have harsher conversations over much less - and I have been chastised by the other mods for being too soft on him and giving him too many chances!

If we are talking about me, speak plainly. Even my reply to this post, which essentially again said - focus on God... what would be my bannable offense. Telling people to value God's word above all else to the exclusion of all else? Or not agreeing 100% with the mods? I may have made a few sarcastic remarks out of the 100s of times I've posted - but I RARELY (I would guess maybe 1% or less of my posts) have attacked any person or referred to anyone personally - it's typically a debate of ideas, which I think will either strengthen your case or weaken your case.

A healthy counter argument, just like I said below in the heroes/villians comment, only strengthens your arguments. So if my "undermining" - which I honestly don't believe I'm doing - I gave counter arguments to bring up ideas.

I did find a lot of value here - I stated it many times, I do occassionally pop on here and read things - the OP directly called out my statement as if it was a dumb idea, it's not - I explained below. His counter to my statement was just "OH you have a lot to say". Which was telling. The debate of ideas, he doesn't want to get into. Instead he's trying to say, "Oh you said you're leaving and you're not".

As I said and MEANT... good luck, I hope you continue to have success and I have found great value in what you've done. I'm happy you didn't ban me as that would have been kind of odd but if that's what the mods wanted, I guess, great. But it would have been odd.

[–]SkimTheDrossEndorsed | 38M | Married 15 yrs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got too much time on your hands.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If we are talking about me, speak plainly

I didn't want to call you out and make you look bad, if I could avoid it. But yes, I'm referencing you.

what would be my bannable offense

Concern trolling. I have no problem with the message you preach. What I don't approve of is the way you present it as an either/or and encourage people to leave this sub.

Imagine if I walked into a church and started preaching to everyone: "We should love each other. This church likes to talk about a lot of other things, but at the end of the day we should really just be loving each other. You don't need to stay at this church because once you've learned whatever this pastor has to preach, you can leave and be fine on your own by just knowing how to love people." No pastor will disagree with his message. But such an attitude is toxic to the community all the same. Such a person would be addressed calmly, as we have done with you for months, and then ultimately asked to leave if he won't stop.

Instead he's trying to say, "Oh you said you're leaving and you're not".

He's not trying anything. He was literally quoting you and noting that you didn't follow through on what you said.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say I would never read a post again. I would never make such a lofty claim. I found the OP post to be very simple-minded and the only reason I commented on it was to clarify in case some men were curious what was meant by the original phrase. I am not a hypocrite and I am a man of my word. But I’m not going to have internet strangers judge me. I will entrust myself to the judge who judges justly. If God thinks I’m trolling you guys by saying “make God great” or that I’m being a hypocrite by coming here and explaining that i meant to read Gods word more and to seek his kingdom first- that is my hypocritical offense then great. God can judge if I’m doing right or wrong. Im not going to place value in someone creating a post specifically to refute something I said with the primary objective of pursuing God with all your heart.

I do find it interesting that you al think I’m this hypocrite, undermining, evil doer but my message is quite simple- trust in God, wall by the spirit. RPCJoeMak at least looked at the situation as an disinterested party and could see the dangers in the behavior going on.

But this is group think. Everyone is thinking the same thing except for a few people. It makes a lot of sense actually. There’s a single nearrative and those who don’t follow are quickly ushered out until the echo chamber is complete.

I wished you all luck and went on my way. I will always occasionally read as I check for valuable ideas. I never claimed that I would never read anything on the site again. It would be more like I scan things once or twice a month instead of a many times per week. I occasionally still watch Rollo to see if he has new insights. But yes, I am cutting my Red Pill time down by maybe 98%. And yes, I am stopping posting. This was just to clarify.

Will I ever post again? Probably not unless I have an extremely important message that I can communicate well (which I don’t) or if someone directly calls me out (as this post did) and I happen to see it on a day I scan through reddit.

Good luck In your journey. I’m glad you didn’t ban me. I don’t think it would have been a good move.

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

By calling and naming the sentiments of another person bogus, you are marginalizing and down-grading the feelings of that person.

Exactly. Some feelings are stupid and should be marginalized and downgraded, especially harmful or useless ones. Example: I don't care how much someone feels they are a transgender, the fact is they are sick and should be dealt with accordingly, not be placated by entertaining them in their disillusion.

It reveals you as one who labels and judges the feelings of another person based on your own optics.

Yup, I do that. So does literally every person on this planet who draws breath. We are not told not to judge, but to judge rightly.

Your labeling the feelings of another person in such a way makes it clear that the sentiments of another person hold lesser value and validity in your mind.

Yup. Some ideas and feelings are of lesser value and validity.

You stated that a person can't just learn some things on the Internet and then move on in life without sliding back down toward beta. The implication is that they have to stay engaged with a particular group to get any real or lasting benefit.

If you learn something, anything, and never return to the fundamentals you are probably going to suffer for it. A Christian who learns the gospel of the cross but never goes back to study it again will backslide the vast majority of the time. Someone who learns long division by hand and never practices it or reviews the lessons will eventually forget the method. I don't care if someone just lurks and never interacts or engages with RPC as a community, but they do themselves a disservice to treat this as a "one and done" rather than an ongoing practice.

The tone of that paragraph has a very judgmental tone to it.

That's because I was being judgmental.

When I got back here to RPC, honestly I wish I had stayed away... It was all the negativity. I was all the hostility. It was the judgmental tone that occurred over over over again. It was the arrogance and conceit that dripped from the posts and comments. It was the condemnation and threatening language that frequented the responses. Certain people were being threatened and told they would be banned, etc. The whole episode was a lot of bad energy. It was a downer to read through all the hate and angst... I think most of all though, it hurt to see Christians behaving in such a way to one another.

Toughen up snowflake. The circle-jerking "wipe eachother's tears and never offend anyone" churchianity is what lead us to this absolute mess of a culture today. Some of us see that and are sick of it. If you can't handle what ultimately amounts to mild push back, this probably isn't the place for you.

This sub has to be different for people to want to return.

Maybe we don't want those people to return unless they are different.

Anyway, if you really are sincere about keep people coming back to this sub...

I frankly don't care if they come or go. What I want to be clear on is that people can't treat this stuff as a simple download and move on and expect it to work out well. You will never get good at a sport unless you nail the fundamentals, and the best athletes constantly review and retrain on those fundamentals.

Anyway, if you really are sincere about keep people coming back to this sub...it might be a good idea to ask what brought them here in the first place.

Here's the fundamental issue with you and others who want to change this sub. People are coming here because it is one of the few places where Christians can shoot one another straight on the topic of sex, without fear of offense or people holding back. This is why we've steadily grown. If we let this place turn into yet another cupcakes and rainbow factory where men, who are struggling in their marriage to the point of divorce, are given empty platitudes ("just seek the kingdom!", "All you need is Jesus!" etc etc) then it will have fundamentally failed and people will stop coming here. Your approach is the danger to this sub, and I don't have any intentions of letting this place turn into your soft sissy feelfest uptopia.

u/red-curious u/redpillwonder u/rocknrollchuck

Feel free to weigh in and rip me up if you think i'm over the line here.

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Toughen up snowflake. The circle-jerking

are given empty platitudes ("just seek the kingdom!"

Two points.

  1. You realize the term you are using has its origination in group masturbation practices, right?

  2. I never thought I would see the day where Christian men would say things like, Jesus quotes like “Seek Gods kingdom first and his righteousness” are EMPTY PLATITUDES.

You are right. We are different. You have little humility. Your thoughts are also foolish. To say a sub will fail by emphasizing Gods word is the dumbest thing you could ever say. Your sub will come and go but the Word of God will last forever.

You’re so confused.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

On the second point I'm guessing you missed the context. That phrase is so often used and there is no longer any practical meaning behind it anymore due to feminism seeping into the Church. That is what he was saying.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we let this place turn into yet another cupcakes and rainbow factory where men, who are struggling in their marriage to the point of divorce, are given empty platitudes ("just seek the kingdom!", "All you need is Jesus!" etc etc) then it will have fundamentally failed and people will stop coming here.

I died!! Really lol'd. Prolly woke a certain someone from their nap. Your comment on the whole was spot on! No need to rip you up, but I'll give you a pat on the back.

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First off, it was great to read this as I thought I was surely the only one who noticed these things. Contrary to belief of the mods or group, I don't want to undermine or do anyone harm. As you pointed out, the honest objections I had were true. I did, in reading God's word and tryinig to walk by the Spirit, feel that I could help some men with what I said. RedCurious did fairly point out, which I did agree, there are multiple paths, that this forum is A way. So I am not going to be critical of something that can work for men. I come from a single male point of view, which is different than a married guy who is trying to use the red pill to improve marriage relationships. I've openly and humbled stated, I have NO idea how to handle this and didn't even claim to. My last post was for "Single men who follow Jesus". So yes, I don't see what I've done that warrants a "ban him" type of debate but apparently many of the mods want me banned.

I was leaving the sub in a way. I am a reader - I do find reading valuable ideas helpful. I do occassionally stop by the scan things to see if there is anything valuable. When I saw a post directly judging and calling me out, sure - I'll bite. I commented below my thoughts, which quicky gets negative votes for saying "read God's word". It's kind of hilarious that I am the judgmental guy trying to ruin the sub by saying things like, "Seek God's kingdom" and "walk by the spirit". It kind of baffles me.

You have accurately pointed out that some of the behavior is not in line with the Spirit. Attacking each other is not the best way to go. I've realzied that, while my objections were fair, I shouldn't attack their way - if their way works, great. I stick to my objections though.

I did say I used this thread impersonally and thought others did the same. RedCurious quickly pointed out that I was projecting my insecurity. This is possibly true. But I don't think most men on here use this forum personally with real relationships. I think that is good. I've come to value less the impersonal and the internet as I grew up with it, and now value the personal and the face to face. One of the posters offered to skype me (warrior) - it was a kind gesture and I would say very Christ-like. I don't think this forum to be bad and don't wish ill on anyone.

I do agree that group think runs heavy as you said.

It all sounds like people arguing over denominations. Be careful of the folks who have it all figured out...

So true.

As for me, I initially found this sub because I thought there might be a nice intersection of Christianity and RP thought and conversation. I am not so sure anymore and losing faith by the day it seems. I haven't given up yet. But things are still being weighed, so to speak.

I hope it works for people and I think it's necessary for people. If a man is blue pilled, he is in deep trouble. The issue that I wrestle with is - what do you do after the red pill. I hope you don't give up and hope you find success.

It was good to hear your ideas. I think your sentiments are valuable. I believe they are likely the Holy Spirit convincting you that we should love each other. I agree!

Good luck friend.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Bro, what happened to you?! This is NOT the RPCJoeMak I remember. Is everything ok with you man? Genuinely asking. It sounds like you're confusing what the world says reality should be vs what reality actually is. Your comment sounds very touchy feely.....

Judge not....Actually the Bible does call us to judge, but culture has done a good job at trying too confuse us.

  • “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Matt 7:1-2

Everyone is equal. Everyone's thoughts and emotions equally AND important (valid). ---> Sounds like a hefty dose of BP culture to me.

  • Some thoughts are inferior as are some people. Not everyone is created equal. Same with someone's emotions and thoughts. Life is tough. You either adapt and overcome or continue being miserable. The only thing that genuine Christians are equal in is eternal life.

Let's protect everyone's feelings because everyone is a winner. - Let's Accept everybody. Be nice to everybody. Don't be rough. Don't argue. Don't be controversial. Welcome everyone with a gentle warm fuzzy hug. If it's not nice then it has no place in here.

  • This is exactly why TRP exists. Westernized societies are going to crap because of this mentality. Men raised by women are not taught how to cope with a harsh world. Now we have pissed off soyboys going nuclear and shooting up schools because they didn't have a dad to teach them how to deal with reality. We are NOT here to cater to the masses and make everyone feel warm & fuzzy. If someone can't take rebuke or exhortation then they can take a seat or leave. We don't everyone! RPC exists to help BP Christian guys to unplug form the matrix and help them understand how culture has twisted scriptures to fit their narrative. Gal 1:10 comes to mind. "For am I now trying to please men....."

Bad energy. Bad energy here. Bad energy is the comments. Bad energy....

  • Surprise, the world is a harsh place and to top it of Jesus will come on a white horse, flaming sword, bloody robe, to strike down the nations. You either get tougher and adapt or live in the matrix. Also, sounds like something I would hear from Joel Osteen would say.

I saw several threads that dealt almost entirely with the topic of RP meaning and the genesis of the term. Another post consisted almost solely of debating the meaning of another post that was from several days earlier. The comment section was an exhausting back and forth exercise that got nowhere and convinced not one single person of anything different than their original idea or position.

I guess you didn't read my comment nor did you read OP's response to me.

This is not attractive. This kind of behavior is not winning souls to Jesus. This type of banter has gone so far beyond any reasonable measure of productive value that people are seeing less value in this sub. People can just go to their regular real-life church if they wanted all this bickering.

RPC isn't attractive to the world...surprise. Neither is TRP to the world, but they have arrived at the same conclusion and we have both found out what works, which happens to involve being harsh with guys (something they never learned because their mom sheltered them their whole life - this is why we have a bunch of soyboys running around confused over why they can't get any pus**).

So yeah, I totally understand why people are saying they want to leave this sub. I am saying it too.

This sub is NOT for everybody. We are not here to cater to the masses nor placate to the way they feel about us here. TRP is controversial, that is part of the appeal. Likewise, the Gospel is also controversial and not everyone will accept Jesus or find Him attractive.

A quarter of the way through reading your comment I got the distinct impression that you swallowed TBP while you were gone. Everything alright?

[–]RPCJoeMak0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the note. I am doing fine here. Staying busy working with local guys on their awareness issues. We are starting up another group in 4 weeks. That will be our 4th group in a year. We have 30 guys now. Another group will get us right around 40 I figure. Great guys working on tough issues.

[–]RPCJoeMak0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I will pick up my audio product at the publisher on Thursday. The first case will be for 50 units. We have the 2nd product underway also. It has been a lot of fun working on these materials. I have about 50 pages of course materials and content that I have developed during the classes and that has taken a lot of time, but it's been a great ride so far. The basic materials are the same for each class, but the application of those items is implemented differently for each group. Each group has different things they are working with and struggling with, so it's not a cookie-cutter deal at all. Making a huge difference in the local guys here.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's awesome man! Hope God uses you to to add many men to the kingdom of heaven:)

[–]RPCJoeMak1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for th note. I am still reaching guys in my little corner of the world. I just got my first Audio Product back from the publisher on Friday. We will see where it all goes.

Compassionate Alpha

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweet! Let me know what develops :)

[–]RPCJoeMak0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I haven't had a chance to follow up with you here recently. Last time we talked you wanted to start up a local group in your area. How is that coming along? Is that still a project you are pursuing? Let me know if you need any help with materials or whatever.

[–]WarriorJesus1915Endorsed; Mission-Minded | 30M0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for asking brotha! I'm still at it. It's still small. 2-5 guys average. I'm holding a group once a week, but I'm thinking about dialing it back to every other week.

[–]RPCJoeMak1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey man, that's great. You started a group and are headed down the trail. That's more than most guys are doing. Keep your head up and keep doing it. Let me know if I can be of help.

Compassionate Alpha

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I believe I was the first one to pen this line.

I still believe it.

Man, especially the modern variety, is prone to forgetting truth. In fact, we constantly forget important things. This is why God has to teach Israel the same lessons, over and over and over.

Right, this is why I said to get deep into God's word.

In Matthew 22, Jesus was asked the question, what is the greatest commandent?

37Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I also can summarize everything I've learned in the Red Pill rather succinctly -

But seek first WOMEN/BEAUTY/SEX his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

16So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.

I don't believe it's possible to pursue God with your whole heart, walk by the Spirit and also place women on a pedestal and supplicate to the feminine imperative.

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

Apparently this concept is not complex enough for some men. However, it works for me. There is a flaw to think there is a single path - that somehow what I'm saying is either THE way or NOT the way. There are many paths.

You should always be a student.

Yup.

31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”

32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”

33 Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”

34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

For a guy who just “left” this sub behind you sure seem to have a lot to say

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Sure, I love God's word. I will say it as much as I can. Everything I wrote above is from God's word or based on it.

I didn't leave the sub behind. I just don't find it as useful as God's word. You called out my statement and made it into a strawman, almost making it seem like I said - don't try to constantly learn/improve, that I don't understand people forget or need reminders- your interpretation of my critique is why I don't find it useful. It's low IQ arguments.

Your post:

  • we should always be students
  • we need to be reminding of important stuff

well, sure.

The reason good stories are good is because you have a strong hero and an equally strong villian. Your arguments have such a weak villian, the opposing argument is a criple.

It's clear that people need reminding and need to learn, no one would argue with that... what's the opposition? Stop learning forever! Never be reminded of important things because humans never forget anything! lol

The nuance of what I'm suggesting is more along the lines of the minutes spent on the Red Pill vs the minutes spent in God's word.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your same argument could be made about going to church. It's more important to be in God's Word than meet with other believers, so at some point we should stop meeting together with other believers and just focus on reading the Bible for ourselves, right? And yet God's Word tells us just the opposite: "Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing."

You neglect the fact that, first and foremost, this place is founded on God's Word. The advice we give here is not from secular ideologies that war against blue pill cultural practices - we are preaching an application of the Word, whether we include the citations or not. Pastors do the same thing. They teach God's Word, whether they include a citation for every sentence or not.

What's more interesting is that /u/OsmiumZulu called you out on a clear lie and instead of OYS ("You're right, I said I was leaving, but I'm still here. I lied.") and moving on, you DEER and deflect.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No one can serve two masters.

Right. But no one is suggesting making sex our master, and we're already agreed not to make the feminine imperative our master either. We're all on the same page on tihs point.

There is a flaw to think there is a single path - that somehow what I'm saying is either THE way or NOT the way.

This sub has never pretended to be THE only way. You're actually stealing a line from my discipleship book, referenced on the sidebar, which applies to this sub as well: "What I present here is not THE way, but A way. If God puts you on a better path, go with that path. For everyone else, use this as a default until something better comes along." In the case of this sub, "better" means you're getting the results out of life that you want - the fruit you bear for the kingdom, the respect your wife gives you, improved satisfaction in one's sex life, etc. Some men are already bearing incredible fruit and just need to figure out the sex stuff. Others are having great sex, but needed help getting respect from their wife. We figure out what the needs are, and if it's in our wheelhouse, we help. That's all.

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This sub has never pretended to be THE only way. You're actually stealing a line from my discipleship book, referenced on the sidebar, which applies to this sub as well: "What I present here is not THE way, but A way.

I agree. And I openly will say when I am wrong - it is wrong for me to say that your way is wrong, if I did, I apologize. I just am finding a new way. I hope your way works well for you.

If God puts you on a better path, go with that path. For everyone else, use this as a default until something better comes along." In the case of this sub, "better" means you're getting the results out of life that you want - the fruit you bear for the kingdom, the respect your wife gives you, improved satisfaction in one's sex life, etc. Some men are already bearing incredible fruit and just need to figure out the sex stuff. Others are having great sex, but needed help getting respect from their wife. We figure out what the needs are, and if it's in our wheelhouse, we help. That's all.

Yup. I have stopped criticizing your way or even your help. I agreed that your way helps men.

The only reason I even posted this reply is because the OP is trying to paint out my fair criticism (which is that - MY way) doesn't involve constantly reinforcing the Red Pill. I have agreed that the Red Pill is infinitely better than the blue pill. I also believe that some men didn't need to be red pilled because they grew up with masculine roles and masculinity - they already embody the red pill - which was my point, the red pill is great because the blue pill is awful.

As you and I both have said there are many ways - I hope your way continues to help men. It helped me. Good luck.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Right - but I want to be clear for anyone else who reads this: when you say you are finding "a new way" that is still in the context of being single and not having sex, right? So, while your way may work for your immediate aim, it doesn't have any proven track record for being able to improve a man's ability to attract women or improve a broken sex life in marriage, correct?

And I'm not saying this as an insult, but as a statement of fact to show the limited context in which you are living and that you have yet to mention what the results are of this "new way." I know many men who are perfectly content and even spiritually joyful while rejecting anything to do with the red pill - it's on r/TrueChristian all the time. But these same men are often single or in dead bedroom marriages, finding joy in Christ to replace their bitterness at a sexless wife. While I applaud their newfound emotional stability through non-RP means (and therefore, as a matter of technicality, unintentionally non biblical means), it still does nothing to actually fix their "forever alone" status or dead bedroom marriage.

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My way is independent of sex.

That’s the whole point. I’ve stated clearly that my way is NOT to maximize sex or even have sex as an objective. It’s to maximize Christ and if sex comes, great. If not, great. This literally is why I’ve said seek Gods Kingdom as my primary goal truly is my rudder. I’m letting God decide the rest.

I have never- not once- claimed to be able to fix or even claimed what I’m saying is good for relationships. You can search through anything I’ve written. You even said once, what’s your endgame and I said plainly, I don’t have an endgame. Christ is the endgame. That’s all I got.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right. I'd suggest that whatever your way of "maximizing Christ" is, it's going to fall short of what God actually intends for your life if you're not accounting for how to maintain healthy biblical relationships and sexual expression in your model.

You're like a business coach trying to show guys how to have successful careers. You go to an AA meeting and say, "That's all good guys. Learn everything AA has to offer, because alcoholism can certainly get in the way of having a successful career. But I've never been an alcoholic. I haven't even had a drink before. I don't need AA to be a successful businessman, and you shouldn't either. After all, every businessman knows that being an alcoholic can ruin your career. If you just stuck to the fundamentals of business you'd learn that, so that's all you need to know. So, whatever you feel like learning from AA, learn it and get out before you get distracted from the real important stuff: being successful businessmen."

  1. Do you think it's really good for those guys who have a life-time pattern of alcoholism to just abandon what's holding them accountable after they've acquired the tools AA teaches? Or do you think they should stick around and maintain relationships that are holding them accountable?

  2. Do you really think that world-class business experts who have studied human nature through the lens of business techniques and practices will be more equipped to help a guy cure his alcoholism than someone who studies the same patterns of human nature through the lens of helping alcoholics conquer alcoholism?

  3. Do you really think the true alcoholics who can't get their butt off the side of the street because they've blown every dime they have on booze, and they've lost custody of their kids, got fired from their jobs, had their family members disown them, etc. - that they care one bit about being successful businessmen in the face of this raging problem that's destroying their lives?

The way you talk just sounds unbearably arrogant and unsympathetic, like you have no clue what anyone here has struggled through. And you don't have a clue. But I tell you: those alcoholics, once they've mastered their troubles and have gone on to study business and advance in a career, will have a lot more to offer the business community than the guy who has only ever viewed business from a businessman's lens - and yet they will still be attending those AA meetings faithfully and be happy they never left.

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Time out. Ive never claimed that what I’m saying with either work or that everyone should do what I’m saying. How can I be arrogant if I’m openly saying I could be wrong. The only thing I’m putting any value in is Gods word. If the advice I’ve stated is my own then ignore it. The only things I’ve mentioned of my own were getting out of the technology world into the real world, which I’ve found beneficial and Gods word doesn’t talk about the dangers of social media or Facebook. When I wrote my prescriptions for action, it was to get into the word, get into fellowship and try to be like Christ. None of that is arrogant.

I even titled my posts as, ideas for single guys as I’ve said many times I don’t have any idea about marriage. Do you honestly think I believe or have stated I know how to fix a mans marriage? Nope. I also said, what I’m saying may not work for sex. Nothing about what I’m saying is extreme.

Openly I say: I know nothing about marriage or how to repair marriage AND I would 100% recommend learning from others who have succeeded in it or succeeding in fixing it. I am not your enemy. I hope your advice helps people and it has helped me. I’m not saying good luck as a catch phrase, I really hope God blesses you and continues to have you help men. I’m sure you are. I honestly wish you well and hope your sub goes well, your book, everything. If I am lying then hopefully God curses me but I am not.

I think an AA guy should go to the meetings because they need it. We already said multiple times different men will have different paths. Whatever works. I will say clearly now- if men find use in coming to this forum 365 days a year, that’s great, do it. If more or less, whatever works. In the end, to God be the glory.

I am a man and like sex and hope God can help me with that situation. But I’ve put it on the altar for now.

Grace and peace bro. Good luck.

[–]Red-CuriousMod | 34M | Married 11 yrs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

None of that is arrogant.

No, the arrogance is in degrading the utility and value of men maintaining long-term relationships and accountability in a place like this by telling them they ought to leave once they've learned a few things, and yet without having any empathy or regard for their personal circumstances and why they might be here in the first place.

You may try to couch it with phrases like, "I think" or "this is just my view," but everyone intuitively understands this as an effort to persuade them to adopt your own view, which is backed up by the fact that you spend the rest of the time in your posts trying to convince them to do just that.

What if this sub is what's keeping a guy focused on the mission of disciple-making and away from his porn addiction and keeping him from cheating on his wife? Then he reads your post and decides, "That guy is right. I've learned what this place has to teach, so I can move on and not need to come back." Then, without that accountability or continued study and learning, he ends up losing his self-control, cheats on his wife, delves back into porn, and abandons his life of ministry. That's on you.

I have seen this happen, and it's not pretty. I have met 2 guys face-to-face who were doing fine, then they stopped reading and engaging here, and soon after they're back into porn and haven't done much to pursue their God-given mission, and their wife was no longer having sex with them, which contributed to their porn problem. After meeting with me, they get back on track and are moving in a right direction again, after engaging with our community once more. And you're encouraging more guys to take that same risk? It's this total non-consideration that comes off as arrogant - as if you think some pie in the sky "just live by the Holy Spirit" is some magical phrase that will solve everyone's problems.

And then when they have no clue what that means, and trying to live out that advice ends up getting them in trouble, what are you going to do but wash your hands of them and say, "Well, obviously you weren't following the Holy Spirit the right way if you ended up like this"?

This is what u/OsmiumZulu was trying to teas out in this post, but you don't seem to care enough to give a passing thought to the struggles other men go through. You teach what works for you and suggest it as "advice" and "suggestions" for other men to follow, but like a woman you try to couch your phrases with enough plausible deniability that you can deny any responsibility when your advance leads someone down the garbage shoot: "He didn't have to take my advice. It was only a suggestion, he's ultimately responsible for figuring out what works for him." This is why James says that teachers will be judged more harshly, brother - and that's not a thing I take lightly as I teach here and IRL.

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agree to disagree.

I find it hilarious that when I quote things Jesus said to guide people's lives you call them platitudes or pie in the sky magical phrases.

Don't worry - you and the mods will be happy to know that I am forever silenced. It's sad we couldn't part peacefully - but I think that's part of the reason I don't like this sub.

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

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