COVID19 and the hypocrisy of modern feminism

teaandtalk · 2020-04-07T16:11:05+00:00

I think a lot of men are also insisting on working through the outbreak. Not because they're stubborn, but because they see themselves as providers and they don't want to sit at home doing nothing.

But that doesnt explain why more men are dying from it. It just explains why more men might catch it. I don't know what the reason might be?

fosho_away · 2020-04-07T15:12:27+00:00

I agree that there would be more outrage were those numbers reversed, but no one is discussing the impact of obesity or obesity impacted preexisting conditions either... because fat is beautiful and you can be healthy at any size. 🙄

Edit to Clarify: I think a lot of people are picking and choosing where to place their outrage.

Fromfame · 2020-04-07T15:07:16+00:00

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Hammocknapping · 2020-04-07T15:39:05+00:00

Globally, about 40% of men smoke compared to 9% of women. Smoking leads to respiratory issues and pre-existing conditions that make individuals more susceptible to complications related to COVID-19.

Men also tend to have higher rates of obesity, particularly in middle age. Obesity makes your more susceptible to COVID-19.

Men also wash their hands at lower rates compared to women.

Feminists aren’t forcing men to smoke, they aren’t forcing men to be obese, and they certainly aren’t forcing men to skip washing their hands.

penneAlavodka · 2020-04-07T19:22:54+00:00

One big factor is that men smoke more than women. This is why NYC Gov. Andrew Cuomo considered banning the sale of cigarettes for a few weeks. Men also don’t follow general public health advice, don’t go to the doctor as much, don’t wash their hands or use soap as much.

probably_wont · 2020-04-07T16:10:44+00:00

The thing is, there is no point for outrage when the enemy is not even, strictly speaking, alive. The virus is obviously not intentionally affecting men more, or black people more, so the outrage isn't really warranted (I mention black people because there have been weird articles seeming to imply racist motives behind the virus).

It's a virus. It will kill who it genetically can kill, and if that is men, then it is men. If that is black people, then it's black people.

The fact that men make up large parts of essential manufacturing jobs says more about their personal decisions then it does about society's indifference to men.

Rodneedstorant · 2020-04-08T09:33:26+00:00

There's a multitude of reasons why men are more likely to be affected by covid19, lets unpack a few of them for the uk.

"In 2014 62% of adults in England were classified as overweight or obese (a body mass index of 25 or above), compared to 53% 20 years earlier. More than two-thirds of men and almost 6 in 10 women are overweight or obese."

Also:

"Last week, Diederik Gommers, chairman of the Dutch intensive care association, told TV reporters in the Netherlands that 66 percent to 80 percent of COVID-19 patients in intensive care wards that he had seen were overweight. On the same TV news programme, Peter van der Voort, of Groningen University's teaching hospital, said of the higher numbers of overweight COVID-19 patients in ICU beds: "We don't know why, but it is very noticeable."

Men also tend to ignore health related problems for a far longer time than women, which will lead to more severe cases in the end, this is a common theme of many health related surveys amongst both genders.

Furthermore men in the uk smoke more than women. "In the UK, 17.0% of men smoked compared with 13.3% of women." , which should be relevant, since covid19 primarily affects the lungs.

And i also want to add, that women have "a stronger innate and humoral immune response than males and are thus less susceptible to many bacterial, fungal, parasitic and viral infections, while being more prone to developing an autoimmune disease or malignancies" and therefor most likely have it easier dealing with covid19 from a scientific point of view.

Linking gender specific ways of nature dealing with diseases and poor health choices that differ in severity between the sexes (eating unhealthy -> getting fat, smoking -> fuck up the physical ability of your lungs, not seeing a doctor when needed -> allowing minor treatable health conditions to grow in something major) to the "hypocrisy of modern feminism" is on the same level as linking the use of specific drugs in cases of sickle cell anemia to racism. Which in my opinion leads to the conclusion, that if it would be the other way around, it wouldn't be "hypocrisy of modern feminism", it would be just a retarded human being ignoring the underlying facts to draw traffic and pay their bills with "work" that has no actual worth.

edit: fixed formatting

WildTenderness · 2020-04-07T15:19:29+00:00

I mean... I think there are reasons for this. Women eat healthier than men, women are more conscientious health-wise (less likely to go out and more likely to take more precautions if they do), and men are less likely to seek medical help if they have a problem among other things.

Of course men disproportionately working more labour jobs is a very large factor, and that's something to consider. However, I assume that most companies have put policies in place that allow for people to have less contact with each other. Since men are more likely to take risks, it's likely that they're not following these policies as stringently as they should be.

I definitely agree though, if it was the opposite, there would be much more media outrage, and we should be considering it more.

Just some thoughts!

Blackhawk2479 · 2020-04-07T19:14:35+00:00

Don’t forget that the UK is still only testing the ill in hospital, so the death rate will be disproportionally high.

Also don’t forget that men are roughly twice as likely to contract it than women, and also more likely to have more severe symptoms.

So, no, no need for outrage, it’s a statistically sound outcome.

HB3234 · 2020-04-07T19:30:17+00:00

No extra precautions...? You mean, other than the fact that the world has ground to a halt over over this virus?

Raquel22222 · 2020-04-08T05:23:38+00:00

Maybe because men don’t take harm as seriously as woman. My ex was running around going to BBQs with a bunch of people when my state had started lockdown

ironsoul99 · 2020-04-07T19:13:44+00:00

The discrepancy is due to the fact that men are more likely to have comorbidities. In China it was found that men were much more likely to smoke than women, and since it’s a respiratory disease that’s a big problem. I imagine the same is true here in the US. I don’t think it’s an issue of sexism at all.

ANIKAHirsch · 2020-04-07T20:17:18+00:00

It's definitely hitting men worse, and in serious cases, destroying men's testicles.

Noodlesoupe2 · 2020-04-07T19:47:57+00:00

that’s like saying that cancer awareness is hypocritical because aids exists. Men can fight for their rights all they want but they dont

fosho_away · 2020-04-07T16:53:32+00:00

This is an interesting article for anyone concerned about this disparity and wanting to learn more:

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/coronavirus-death-men-women

masterdarthrevan · 2020-04-07T20:49:29+00:00

Well women do have better immune systems than most men. That's why men suffer more during flu season and women just make fun of men and say it isn't so bad. Both genders get sick differently.

ironsoul99 · 2020-04-07T17:48:58+00:00

So, I lurk in a ton of feminist spaces. Here is the feminist reaction: "Most healthcare workers are women and men are the ones dying at a higher rate. Poor women! Women are risking their health to take care of men! Men don't appreciate all women do for them!"

I kid you not, this is the bullshit they believe, particularly in the more radical places like the pink-pilled feminist community.

Justskimthetopoff · 2020-04-07T18:47:50+00:00

So true!

It's also not discussed how it's hitting already marginalized groups of people. The vast majority of those dying are brown/black people. It's terrifying that, at least where I am, the only means of communicating the social distancing / precautions are daily TELEVISED press briefings in English - nice if you have a TV, know to watch, speak the language etc. If you don't - a big SORRY.

Also, the 'hero' status of grocery workers and other vastly underpaid people is so out of touch too. They don't WANT to go to work and ride public transport, but they have a kid and can't go without a paycheck for more than 1 week. And it's not like those who were already in that position had access to amazing healthcare either. So underlying conditions can be unknown!

SentientApe · 2020-04-07T16:41:00+00:00

Disclaimer: I'm not disagreeing with anyone else's comment as to why this is affecting men more, only trying to directly address OP's observations.

These are all /r/MensRights points. The lack of equality in concern for men's issues has been an observation for many years. This virus is just one other aspect to expose the general apathy toward men.

RStonePT · 2020-04-09T14:06:16+00:00

Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Instead of yelling into a hurricane just realize it's humanities feature, not it's bug.

connecticut06611 · 2020-05-01T00:20:59+00:00

Lol it’s also because men in general aren’t as hygienic as women and don’t wash their hands as much. They also tend not to take as good of care of themselves, avoid regular doctors visits etc.

Zakdoekjeleggen · 2020-04-07T15:35:31+00:00

I think some people will be glad there are proportionately more slim young female people left, and it stinks.

pearlsandstilettos · 2020-04-08T01:41:23+00:00

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sonder_one · 2020-04-07T16:53:14+00:00

Actually, many feminists are ranting that some large majority of healthcare workers are women, and thus the crisis is disproportionately harming women.

They will always find a way to make it about them. Theirs is the sort of mindset that would find a way to claim that Jews had it better than Germans in Nazi Germany!

Incidentally, I have yet to have the opportunity to ask a feminist who's claiming that the female majority in nursing means women are disproportionately harmed what she thinks of the fact that every other crisis in history has required work from a male-majority workforce.

FactsAngerLiars · 2020-04-08T01:40:56+00:00

Expendable. Replaceable. Disgusting.

mybrownsweater · 2020-04-08T03:34:53+00:00

Men are the weaker sex in some ways. We make fun of "man colds" but men do get hit harder by illnesses. Even male sperm (carrying a Y chromosome) are more fragile than female sperm (X chromosome).

Fromfame · 2020-04-08T10:21:52+00:00

I dated a feminist woman who caught it and was persistent on seeing me because it’s not a big deal for her.

She knows 0 of the mortality rate between the genders nor does she seem to care about it.

Edit: off topic, but about level of assessment. We had a discussion about capitalism vs socialism. Told her free market is capitalism, and free market is macro version of freedom of opportunity. Which is what you’re fighting for.

Her argument?

“Yeah but that doesn’t work because it’ll increase capitalism.”

Fromfame · 2020-04-08T10:38:32+00:00

If we’re using “men smoke more” that’s why covid kills them more. Therefore no “gender gap”.

Then why didn’t we use “men build more companies” but then add “gender gap”?

MoDuReddit · 2020-04-08T09:21:56+00:00

Congratulations. You've just red-pilled yourself about the media and feminists: nobody cares about men.

Title	COVID19 and the hypocrisy of modern feminism
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Date	April 7, 2020 3:02 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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