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For any young women here planning to have children "later"... be careful that it doesn't become "too late".

April 5, 2021

It never seems to be the right time when you're young these days. There's too much going on, or you're not sure if the guy you're with is The One. Then suddenly you're in your mid thirties and the realization hits you that your fertility window is almost completely gone.

That happened to me. I was never a serial dater and only had three guys that I was in long relationships with, but I focused a lot of my attention on school, then college and then my job.

With the benefit of hindsight, I also made a lot of demands of them that were no doubt exhausting and contradictory. I'd tell them that I want them to take charge more and then get annoyed that they weren't doing it "properly". And that's just one example of how I sabotaged myself.

Now I'm 34, single and childless. It's a special kind of existential dread when you realize you've crossed a line that you can't go back from.

Funnily enough, this realization came because of a gag gift from a friend. She knows I like fantasy novels and hate bodice rippers, so she naturally bought me a bodice ripper with a fantasy setting for my birthday.

With a title like "Bindings of Lust" and a cover featuring a demon pinning a girl against a wall, it was pretty obvious what it was about, but I got curious in spite of myself. As expected, it was a fairly standard bodice ripper, but what really struck me about it was the protagonist.

Just a young girl whose primary desire in life was to get married and have babies. I'm not even sure what my primary goal in life was aside from grinding through my education like I was supposed to, but I know that I put marriage and babies in some nebulous "later" category.

Well, it's "later" now and I can almost feel my womb seething bitterly for how I neglected it. I can't imagine that I'll manage to find a man willing to marry a woman my age and start a family before what few eggs I have left rot away.

I made this account after lurking anonymously for years both because I wanted to share my story in the hope that it would spare someone my regrets, and because I can't really talk to anyone about it IRL. They'll just assure me that I'm still beautiful and amazing and that I'll definitely find a man. I might find a man, but will he want children with me, or will we both just be getting together because we're "leftovers"?

On a final note, does anyone have any suggestions for what to do with my unfulfilled maternal instinct? I'd rather not become a cliche cat lady if I can help it.

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Title For any young women here planning to have children "later"... be careful that it doesn't become "too late".
Author headshrink1987
Upvotes 205
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Date April 5, 2021 4:55 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Underground-anzac-99 44 points45 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m older than you and getting divorced after my husband discovered his shoddy lifestyle had seriously hampered his fertility and it was somehow my fault (he smokes because I’m annoying) and he realised he only married me for the short term but wants babies with some other girl, or something.

Life is just... messy. Maybe I should have concentrated on getting married at 20 but I never met the right person, and when I did, well, I didn’t and have the indignity of not just being a for-now girlfriend but essentially a practice wife.

Fertility runs late in my family, my grandmother had her last at 46 but for me it’s hardly ideal but out of my hands. Just keep yourself healthy and don’t treat every date like a job interview. It’s all hard, I know xx.

[–]Underground-anzac-99 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And ps OP whether you find a man or not your attitude towards yourself and your poor eggs aren’t going to lure them in. Be kind to yourself.

While we all understand these realities many men would prefer to defuse a loudly ticking bomb than deal w a loudly ticking biological clock.

[–]Buckley92[🍰] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow. May your soon to be ex husband have his sink forever full of dirty dishes and may every single future partner of his be absolutely useless at housework.

[–]Underground-anzac-99 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s funny you say that as one of his beefs was that all I did was “cook” and no cleaning. Cooking included shopping daily, preparing dinner every night, washing up, clearing the fridge, packing breakfast and lunch, loading and unloading the dishwasher.

He vacuumed on the weekends and did the laundry, though I usually took it in and put it away. He was incredibly resentful of this even though he refused to cook a meal. So... probably for the best as children would have made things worse, I guess?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love this. 💕🙏

[–]Underground-anzac-99 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do? Thank you. Life never turns as you expect I guess.

[–]sunny2weather 50 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'll have less opportunities because the pool is smaller, but the opportunities will be there nonetheless. Try to make as many friends, men and women, as possible, and a love match will inevitably happy if you stay open minded. At least, that's what I genuinely believe. There are options outside of biological children.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not being a single mother is a huge positive if you're looking for a man to commit. What you need to take stock of, however, is what you have to offer that men want. If you want to find a husband/life partner, you need to worry less about finding him and more about having something that will make him pick YOU.

[–]beidran 70 points71 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't give up on having biological children just yet. You still have at least a decade of decent fertility left, give or take some years based on your individual biology. My grandmother had my mother at age 40, and my mother had my sister at age 38. I didn't have my first child until the age of 40, and I'm pregnant with my second at 44. Yes, the window is closing, but you still have time to find a compatible man, and not all men who want families will be put off by your age. While you are waiting to attract the right person into your life, do you have any friends or family members with young children? Developing relationships with them will be a valuable and rewarding experience, regardless of whether you end up with children of your own. The most important thing, I think, is to move past any bitterness at your choices and your situation. It is not your friend and will only hinder you at this point.

[–]gretawasright 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my stars yes. This. My grandmother had my father at 46. As a physician I suggest you at least look into freezing your eggs before your window for that closes. But if your goal is marriage and a family, do not put yourself in the "too late" category!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, for giving me hope 💕

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

At what age did you get married? 💕

[–]beidran 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't find my husband until I was almost 38. I had written off having kids, even though I could finally see myself having some with him. Getting pregnant took me completely by surprise!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You have given me so much hope! Thank you and thank you for sharing 🙏😘

[–]beidran 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! I wish you the best. The great thing is that life can surprise you, especially if you're open to it.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 41 points42 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hear Hear. I am now not young anymore. When I look at my peer group, two girls stand out. Both gorgeous, smart, and career focused. Both overlooked many good guys and thought there would always be someone there for them. Both waited too long. They are both too old now to have their own kids. One is still single, the other married in her 40’s to a divorced dad.

On the other hand, I saw overweight, not-very-attractive but nice and guy-friendly girls get married and have kids. Your focus and attitude make a huge difference.

[–]aussiedollface2 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think your message is good. But don’t be defeatist! OP maximise your happiness, appearance and lifestyle and get out there dating. My best friend met and moved in with her beautiful partner and she’s 36 (35 when they met). You’re still within the fertility window. Good luck xoxox

[–]Lando_620 40 points41 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Modern feminism tells women to do things backwards...your career should be "later" and marriage/family primary.

If women spent 18-22 in college but dating with serious intent. Say 2-3 year long relationships. I would advise trying a relationship with one man age 18-23, one man 26-29 and one 31-34 the reason being is women have basically three tiers of risk in commitment.

The youngest men are the highest risk of becoming low status men, rarely even knowing their career path. The middle is moderate risk as he has started his path but might not be a success yet. The eldest group the safest in terms of known status as they are basically established. The issue is the men have more options the higher their status, meaning you risk them picking someone over you as it is competitive.

If women did that, then at 22-24 they could focus on really finding their ideal risk level and date seriously in that range. At 25-26 marriage and then kids. This would put them at moderate career freedom between 35-40 once the kids are teens and they could then find a hobby or purposeful career.

As for what you should do...I would mentor kids between 5-15, particularly girls to share your experiences and shape them. The lies of lefty/woke/modern feminism has done so much damage because it took over Education & cultural institutions. So you should help take it back in an individual & fulfilling way. If you really want kids yourself you may have to significantly drop your standards...their are plenty of overlooked men that are still solid men. You just have to forget the Disney fairytales.

[–]-Acta-Non-Verba- 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's how my MIL did it. Married right out of college, raised 4 kids, THEN went to work and became a High School principal.

You can have it all, but not at the same time. And keeping biology in mind, do first things first.

[–]golden_eyed_cat 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm really sorry you are going through this, and sincerely hope that you'll find a man who will genuinely love you and give you the children you desire so much! In the meantime, perhaps you could volounteer at an orphanage? Although the children won't be biologically yours, you might manage to bond with them, and fulfill your desire to nurture someone.

[–]hcinimwh 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You still have time. Stay fit and healthy.

[–]RP_Bear9 15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

On a final note, does anyone have any suggestions for what to do with my unfulfilled maternal instinct?

Still get married - and to a man who already has children.

[–]SouthernGrass3 21 points22 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I came here to write this. Being receptive to dating someone with children will also significantly increase your chances of meeting a high value, family oriented husband.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I had always been open to being a step mom but never really met quality single dads. I'd love to be a mom without birthing!!

[–]JadedByEntropy 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wombs do seethe. Like, why? Im not even one for babies but wombs don't care. Wombs want babies when you hit 30

[–]SouthernGrass3 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol. I’m 31 and have no desire for children but I did start feeling extra nurturing toward my pet over the last year 😂

[–]Peaceandheart 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmaoooo you’re funny

[–]MamaAbroad 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They have to. Pregnancy and bringing a child into the world are a huge amount of work, sacrifice, and risk, especially for a woman, so the woman’s body has to have a strong drive. I’m 35 and just gave birth to my last baby. The pregnancy was healthy but extremely exhausting. I can’t imagine being older. I have several friends who were teen Moms and they all told me how easy it is to have a baby in your late teens versus your late 20s!

[–]rammerplex 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ok, your concerns are reasonable, but don't obsess about it. I will include a graphic from the NY Times from a few years ago (https://i.imgur.com/3JQsmNl.jpg) that says a 34 year old woman could on average have between 3 and 6 children by age 45.

Everyone is different, so no guarantees, but you have every reason to believe that you can be the mom you want to be when you find the partner that works for you.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's less about being able to have children and more about not having a viable protect to have children with. Men who date 30 something women generally don't have kids on the mind.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they're usually 40-something men. Majority of men in that category already have, or don't want, kids. Not many men want to be sending a child to college when they're 60+ and looking at retirement.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Could, but let's be realistic. Most don't. If you want a large family, you usually have to start earlier.

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Having had two in two years (because I'm old) explitivehere are they exhausting. We might go for one more, maybe. If we started when we got together a decade ago we could have had more still and better spaced out.

Btw- how's fatherhood treating you?

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great so far, thanks!

[–]mandoa_sky 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you can still have kids. it's harder medically but I've met ladies close to 40 who have them.

[–]Chadthunder01 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have one suggestion... You may not be a mother, but you can become a provider, supporter and role model for your cousins, nephews or community. Perhaps educating those you care about on what not to do and give them advice and guidance for the upcoming youth. So they can navigate through life easier and pass down the family genes better than the last, I'm starting to consider doing this for my second cousin that is 16 and is kind of dweeb and nerd, but really sweet, smart and creative kid. He has good family money but an eager enthusiastic young worker with a unrealistic worldview that i know some people would take advantage of, he's a good kid with a good heart and don't want him to suffer through the confusion, lack of support and depression i did. I want to be a strong role model for him to rely upon for when he needs it.

[–]BitchySaladFilosofer 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can always adopt children. I'm 29, and the older I get, the less I want physical children because I'm sure it'll destroy my body. You could always marry someone that already has kids. You could freeze your eggs. There's invito. You have options.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't destroy it, but it does change it. That said, what exactly are you "saving" your (aging, slowly declining) body for?

[–]BitchySaladFilosofer 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather have a slowly changing body, than a rapidly changed one.

[–]growingstronk 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you considered midwifes? That way the child will be yours but you won’t bear the weight of the pregnancy

[–]83sp54ch 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

For any young women here planning to have children “later” . . . Realize “later” is a relative term and have them whenever you damn well please.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no. That's blue pill advice. Fertility declines, and declines sharply after about 35. Wait too long and you join the multitudes of barren, childless women out there who thought they could have it all and waited and waited. Careers don't fill empty cradles. That's okay to some women, but not most.

[–]golden_eyed_cat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I might have to disagree with you! Although every person is entitled to their own life choices, women are the most fertile in their late teens and early twenties, and once they get pregnant, it is easier for them to carry the child, give birth, and heal after labour. Therefore, it might be best for most women to have children while they are still young (in their twenties), and not put off this step in life.

[–]rosnha 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm just going to say here that there are some things you can't plan or predict. There's no sense in beating yourself up for it. You should date keeping in mind that you need a man who wants the same things as you do.

34 is still plenty of time. But whether it happens for you or not, I think you should still focus on having the best life. Children are nice but they are hard work and they do go away, so you are still left with yourself at the end of the day. Some women feel they gave the best years of their life to child-rearing and regret flows both ways, so either way, there is no winning.

Have fun. Hope you find a great man whose kids you would want and it's all worthwhile in the end.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for sharing this. All my ideas have been mentioned in other comments. I really hope things work out well for you. My heart goes out to you.

[–]classicalspaghetti 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe get married and adopt? Idk what the laws are where you live, but my country sure has some strict ones, but they allow for married couples tho

[–]Chicasayshi 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as you still have a period it’s not too late. A lot of people get pregnant using artificial insemention as well. I heard of one guy who was donating his sperm and had over 100 kids he donated for. Apps like Just a baby could help you find donors as well, or going to a doctor and starting the place of getting sperm that matches your needs and having it fertilized in you.

You can also get to know a guy and let him know your goal is to have a marriage and kids soon instead of being in a relationship for years and years with no kids.

Best of luck!

[–]lovelyllamas 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup. Same here. I’ll be 31 tomorrow and I feel like the ship sailed and I have no idea what my purpose in life is since my eggs are dying by the minute basically. all I can think of is if I have a kid at let’s say 35 I’ll just be an old hag and not enjoy milestones the way I would if I was 10 years younger.

[–]catcatcat000 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Can you afford to freeze your eggs? At 34 you are definitely not over the hill (!) and your eggs are probably still in great nick but if you want to meet someone and spent a couple of years together, by late 30s you might struggle with fertility.

A single friend of my is 42 and for 3 years has been trying to get pregnant via IVF with no success. The problem is likely egg quality and she desperately wishes she had frozen her eggs earlier or started IVF sooner.

I hope you get your fairytale story - I remember having a weird feeling of my arms being empty before having babies, and just wanting to have a little child to hold. It's such a strong instinct in some ladies and means that hopefully you will make a fantastic mother some day!

[–]Lando_620 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Freezing eggs & IVF are longshots and in my opinion just another way women have been lied to to milk them of resources.

...the rest is a bit of rant...

Look at most mega corporations...they target women because women make 70-85% of the buying market. Their ads support these feminists agenda & lefty policies, they sell these hopes & dreams of fairytales. Why because on average women are more emotionally compulsive, but a married woman spends far less frivolous money & mother's even less. So the system wants single women, it promotes onlyfans, Instagram influencers and promiscuous women because that attention is addictive and hollow for them. It makes them less emotionally stable and provides them with money given by low status men. This means these women can spend more money on longshots and fairytale promises.

Look at the depression rates & mental health rates of left leaning women, especially age 18-29...it is more than double that of conservative women at the same age. Young women are also much unhappier in general. They have been told to deny biological truths, they've been told they deserve fairytale endings, they've been shamed for enjoying the feminine role & praised for mimicking the masculine one. They've been told having kids as a single mom is great even though it has been shown in every study that it is terrible for children and no real man wants to invest in another man's pump & dump.

The system is broken and women (not all, but most voted for it.) Look at athletic/sports...it is only a matter of time before every female sport scholarship goes to non biological women, before all pro female teams are full of non biological women. The left emotional manipulate to destroy families, divide friends & neighbors then promises to be the provider male role to all these dependent women they create. It is racket, to gain power & control people.

[–]theubernoob 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That is a bit of a rant and it seems like it's trying to paint some puppet master behind the scenes, manipulating the population for their personal gain. I think there are kernels of truth in there, but to string it all together in order to place the blame on a certain group of people doesn't sit right with me. For example, we should consider the feminist movement as one which wants to eliminate unfair treatment, and not one which drives single females to consume more or whatever you're getting at. That's not to say that there aren't people who benefit financially from feminism and possibly promote it in order to further their own interests. But you're taking that little kernel of truth and blowing it up into a big conspiracy. Like, it's not just a matter of time before nonbiological women take over women's sports, like, walk some of that stuff back a little bit. Or at least take a deeper dive into your own thought process.

[–]Lando_620 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That is a bit of a rant

I said it was.

seems like it's trying to paint some puppet master behind the scenes, manipulating the population for their personal gain.

I mean it is my perspective and think it is an issue but when I read most of the goals of leftist groups and the laws most Democrats push. They literally are taking the wrong course of action every time. To score a zero you have to know how to score a hundred...so they must be gaining something from scoring 0.

For example, we should consider the feminist movement as one which wants to eliminate unfair treatment

Perhaps at one time...but that was decades ago. Also, what definition of "fair" are you using?

Rights? Name a single right men have that women don't in a modern western society.

  • Government aid, overwhelming goes to women.
  • Abuse shelters 99.5% women only.
  • Homeless aid/programs/shelters priority women. Which is why 70-80% of homeless are men.
  • Women receive reduced sentences for committing the same crime as a man by a factor of 8+.
  • Non-merit based scholarships 73% go to women (up to 90% for black Americans) and they average 2.3 times the rate of ones that go to men.
  • affirmative action encourages less qualified women take top spots in most STEM fields simply because they are women.
  • 70-80% of divorce is filed by women, they get primary or total custody 90%+ of the time.

I can keep going but I think my point was made. Also, life isn't fair, men & women aren't equal...apart from basic rights...especially not in relationships. Most men don't have the social intelligence of women and most women are physically weaker. We are different. Relationship wise women often say they want to date up...that by definition means the men they want to date have more value.

Look at marriage and birth rates...right now the modern feminist class of women has reached 30-40 and they are discovering they were lied to and they may not have a happy ending... certainly not the Disney fairytale they were promised.

Like, it's not just a matter of time before nonbiological women take over women's sports

The Williams sisters once said they could compete with men. So the guy ranked 206th I believe accepted he played them back to back after a lunch of beer & cigarettes as he put it. He crushed them both. Look at baseball...as soon as a major league team hired a black man they all had to in order to compete. As soon as a WNBA team hires 1 trans women they all will have to in order to compete.

Anyways, I'm happy to discuss any point as communication is how we grow but I'm going to need evidence, not feelings.

[–]theubernoob2 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I said it was.

Yep, was just agreeing, tough to pick up my tone in text though.

There's some quote about not attributing to malice what can be explained by ignorance, or something like that. Politicians are mostly stupid puppets who grew up in a life of privilege and are engaged in feeding their own narcissism and pockets. If that means championing gender neutral bathrooms or building a wall, that's what they're going to push for. It isn't in some grand plot against men or something.

Yes, men and women are different, but should be treated equally, as much as reasonably possible. But that is tough to do and we see the pendulum swing from one gender's favor to the other, depending on the circumstances.

Like I said, it's very gray, lots to consider, we aren't gonna hash it out in this comment section. Only thing I'll really stand firm on is there is no grand conspiracy which I feel like you want to exist. And people are generally stupid, especially in consideration of how to treat other people.

[–]Lando_620 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Text is the worst medium of communication.

I would normally agree to the ignorance over malice statement, however as I said they are batting a complete 0, ignorance would mean they occasionally get it right...but they don't.

Can you give an example of what you mean by equally? I'm trying to understand the definition you're using of equal.

I'm not so much saying it is a grand conspiracy, the corporations are exploiting it on their end, because they know what it is doing. The government is doing the same, it is more a symbiotic parasitic relationship. I'm just trying to draw attention to it so we can combat it.

Appreciate your input, and the conversation.

[–]Ro_Pee 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re bang on.

[–]hexicat1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Same boat. It's hard, I'm stuck in an LDR with my SO who's still immature. He's indenial that I am getting older. I'm also borderlining in PCOs, which means I'll have a hard time conceiving. Now that I am in my 30s with that condition I don't know how things will work out. I don't know what advice to tell people, I had been very passive and focused on my work because I felt tthat I didn't had other choices. I was insecure with myself and was not really interested in datiing either. Maybe an advice would be to not fucking waste your time on the wrong guy.

The problem is you never really know that you're with the wrong person until its too late. I'm still in the relationship because I can't think of any better solution atm aside from earning as much as I can so that I can afford to be a parent (either through adoption or artificial incimination). That might also mean being a single parent, I'm still deciding if I can be selfish like that.

[–]Lando_620 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

...please don't be a single parent on purpose. It is literally the worst thing you can do for a kid.

[–]Buckley92[🍰] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

While I understand where you're coming from with not waiting too long, you strike me as someone who has rather poor self esteem and a very negative self image. Just looking at the choice of your language, 'I can almost feel my womb seething bitterly for how I've neglected it...' 'Before all my eggs rot away...' 'Will we both be getting together because we are 'leftovers'?' it seems to me that you view most of your self worth in your fertility and/or your perceived infertility, and this is something that really bothers you, and has caused you a great loss of confidence. While you shouldn't stop looking for the right person, I strongly recommend getting therapy to help deal with your overall self image.

And my mother had me at thirty nine. There is hope.

Also to answer your question about a man and you only getting together because you are 'leftovers': Just because a man is not tall, doesn't have abs, has glasses, is a little older, has no degree, etc, doesn't mean he is 'leftovers'. And if he is 'leftovers', so what? If he is honest, kind, has integrity, is not tooooooo old, is hardworking, can have a half decent conversation, and appreciates you, and you him, who cares whether or not he is 'leftovers'?

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[–]Buckley92[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not completely sold, I'm a fencesitter.

[–]Cherished_PRselector -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would recommending adopting a child or have a child on your own right now. You can find the guy later. I would make it a top goal even if it is stretch financial. Just like you said -no excuses. Just do it.

[–]VictoriaSobocki 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. I hope you’ll find what you’re looking for

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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