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Bringing Our Toddler to a Steakhouse

August 3, 2022
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This past week my dad offered to take my family out to a nice restaurant to celebrate my husband's most recent raise.

I was thrilled! The kids are 2 years and 3 months; going out can be tricky but I was eager to make it work. I packed up a couple toys for the toddler and we were on our way!

10 minute wait when we arrived. This was no problem - I volunteered to take the toddler for a walk around the building and play with the shrubbery in the meantime. My dad waved me over when the table was ready, and we sat down and ordered drinks.

Immediately, my eldest was squirmy. Neither the crayons provided nor the toys interested him. Two year olds are infamous for their poor emotional control, small vocabulary, and short attention span and I wasn't about to allow a meltdown in this setting. My dad suggests we go home, but I said I wanted to stay.

I scribbled down both our orders and escorted the toddler outside again. It's hot enough to get sweaty pretty fast, and in 5-10 minutes he's ready to head back in and have a drink.

The food comes, and we all barely have time to take a few bites before the toddler is wanting to get down and move around again.

I resign myself to taking him outside a third time.

This time I can feel the resentment creeping in. Why isn't my husband taking him outside? Doesn't he know I'm tired/I do so much/I'm always with the kids/etc.

I try to fight it off. This meal is to celebrate him. He doesn't even like going out that much, let alone with the kids - I wanted this way more than he did.

Finally, my husband leaves the restaurant and walks over to me and our eldest, ready to take over. I beam at him, give him a kiss on the cheek, and tell him how happy I am to see him.

I head back inside and tell my dad that I'm having a nice time and that I appreciate the good meal. He helps me cut my food while I nurse the baby. I feed our toddler his meal during the car ride home and make him laugh.

Later that night, my husband told me he loved me. That he was proud of me. That he knew I had a tough night, but that I did it with a smile.

It was probably one of my proudest moments.

This didn't really come naturally. I had to actively fix my mindset. I had to remind myself it wasn't about me, and manage my expectations accordingly.

But I did it. And I hope I can do it more often. I've already fallen short a couple of times since, but I know the standard of behavior I want for myself. I want to handle the kids with a smile, especially when it's not coming easy. I want to make family outings enjoyable for us all. I want my husband to keep falling in love with me.

I'm super grateful to RPW for all the thought-provoking posts that have encouraged positive growth in my mindset! I love seeing myself act more and more like the woman I want to be.

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Title Bringing Our Toddler to a Steakhouse
Author Teacup000
Upvotes 219
Comments 42
Date August 3, 2022 6:53 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
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[–]KombuchaEnema4 Stars 90 points91 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Making sacrifices for your husband is always rewarding if he actually takes notice, acknowledges your work, and shows his appreciation. Which your husband did.

I think that’s the golden difference: some women do these things for men who are unappreciative. Those women then feel like making such sacrifices is useless (in general).

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I'm shameless though, I'll just ask him to praise me when I really want to be acknowledged. I'm grateful for his patience.

[–]warm20 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I'm shameless though, I'll just ask him to praise me when I really want to be acknowledged. I'm grateful for his patience.

I think it's cute to ask to be appreciated it after doing a bunch of tasks and them not taking notice

honestly it's just adorable heartwarming and innocent

has that energy of pureness honesty

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great distinction!

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 Star for handling this situation with grace. Thanks for the field report!

[–]titlejunk 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Love the way you handled this.

I will throw out there one of my parenting pet peeves though: Teach your children from an early age how to behave in a restaurant, theater, at someone’s home. Two is young to sit, but not to talk. “Hey, I get that you’re antsy but gramma and papi came here to see us. Can we try to spend time with them? Do you think we could do that?”

Just a suggestion. You’ve got this. Either way.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I totally hear you. :)

For those lessons you're describing, we like to take him to a nearby casual pizzeria right when it opens for lunch. Much lower stakes, haha.

[–]rosedoesdallas 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well done, girlfriend!

[–]sunglasses903 Stars 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Great job! Also, bringing yourselves in check and not losing it in front of the kids will help the kids learn to do it themselves once they’re old enough.

Do you have any advice as far as tablets, etc. We don’t have children yet but as a younger millennial I feel like my go-to for long car rides and restaurants will be hand them a tablet and let them play/watch tv on it but my fiancé is an older millennial and didn’t grow up with phones/screens and doesn’t like the idea. I understand not letting them be on it all day, but I feel like he’ll cave once he sees a few break downs on a long car ride or something lol.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We have never given the kids tablets and they do fine with long car rides! But I guess it takes some organization. We:

-Plan regular stops, usually to have a meal and let the kids run around

-Sing songs

-Play games (I spy, 20 questions, looking for different colors, etc) -listen to music

-have snacks (cut up fruit, crackers, etc)

-bring along books, crayons, special little toys

[–]sunglasses903 Stars 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are good ideas!!

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

While this would be an easy solution in the moment, I find it backfires long term.

We never have given my son a tablet anywhere (not even at home), he’ll be 3 in 2 weeks and now and he’ll sit through dinners at restaurants no problem but his cousins who are older than him have always had tablets for those kinds of outings won’t sit for more than 5 minutes without asking for the tablet and will have a meltdown if they’re told no.

My personal opinion is that it will be harder for kids to be content with just regular life going on around them if they always have entertainment in the form of a tablet to keep them busy instead.

No judgement to anyone that uses a tablet for their children regularly, bur there were times it would have been easier to stick a tablet in front of my son and I’m glad I never did, it really paid off in the long run!

[–]Ok_Obligation_61101 Star 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My kiddo isn’t due to be here until a few months so maybe I’m being naive but I agree with you here. I’m reading a French parenting book and it talks about how children sit through restaurant dinners with no distractions because they’re taught to properly at a young age, so that they can learn what is and isn’t acceptable at certain times and places. Dining out in France you never saw crayons and toys at a table with toddlers or young children, let alone EVER a kids menu. Again not to sound judging because I know I’m extremely naive in this aspect as I haven’t done it myself yet, but it seems like a good habit to start teaching your kids as early as possible when screen time and playing are allowed and when it’s time to focus on something else as early as possible.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I 100% agree with this! They can’t be expected to know how to behave in public without some sort of tool or distraction if we never give them the chance to.

[–]sunglasses903 Stars 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good point!

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm guilty of relying on TV more than I'd like. Tablets are just for plane rides for the time being.

Screens are certainly one tool in your toolkit - just remember your best and most effective tool for entertaining the little ones will always be your enthusiastic attention. There's really nothing they want more than that.

[–]Justasoulchillin 6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Get a baby sitter

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Nah

[–]r_delacroix1 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Downvoted why? Not everyone likes to pay to leave your kids alone the whole day with strangers.

[–]gd_reinvent1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I work in ECE and I am one of those strangers who is paid to have people's children left with them.

'Paying to leave your kids alone the whole day with strangers.' is not comparing apples to oranges. There is a big difference between a date night or special occasion babysitter for a few hours once a fortnight or so which is OP's situation and 'paying to leave your kids alone the whole day with strangers' which is what my job is - full time preschool and which I don't think is ideal by any means.

Also - the way this OP described her outing, it sounded awful. Having a toddler who has an attention span of maybe ten minutes (Just picturing one of my younger toddlers in my class in this situation), like she couldn't get a lot of adult conversation and enjoy her meal properly because she was fully responsible for her kids, and like she started to get upset at her husband before she realized that it was his celebration. A casual babysitter they can trust would give OP a lot more relaxation and a much better time as she wouldn't be on edge about meltdowns.

Another much more suitable alternative would be more family friendly activities such as dinner at grandparents' home where toddler could relax or run around and it wouldn't matter. Or, maybe lunch at a nice cafe with a better environment for young families, but still has a nice environment for adults, and preferably with a playground nearby, maybe at a nice park or something, or a library cafe. This way grandparents would enjoy themselves, toddler would have much more energy and would enjoy themselves and OP wouldn't be so stressed out about meltdowns.

This my honest advice.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you're missing the point.

What I was trying to say boils down to this: "There was an obstacle. It was tough. I overcame it. I felt good for overcoming it. Really good."

Your reply is essentially: "Oh, just remove the obstacle!"

There's a reason I referred to it as one of my proudest moments. It's a great feeling to push through urges to be selfish and resentful. I love knowing I can overcome my darkness. I want to be challenged as a wife and a mother. I want personal growth.

I could've posted about a date night where the husband and I dropped off our toddler with grandparents and we had a great dinner out. I could've written about a time we took him to a kid-friendly place and all went well. We've had plenty of times like that.

There's a reason I didn't.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Removed. This was a field report your advice was not needed and shows that you missed the point of the post. Missing the point of the post disqualifies you from giving useful advice. So does not having children in this particular case.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I get it, it was a flippant response to what I considered to be a flippant response.

Babysitters definitely have their downsides.

I do enjoy leaving our son with the grandparents for some alone time, but I also think it's good to include him for family outings. Everything's a balance.

[–]femminem 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Paying babysitter negates the entire point of being taken out to eat. It turns a treat into a trade. That comment sounds like it’s from a disgruntled restaurant attendee and not a supportive human.

[–]gd_reinvent 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, it doesn't. OP from her original post sounded extremely stressed out and like she didn't enjoy her meal, so it sounded like it negated the point anyway at least for her as she didn't get proper quality adult time or to enjoy the meal to the full extent as she was stuck doing childcare duty. Paying a sitter would mean she as well as her husband would have comfort and care.

You choose to have kids, they are a responsibility that cost money and need to be taken into consideration when you get invited places. Not just from the point of view of other diners, but the comfort of the kids and the family themselves. I work in Early Childhood, so I get it.

Also, I don't yet have kids, but do have a dog. I can leave him alone for a day or so, but if my friends invited me say to their holiday home or on a trip they were willing to pay for and he wasn't invited or he was but wouldn't be comfortable, I'd have to pay to put him in a quality kennel if I wanted to go. It wouldn't negate the point of the treat, the fact is, I chose to get him, he's my responsibility, I pay for his care if I want to leave him alone to go away with my friends.

[–]carbonhex05 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not the point of this post, and these types of replies are becoming an echo chamber of annoying, misplaced, and judgemental criticism. Her point is the work she did internally at the dinner. She's making conscious changes in her life each day and wanted to share one of her victories here, a place that has been tremendously helpful to her, and as a result, her family.

I work in Early Childhood, so I get it.

Working in ECE and actually having a child of your own is COMPLETELY different. I was a nanny for ~15 years and am now a Mom of a 9 month old, and it is soooooooo not the same. Especially when there's no "clocking out" option.

Also, I don't yet have kids, but do have a dog.

I adopted, raised, and trained our family's 2 stubborn dachshund girls simultaneously, starting at the age of 9 weeks old. Again, soooooooo not the same thing as having a human child.

I can leave him alone for a day or so, but if my friends invited me say to their holiday home or on a trip they were willing to pay for and he wasn't invited or he was but wouldn't be comfortable, I'd have to pay to put him in a quality kennel if I wanted to go. It wouldn't negate the point of the treat, the fact is, I chose to get him, he's my responsibility, I pay for his care if I want to leave him alone to go away with my friends.

Again, you've missed the entire point of the post, any dog/pet comparison misses the mark, and anyone - Mom or not - should refrain from such condescending judgement. OP was in no way shirking any responsibility.

[–]Ok_Obligation_61101 Star 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do know from working in the field that children eventually grow up and have to function in society as anyone else? And that includes being in public places with other people.

Children will never learn how to act in these public environments unless they’re actively taken to these environments and taught. I swear the US is the only place I see people ranting about a child DARING to be in their presence in public. Literally every other country in the world acknowledges that children need to and deserve to be in these spaces because that’s how they learn. They don’t learn anything always being cooped up in safe spots where they’re never challenged with discomfort.

[–]Justasoulchillin 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Then don’t be surprised when your children are being unruly at a fancy restaurant

[–]LivelyLycheeModerator[M] 35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This advice is fine, but you are missing the intention of the post. OP was in a tricky situation that a lot of RPWs, especially new moms, face, and she navigated it in that moment using the RPW toolbox. I believe that’s why u/Teacup000 wanted to share, and I’m glad she did! Field reports are incredibly helpful here but very few women take the time to write them out.

There’s no reason to be curt with her.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh, I'm not surprised at all! He behaved perfectly reasonably for a two year old. I responded in a way I am pleased with. All is well.

Though I wouldn't say he was unruly. I interceded before his behavior could negatively impact other patrons.

[–]glass_brownies 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am about to have a 2 year old daughter. Any advice on what to expect in a restaurant or what to do for her , in a restaurant?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bring a favorite toy, a toy she doesn't usually get to play with (we bring a travel case of washable markers), a snack to tide her over, and maybe something sweet to stop a meltdown in progress (we like little lollipops).

My taking-a-walk trick works great, but you won't get much out of the encounter socially. My two year old is just starting to pay attention to screens, so you could go that route as well.

Just remember two year olds have all of the emotions and none of the emotional regulation. It just hasn't developed yet. Expect that she'll need an adult's attention 100% of the time, and you won't be disappointed.

This is probably the worst age to take them out, but also when they desperately want to explore. It's okay if it's a little rough!

[–]Justasoulchillin 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand. But there’s no point to be upset even if your husband didn’t help you. Leave the kids at home with a baby sitter and enjoy the night fully. That way neither you have doubts about why he is/isn’t helping, nor does he feel resentment from spending his celebration looking after the underaged kids.

[–]carbonhex05 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not the point of this post. Her point is the work she did internally at the dinner. She's making conscious changes in her life each day and wanted to share one of her victories here, a place that has been tremendously helpful to her, and as a result, her family. Please don't come stomping into the comments when you miss the entire point of a post. Nitpicking pieces of a post or story does no one any good, and that's not what this community is about. Your "advice" could have been phrased better, if that's what your intent was.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are always little resentments when you look over the scope of a lifetime. I have a damned solid marriage, better than a lot of people I know. I've had the same frustrations that the OP describes here. Don't focus on the kids, that's not the point. The idea is that you have to change your own mindset to not let life's frustrations turn into big fights or long term resentments.

[–]belispeakz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beautiful post thank you for sharing!!

[–]lilac2481 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but why didn't your husband do anything to handle the kids?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He did! Whenever I was with our toddler, he was watching our baby. We then switched towards the end of our meal.

Regardless, I'm not too concerned about his behavior or that of the children. I think they all did their best. My problem was my attitude.

[–]AriesLeoSagFire79 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the type of attitude that shows dignity and poise. 11/10 overall!

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch out for this sort of whataboutism. It can be toxic to keep score in a relationship.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Parenting critiques are beyond the point of the article. Toddlers are rough and different techniques work for different kids. I highly doubt that you remember how you're parents disciplined you at age two. Removed.

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