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Forget Chad and Dylan Thundercock. Set your sights on Michael Thunder, the poor cousin.

July 25, 2019

Michael Thunder’s family dropped the cock from their last name years ago to disassociate themselves from the scandal and entitlement of the Thundercock family. They were not interested in the attention that this family always seemed to call to themselves. Instead, they wanted to live a simpler life and raise their children to be happy and find a measure of success and fulfillment in their lives.

Michael Thunder is every bit as handsome and intelligent as his cousins, Chad and Dylan, but he is hidden under a layer of grime. Of course this grime comes off in the shower and the dirt under the fingernails comes clean. A clean shave and clean clothes and he is gorgeous. But the fact of the matter is that he will come home dirty tomorrow and the next day, and so on, and you might have to do his laundry.

Why in the hell would you pick Michael Thunder? Because it takes a little dirt to grow, sweat, and hard work to succeed, when a man starts with nothing other than his brains and his brawn. And a man who starts from nothing and works hard to succeed will place great value in a woman who works next to him and that in itself is enough for a happy marriage. But remember that Michael is intelligent and he will work to do his best to provide and bring his children up to be happy and succeed, just as his parents did, and in the end he gives his wife the peaceful, secure happy life she wants.

It is not your typical woman who will find happiness with Michael Thunder. It takes a woman who is willing to let her man see her at her worst as she gets dirty and sweats next to him while helping him repair the washing machine or unclog the drain. And her man will love her for it and this is where the idea of wife googles comes into play. It also is essential… essential… that a woman recognize she will be a middle class wife. She will not be a socialite, she will not vacation in exotic places, and she may never have her dream home.

This is where the wisdom of Whisper’s post comes home to roost.

Shared goals are one of the three elements of a successful relationship (along with mutual attraction and shared values), and so, to be successful in relationships, you need to know what your real relationship goals are, and to be able to figure out what those of the men you date are.

Figure out what it is that you want from a mate. If you want adventure, and change and excitement in your life, Michael Thunder is not for you. If you need money to find contentment, Michael Thunder is not for you. If you want a man who will pamper you, Michael Thunder is not for you. If you want a man whom you can depend on, a man who will do his best to provide for his family, and a man who uses his brains to get ahead in life, give the mechanic who is working to get his own garage, the landscaper who is working to start his own nursery, the construction worker who is working to start his own remodeling business a chance. Look past the grime and see the diamond underneath.

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Title Forget Chad and Dylan Thundercock. Set your sights on Michael Thunder, the poor cousin.
Author stevierose789
Upvotes 64
Comments 38
Date July 25, 2019 11:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/RedPillWomen/forget-chad-and-dylan-thundercock-set-your-sights.246876
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/chvibn/forget_chad_and_dylan_thundercock_set_your_sights/
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[–]Drummerboy860 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is not your typical woman who will find happiness with Michael Thunder.

No wonder so many countless women are miserable and alone.

[–]your_cat_is_ugly_5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Middle class women that is. Marrying a man who earns less than you is a disaster.

[–]FluffyLlamaPants1 Star17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

While Michael sounds like a lovely, hard-working, muscly, sweaty model of a man for the middle class America, I'll definitely pass.

Why is he poor? I mean, he's got brains, brawn, and looks. So being poor, while sounds romantically noble, also sounds like a man who settled into mediocrity, has no plans to expand his skill set and has no ambition.

And while that's all fine and dandy when we're both 25, young, full of life, in love...it starts to lose its charm when you're watching your once-strong and verile Michael work his hands to the bone at the same job year after year ... because it's all he knows, because it's all he's willing to take from life...

Like a beast of burden. Like that old mule who keeps pulling the old plow - strong, proud, and so very, very tired.

Michael's a rare diamond in the rough? Nah. The world's full of them. Someone's gotta plow the fields for the rest of us.

Poor Michael is the man we marry because he's a sure bet. He's the guy who will stubbornly keep providing for me because "that's what a good man does". Been there, done that. Never works out how we think it'll work out.

[–]stevierose789[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit are you bitter! I am sorry you settled for a beast of burden. I think you missed the point of my post. Michael is a laborer who is working to start his own company. He is a diamond in the rough because of his potential. He just has to start by pulling the plow. He does not have to stay there.

[–]FluffyLlamaPants1 Star0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Of course he doesn't. I'm not the one who described him as "poor Michael". Having potential is not what makes a diamond in the rough a diamond. Reaching it does.

We all have potential coming out of our ears. Very few of us actually reach it.

[–]stevierose789[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are no guarantees in life. Michael might not reach his potential, just as a boy who is given very advantage in life might fuck it up. Just don't dismiss Michael because he comes from a working class background.

[–]FluffyLlamaPants1 Star0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasn't the point of my reply at all. I was cautioning about romanticizing the ideal. As other posters pointed out - most women they know are married to a Michael. Most women I know as well, are married to one.

Because Michaels are generally safe, reliable, and easy to control. That's all.

[–]stevierose789[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that Michaels are generally safe and reliable, but they are not easy to control. They would never succeed in business if they were.

[–]tianara10124 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of my current SO! Comes from a lower socioeconomic class, but is smart and works hard in college to be able to provide for his future family. I think I got the best of both worlds and feel extremely lucky to have him.

[–]stevierose789[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a keeper.

[–]cmj870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

<3 :)

[–]failingtheturingtest28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is devolving into romanticising about Blue Pill ideals instead of anything useful. Your imaginary man is exactly that, imaginary.

[–]Guywithgirlwithabike3 Stars8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think we've jumped the shark now.

The RP subs discuss Coca-Cola so frequently that eventually Pepsi had to come up - but that doesn't mean RC Cola and every knockoff on Walmart's shelves are worthy of discussion.

[–]stevierose789[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I recognize I went too far with this, but Walmart?

[–]stevierose789[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess I'll just go back to my romantic life and wash the work clothes of my imaginary man.

[–]RubyWooToo3 Stars10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Meh, I don’t think this works, because there are no archetypes for a good husband, or, more importantly, a strong and healthy relationship.

People need to find someone that’s attractive to and compatible with them, and who shares their goals and values. For some women, that might be a man with grease on his hands; for others; he wears a suit and hires people to do the chores he can’t or won’t do.

[–]stevierose789[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes I agree. However, I wanted to point out that there are high value men out there that many women don't recognize because they don't fit the stereotype of well dressed and wealthy.

[–]RubyWooToo3 Stars6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, men in the trades are better off financially than most men working white collar jobs. They don’t have crippling student loan debt and there’s considerable job market demand for their skills.

The first of my friends to buy his own house was an airplane mechanic. The two best houses on my street (other than mine of course 😉) are owned by a landscaper and contractor.

[–]clitclamchowder3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I married a Michael Thunder. My parents were very disappointment, I sure as hell am not. We are so damn poor but so damn happy

[–]FleetingWishEndorsed Contributor3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's so much more than a man than what he does for work. He could be a mechanic, a doctor, or a accountant. But none of those job descriptions tell you enough to know if he has shared values with you and if you can respect him.

It's obvious you have a lot of respect for your husband, and I think the point of your post is "don't overlook Michael just because he is a mechanic"... However don't fall into the trap of thinking Michael is great because he is mechanic. Michael is great because he is hard working, smart, dependable, loving, and a great father.

Michael being a mechanic is just how he chose to use his talents, he is easily smart enough to apply himself to anything he wanted. So this is ultimately just another manifestation of the Alan archetype and so this is redundant and unnecessary.

Michael works for you because you respect him. But it's most important that he is able to earn your respect, what he does to earn it is not.

[–]stevierose789[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with all that you say here. However, I want to point out that Michael is a laborer who is working to start his own company. I think many missed that point. I am not suggesting that his choice of work is noble and that it is romantic to be poor. I am pointing out that there are women who will dismiss him at first glance if he is in his work clothes with dirty hands. It is the whole "don't marry down mentality" I recognize my mistake in making Michael another stereotype, but there are young men out there with a great deal of potential that I hate to see women dismiss because they are too blind to see past their present circumstances.

[–]THE_MASKED_DOWNVOTTO25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

o_o good lord.

At this point, incels should just start a comic book series with all these characters.... starring Chad, Chad-lite, Stacy, Becky, and all kinds of other characters they pull out of their ass.

[–]stevierose789[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, If you are going to have a good comic book you have to introduce a hero or two.

[–]eazolan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, just let people have their fun.

[–]TheNewBo9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These are absolutely amazing. Keep them coming!

[–]phoenix_shm1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]your_cat_is_ugly_2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I know lots of women who married 'Michael Thunder'. He's not overlooked at all, however, I am from a working class community.

[–]stevierose789[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes Michael Thunder does come from a working class community. He may leave that community as he makes his way or he may decide to stay there and do his best to improve what he can. The point is that a man can start with nothing and end up with a good life if he sets his sights on it. I think that is where the idea of a good captain fits.

[–]your_cat_is_ugly_0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

More often than not Michael Thunder marries a working class woman and gives her a good life. My best friend's father is a Michael Thunder. He is in his 60s and very physically fit and takes good care of his health. He is a self made man and cleans windows and does landscape gardening and he and his family live a good quality of life. His father cleaned windows and did odd construction jobs until the day he died in his late 80s. He died with a networth of 1 million.

[–]stevierose789[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And it is the Michael Thunders who start the old money families and the cycle repeats. I think what is import to point out is the role that Michael Thunder's wife plays in this scenario. She is the woman who is happy to start out in humble beginnings because she loves her husband and trusts that he will take care of her and her children, but she also enters into the marriage knowing that she will have to pull her own weight. She is going to have to figure out her own talents and how to use them to help her husband plot a secure future for their family.

[–]your_cat_is_ugly_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My friends mom never really had to do anything. She was a housewife when the kids were young and now she works in retail.

[–]stevierose789[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you underestimate the role she played in raising her children and her decision to take on a job when it was a benefit in terms of finances or her own mental health.

[–]your_cat_is_ugly_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a housewife and a SAHM nowadays is super easy. I should know, I am one.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Love a bit of dirt on a man. I never find myself checking out the suits. Always the grubby manual workers.

[–]stevierose789[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Give me a man with dirty hands and a clean life.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

dirty hands, muscles glistening with sweat and that hard working man smell.

I need a cold shower now.

[–]GlitteringSherbet80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

More characters! 👍

[–]imanewwoman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t read a single argument in favor of setting my sight on a poor man or someone who does manual labor. Looking for a hard working, committed man is already implicit in every RPW discussion.

This character has random pieces of personality, goals and careers put together. Seems more like an elaborate “I’m not like the other women” story.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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