Being Woman

Gynocratic_Misandrst · 2016-04-14T19:07:26+00:00

I've seen time and again women coming here and being disgusted with their own female nature. We read the articles in the Manosphere or at TRP

This might get deleted because I'm not toeing some line, or I might get called out for being a troll, but this might be one of the only times I'm not.

If you're disgusted at a set of opinions of you, you need to do up to two things:

Determine if those opinions accurately model reality, and
if they do model reality, consider changing.

For the first one, I think you really need to think about what the manosphere and TRP say about women. They say (especially TRP) AWALT, and that you aren't loyal. That once you see a 'better man', you're going to develop feels (regardless of personal closeness) and inevitably act on those feels, and cheat, or divorce for cash and prizes. Who doesn't like Chad, right? Only that (IMO) it just isn't true. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get hitched to a 'good man'. No one wants some basement dwelling loser who doesn't take care of himself, and doesn't really try at life. The manosphere accuses you of just being flat out unable to form a real emotional connection with another human being. Do you think that's true?

If those opinions do apply to you (even if not AWALT), I guess that's something this subreddit can help you with. I don't agree with all the material here, but, if you assume/believe the worst about yourself (and for some people, maybe their accusations apply, and they need to work on themselves), I guess you can come here to fix it after a fashion.

The bottom line I would give you about your disgust: I would take anything you read on the manosphere or TRP with a lot of salt. Like, a truckload. It is more likely to be written by a bitter, rejected, teenager or early 20-something than someone who actually has any actual experience with women.

stevierose345 · 2016-04-14T19:50:15+00:00

I recently started reading "Let me be a women" by Elisabeth Elliot. The book is from a Christian perspective but it is quite well written. I'm not far into it if anyone wants to grab and it read along mini-book club style. I read a few chapters a night and they are very short chapters.

“The way you keep your house, the way you organize your time, the care you take in your personal appearance, the things you spend your money on, all speak loudly about what you believe. The beauty of thy peace shines forth in an ordered life. A disordered life speaks loudly of disorder in the soul.” ― Elisabeth Elliot, Let Me Be a Woman

StingrayVC · 2016-04-14T18:48:52+00:00

“You mean you’re comparing our lives to a sonnet? A strict form, but you have to write the sonnet yourself. What you say is completely up to you.”

and

A caution: Yes, a sonnet has rigid rules to abide by in order to make it a sonnet, but within these rules, the possibilities are endless. Do not hate, fear, or loathe your own nature. It is a beautiful thing when you learn to embrace it. Amazingly, when you fall into your own rules, not only will your life change for the better, people around you will react to you in a completely different manner, because the rules make sense at a profound level.

To be woman, is not evil. It is what we choose to do with our nature that will show what kind of person we are.

These are really beautiful, inspiring ideas. Thank you for sharing.

littleteafox · 2016-04-14T19:08:01+00:00

Ah thanks for posting this. I especially like the AWiT reference, I always loved that series.

Reading TRP stuff used to have me down on myself, so I've had to block myself from them. That, on top of feminism degrading and mocking the feminine, made for a rather unhappy emotional stew. It reminds me of Arya and Sansa stark. Viewers loves Arya because she is seen as strong, going her own way, fighting and being hardened by what's going on around her. Masculine traits. Sansa has a different sort of strength and strategy. She is much more feminine, despite having gone through much more emotional turmoil than Arya has. Yet turn she gets mocked and looked down upon (by viewers). Related GoT articles: 1 2

ElCuloTeAbrocho · 2016-04-15T03:34:37+00:00

For the record, women are good.

StingrayVC · 2016-04-15T15:25:22+00:00

Eh. This is really difficult for me to ingest.

Basically, I work in government relations and it's been EXTREMELY difficult to balance remaining feminine and accepting your womanly nature AND being respected by OTHER female peers. I am still sometimes struggling to find my place in it all.

I've had female supervisors outright tell me to not dress in feminine ways, avoid certain hairstyles, to stop wearing makeup highlighting my face....even changing my behavior in certain ways (like blushing at jokes, or being publicly joyful or something) because it would lower my level of respect among others and being feminine = not being taken seriously. I have been advised to put off serious relationship and having kids before 30, for a career. I am always told that I can "DO IT ALL" if I want to. And you feel intimidated because you want to advance your career but you have to get through your super bias supervisor to get that promotion.

Example of the madness (this actually happened in a job interview):

"Sunhappy, where do you see yourself in 3-5 years?"
"Oh, well.....I'm 25. I hope to be a wife and mother by then. Career wise, I'm totally happy with driving the minivan to my job as a Grassroots Director or Policy Manager, haha! Since I want to have a family, I don't want to really go above Director level positions later in my career. "
"Oh....but don't you want to be MORE? You can do it all, you know? (starts quoting some Yahoo or Facebook female CEO)"
"....."
"Well, you're young. You have plenty of time to change your mind."

Eventually this crazy woman showed her REAL colors, and I left. With my current job, my boss is very feminine and she's the FIRST woman I've worked under who was. She's really really rare. She's happily married, in touch with her femininity and still WILDLY successful. But she's an anomaly who outright ignored the same advice I got to get where she is today. Some really think that in order to be successful as a woman in the workplace sometimes, you have to wear ugly gray pantsuits, have flat dull bobs, no makeup and be married only to your job.

EDIT: I should have made this clear. PROGRESSIVE women say all of this. All the conservative and Republican-like women who work in my industry marry much sooner (26-34 yo) and are much prettier. However, I work in anti-poverty work, which is majority lefties and feminists, and this hyper-masculine, "you go girl", "I can do it all" woman trend is kind of the culture.

raisin_warlord · 2016-04-15T18:05:24+00:00

Any pro woman book suggestions (not necessarily the "you go grrrl" kind)?

TotesMessenger · 2016-04-16T00:19:08+00:00

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