Bothered watching red pill YouTube

Moovmntstudnt · 2021-08-16T15:08:21+00:00

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Nostalchiq · 2021-08-16T18:17:44+00:00

I wasted a lot of my best years with a man who was probably gay or asexual and he never told me the entire time, just kept pretending like everything was okay. So this post kinda hits home for me. I listen to a lot of men's RP channels too and I admit they do get me down sometimes. They make me feel completely worthless as a woman, but I want the truth. It would be nice if there was a unisex or women's RP channel out there.

Intrepid_Place5390 · 2021-08-16T19:21:49+00:00

Most men in this sphere are not looking for marriage, but a type of fulfillment that comes from sexual pleasure. Most people are looking for satisfaction, they don't want relationships.

It's rare that men who market themselves to be high quality actually are, which makes dating a problem. I don't count having money as high value, but having the intelligence and integrity behind it. It's a problem. I've bumped into problem men so much to the point of being a turn off to a woman of character, I just avoid them.

There's a phenomenon I believe is called market demand. Once you have high standards and demand more, and won't settle for less, you will see a change. Why the boom in organic food? Because we demanded it. I don't eat food that isn't good for me, I keep my body fat below 23%. I don't entertain what is not in my long term benefit. People respect me for it. Once you start saying no you will be empowered and those people that are interested in you will reconsider their behavior. Just a thought. ;-)

Just be the best you can be, and let the cards fall where they may.

WhatIsThisAccountFor · 2021-08-17T10:31:48+00:00

Ok so, red pill for men begins from a place of rage.

The reason for rage is because men are raised to believe that women cherish kindness and thoughtfulness above money and status from a romantic standpoint. Red Pill is the understanding that this is fundamentally inversed. It makes them feel as though most of the beginning of their lives have been sabotaged from a romantic standpoint. The rage intensifies as they constantly hear from women when they ask “what women want” and women reply “just a nice guy”. The rage intensifies even more as the borderline misogynistic form of interacting with women yields them more success than the kind, gentle form does.

It is sad, but for young men, misogynistic tactics are the most successful. When you realize that tactics that derive from a place of misogyny are most successful you begin to become misogynistic.

This is why most people here say not to go after men who follow the textbook red pill ideology. They don’t want love, and they are selfish. They don’t care if they waste a woman’s youth because simply being kind was never something that the women around them cared about to begin with.

The main mindset of these men is: Why should they be kind to women who don’t care about kindness in their love lives?

After you understand that, you understand everything else regarding red pill. Kindness is useless to their beliefs system.

Pleasant_Cycle_5183 · 2021-08-16T15:26:36+00:00

Ah thank you for this post. it is my impression that some men are salty that they don’t get as much attention as women, they perhaps got rejected or something and their anger inspires them to make the future seem hopeless for women. Constantly reminding us that we won’t be worth much soon. Very unhelpful and I don’t think that it is coming from a good place.

GreatMenderTeapill · 2021-08-17T06:14:37+00:00

RPM here. You aren't wrong. It is a product of the fact that a lot of the OG red pill males were also the pick-up artist guys. They made a shitload of money telling insecure young guys this stuff.

Before I knew about red pill I was pretty alpha but I was young, dumb, and poor. I got laid a lot and "spun plates" before I even knew that was a thing. Now I'm in my late 30's (prime?), I own my own business and I have achieved a somewhat prototypical ideal situation for a RPM. My interest level in fucking a bunch of random clams now that I have "arrived": zero.

Dont forget that red pill is a fairly new set of ideas. It is evolving. I can tell you one thing that it’s founders did not foresee: Red Pill Women.

Hope this helps.

Advanced_Bar_673 · 2021-08-16T17:02:41+00:00

Also remember that most of the RP men on YouTube are coaches/ authors who have monetized the "lifestyle", and stand to gain a lot of money and fame from the outrage men experience when "taking the pill." It becomes a feedback loop of profit to upset men and then sell them the solution. And of course the mob mentality with online anonymity encourages it too. Try to glean what you can from it without taking it personally, remembering the context with possible ulterior motives.

LivingfreewithSophie · 2021-08-16T16:33:04+00:00

Sometimes I watch RP men videos, just to get an insight or to remind myself not to fall for men playing games. But you need to watch stuff aimed at women, so you can learn from someone who has women's best interest at heart :)

I really like Greta Bereisaite on youtube! She really explains how men think and how women can best deal with it. She really focuses on mentality and emotional control.

I also enjoy Adrienne Everheart as she focuses on feminine energy. If you combine those two you are way better of 😊

LightOverWater · 2021-08-16T17:07:50+00:00

Men aren't forcing women into STRs though. These guys can spin plates with women who choose to be in STRs, FWB, ONS, flings etc. That's not the guy's fault when women choose to lead a life of wild party years.

A guy is faulted if he's straight up lying to her in a monogamous relationship. This also applies to women.

If women lose their value in their 30s, all it takes is 1 or 2 failed relationships in their 20s to close the prime marriage window.

A long-term monogamous relationship in your 20s isn't spinning plates though, so this is where I see your point breaking down.

2021-08-16T22:16:18+00:00

Men should, at all times, react to the consent of a woman. When a woman is consenting to a man the risk she takes doing so is hers, and that sometimes comes at a price, particularly the cost of time. That's life. Her "picker" is hers to develop and use, and who she is attracted to is her business. Will she interact with men that she's attracted to that don't commit to her, sure, that's normal. Women desire men with options, because he's earned his options and indicates his value clearly having done that work. Of all the men out there who have earned their options, a small subset will commit to a woman for life, which lets be honest that's what most women are interested in, fingers crossed that comes packaged in an experience that can be described as "love". The 'tone' on lots of red-pill rage / comment is born of frustration and having been manipulated by women, where often a man believes he's chasing "love" only to discover the woman he's attracted to does not share that goal with him, or of course she replaces him for another one of her many options. Consent, it's like gold. If she gives it he can have her, and what comes next is always uncertain for her and OF COURSE for him, hell why would he think she's going to commit to him even if all she brings is her appearance and little else. There will always be a guy interested in her, she knows it, and Mr. earned his options knows it.

dadudenines · 2021-08-17T07:25:21+00:00

When women are competing in the hamster Olympics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHji4P2B5sM) it is a better use of time to take on the nihilistic, hedonistic aspects of red pill rather then attempt to counteract them with uh, constructive principles (https://dalrock.wordpress.com/, https://www.rooshv.com/can-single-people-become-mature).

Red Pill or Blue Pill, a guy can be taken to the cleaners because the hamster ain't happy. There are no consequences. Men are just reacting and taking Red Pill (aka reality) and using it for other purposes, now much to women's disadvantage. Men have adapted and now women have to figure out what to do next...

https://www.elle.com/life-love/sex-relationships/advice/a10010/failure-to-launch-when-beauty-fades-323090/

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/03/marry-him/306651/

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/308654/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/19/calif-court-rules-against-divorced-cancer-survivor-in-dispute-over-frozen-embryos-even-though-she-may-be-infertile/

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/men-rarely-catcall-me-any-more-i-hate-that-our-culture-makes-me-miss-it_n_55ad4bffe4b0d2ded39fac74

Those are old articles, however those issues are so common now the Red Pill is essentially monetizing it...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6XWGKvUrE.

It is shocking, bothering, concerning, terrible, because it is way to true. It strikes at the core of the individual who is ego invested in the pretty little lies https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/2018/08/22/pretty-little-lies/

Whisper · 2021-08-16T17:08:38+00:00

NO HOST ever tells guys to be careful of wasting a woman’s time

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The honourable thing for a red pill guy to do

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A man who is red pill aware should not

This is skirting the "no moralizing" rule, but let's answer it, because we can deal with some important misconceptions.

The reason TRP exists is because men got tired of looking out for women who were only looking out for themselves.

Obviously, in any kind of functional relationship, both partners must look out for each others' needs, or else the relationship doesn't work. But this isn't a "gimme" that can just be assumed, certainly not today and possibly not ever.

Men are human beings. They are entitled, just like any human being, to prioritize their interests, and exist for their own goals rather than other people's. What this means is that you don't get to demand protectiveness from men just because you have a vagina. You have to earn that protectiveness with your behaviour towards him.

The men of TRP, and men in general, are not obligated to take care of you, any more than you were obligated to consider their feelings before you wrote this demanding and demeaning post about what you thought they "should" do.

You do not become a "red pill woman" who is entitled to men's time, effort, love, and care simply by declaring yourself so, and reading this group. If you want something from them, you have to actually act in a way that inspires it... which starts with not acting entitled.

If you want a man to willingly consider your needs, RPW is here to teach you how to inspire that. If you think you should not have to, then you would probably more comfortable somewhere else.

ryder004 · 2021-08-16T19:26:37+00:00

It's because there's no benefit to men getting married now a days. Once you get the government involved in your relationship, the system is 100% stacked against men.

These RP Youtbers tell men to stay clear of marriage because there's more than enough horror stories of men having their life ruined in the process. These RP channels aren't just for dating but rather an overall mens self improvement guide.

I personally just tuned 30, and 6-7 years ago did have marriage in mind. Now? Not a chance. Not just from RP content/internet stories, but over the years actually seeing this for myself in real life of men getting fucked up by divorce/child courts. The risk is not worth the reward. I want no part of that, so spinning plates and focusing my life around my goals is far more rewarding for me. Sure there's women out there like the ones in this sub, but for every 1 of you there are 5-10 modern women/boss babes/alpha females types who are only good for being a plate and nothing more.

If I had to chime in my 2 cents to the women on this sub who want to get married: go for a blue pilled guy. There's levels to how blue pilled a guy is and they're not all equally blue pilled. Get one on the lower end of the spectrum, which you will be able to vet out just using your feminine instincts after a month or two of getting to know each other. These types men have a much higher chance of committing to you and giving you the ring. I know getting a high value man who's alpha is the goal but realistically these men have too many options and they get women left and right with no strings attached. There might be some of these men out there who want a LTR/marriage but you're really looking for a needle in the haystack going for that.

Edit: Forgot to add, OP: if you’re scared of men wasting your prime years through failed relationships, be more straightforward of what you want. I noticed some women aren’t comfortable doing this because they think it’ll spook/chase away the man. That does happen sometimes but it’s a lower risk rather than dating for months/years hoping the man steps up to the plate and permanently locks you down. And yes, unfortunately there are women who make it very clear to the man they’re dating of what they want and they still get strung along for years. The current dating market for LTR/marriage is tough as it’s mainly geared for casual more than anything. Having said that, I’d still be very vocal and clear if I was in your position. Just be smooth about it as in start off light and over time make it a bigger emphasis. Hope that helps.

JustaTcup · 2021-08-17T02:10:11+00:00

No - it's up to ME to watch my own back. I can't expect random men to be variously "protecting" me. This sounds like you think we are little girls who have to be taken care of. Only when we settle with a man should we expect him to take care of us. Until then - we have to take care of OURSELVES.

anothergoodbook · 2021-08-16T14:57:02+00:00

I’d say that’s why all the more we women have to be carefully vetting. Don’t have sex. Seriously. Until there either a ring or a serious commitment (I say wait for marriage but whatever).

And don’t have 3 year long relationships. Have 6 month relationships until you’ve found one worth marrying. Watch out for yourself don’t expect a guy to watch out for you. If he’s worth your time he’ll be content to wait to have sex.

Itmfl2000 · 2021-08-17T03:51:05+00:00

I think women need to reflect on themselves. Don't waste a man's time or resources. If you've got self esteem issues see a therapist don't lead a guy on. If you think getting attention from a man to make another women feel like shit but have no interest in him, please see a therapist. If you keep your options open for too long it's not going to turn out well. There is already a cultural shift happening, where some men won't even look at women who are over 30, because if you were that fabulous you'd be taken already. Men's resources and time are getting spent and it's being used within their close circle of male friends.

garbagecompressor · 2021-08-16T16:34:57+00:00

I can understand that you find 'male RedPill' shocking and that the view of how women are painted in there is not always pretty, but that's far from what the community is about and trust me, there's valid reasons for it to be the way it is.

It's true that male and female Red Pill are completely different and have different goals, but I believe that both RedPillWomen has utility for men and male RedPill has utility for women.

A big one is that male RedPill has a lot of information for men on how to avoid getting divorce raped by a spouse and how to avoid false rape accusations. Both of these are prime reasons on why men nowadays are terrified of getting married, so combating these issues is important for you too.

Of course, male RedPill also advises men to become high value men - there's comprehensive guides on grooming, dressing, becoming mentally sound and becoming more assertive. Male RedPill is also about completely embracing one's masculinity, so becoming self-sufficient and becoming strong (lifting weights) are recurring pieces of advice on there.

The spinning plates part is against the female interest, that is true, but what's also true is that men nowadays often reach adulthood while having a completely warped view of what women are and how to communicate with women. As sad as it is, spinning plates has kind of taken on a utility of forcing many men to actually dedicate a sizeable amount of time in talking to women, meeting women and spending time with women without feeling like they're being used for validation or "strung along", as this just creates resentment. Not all men need to do this, I didn't, but some do.

RedPillWomen is also primarily about self-improvement and not only about securing a high value male, but also keeping them, and this is the part about RPW which I like the most. Female advice on reddit often paints things in a way which implies that once you've "secured a good man" you've basically done it and you can just bask in the value he provides. RPW sees that this is bound to create resentment at some point and addresses this often. "Captain / First Mate" isn't there for nothing. Women have enormous power when it comes to further developing their husband and enabling him to reach the skies, so RPW sees this power in how a woman can grow by helping her man grow. Note, helping, not becoming a nagging bitch.

tl;dr Both communities are beneficial for the opposite gender to a great degree and while they're different they do complement one another, sometimes in counter-intuitive ways.

CrazyHorseInvincible · 2021-08-16T16:18:47+00:00

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gammaJinx · 2021-08-17T11:59:15+00:00

Redpill is about excepting hard truths right? So let me be honest getting commitment out of a man is as hard as getting sex out of a woman. Especially top tier men with options. If you want these men you have to provide enough value to their lives that they can’t operate without you. That’s the reality. Guy game is getting as much sex as possible. Girl game is being able to retain high value men after sex and also withholding sex won’t really work on men who have options they will just assume you are not interested and move on to the next.

judgemycomposure · 2021-08-18T13:45:50+00:00

That's because RPM are in it out of bitterness. RPW are in it due to interest in a certain homelife.

Best to remain a RPW, but seek out a man who has never been interested in RP discourse. He's just a decent, good man naturally.

All_Lurk_No_Post365 · 2021-08-16T18:27:10+00:00

To be fair plenty of women have no shame in wasting a man's time, money and effort so why should they care?

ThenIJizzedInMyPants · 2021-08-16T20:51:31+00:00

Redpill from the male perspective is NOT always compatible with redpill from the female perspective.

Remember that male redpill is about optimal sexual strategy - so things like spinning plates may be good for a guy to get more experience, but they are not great for a girl looking to have one partner for life.

r2401 · 2021-08-17T03:07:43+00:00

It is a big hypocrisy in the red pill. They participate in the very culture they correctly identify as bad for society.

abacabbmk · 2021-08-16T15:59:07+00:00

The honourable thing for a red pill guy to do is not string along women in their mid-late 20s.

The honourable thing for any guy or girl to do is not string along anyone regardless of age. But clearly thats not how the dating world works today. So the advice given is how to best navigate the realities of dating while doing what is best for yourself, rather than talk about things 'should' be in the world.

Also if someone doesn't want to be strung along then they need to have "that" conversation with their partner after a bit of time.

biitchstix · 2021-08-17T05:28:23+00:00

Yea I've always really disliked the hookup/casual/player/PUA (i don't really know what the exact term i'm looking for is but just all that nonsense lol) side of the redpill convo. I feel like the focus should be building healthy relationships with like-minded women, not spitefully engaging in meaningless sex. They criticize women who waste their 20's hoeing around and stacking bodies up while they do the exact same gross thing they're criticizing? idk.

LateralThinker13 · 2021-08-17T13:31:40+00:00

it bothers me that with all the talk about men ‘spinning plates’ until they are in their prime

You aren't the intended audience. Young men not in their prime who want to get laid are.

The honourable thing for a red pill guy to do is not string along women in their mid-late 20s.

The honourable thing for a "lady" to do is to not play mind games, slut around, or be an insufferably selfish egomaniac in her 20s either, but many (most?) do just that these days.

NO HOST ever tells guys to be careful of wasting a woman’s time when she is in her prime.

This is because women are adults capable of making their own decisions just like men. A man who encounters a woman who makes good choices may LTR her; plates get made from women who make bad choices.

The important thing you're omitting is that these RP men aren't forcing women to do anything. A RP man who is only looking to spin plates won't date a woman who doesn't easily put out - something that RPW would weed out. A RPW who ran into one of these players is safe unless she's dumb enough to break from RPW advice and give it up early. If she does, her wasted time is her own fault.

Finally, note that men aren't told to lie on RP channels. Women do that to themselves. RP shows teach deflection, sure, and how to pass shit tests. A RPW is unlikely to waste years on a man because you learn red flags and vetting early on. It's the rare male psychopath who can evade those for years. Most of the time, women saw them and let them slide.

justtenofusinhere · 2021-08-17T00:18:49+00:00

Why should it be on men to have this concern? Why should a man elevate a woman's (not his wife's) concerns over his own?

Many men would counter women, as a whole, aren't acting on concern for men. Is some woman bleeding him dry financially? Sucks to be him.

There's also the issue of sexual responsibility. If a man wants to have women, he must develop the right skill set, or he'll be out on his backside. The same is for women. It is up to men to become high value, it is up to women to properly vet men. If she cannot, or will not, properly vet a man, it's her failing not his.

Flharfh1 · 2021-08-17T18:53:11+00:00

"The honourable thing for a red pill guy to do is not string along women in their mid-late 20s. A man who is red pill aware should not give the wrong signals to these women unless they are serious about having a relationship."

If she wants marriage within a certain time frame and she's unsure if he wants the same, it's the woman's responsibility to have a difficult conversation with the man regarding the future of their relationship, and then if the man declines to commit in the way she wants, to end it.

You consent to being "strung along" by staying in the relationship.

Solarsystemm · 2021-08-16T15:53:01+00:00

“Men are success objects, while women are beauty objects”

I don’t get what is wrong tho. If both of them agree about the casual dating, no one is to blame, i know most of men will lie his way into your panties, but as a woman that wants a serious relationship, just secure the relationship before the bedroom, it’s that simple.

Scoobyginger25 · 2021-08-16T17:35:11+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree

Known-Cake5480 · 2021-08-16T16:29:02+00:00

A man’s attractiveness comes at the expense of women’s time (preselection). Being “honorable” for men is the losing move. All is fair in love and war.

RPsplainer · 2021-08-16T15:45:25+00:00

First of all, anyone can make a youtube channel and call themselves red pill doesn't mean that they are.

Second, no guy, red pilled or not, needs you telling them what is "honorable."

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

biped_thing · 2021-08-16T20:37:38+00:00

(male) Redpill is not about love or marriage

winstrol · 2021-08-16T23:34:53+00:00

As a male i agree!!

NicoleInBlue · 2021-08-17T09:35:49+00:00

It bothers you not because they advertise stringing women along but because they bring to your awareness your time/beauty/fertility limitations.

purple_pansy88 · 2021-08-20T16:26:49+00:00

Have you seen most of the men in the 'red pill'? A YouTuber called the CBP channel has done a few exposès on them.

Most of them are single, lonely middle aged men who live alone and have a lot of personal pain and grievances toward women. Most of them are not exactly living the life they claim to live. I would honestly recommend you look up The CBP channel on YouTube He's made a number of documentaries on the manosphere. This man himself isn't a feminist and he's been involved in the community himself.

I definitely would stop consuming this type of media right now.

ChipMendelson · 2021-08-27T18:36:15+00:00

These redpill self-described pickup artist losers on YouTube are not real men, they’re boys.

I have never read something that more succinctly encapsulates what it means to be a man than this: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---

Does that sound anything like these YouTube guys? No.

Life is not a game. Relationships are not games. Whether that’s friendly relationships with other men or dating relationships with women. I legitimately can’t understand why any self respecting, intelligent adult would want to fuck around with one of these morons.

themanasdaskid · 2021-08-30T05:48:28+00:00

So I’ve only heard the other side from Steffan Molyneux, I remember him saying if you don’t want anything with her and you’re with her, than you’re wasting her time.

Maleficent-Brief-178 · 2022-02-19T20:54:28+00:00

If your goal is to find a man who's absolutely emotionally physically and financially committed to marry build a partnership with and have children a man cannot string you along or divert you from this purpose what the red pill forms constantly belittle and make fun of women for is spending their twenties focusing on alternative goals and then in there their 30s hoping to spontaneously arrive at this result

I do not agree with most red pill ideology! I will agree that what these forums are encouraging in young men (or any men) to do is not to commit to non-committal women

Personally in my own experience I have found divorced men to be the partners that are most able to hold up and honor The sexual arrangements I seek out ones based off equality stability and safety

Title	Bothered watching red pill YouTube
Author	Moovmntstudnt
Upvotes	162
Comments	112
Date	August 16, 2021 2:50 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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