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COVID19 and the hypocrisy of modern feminism

April 7, 2020

Am I the only one who is disgusted that no-one cares about the fact that men are getting hospitalised and dying at a much faster rate than women? In the UK the death rates in ICU for men is just about 70%. That's a huge discrepency. Yet there is no media outrage, no extra protections, and large amount of men are still having to work because their jobs (manufacture, heavy labour and driving got example) are still running.

If it was 70% of women, the media would be up in arms. But when it's husbands, fathers, brothers, no-one bats an eyelid.

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Title COVID19 and the hypocrisy of modern feminism
Author HappilyMrs
Upvotes 130
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Date April 7, 2020 3:02 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I think a lot of men are also insisting on working through the outbreak. Not because they're stubborn, but because they see themselves as providers and they don't want to sit at home doing nothing.

But that doesnt explain why more men are dying from it. It just explains why more men might catch it. I don't know what the reason might be?

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Could be a lot of things. Men, in general, are less likely to see the doctor for mild illnesses, so by the time they make the appointment, the situation is often quite serious.

[–]FireMinstrel4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's what happened to Jim Henson 30 years ago. He didn't seek medical help until he started coughing up blood, and by then it was too late.

[–]momentsofnicole0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Iirc, Part of Jim Henson's story is that he grew up in the Church of Christ Scientist, which frowns upon seeking medical assistance. So, a combination of that and him being the type to not want to be a nuisance led to his getting really bad Pneumonia.

[–]FireMinstrel1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, interesting; I didn't know he was a Christian Scientist.

[–]momentsofnicole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been a while since I read about it (I did a report on him way back in Elementary School and then read up again about his death a few years ago). I can't recall if he actively practiced or not as an adult.

[–]Dancersep384 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, my husband had to be ordered to work from home and his office shut down before he did. I think it's something deep seated in men whereas women are far more willing to "run and hide" as it were.

[–]burningmanonacid3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its most likely because men are more likely to have underlying health conditions that affect this more such as hypertension and cardiovascular diseases. Sometimes even diabetes and high blood pressure, in some countries. Also men are more likely to engage in unhealthy habits that create these pre-existing conditions and worsen corona which are drinking, smoking, being overweight, etc.

Smokers especially are having a very difficult time dealing with this illness, same as asthmatics. The gendered data is only from 5 countries, Italy being one of them, and in Italy 7million men smoke but only 4.5 million women do.

So that would explain partially why men die more. Its not complete because there's theories of this or that out there. But scientists are pretty much agreeing these are significant factors.

[–]fosho_away12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This whole disaster makes a good case toward single payer healthcare and UBI. Peoples lives should not depend on their jobs to this extent, especially in the richest country.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I'm happy with my taxes (and my husband is too, he is a very strong proponent of UBI) being used for sensible healthcare and UBI. The increase in our taxes is worth it.

(We live in Australia, so our taxes already go to sensible healthcare. It is an absolutely amazing thing to know we're not going to go medically bankrupt, and that even the poorest in society are able to access medical treatment. Maybe I'm an idealist though ;) )

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. Andrew Yang's ideas make a lot of sense right now, especially for the people who have been left behind by the tech economy.

People act like it is immoral for anyone to go to work right now. But for lots of people, not working means not getting paid. Not everyone has a computer-based job. I am glad they've changed the guidelines for seeking unemployment but it is still not easy for many.

[–]i_cri_evry_tim1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Consider that the two countries that have been hit the hardest by CoVID (Spain and Italy) have had single payer healthcare for decades. In particular, Spanish healthcare is often praised. We are the leading country in organ transplants.

Our healthcare system has been absolutely clogged for weeks now. March 10th the govt asked citizens not to engage in activities that may cause need for medical assistance such as going hiking or practicing dangerous sports because of the little availability of means.

The whole country has been in mandated home quarantine for 23 days now and they just extended it for what amounts to 19 additional days.

Schools closed 5 weeks ago. All businesses except groceries/pharmacies/animal food closed 3 weeks ago.

All of this because our healthcare system was so saturated that they simply couldn’t afford many more people to fall ill. We have had to create impromptu hospitals in Sports centers and still it isn’t enough.

As much as I value our “free” healthcare, it isn’t the panacea that the American left portrays it to be.

[–]fosho_away3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I hear you. However, Taiwan and South Korea also have single payer healthcare and did an amazing job responding in this. NYC is largely privatized and has seen a similarly grim outcome. Quarantine is what everyone is doing right now, single payer or not, because that is how to stem the spread in populated areas.

While I hear your concerns and agree it can’t be touted as a panacea, it’s a place to start. Our system has so many flaws outside of this pandemic and we are lagging behind the rest of the world.

[–]i_cri_evry_tim2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Healthcare available to all should be a thing. I just feel sorry for all the people who think they will get the same care, but for free.

There’s a reason why people with money leave their countries and go to the US to get medical treatment.

Although, arguably, the people who experience the change will be t he biggest winners. The system will be very similar to the current, but they won’t have to pay. 10-15 years down the line will be a very different story.

[–]fosho_away0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Good point!! Just look at what's happening to Social Security in the US (spoiler: it's not sustainable).

[–]red_philosopher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Might be sustainable after COVID-19. . . So many less beneficiaries. (Dark humor)

[–]Gardrothard3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Women have a stronger immune system due to 2x chromosomes. I think estrogen has also something to do with it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women are better protected against certain genetic diseases due to having two X chromodomes. I'm not sure about their immune systems being stronger for this reason.

[–]Gardrothard2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds interesting! I'll definitely take a look at that.

[–]Lenins_left_nipple-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Testosterone inhibits immune response.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if they are anything like my husband, he doesn't give a rip about any of this.

[–][deleted] 113 points114 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I agree that there would be more outrage were those numbers reversed, but no one is discussing the impact of obesity or obesity impacted preexisting conditions either... because fat is beautiful and you can be healthy at any size. 🙄

Edit to Clarify: I think a lot of people are picking and choosing where to place their outrage.

[–]fosho_away37 points38 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I mean, people (doctors, epidemiologists, etc) are definitely discussing the impact of preexisting conditions, including obesity. Are we just looking for something to be angry about?

"No one is discussing impact of obesity" is patently false. There are bioengineers all over the world investigating this thing right now.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I said people, not doctors. OP was pretty clearly talking about general buzz among laypeople, not doctors and engineers, since someone obviously has to be reporting these things for us to even know about them, but whatever.

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[–]fosho_away14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well I think taking a random opportunity (like a worldwide pandemic) to complain about fat people/feminists isn't super productive, but ok.

It's just petty and there are more important things going on. Not a time for "gotcha!"s.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I deleted my comment because it didn't clarify that I wasn't agreeing with OP, so much as bring up another way that people are picking and choosing from facts that make them feel like the proper social justice warriors, as they talk about this virus. It's not just the impact on men that people aren't discussing.

Healthy at any size just means obese people can still make positive lifestyle changes, and live healthy even if they never successfully drop the weight.

That is literally not the message of that movement, according to their website.

[–]fosho_away5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I just run in different circles, idk. I’m in a total leftist bubble over here and lots of people are talking about how men should be extra careful, how it’s a scary time for male health providers. I know my experience isn’t representative though. I know a disproportionate amount of doctors, researchers, and people who consume a lot of dense news.

I see what you’re saying.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I live in a very conservative area, where most men I know (my husband included) are in manual labor and still working, whereas my liberal, female dominated field has been out for three weeks. There is definitely less regard for men's health here during this crisis, because people want their water and electricity running.

I also know a lot of "health at every size" champions, in my very left job, so it seemed like a valid comparison to me, because I guarantee they aren't willing to discuss that risk factor.

My point was actually that people as a whole are picking and choosing which facts to reference.

[–]fosho_away9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but I guess here (sf Bay Area) a lot of tech and finance is male dominated and they work from home. Shop keepers, caregivers, fast food employees are still working which is either gender balanced or primarily female.

People always cherry pick facts lol. I think the best and only thing we can all do right now is stay inside and call our loved ones often. It’s too bad our country has no real social safety net which is why people are still working.

[–]HappilyMrs[S] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even in my left wing friendship groups, all I am seeing is memes about how many healthcare workers are women, and the extra "burden" on women of having children at home . Nothing at all about men's risks.

[–]fosho_away0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok. Having to care for children is tough and the US doesn’t provide childcare. Nurses, CNAs, techs, and caregivers are overwhelmingly women. They’re not wrong, they’re probably just worried about different things from their POV. Everyone is stressed and not thinking totally straight right now.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I got you. It's been a slow news day on my Google Home so I think the outrage cherry picking is just filling the void. I just listened to a news article about a coronavirus meme page lol

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We're all going crazy.

[–]HappilyMrs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a big worry for me as I've always struggled with my weight. I've frequently ended up in body positivity circles. But I've found that what they are saying now is "There's no proof that weight is the problem, because overall population is fat, so fat people will be in ICU a lot". I've raised the issues of the studies that show it's disproportionate representation, and that fat tissue have more of the ACE2 cells it attacks, but it's ignored and brushed over with podcasts saying that bigger bodies are just fine and there's no risk.

I'm at risk because I am fat. I am working on losing it, and staying as safe as I can in the mean time. But where I originally felt a bit better about being in a space where I didn't hate myself as much, I now just feel really disillusioned and resentful.

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[–]Fromfame-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if covid is just an accelerator for death for men more than women, doesn’t excuse the lack of mention from feminists on how they can address this “gender gap”

[–]Hammocknapping3 Stars91 points92 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Globally, about 40% of men smoke compared to 9% of women. Smoking leads to respiratory issues and pre-existing conditions that make individuals more susceptible to complications related to COVID-19.

Men also tend to have higher rates of obesity, particularly in middle age. Obesity makes your more susceptible to COVID-19.

Men also wash their hands at lower rates compared to women.

Feminists aren’t forcing men to smoke, they aren’t forcing men to be obese, and they certainly aren’t forcing men to skip washing their hands.

[–]fosho_away56 points57 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes, this thread is ridiculous. Who would we direct outrage at? The virus?

Black American women die at disproportionate rates in childbirth, controlling for SES and health factors (obesity etc). Are we also angry about that? How about we use our energy more productively to either solve the problem or do something else positive?

[–]dangernoodle8820 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. I thought this sub was meant to be a departure from the silly "who's more oppressed" antics. If you don't like modern feminism, the answer isn't to apply the same logical fallacies to men to equalize things. Sick of MRA "cool girls" who think they're so edgy and better than feminists. Men and women are meant to work together - let's ditch the gender wars and strive towards a more sensible and cooperative society overall.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Black American women die at disproportionate rates in childbirth, controlling for SES and health factors (obesity etc). Are we also angry about that?

Lots of people are angry about that. I saw a front page reddit thread about it just today.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think that's because they're not dying because of something inherent about their race, they're dying because (statistically) they're not taken as seriously by their doctors. When it's something like bias, it *can* be changed so it's worth getting angry about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, it's definitely part of bias and even generational poverty for many. But there are lots of discussions not being had about who this disease effects and why. The impact on men could be turned to a discussion of what leads them to the behaviors that make them more susceptible.

I don't know that I feel the current conversation, worldwide, is only sexist. It's conveniently selective and exclusionary in many ways and I think it's okay to be upset about that. I feel like the people insisting, repeatedly, that this discussion is stupid, are wasting more time than those discussing it.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even controlling for SES (which is a different issue), black women are treated really poorly by the healthcare profession :(

But yes, I do agree. It's interesting - it seems like society/the media is okay to say "this risk factor is preventable: quit smoking/drinking", but the risk factor of obesity has moved from the "preventable" to the "immutable" category in a lot of people's minds/the mainstream discourse.

And yes, the current conversation worldwide is sexist...and racist and classist and lots of other -ists I'm sure. I appreciate posters like you who are willing to acknowledge that *and* the RP truths too - they can coexist!

[–]fosho_away0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks tea, that's what I meant.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, this thread is ridiculous. Who would we direct outrage at? The virus?

China seems like a good answer, but maybe I'm biased.

[–]Own_Outsideasd7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Devil's advocate: what structural inequities exist that push men towards these unhealthy behaviors?

This isn't how I think, but how feminism frames problems. No agency.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I mean, maybe it's worth thinking that way, when we're talking about broad societal issues.

Why do men turn to smoking, drinking and overeating more than women in the face of stress? Could it be that modern society has lost many of the social structures that used to provide men with social support (eg church, stable male-dominated workplaces, membership in men's clubs etc) and now they're more socially isolated than ever before?

Why do men commit suicide more often than women? Could it be that the modern relationship marketplace means that their relationships are casualised, so they have to maintain 'frame' for their woman perfectly forever or she'll leave him for someone more 'manly'? Because of this they don't get the mental health help that they need. In the past, a woman would stay with her husband, even if he was struggling with trauma - they didn't leave because of 'falling out of love' (a euphemism for losing the butterflies, most of the time). Now, it's more fragile and men are at more risk if they show weakness.

I'm pretty passionate about this stuff. You can have all the agency in the world, but humans are inherently fallible. If there aren't systems in place (in my above examples, robust male social groups and strong marital commitments), then the cards are stacked against successful outcomes.

[–]Own_Outsideasd4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yea that makes sense, I was being contrarian since I thought this was devolving into a toxic masculinity argument, where the solution is neomasculinity. In fact I've never seen the points you mentioned, mentioned in these kinds of arguments. Take upboat.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean, some of it IS toxic masculinity - which might have developed in response to my point #2 above.

I'm passionate about this stuff because I can see how it's impacted my brother. He really struggles, despite being a great young man - he doesn't have the same social network as our grandfathers did, nor the same opportunity for a stable basic job (we can blame globalisation for that one). And he finds it harder in the dating environment because it does seem like young women are more fickle, and less tolerant of any 'weakness' because of how casual and uncommitted the relationships are. If marriage was the norm, he'd have a wife to stand by him during any patches of vulnerability. But long-term dating doesn't seem to inspire quite that same level of sickness-and-health loyalty. So while on one hand it's nice to say he should have agency and take responsibility ('man up, delete facebook and lift'), on the other hand, the context HAS changed and it makes it very difficult. 30 years ago, he would be working in a factory and have married his first GF and there would be more of a robust structure around him providing social and familial support. Now, not so much.

[–]Own_Outsideasd3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This may be semantics, but I do not consider maladaptation to unfavorable situations "toxic masculinity". That's funny because in that sense I am absolving men's masculinity of the blame (i.e. no agency granted to them), as I initially thought you were too.

Your empathy for your brother is impressive.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely semantics but it's interesting. I think the maladaptation itself isn't the "toxic masculinity" but the societal expectation of it is - when it's no longer an individual's response, but an expectation that's culturally enforced. If that distinction makes sense?

[–]Own_Outsideasd2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea I think so, "when an expectation borne naturally from previous circumstances is no longer achievable".

I suppose given my biases, I'm more in the camp of changing the circumstances than changing the response, because changing the response seems to lead to worse outcomes.

That doesn't mean that changing circumstances is more practical, though.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, fair enough! How we do that is a bigger question though...

[–]fosho_away1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men expected to be breadwinners with no societal safety net, for starters. It’s not about no agency it’s about sociological trends and nuance.

[–]Own_Outsideasd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*poorly interpreted sociological trends and nuance, with dysfunctional calls-to-action.

[–]poloiawewdg330 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In the U.S., American middle-aged women are more likely to be obese than their male counterparts. Source:

[–]Hammocknapping3 Stars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I relied on data that was released by the CDC earlier this year.

[–]poloiawewdg330 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

your source says "there were no significant differences between men and women among all adults or by age group"

[–]penneAlavodka11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One big factor is that men smoke more than women. This is why NYC Gov. Andrew Cuomo considered banning the sale of cigarettes for a few weeks. Men also don’t follow general public health advice, don’t go to the doctor as much, don’t wash their hands or use soap as much.

[–]probably_wont34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The thing is, there is no point for outrage when the enemy is not even, strictly speaking, alive. The virus is obviously not intentionally affecting men more, or black people more, so the outrage isn't really warranted (I mention black people because there have been weird articles seeming to imply racist motives behind the virus).

It's a virus. It will kill who it genetically can kill, and if that is men, then it is men. If that is black people, then it's black people.

The fact that men make up large parts of essential manufacturing jobs says more about their personal decisions then it does about society's indifference to men.

[–]alejandrxa8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree. Even if there were “outrage” for the men, staying in and washing your hands will still remain important for everyone. We still do not know enough about this virus to make strong claims about anything right now, and if the outcome is because of men’s hygiene choices it would backfire.

[–]Rodneedstorant4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's a multitude of reasons why men are more likely to be affected by covid19, lets unpack a few of them for the uk.

"In 2014 62% of adults in England were classified as overweight or obese (a body mass index of 25 or above), compared to 53% 20 years earlier. More than two-thirds of men and almost 6 in 10 women are overweight or obese."


"Last week, Diederik Gommers, chairman of the Dutch intensive care association, told TV reporters in the Netherlands that 66 percent to 80 percent of COVID-19 patients in intensive care wards that he had seen were overweight. On the same TV news programme, Peter van der Voort, of Groningen University's teaching hospital, said of the higher numbers of overweight COVID-19 patients in ICU beds: "We don't know why, but it is very noticeable."

Men also tend to ignore health related problems for a far longer time than women, which will lead to more severe cases in the end, this is a common theme of many health related surveys amongst both genders.

Furthermore men in the uk smoke more than women. "In the UK, 17.0% of men smoked compared with 13.3% of women." , which should be relevant, since covid19 primarily affects the lungs.

And i also want to add, that women have "a stronger innate and humoral immune response than males and are thus less susceptible to many bacterial, fungal, parasitic and viral infections, while being more prone to developing an autoimmune disease or malignancies" and therefor most likely have it easier dealing with covid19 from a scientific point of view.

Linking gender specific ways of nature dealing with diseases and poor health choices that differ in severity between the sexes (eating unhealthy -> getting fat, smoking -> fuck up the physical ability of your lungs, not seeing a doctor when needed -> allowing minor treatable health conditions to grow in something major) to the "hypocrisy of modern feminism" is on the same level as linking the use of specific drugs in cases of sickle cell anemia to racism. Which in my opinion leads to the conclusion, that if it would be the other way around, it wouldn't be "hypocrisy of modern feminism", it would be just a retarded human being ignoring the underlying facts to draw traffic and pay their bills with "work" that has no actual worth.

edit: fixed formatting

[–]HappilyMrs[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My point isn't about the reasons men are suffering worse, it's about the fact that no-one seems bothered, which they would be if it was women instead.

[–]Rodneedstorant4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And my point is that is no reason to be bothered, because it is majorly due to personal life choices and differences between the sexes how their respective immune systems will deal with diseases of certain kinds.

If there would be a outrage in the case of switched genders in ICU, it would be just monetarily profiting of "outrage culture" in a global pandemic, that looking closely only would take elderly people and people with medical preconditions sooner to the grave than later, if completely ignored, which in the viewpoint of "survival of the fittest" has its own morbid charme.

All those "feminists" that only thrive by attention and viewcounts are best left alone to starve in their "profession", doesn't matter what they complain about, if they can't draw in views they will die out one by one.

If you want to take your viewpoint to an more reliable topic get in to the "education gap" between the sexes, where more and more women getting into higher education and only can partly be explained by the often surveyed and therefor collectively assumed greater variance of intelligence/IQ in men.

[–]i_cri_evry_tim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get your point and seemingly nobody else wants to.

If 70% of victims were women we would be facing a whole barrage of articles and twitter posts about how

this proves it: society just hates women TM

[–]WildTenderness19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean... I think there are reasons for this. Women eat healthier than men, women are more conscientious health-wise (less likely to go out and more likely to take more precautions if they do), and men are less likely to seek medical help if they have a problem among other things.

Of course men disproportionately working more labour jobs is a very large factor, and that's something to consider. However, I assume that most companies have put policies in place that allow for people to have less contact with each other. Since men are more likely to take risks, it's likely that they're not following these policies as stringently as they should be.

I definitely agree though, if it was the opposite, there would be much more media outrage, and we should be considering it more.

Just some thoughts!

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd be interested to see the stats on how many men vs women are working from home at this time. Men dominate labour jobs, but women dominate low-paid service jobs and caregiving jobs. The garbage collectors are still working, but so are the supermarket cashiers and the childcare centre workers.

[–]Zakdoekjeleggen2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Covid19 binds to ACE2 receptors, those are located in lungs and kidney and testes.

[–]WildTenderness-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't necessarily mean that men have more of those receptors

[–]Blackhawk24791 Star6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Don’t forget that the UK is still only testing the ill in hospital, so the death rate will be disproportionally high.

Also don’t forget that men are roughly twice as likely to contract it than women, and also more likely to have more severe symptoms.

So, no, no need for outrage, it’s a statistically sound outcome.

[–]JadedByEntropy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So is the wage gap, but here we are.

[–]HB32345 Stars5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No extra precautions...? You mean, other than the fact that the world has ground to a halt over over this virus?

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not an "extra" precaution for men only. There aren't any bulletins saying "be careful, especially if you're elderly or male". They're not providing priority grocery deliveries to men. Etc.

[–]Raquel222222 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe because men don’t take harm as seriously as woman. My ex was running around going to BBQs with a bunch of people when my state had started lockdown

[–]ironsoul996 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The discrepancy is due to the fact that men are more likely to have comorbidities. In China it was found that men were much more likely to smoke than women, and since it’s a respiratory disease that’s a big problem. I imagine the same is true here in the US. I don’t think it’s an issue of sexism at all.

[–]ANIKAHirsch1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely hitting men worse, and in serious cases, destroying men's testicles.

[–]Noodlesoupe23 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

that’s like saying that cancer awareness is hypocritical because aids exists. Men can fight for their rights all they want but they dont

[–]MoDuReddit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can fight for their rights all they want but they dont

They can't. That's part of the problem.

[–]fosho_away2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an interesting article for anyone concerned about this disparity and wanting to learn more:

[–]masterdarthrevan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well women do have better immune systems than most men. That's why men suffer more during flu season and women just make fun of men and say it isn't so bad. Both genders get sick differently.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So, I lurk in a ton of feminist spaces. Here is the feminist reaction: "Most healthcare workers are women and men are the ones dying at a higher rate. Poor women! Women are risking their health to take care of men! Men don't appreciate all women do for them!"

I kid you not, this is the bullshit they believe, particularly in the more radical places like the pink-pilled feminist community.

[–]ironsoul999 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can promise you that this is not the opinion of the actual healthcare workers. As someone who falls into a bunch of “groups,” I hate when others speak for me based on what they THINK I should feel.

[–]i_cri_evry_tim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hillary said it best.

“The primary victims of war are all the women who lose their husbands and fathers and sons in combat”

[–]Justskimthetopoff2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So true!

It's also not discussed how it's hitting already marginalized groups of people. The vast majority of those dying are brown/black people. It's terrifying that, at least where I am, the only means of communicating the social distancing / precautions are daily TELEVISED press briefings in English - nice if you have a TV, know to watch, speak the language etc. If you don't - a big SORRY.

Also, the 'hero' status of grocery workers and other vastly underpaid people is so out of touch too. They don't WANT to go to work and ride public transport, but they have a kid and can't go without a paycheck for more than 1 week. And it's not like those who were already in that position had access to amazing healthcare either. So underlying conditions can be unknown!

[–]HappilyMrs[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the UK, workers have been furloughed on 80% pay up to £2,500 a month. But low income grocery store workers are left on the frontline for £1,100 a month. They have no choice but to work, because there's no support financially if they don't.

[–]SentientApe2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disclaimer: I'm not disagreeing with anyone else's comment as to why this is affecting men more, only trying to directly address OP's observations.

These are all /r/MensRights points. The lack of equality in concern for men's issues has been an observation for many years. This virus is just one other aspect to expose the general apathy toward men.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. Instead of yelling into a hurricane just realize it's humanities feature, not it's bug.

[–]HappilyMrs[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I understand the factors in why there's a discrepency biologically, it's the fact that men's disproportionate deaths aren't a concern in the current narrative of the mainstream media and social media.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

When were they ever?

[–]HappilyMrs[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just because they never have been doesn't mean they shouldn't be now, surely? If we want a fair society, that means valuing men too.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there is no 'we', there is no 'should' and their is no fair.

[–]connecticut066110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol it’s also because men in general aren’t as hygienic as women and don’t wash their hands as much. They also tend not to take as good of care of themselves, avoid regular doctors visits etc.

[–]Zakdoekjeleggen-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think some people will be glad there are proportionately more slim young female people left, and it stinks.

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Grow up and learn to think for yourself. Comment removed.

[–]sonder_one1 Star-4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually, many feminists are ranting that some large majority of healthcare workers are women, and thus the crisis is disproportionately harming women.

They will always find a way to make it about them. Theirs is the sort of mindset that would find a way to claim that Jews had it better than Germans in Nazi Germany!

Incidentally, I have yet to have the opportunity to ask a feminist who's claiming that the female majority in nursing means women are disproportionately harmed what she thinks of the fact that every other crisis in history has required work from a male-majority workforce.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's really gross and misogynistic to call other women "bootlickers."

Feminism denies the agency of women constantly. Feminism is a misogynistic play for power that pits women against any women who don't agree with them.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be polite or be quiet.

[–]FactsAngerLiars-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Expendable. Replaceable. Disgusting.

[–]mybrownsweater-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are the weaker sex in some ways. We make fun of "man colds" but men do get hit harder by illnesses. Even male sperm (carrying a Y chromosome) are more fragile than female sperm (X chromosome).

[–]Fromfame-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dated a feminist woman who caught it and was persistent on seeing me because it’s not a big deal for her.

She knows 0 of the mortality rate between the genders nor does she seem to care about it.

Edit: off topic, but about level of assessment. We had a discussion about capitalism vs socialism. Told her free market is capitalism, and free market is macro version of freedom of opportunity. Which is what you’re fighting for.

Her argument?

“Yeah but that doesn’t work because it’ll increase capitalism.”

[–]Fromfame-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we’re using “men smoke more” that’s why covid kills them more. Therefore no “gender gap”.

Then why didn’t we use “men build more companies” but then add “gender gap”?

[–]MoDuReddit-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations. You've just red-pilled yourself about the media and feminists: nobody cares about men.

[–]HappilyMrs[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's been discrepancies that have bothered me for a while, such as societal attitudes towards male domestic violence victims, but this has really troubled me.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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