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"Equity" training at work

December 22, 2020

Some of these equity training sessions at work are unbearable.

For example, there is lots of "we need to hire more women so they don't feel forced to stay at home/have children". I don't disagree that we need to support women who are working, but this one new hire is so incompetent that I think she was hired to fill a "female" quota. And since I'm the only other woman on the team, I'm tasked with mentoring her. She's a very "woke" and blue pill person who just finished school and we don't get along... On top of that, she consistently misses meetings or gets lazy, then tries to shove her work on me.

Because of this, I spoke out about hiring on the basis of merit at our equity training session and got shot down hard. Shot down by other men, mostly, who claimed I wasn't a proper woman because "I'm not a feminist". And this new hire that I'm mentoring also told me that I should be more considerate, since I'm a woman myself. But I think we're very different; I was promoted from software engineer 1 to 2 within 8 months, and she is still struggling with basic tasks (things that our interns can do after 2-3 weeks of training!) after 3 months on the job. Later, two people getting mad at me when I accidentally called someone else "her" instead of "them" (I would never do that if they asked me to use "them", but it was our first meeting together!)... give me a break!

There are sooo many standards in the workplace that make me want to pull my hair out. Can anyone else relate? How do you deal with this kind of stuff without hurting feelings?

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Title "Equity" training at work
Author littleudonbowl
Upvotes 155
Comments 49
Date December 22, 2020 10:38 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]vintagegirlgame73 points74 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

If it really is about “equity” why do YOU have to be her mentor just because you’re a woman? If all things are supposed to be equal, then a man could mentor her. Can the mentorship be passed on to someone else?

If she really is so incompetent then hopefully the problem will take care of itself. But if you’re somehow responsible for picking up her slack then it’s not reflecting well on you.

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[–]littleudonbowl[S] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

THIS. Coupled with the stupid initiatives like "women in engineering" with special programming (social hours, guest speakers, mentor/mentee bonding, etc) that we "should attend together". Makes me look bad for not wanting to mentor her and leaving her to a male mentor (God forbid!) that POTENTIALLY wants to manipulate her (and let's be real, the MeToo movement goes both ways, women are not always victims)...

I'm so fed up lol. I feel like I only get recognition/bonuses/promotions if I'm a "super woke" female engineer that engages in all of the company events that SJWs put on.

[–]hallagodsgift0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“I feel I only get recognition/bonuses promotions if...”

That’s not a feeling. That’s a belief. So evaluate: is it a true belief? From what you said about being promoted quickly, it doesn’t sound like it’s true. It sounds like you are valued and recognized. Don’t let your minor frustrations become resentments that blind you to reality.

[–]cast-away-ramadi067 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because men no longer mentor women due to MeToo because they are scared of losing everything.

Something about the path to hell being paved with good intentions. The issue isn't what these movements are trying to accomplish, the problem is how they go about it. In the mean time, people behave as rational actors with free will and respond accordingly. As for me, there are some women I mentor because I can trust them. But other than those few, I won't meet with a woman alone and you need to do that for mentorship. No real skin of my back but it do reinforce career immobility for a lot of women.

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[–]vintagegirlgame1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it sucks that dental and medical doctors literally have no rights. Their licenses can be taken from them on a whim or a word.

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[–]WTFTRAVELLER-4 points-3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

No, men RARELY mentor women, it's not anything new, at least in my military experience...unless they have an ulterior motive. It's usually bc they don't want rumors to start. "pErCeptION iS reAliTY"

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[–]TheBunk_TB2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I had a experience where a fellow sailor accused me of some "bad stuff"/big level felonies. It shaped and shapes handling of interactions.

(I don't mentor anyone but I steer clear of being flirty with the opposite sex and I discourage my team mates from "shitting where they eat"/being too chummy with the other workcenter's opposite sex coworkers).

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[–]TheBunk_TB1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It never went past character assassination. (Irony is that one of her roommates told me she was doing it).

I have told my coworkers that you need to be cordial and friendly but keep affairs of the heart/pants away from your coworkers

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[–]TheBunk_TB1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Motive? Attention. She found a "new" boyfriend a short time later. He seemed oblivious to what she said.

I went to someone (higher up/trusted) for advice and he (higher up) told me that she tried the same thing with him. We were both scared for our careers. (His was advancement and mine was survival).

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[–]rrsreal0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I had plenty of male mentors while I was in the military. Most of my coworkers were men, the few women were.. well, not nice. And yes, there were always rumors. Perception is reality, ha, the immense truth of that statement.

unless they have an ulterior motive

Well, if you're a relatively attractive woman, this is the case in more places than just work. I've found it to almost always be the case. However, you can still have good relationships / mentorship opportunities with someone who has that motive, as long as you don't entertain it. But, that's my experience.

[–]WTFTRAVELLER0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am relatively attractive so yea, that’s been my experience, unfortunately...I have do have an male mentor now, but it took 11 years to get to this point.

[–]goldensurrender17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can't stand this type of thing. I went to work at a financial firm right out of college and I couldn't navigate all the bs and sheer nonsense of this type of stuff. I decided to abandon the corporate world and I've worked in a natural food store, as an an elderly caregiver and nanny ever since. There's something in me where I literally can't function around all the bs like this in the world nowadays. Sticking to work that is still primarily "women's work" is the only way I can survive or else I would be a nervous/resentful wreck.

[–]luxeluxeluxe6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


I went to an Ivy League college and got a ‘good’ corporate job. Job 1 I left within 6 months. Job 2 I left within 6 months. No one could get why I didn’t stay at my ‘good office job’.

I’m likely an idiot because I genuinely can not do this BS. I can’t do this politics. Mind games. People smoozing. ‘Networking and all the other stuff. My brain and mind just refuses to do it. I’m never going back to jobs like that again

[–]goldensurrender5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SAME. It's almost like I wish I could do it. I performed well in school and I'm plenty smart enough to do it. It's all the social bs that I actually can't do. It's so weird!! Like I burn out so fast because I just can't operate with all that. I do fine in more "blue collar" environments like retail even. I also worked as an assistant at a veterinary clinic for a year. It was fine. Now I'm content as can be nannying. I make pretty good money too!

[–]littleudonbowl[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is solid advice, hopefully one day I'll leave the corporate world (big tech) too. I'm in a tough situation right now because I'm supporting both of us (partner is still unemployed due to Covid). What is your favourite thing(s) about your other jobs?

[–]ILoveCuteKitties45 points46 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell them that you don’t need them “mansplaining” how to be a woman. Use their own bullshit against them.

[–]littleudonbowl[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Love this - I never thought about replying with this, but it's PERFECT! Can't wait to use it after the holidays!

[–]lavachequirie28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The mental backflips you have to do to hire people based on skin color or gender... My friend is new to North America from Japan and I explained to her about equity policies, affirmative action, etc. She thought it was horrifying that people who worked really hard and were qualified for jobs were being passed up because of the Color of their skin. She said “isn’t that racist?”

I’m so sorry you have to experience this in your workplace. It really devalues your hard work and that’s so unfair.

[–]TheBunk_TB8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“isn’t that racist?”

The idea of mental gymnastics that people create. Be racist or sexist so you aren't racist or sexist.

[–]Anoint15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You should note more of the interactions you have with them and have it with consistent time stamps. This makes objectively reviewing them and objectively reporting them easier. It also makes objectively defending your work easier. And if it is an equal opportunity employment, then everyone should be equally critical of the work being done and share equal criticisms. I promote this type of behavior at my company and make a lot of departments hold this standard for every employee. Some new hires actually think it’s quite daunting but it really improves the whole corporate structure because everyone has to work hard, objectively, and nobody can really be thrown under the bus. It protects stage 1 employees as well as directors, and even protects stage 1s from directors. I don’t usually teach these things outside of our corporation because a lot of people actually think it’s radical to take notes on every 5 minute interactions— or when simply switching tasks, so you know how long tasks take per employee. But it’s mostly so that we as a corporation can have the most competitive employees rise to the top, even if they don’t hold college degrees and nobody gets stepped on even if it’s dog eat dog.

I do want to note I’m not a women, but I know competitive work environments very well, and this just wouldn’t fly at my company.

edit: a meno notebook - 4inch works fine.

[–]littleudonbowl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this advice! I only recently started documenting her behaviour, unfortunately, so I have less than 2 weeks of evidence. I should have been more proactive in doing this because I need to protect myself, too. I wish the higher-ups at my job shared your sentiments!

[–]mhandanna12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This won't go away until people start suing for being forced to do these woke sessions.... Im a POC, I honestly can't believe white people are taking this sh*** sat down and being told their racist etc.

With OP, this sounds like your typical quota hire, picked for immutable characteristic not merit or motivation, llazy, gonna drop out in 4 month no surprise.... but that dropout adds to data of women who drop out which makes problem seem even worse, hence they are gonna double down even more

[–]SDezzles6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Change employers if you're so inclined- it's a great way to earn more money. Apply for your dream jobs for a few minutes after work every day.

As a side note, I think we'll probably see the results of these actions in 5-10 years. Businesses still need money to survive. If hiring based on diversity is a good move, businesses which do so will prosper. If not, businesses hiring on merit will do better.

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is the way companies are going now. My husband has experienced equity training and hiring in not-tech and not-california.

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's sjw programs creeping in where they do not belong. It's not necessary and entirely irrelevant to his job.

And yes, it is discrimination when they do theses things but it functions under the concept that only men can be sexist, racism only goes one way, etc etc.

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[–]LateralThinker134 Stars-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's actually very common unfortunately because a lot of managers are male and perverts.


[–]littleudonbowl[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do work for a big tech company, but I'm remote from Canada. Unfortunately, the hiring process is broken (people refer their friends and tell them exactly what the interviewers will ask) and this lends itself to non-meritocratic hiring practices.

I will definitely be looking for a new job in the new year. Best time to start looking is when you just got promoted!

[–]cast-away-ramadi064 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beleive it or not, women in the military have been dealing with similiar things for a while. There are a lot of hard charging women out there and they are generally really tough on women who slack off for this very reason. There's a saying "the tyranny of low expectations" and this is exactly what happens in these types of scenarios.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

NGL I'm taking full advantage of this crap while I can. But yes, it's bs

[–]AlternativeNo61542 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol same Im a dude. Got hired because they think im gay =). Just gotta roll with it at this point. While all the "manly" "redpill" men make 80k a year doing manly jobs, you get to chill in office making 200k.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And that explains why women's happiness is still trending downwards, while men's is not. Doing an easy job for which you're overpaid is one more example of the overinflation of women's egos. Not saying you shouldn't take it, but watch out for how it affects your thinking, because you'll start thinking you're a 200k woman. And when maybe you actually are an 80k woman and that guy making 80k who is competent, masculine, and solid but you reject him for being beneath you...

[–]littleudonbowl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH good for you! It's a crappy system, so you should use it to your advantage :)

[–]GigiReddit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I miss managing men. With women they expect a free therapist/mom that has to put with their shit while they actively try to make you LOOK incompetent as much as possible, when in reality it’s them that are what they accuse you to be.

That’s why I opted out of doing anything for the staff I manage at my current job for Xmas.

You aren’t wrong. Just set yourself up so you cover your own ass at all times. Let Princess fall flat on her face. Just let her fire herself 😉

[–]Wolfssenger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People here like to separate politics from RP, but it's not something you can really do since feminism/identity politics, especially today will worm it's way into every aspect of life. Pretending like they coincide easily or exist separately is lying to yourself.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Document it all. Record missed meetings, put everything written down, report it to your manager. The more documentation, the less she can act malicious. Because understand, a RPW doesn't fare any better than a regular BP man in the workplace; if anything, you're worse off when you become perceived as the gender traitor that you are (to Feminism/wokeness).

[–]DaisyDuke242 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If leadership actually cared about hiring more women, when they find that they don't have qualified female candidates, they should be evaluating their recruiting process -- not hiring unqualified women. Take down the job posting, try something new -- new job boards, new advertisment, new wording, and then start the recruiting process over again. This lazy hiring just gives women like you (awesome and competent at your work) a worse reputation.

[–]Lemongrass16730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm late to responding to this, but I think it's better that I found why this behavior pisses me the fuck off.

Maybe I take this kind of slacking too personally (I probably sound harsher than I mean), but whenever someone does this, I think they're being disrespectful of their coworkers. After all, it's a workload that wasn't yours, and with your own, she isn't being considerate of how hard you work.

I'm probably naive, but I don't understand why it's so hard for HR to emphasize respect for your coworkers as a point of a good work environment for everyone, not just about social justice. If people have internal conflicts in a team without race/gender brought into it, it still is a problem, and isn't anymore likely to provide decent results. Yes, I get bullying can be a problem based on certain traits, but abusing your more passive yet hardworking coworkers isn't any less disrespectful.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Live not by lies, my friend. What is a ‘them’? If you don’t believe that person is a mythical third gender, then don’t use that term. If you see an unproductive and unhealthy pattern, such as work hiring methods come up at work, please, continue to say something.

The only way we start to get ourselves out of this nonsense is by stop being quiet and with love and compassion standing up for the truth. It’s not easy to be brave, but please don’t lose heart.

[–]Syn-Ack-Attack0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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