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The "Men Prefer" Controversy

July 26, 2018

A recent blog post from a relatively obscure site stirred up waves of controversy in the online Christian community. The post is titled Men Prefer Debt-Free Virgins Without Tattoos.

The short post is rather simple and straight forward. The author rightly asserts that young women who aspire to be wives and mothers ought to avoid debt and promiscuity, as men prefer women without this baggage. To do this, the author suggests that young women think carefully before going to college, as colleges promote both debt and promiscuity.

Obvious, no?

Evidently not. This post went viral and has been shared more than 214,000 times. One place it was shared was on the Reformed Pub facebook group. This group has over 20,000 members and adheres to conservative confessions of evangelical faith (West Minster, London Baptist Confession, Heidelberg, etc). Theologically speaking, there is much to be praised about the content of the group. In other words, this is not the place one should expect to find schools of spineless evangellyfish.

After being linked, the post generated approximately 400 comments before the admin team locked it down. White knights came storming out of their castles to defend indebted sluts. If a post that is so obviously self-evident can cause this much controversy among conservatives, one can only imagine what the reaction would be if some of our RP content were linked there.

After the thread was locked, another poster astutely pointed out the massive double standard that exists within the church today. The pointed out that if someone had posted something to the effect of, "Women Prefer Men With Decent Jobs Who Don't Look At Porn" they would have been universally applauded without push back.

Anyone who doubts the deep reaching influence of feminism in the church should dispel themselves of that false understanding. Feminism is cancer. Like cancer, feminism takes once healthy women within the church and deforms them. Then it begins to replicate and grow into a tumor, eventually spreading from there and infecting other areas of the body. The analogy continues. Your immune system thinks cancer cells are still part of the body and will not attack them. Similarly, the church thinks "christian" feminists are still part of the body and will not attack them, allowing the cancer to spread unchecked and ultimately killing the body.

There is an increasingly promising cancer treatment method where a patient is given a pill (...sound familiar?) that allows the immune system to "see" the cancerous cells for what they are and it begins to attack and remove them.

I like to think these pills are colored red.

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Title The "Men Prefer" Controversy
Author OsmiumZulu
Upvotes 19
Comments 21
Date July 26, 2018 7:54 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RPChristians
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[–]Deep_StrengthMod | Married | deepstrength.wordpress.com4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing

[–]SteelSharpensSteelEndorsed, MRP Mod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Solid posts!

[–]Stryker72003 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This article is just one more example of how deeply feminised the church has become. The article did NOT say that men REQUIRED those things, only that they PREFERRED them. One of the largest core teachings in western churches today is this mindset that "Jesus loves you for who you are". I find this teaching is mostly seen as a theme in a lot of worship music, but it comes across many pulpits as well. Jesus never said this. Does he love us? Yes. He also said "If you love me, you will obey my commandments" (John 14:15). Congregates today want to be loved without bounderies, but as I quoted above, Christ expects you to obey Him and his commandments.

The combination of the culture telling women they should have no consequences for action and the message of free love and that Christ loves you as you are have combined to create a mindset that women cannot be held accountable for ANYTHING. And it disgusts me as it is heresy to the nth degree.

[–]IronMonk483 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This post showed up on my fb page. The comments were depressing. Mostly women, (and some white knights) were attacking God, the Bible and the patriarchy. They were also calling out men who had tattoos and slept around.

I got completely flooded with negative responses when I made the comment "I honestly would love a woman like this for my wife".

It's sad to see women so lost in our society. Even Christian women. What's so bad about being pure, debt free and all natural!??

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

“For in much wisdom is much vexation, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.” ‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭ESV‬‬

It can be hard to see the truth plainly when others cannot see what is right in front of them at all. I can attest firsthand though that not all is lost and that wife worthy women, while rare, can still be found. Now go grab a handful of red pills and pass them out.

[–]IronMonk481 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Show me where these women are. He who finds a wife is favored by God. Am I not favored? I'd like to believe I am!

[–]OsmiumZuluMod | Tulip Peddler | Married 6y[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Typically they are found deeply embedded in small conservative churches / Christian communities. They come with their own baggage (sexual reservations, naivety, or other similar hang ups), but welcome to fallen humanity.

The good news is that these girls often have men in their life (fathers, brothers, pastors, etc) who want them to find and marry a solid man they can be proud to endorse. Thus, a good strategy can be to befriend and win over the older and influential men in the church and sometimes they will help steer you toward these women with their blessing.

The trick is, you really do have to be a solid catch.

Edit: oh and if you live on either coast, seriously consider moving inland.

[–]matrixtospartanatLV2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Two verses, out of context, sprang to my mind:

Isaiah 36:12

Isaiah 59:10

More to the point, none of this surprises me anymore.

Yes, we should resist, create pockets of peace and safety for those who believe, or would believe, (and we don’t get to know definitively who that is before the mark of the believer during the tribulation), but nothing we do will stop the earth from its pangs of birthing the anti-christ.

We look at everything going on and shake our heads.

From a theological perspective it all makes perfect sense.

I like this sub. I’m glad it’s here. I’ve even thought of joining it.

Soon, your subscribers will double to ~1600 members, in a matter of months. In the last week alone, you’ve increased by ~50 members. That says a lot. People are searching. They’re hungry and thirsty, for the truth.

I’ve not finished the sidebar, and I’ve not read yet 100 posts, but I do have a couple of questions for you because you seem to be a big contributor here.

What are you thoughts, from a theological perspective, of the Left Behind series by LaHaye and Jenkins, started 23 years ago?

In all of my reading here, I have yet to come across any end-times prophecy. Why is that?

Not out of fear, or doom and gloom, but wouldn’t an understanding of the BIG picture help in putting all this in perspective?

I’ve read that there are many tools for us to use in the RP toolbox. As Christians, we have less tools to use. And these are tools we use to ‘fix’, or deconstruct the ravages of feminism and the problems it creates between the genders. Do I have that right?

But what about the BIGGER picture? Isn’t feminism just ONE tool that Satan uses to deconstruct GOD’s creation?

Using the tool analogy, if we become specialists at working on only the electrical system in the car, wouldn’t we be even better if we understood the engine as the source of the electricity and could work on it as well?

TRP was born out of a need for a sexual strategy.

RPC was born out of a need for a much-needed Christian perspective on sexual strategy.

As Christians, would there be anything to be learned from a discussion and understanding of end-times prophesy, in the context of this sub?

Nobody mentions it.

Maybe I just haven’t found the memo, yet.

[–]redwall925 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll throw my idea out in relation to the lack of end-times threads/discussion in this sub. It's probably my eyes lacking in faith that will make me say this. Baptists may slaughter me for not looking forward to a rapture. Presby's may take shots at me for not pushing for a grand finale that is ushered as Christ's Kingdom becomes more normal day by day as His followers use the normal means of grace and influence the world.

But personally ... after finding the RP ... I think RP is about living in the here and now more than the past or the future. Sure ... you analyze the past in order to make course adjustments. Sure ... you engage in planning for the future. Look in the mirror. Do I want to be here in 2 years/5 years? Make course adjustments to get where you want to go.

The action. The act of acting. This is where RP rubs against most men today and their problems. Men are trained to not act. Men are trained to not make people unhappy. Men are trained - and Christianity can be used to do this - to suffer because suffering is what we are called to do. Suffer because we don't know how to act or aren't strong enough to act the way we know we should. Just suffer, because ... suffering's good right?

The Rapture will end it all. I'm in. Rapture away!

The Kingdom will come to fruition. I just need to keep my side of the covenant, and I'm in. Post-mill/a-mill away!

I know I'm not doing justice to anybody's view. I know that eschatology when rightly understood will inform my day-to-day actions as much as most other "-ologyies."

RP focuses on acting today. What action are YOU (man) going to do today.

[–]Stryker72002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no doubt in my mind that ones viewpoint on Eschatology impacts their daily life. However, I have seen people on both side (Dispensationalist & Partial Preterist/A-Mill etc) become negative. The dispensationalist in a "the world is going to hell anyway" point of view and the post/a-mills going hyper election route "If they are elect they will be elect, doesn't matter what I do".

I think both sides are capable of missing the point on Eschatology if they dive into it too far and too one-minded. It is good to keep eschatology in mind and their is nothing wrong with studying it, we know we are blessed by studying the book of Revelation, but this should come after our complete devotion to living a christian life, focusing on our daily walk, and living in the present first and foremost. I'd say most christians need to work on this first and then study eschatology after.

[–]helaughsinhiddenEndorsed | 40M | Married 21yr | 5 kids4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In all of my reading here, I have yet to come across any end-times prophecy. Why is that?

This sub is dedicated to helping men find their manhood and win in marriage. Posts about pre/mid/post tribulation rapture, the day of his return, identifying who the antichrist or beast is, or other theological stuff like infant baptism, sovereign grace, already have many homes and communities. As a real person who is alive in this moment, if my house isn't in order, those things are honestly difficult to find energy for in the first place. Satan truly found a powerful weapon by enticing our own wives to rebel against us (female empowerment). It was his first attack in the garden and it's always been the hardest for use to overcome because he knows the flesh of a man is prone to be passive (beta).

I think of my brother. He in many ways preceded my in faith in Christ. He wanted to have an "egalitarian" marriage and have an empowered family. Well, she hated him for it. Went ice cold in the bedroom, ice cold in the relationship, walked all over him and made all the decisions, and she became the breadwinner and left him to be more of a house-husband. Then, he became depressed, turned to porn, was bitter and sarcastic, it became a negative feedback loop of crap. During this time, he was suicidal, stressed, and run in pointless circles by her. This meant years went by where he no longer attended bible studies, prayed, studied the word, or had any fellowship with other believers. Even I rarely saw him. I am not justifying his actions, just laying out how a divided house will fall and everyone inside it will be a casualty.

Therefore, finding the proper way to lead in the family is actually the most important thing for SOME men to learn. If you are in the ocean, it is more important to know how to swim than it is to know how to sail.

[–]Stryker72002 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I take the Left Behind Series as christian mysticism mostly. It is christian fiction. Even if one is a Dispensationalist I think they can agree with that. Eschatology can be very hard to deal with due to the many views on it, which is maybe one reason why it is not mentioned much here. In particular, I find Dispensationalism to be particulary susceptible to creating a defeatist mindset in many people. :"Woe is me, the world is going to hell in a handbasket" type of mindset is very easy to fall into. I am still not decided on what is the correct view of Eschatology, but I try to make sure I am maintaining a positive outlook on life. Isaiah 41:10. God does not want us to live in fear, and if your eschatology is making you fear or become luke warm your view of it is likely wrong.

Like redwall92 said, I think RP is about dealing with the here and now, which I think christians are called to first anyway. Matthew 6:31-34 comes into play here I think. Men's Rights Activists deal with looking towards a future a bit more, but it is still about fixing a problem that is present.

As far as your toolbox analogy, I have been asked before by women why I am focused on destroying feminism within the church. My response was that I see it as the largest underlying problem within the church today. Fix it and other problems are relatively minor or get solved along with the feminism. We need experts in this area becuase it is the largest problem and often the most unnoticed by congregates. I see the feminisation as the core problem affecting the western believers. In Paul's letters in the New Testament we see him writing to many churches, and while many of the congregations he wrote to shared the same problems, many of them had problems specific to their respective church. Paul addresses these problems and gives teaching to correct them. I see the modern western church in the same light as some of these churches Paul wrote too.

[–]rocknrollchuckMod | 50M | Married 11 yrs2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Using the tool analogy, if we become specialists at working on only the electrical system in the car, wouldn’t we be even better if we understood the engine as the source of the electricity and could work on it as well?

This is true, however - how many people would come to this sub if it were deluged with thousands of posts that were mostly theological in content? This place draws people in precisely because it is Christian content that is different.

While I agree with the others that this is primarily a Christian sexual strategy sub, I think there is value in sharing some theological ideas as well. We don't want theology to drown out the purpose of what we're here for, but obviously it is important because of the Christian nature of this sub. Obviously if we only discussed sexual strategy and didn't share how to find salvation through trusting in Jesus Christ and repenting of your sins, then we would not be doing what God called us to do.

What are you thoughts, from a theological perspective, of the Left Behind series by LaHaye and Jenkins, started 23 years ago?

I think the Left Behind series provided some much-needed discussion on the topic of the Rapture. There is much disagreement in the Christian community over whether there will be a Rapture or not, as well as the timing of it if there is one. I have gone back and forth on the subject myself for a while, but after a thorough rereading of this document that I've had saved on my hard drive for years, it's pretty much settled for me. I have made it available for download from my Dropbox for those who are interested:

[–]Xoramung 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

do you know who wrote the rapture document you linked?

[–]rocknrollchuckMod | 50M | Married 11 yrs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No idea. I've had it for maybe 8 years now, and don't remember where I got it.

[–]SIC_redditcruiserEndorsed2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That link to feminism is cancer was hilarious. Also that was the first time I read the article on get free virgins without tattoos. Before I read this article and this post I saw on a a couple Christian based dating Instagram pages that this article was not in line with God. I didn't pay too much attention to those page's opinion on the article because I knew it was BS.

Both of the pages are run by women and unfortunately so far as I'm finding the vast majority of Christian dating advice anywhere is made by women. This leaves men without much of a voice and when articles are made like the one you posted on, there is backlash from the majority of the Christian dating community since it is steeped in feminism.

The article and this post right up some really good points though and even a couple of them that I haven't thought of. I think I will share something similar on my Instagram page for the purpose of giving Biblical Christian dating advice to guys.

[–]Nyquil-JunkieVisiting Infidel0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men Prefer Debt-Free Virgins Without Tattoos

As long as the woman has no debt... we can let the other 2 slide.

[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Guess I'd better think twice about signing that mortgage Monday! Three strikes and I'm out?

[–]Nyquil-JunkieVisiting Infidel1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your lack of extensive tattoos earn you some slack. Just be on time with the payments.

[–]Willow-girlParticipation Trophy Wife1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes sir!

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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