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[–]StingrayVC[S] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I've read many women claim that feminism is about choice; a woman's ability to choose what she wants. At one time, maybe this was true and even though some mainstream feminist will still spout this because it sounds good, when it comes right down to it, they don't actually believe it.
They have formed a herd, and if you decide not to join their herd and become a traditional wife and mother, you will be derided for it, regardless of their platitudes.
[–]MegMartinson2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Feminists will declare you are a victim of "Internalized Patriarchy".
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[–]berryokt0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that's even worse, because if we are not feminists, they assume we hate ourselves and all women. I have been told countless times that I must have no self-esteem or self-respect to follow my husband. I think that is just a more acceptable way for them to say they have no respect for me.
[–]MegMartinson0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pardon Me! ... :-) ... I must not be a feminist. I don't really remember all the feminazi dogma, lingo, and bullshit.
[–]what_no_pudding0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly this. I had an unusual experience a few weeks ago...
I was out with some co - workers and we were having one of those brief conversations, in passing, about relationships. I mentioned I sometimes make coffee for my husband (keurig) and bring it to him.
My friend was horrified and said 'men will never learn to do things on their own if they're being catered like that'
I laughed and said I'm not being oppressed, I do it because I enjoy doing nice things for him . It's just coffee....
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Their lack of self-awareness is astounding--it's hard to believe that the women quoted in the article can't see their hypocracy. Well, actually, it's not hard to believe, since self-awareness appears to be a trait that women must cultivate in themselves, and clearly those women have not attempted to do so.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Great article. This is a common problem I have with all the feminists in my life. They preach open-mindedness and choice, but what they mean is "I'll support your decisions only if those choices are what I think they should be." Depending on which feminist you happen to be dealing with, your choice may or may not be acceptable according to their beliefs.
RPW often gets attacked and labelled as oppressive, which I don't think is true at all. One of the biggest defenses (lies) of feminism is that "it can be whatever people want it to be" and "well, there are different kinds of feminism, what it means to me won't match up with what it means to other people" - whereas RPW has some very clear guidelines and distinctions. This makes RPW more unified and focused. We have goals and we can clearly tell women where they are falling short or making mistakes. We don't blame the world and demand that everything around us changes to fit our needs. Instead we push ourselves to make a difference and become better women.
[–]wendy-fly1 Star4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I've been so fortunate in my life to be surrounded my strong capable women (mother, grandmother, female friends) who are accepting of all choices- career, stay-at-home-mom, have kids, don't have kids, etc. Until I started looking at online feminism I really felt like that is what feminism is- choices for women. Online feminism is very different from what I encounter in my real life and I'm so grateful.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You don't have to be a feminist to think women should have choices. That's another "lie" in my opinion. "Oh, you think everyone's a human and should be treated decently? You're a feminist" They will try to force labels on people, regardless of how the person feels. So many women think that if they believe certain things then they are automatically a feminist and it just isn't true.
[–]wendy-fly1 Star2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So what, in your opinion, makes someone a real feminist?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't know, don't care. I just think too many people are pushed under the 'feminism' umbrella when it's not necessary.
" We don't blame the world and demand that everything around us changes to fit our needs. Instead we push ourselves to make a difference and become better women."
So perfectly explained.
Even if we aren't pushing our beliefs on to others, even if we're just explaining our side as to why we do something, they feel attacked. They have a huge victim complex, they're isolated both from men and women, and they're projecting their anger on to the world. We can only hope they settle down.
[–]LouieTheWrench8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So an incredibly accomplished woman with money, influence, intelligence and accolades views motherhood and supporting her husband as her greatest accomplishment and feminists call it the low point?
Perceptive bunch, aren't they...
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[–]margerym2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn't be surprised if this article was true
Why wouldn't it be? It has links to examples and everything...
[–]red-wings3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being a "traditional" wife has enabled my husband to have an extremely successful career. We live abroad and travel extensively.
It's the only thing I really wanted to do all my life, was see the world. I could not have done it on my own - my career prospects wouldn't have supported this life.
Now my major goals are making it a game, to see how frugally I can run our household, so that we can continue to travel in our time off. We have more, and do more, than we could do if I was working outside the home.
tl;dr: taking care of my husband has made my own dreams come true.
[–]margerym2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Great article and even a great comment section.
It was, I think, the only off-key moment in the whole transcendent address… …Here we have a Princeton- and Harvard-educated woman, one who out-earned her husband for much of their marriage, and could bring down the house at the Democratic Convention with one of the best political speeches in memory, telling her life story without a mention of her own legal career. A woman whose political instincts — ones that have been shown to be formidable — clearly tell her that her bona fides, her palatability, is still tied to being seen as mom and wife.
Why is this such a horrible thing, feminists? WHY?! It makes absolutely no sense.
[–]wendy-fly1 Star2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It makes sense because it's all about fear. The fear is that people will point to Michelle Obama and say 'see, evidence that educating a woman is useless, all of that education has gone to waste because what she values most is being a mother and wife', and many women want to be educated and have careers. Some feminists see traditional women as threats to their non-traditionalism, fear that somehow another women's choices will reflect upon them and reduce their own choices. If I've learned anything in my life, it is that fear is not a good place to act from. It rarely leads to happiness.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I loved this article. RoK is definitely good at setting the record straight and calling out the craziness.
I've had friends judge me for transitioning to a point where I would be happy being a stay-at-home mom or housewife. It disturbs me that I have to be a strong career woman just to be considered "normal" by their standards.
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