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How Stripping Sparked my Conversion From BluePill to Redpill

perryplats
April 20, 2020
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Yes. I can imagine sex work is controversial in this sub, but I thought I'd share how such a contrary industry slowly turned me from BluePill to RedPill.

At 19 I was on my own, working three jobs, barely affording rent let alone upcoming tuition payments. I took a leap of faith and started stripping. Financially it was very liberating. However, during my year long stint in stripping, I ran through difficult thoughts and emotions.

- I struggled with how my physical beauty and youth was HEAVILY tied to my worth in the eyes of men at the club. If I were to get seriously injured or age out in the industry, my conventional beauty would dissipate, and so would my income.

- I struggled in knowing that wealth and power is truly what makes a man attractive for attention in the club. Its not at all about his age and physical appearance, but the money a man can offer.

Definitely the worth of a man and a woman was heavily dramatized in the club, however there is an undisputable applicability to this in the real world.

Not going to lie, these two particular thoughts both angered and confused me. My naivety that looks, youth, sex appeal didn't matter in attracting a partner was completely upheaveled. Looking back I was coming to terms with The Wall, and the gender roles in gatekeeping.

These realizations had shattered my BluePill perception of equality between women and men. I had realized we are equals, but in completely different senses. Men's prioritization of sex is so different than women's prioritization of relationship stability. In recognizing these different equalities, I opened myself up to RedPill ideologies without knowing it.

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Title How Stripping Sparked my Conversion From BluePill to Redpill
Author perryplats
Upvotes 168
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Date April 20, 2020 3:52 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]sabsz1654 points55 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey! I just wanted to give you a warm welcome to this sub! Thank you for being so willing to be open and vulnerable here. It was definitely a different perspective that I hadn’t thought about and I really appreciate and respect that. I hope you know that we all have pasts and that you will not be judged here, by me at the very least, for yours. This is your journey of becoming more self-aware and that’s a wonderful thing! If you ever want to talk, feel free to reach out :)

[–]perryplats[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Omg! Thank you so much, I feel like I’m being burned at the cross lol.

It took a few weeks for me muster the courage to make this post. It is a very personal experience and I’m glad you found some value! Take care ♥️

[–]sabsz169 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, we’re all human! 🤷🏻‍♀️ But I’m glad you found the courage to share something so personal. You seem lovely ❤️

[–]anonkcthtk51 points52 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That makes complete sense. It’s a weird and sometimes unsettling thing to come to terms with.

[–]perryplats[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally

[–]Shiningsilvergold8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Hello! Thanks for sharing your experience. I feel like these comments are starting to veer off what your comment was about, which was the nature of men and women (not whether or not stripping affected future relationships). I think as another commenter said about your experience, it also shows the power of what the woman has.

For me really recognizing men and women's behavior was actually watching reality tv shows :D Love Island in particular - every time a new girl walks in the men become very excited. This excitement normally dies down in a couple of days, but I realize that it's very natural for men, including taken men, to like seeing and talking to beautiful girls. It's also really interesting to see how quickly someone goes from being 'super hot' to someone whose 'really nice' once they start living together - it just shows me how quickly we become used to each other once reality sets in. (which has helped me realize a bit how affairs work, beginning with so much excitement and then reality setting in).

Also - men aren't very picky. They like it when a girl is healthy and is 'fun', meaning will laugh at their jokes and easy to please.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It tells you a lot about why many affairs (or branch swings as they are called elsewhere in the sub network) fail.

The idea of the new partner is usually more attractive and sparks more new relationship energy than the actual reality of the new partner.

It also helps to bear in mind that the illicit nature of the affair is a huge lure for many adulterers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

For me really recognizing men and women's behavior was actually watching reality tv shows :D Love Island in particular - every time a new girl walks in the men become very excited.

I recently started watching the Bachelor (and Bachelor in Paradise) and it REALLY destroyed my belief that men look for a soulmate who has a good personality and shared values. The things I thought mattered are almost meaningless. Men want the prettiest, youngest girl with the best body that they can get. And if she's sweet and agreeable and makes them "feel like a man," it's a wrap. I'm 30 years old and I'm only now understanding why my love life has been nonexistent up to this point.

[–]Shiningsilvergold4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Haha well they do care about personality, but I've found that mainly means are you open to trying things, are you not too fussy, are you not controlling, is it easy to make you laugh, are you up for being spontaneous, do you get along with other people, are you not a doormat.

In this past season of Love Island, there was this woman named Rebecca that all the men found gorgeous (and, she is). There was a scene though where she was really unhappy with receiving avocado toast for breakfast, because the guy 'should've known' she hates avocados, and after that the guys' opinions shifted somewhat because she was seen as difficult to please.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

but I've found that mainly means are you open to trying things, are you not too fussy, are you not controlling, is it easy to make you laugh, are you up for being spontaneous, do you get along with other people, are you not a doormat

Exactly! That's why I said sweet and agreeable. At least in my experience, I was taught that having "a good personality" meant being well-read and well-traveled, having a good sense of humor, being informed about current events, etc. etc. When all that really matters to most men is being fun and easy to please. Whoops lol

[–]Shiningsilvergold1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, got it.

Agreed - I thought being desirable meant being very smart, because there are a lot of negative stereotypes about being shallow and dumb. I never was super smart, but I definitely thought the way to a good man's heart was talking about Socrates and Plato and discussing military tactics. That definitely worked in getting a man's friendship, but not in a crush sort of way. I also took to heart that a lot of men said they wouldn't mind or would like a woman approaching them and making the first move. I made the first move, a lot. I was super aggressive about it lol. It didn't work out so great.

I thought that 'flirting', meaning touching one's hair and doing the whole 'gaze and look away' and laughing a lot, was very beneath me. It's definitely been a learning curve to try to be okay with being just... relaxed and laughing and taking care of myself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought that 'flirting', meaning touching one's hair and doing the whole 'gaze and look away' and laughing a lot, was very beneath me.

Wow -- are you me? I had a single mother who taught me that the worst thing in the world I could be was a "floozy" who was "boy crazy" instead of focused on my studies. So I didn't flirt or stay in shape or learn how to do anything but the shortest hair and most minimal makeup. It's still hard now to put on heels or red lipstick without feeling that same shame I grew up with, but I'm working on it!

[–]Shiningsilvergold2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh wow. my mom taught me the same thing. i don’t blame her, she was trying to do the right thing, but even today she is really negative towards “floozy” women and men who are attracted by that. she disapproved of dating since it would “inevitably lead to heartbreak”, and she actually forbid makeup, big earrings, high heels, and nail polish. I am trying to learn makeup now and take care of my skin, but i still don’t wear high heels. (now 26)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As ever, the entire discussion is summarised in that one scene in American Psycho:

Craig McDermott:
If they have a great personality and they're not great looking... then who f***ing cares?

Patrick Bateman:
Well, let's just say hypothetically ok? What if they have a great personality?

Patrick Bateman:
I know, I know.

Patrick Bateman:

David Van Patten:
There are no girls with good personalities.

David Van Patten:
A good personality consists of a chick with a little hard body, who will satisfy all sexual demands without being too slutty about things, and who essentially will keep her dumb f***ing mouth shut.

Craig McDermott:
The only girls with good personalities who are smart or maybe funny or halfway intelligent or talented, though god knows what the f*** that means, are ugly chicks.

David Van Patten:
Absolutely.

Craig McDermott:
And this is because they have to make up for how f***ing unattractive they are.

[–]Redstonefreedom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That scene ends perfectly with the serial killer (not the main character) quote... I can’t tell if the guys realize they’re likewise dehumanizing women in the same way as the quote that Patrick Bateman brings up, or they fail to catch the irony, but the uneasy look shared is so well framed.

[–]Justskimthetopoff48 points49 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Dude same. I was a stripper and i actually became more upset with how the world treated MEN. They came to a club and spent money just to be talked to and noticed by women. the absolute rejection for their primal needs by society was blatantly obvious.

Furthermore, I realized how much power women have when we are WOMEN. When I embrace my beauty and softness and sensual side, I am more authentic and embraced more fully by men (and a lot of women).

[–]belumainma11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Extreme power, that’s what I’m trying to convince a friend who denies her rather successful husband very frequently. She doesn’t know how to wield her power. It’s a slippery slope.

[–]Justskimthetopoff15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's such a slippery slope but when I realized my 'open mindedness' that I valued so highly was not inclusive of the issues faced by men (50% of the population!), I was taken aback and re-evaluated the way that I approach men.

I have since tried to strike a balance between embracing my femininity and not fighting the gender differences between men/women (Red pill) and setting high standards for both myself and the men I encounter, not allowing myself to lose who I am for a man and maintaining my independence / not sacrificing what is important to me (female dating advice).

Frankly I find both methods (red pill and female dating advice) on reddit to be kindof extreme in some ways so navigating my own way to approach men and be myself has been really helpful. And to think this all came from stripping!

[–]Cobra_x3011 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

a friend who denies her rather successful husband very frequently.

As a successful guy, I've been through this myself and frankly, I just found someone else. The best fucking she ever got was our divorce papers.

[–]genghiskhan14312 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The equivalent would be for you to shut off her credit card and kick her out of the house temporarily(ie remove your provisioning).

Can you imagine the uproar if guys started doing that and standing up for themselves!

[–]Vanotomy6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Same here!

[–]AnmolSethi1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Happy cake day 🎂 😇

Virtual party Ahoy 🎉 🎊 😂

[–]Vanotomy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you hahah! Quite an amusing day to have it on, I must say

[–]WhisperTRP Founder42 points43 points  (49 children) | Copy Link

I can imagine sex work is controversial in this sub

No, it's not. RPW is tactical in nature, not moral. We take no position here on whether stripping is "bad". We just tell you that it is usually bad for your long-term happiness.

Moreover, this is not a Tradcon sub. We aren't going to tell you "depart, harlot!", or whatever. Yeah, you fucked up, but the point of this sub is advice, and the advice is for improving your current situation over what it otherwise would be, not for fruitless speculation about what you could have done.

You will never repair all the damage you did to your ability to have fulfilling relationships. But you still have to play the cards you have in your hand.

[–]UnhappyGeneral34 points35 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

> RPW is tactical in nature, not moral.

> We take no position here on whether stripping is "bad".

> We just tell you that it is usually bad for your long-term happiness.

I find this the biggest contradiction in TRP (or RPW) ideology. You're still trying to reinvent morals, just making it sound a bit more scientific.

When you say "if you want to find a good boyfriend, don't work in a strip club", it's tactical advice. No moral values are imposed on a listener.

When you bringing long-term happiness and even more, some damage that can't be undone, it's "forbidden fruit" that you're talking about. It's fine to have a conversation about morals, but no need to pretend that it's just a toolbox.

[–]JimiJons8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

When you say "if you want to find a good boyfriend, don't work in a strip club", it's tactical advice

When you bringing long-term happiness and even more, some damage that can't be undone, it's "forbidden fruit"

How? In the first example you're offering an outcome, and in the second, you're offering why. Further comments then elaborate on the types of damage and the specific factors limiting future relationship potential. This is all tactical and non-moralistic.

If I said something preachy like, "you're taking advantage of their lust while they take advantage of your greed," that would be moralistic. Telling her that stripping is bad for her own future relationship prospects, and therefore probably her long-term happiness, is not.

[–]UnhappyGeneral-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes an argument moralistic is not a preachy language of my grandma, but whether you can verify it or not.

If I’m telling you to do (or not do) something or some irreversible damage will occur otherwise, I’m not offering you a toolbox. I’m offering you my system of values, my moral stand. The same with long-term happiness: you can’t really check in a reasonable amount of time if my tool works for you. At any moment I can tell you that you have to wait a bit more.

I’m absolutely fine to talk about values, by the way. Red Pill to me is an attempt to define a system of values in this rapidly changing world, with respect to what we know about biology, psychology and how evolution shaped both. I just don’t understand the insistence of framing it as a toolbox.

[–]JimiJons3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What makes an argument moralistic is not a preachy language

Being moralistic is quite literally using preachy language.

but whether you can verify it or not

No, that's objectivity. Moralizing is making a subjective judgment on other people's values, which we are not doing here.

If I’m telling you to do (or not do) something or some irreversible damage will occur otherwise, I’m not offering you a toolbox. I’m offering you my system of values

So if I tell you not to drink bleach or you'll die, i'm offering you my "system of values?"

If the data showed that working in the sex industry increased your likelihood of engaging in happy long-term monogamous relationships, we wouldn't be having this conversation. None of this is about morals or subjective value judgments.

[–]WhisperTRP Founder6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you say "if you want to find a good boyfriend, don't work in a strip club", it's tactical advice. No moral values are imposed on a listener.

When you bringing long-term happiness and even more, some damage that can't be undone, it's "forbidden fruit" that you're talking about. It's fine to have a conversation about morals, but no need to pretend that it's just a toolbox.

This is what we call "response to tone". I can't control how what I say makes you feel, so if you respond to that, you are essentially having a conversation with yourself.

However:

I find this the biggest contradiction in TRP (or RPW) ideology. You're still trying to reinvent morals, just making it sound a bit more scientific.

People invented moral systems for a variety of purposes, but that doesn't mean they are the best tool for our purposes.

Morals work by what's called a "categorical imperative", a thing you "must" do no matter what.

Tactical advice works by a "hypothetical imperative", a thing you "must" do because, but only because, you have a certain goal.

Trafficking in categorical imperatives is against the rules here, because no one can show them to exist, no one can agree on what they are, and no one who trafficks in them feels any duty to justify them by connecting them to good outcomes.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're still trying to reinvent morals, just making it sound a bit more scientific.

Mechanics don't consider the morals of the criminals car in his shop, he's just fixing engines for a fair price. Stop calling mechanics an ideology.

[–]jordynsucks17 points18 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

How did she do damage to her ability to have a fulfilling relationship?

[–]WhisperTRP Founder17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a couple of ways by which this works.

#1. Men don't like it.

It's not even necessary to understand why men don't like it (although I could talk about that), it's enough that they do.

This leaves her with the choice of either telling her hypothetical future partner something about her which he's not going to like, and will diminish his investment in the relationship, or to lie to him about it (even if only by omission), which represents lack of investment in the relationship on her part.

Edit: Someone sent me a heads-up, and it seems /u/perryplats is lying by omission already. She is not a former sex worker, she is an active sex worker.

#2 It affects her attitude about men, relationships, and sex, in a negative way.

Using sex in a transactional manner is a very damaging antipattern in relationships (the video should give you some insight into why), and this is precisely what she has spent a long time doing.

#3 It shames her future partner in front of other men.

'Nuff said. I think everyone understands this one.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stripping encourages a mindset of the following:

  • men are objects to perform for in exchange for money (transactional relating to men)

  • sex is work (most strippers don't take joy from it. Those that do, see next point)

  • men's attention fulfills my self worth (makes women even MORE vain and externally-driven for self-worth, instead of internally-derived-at)

  • exposes the stripper to, and normalizes, behaviors that are unacceptable and/or criminal. Clubs often have drug/prostitution problems, and even if you don't partake, you're in that world now. Some clubs are clean, but...

All of the above is not healthy to finding a GOOD man, as it sets the stage for her looking for a very different type of man than good LTR material. It also changes her worldview and motivations in unhealthy ways. She can consciously work against that, but it's an ongoing effort.

And yes, I know this from experience because I've had several women close to me in sex work. I've seen it.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said brother.

[–]Luis_McLovin21 points22 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Stripping is a red flag

[–]SeriousAngle93 points4 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Of future infidelity?

[–]The_Adm0n26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Possibly. A history of using sex/sexuality in a transactional manner can cause one to take the ideals of fidelity much less seriously. Any guy who's pursuing a monogamous relationship would have reservations about dating a stripper, prostitute, Instagram model, or sex phone hotline worker.

This particular red flag could also indicate self esteem issues, emotional instability, a poor family situation, alcoholism or drug abuse, an increased risk (perceived or real) of STDs, or excessive baggage from past relationships.

I'm not suggesting that the OP has all of these issues, or that she has any of them. It's just what this particular red flag tells us.

Also, I'm not suggesting that the OP is an idiot or a bad person. People make the decisions they make for the reasons they make them. Often, it's only hindsight that shows us what is wise and what is unwise.

Also also, the OP absolutely can have a fulfilling love life after stripping. It's just going to take a bit of time and some good life choices to put that chapter behind her. There are plenty of compassionate and understanding men out there, so don't feel discouraged.

[–]perryplats[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay even though I don’t completely agree with you. Thanks for not being an ass and for logically articulating yourself.

I do agree sex work should be looked at because it is a volatile industry

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is hard to hear, but these points above were solid and are completely true. We’re just sharing a man’s perspective.

I believe in you and you will have good relationships in the future. You just have to believe it yourself, and work on it :)

[–]The_Adm0n1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And thank you for taking the time to respond, and not simply downvoting something you don't agree with. A sign, to me at least, that discourse isn't completely dead.

Out of curiosity, and if you don't mind the question, what was it I said that you don't agree with?

[–]perryplats[S] -4 points-3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They’re just making shit up because they don’t know anything about anything, particularly about adult entertainment

[–]the_acro_nerd28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Speaking as a retired stripper, an atheist, and not really a RPW (i stalk this sub out of curiosity mostly) I have been happily and faithfully married for about 8 years now. Let me say this:

It is absolutely a red flag, and not just for romantic relationships. People like you and I who came out of that industry ok, possibly bettered by it, are the minority. I saw so many girls my age (18 at the time) fall into a pit of drug abuse, alcoholism, theft, unprotected casual sex... I saw them taken advantage of, sexually assaulted, raped... some of them I talked into dancing with me because I thought they would be okay too... i carry that guilt ten years later.

Yes it's social entertainment, but if you don't know who you are and what you want, it's a gateway to lose yourself completely. I don't fully trust strippers even as friends because I've seen what it does to people. When women are likely desperate, and in direct competition with each other for the prey, it's hard to be warm, generous, empathetic, and honorable (especially towards each other). Don't get too butthurt when you're judged for that decision and don't bother defending it. The stereotype isn't totally made up, and I KNOW you saw it too if you danced for more than a few weeks.

My advice is not to whip out that particular funfact until your reputation is already well established with whoever you're talking to. Potential boyfriend, coworker, whatever.

[–]perryplats[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay I agree. It’d be ignorant to ignore what happens to dancers. It is a very taxing job

[–]JimiJons10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're getting upset because you're taking it personally. A red flag is a possible warning sign, not a guaranteed marker. Being a stripper is absolutely a red flag because of the moral and social barriers to initial entry, but every story is different.

[–]perryplats[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, I can agree with that. I am personalizing it

[–]WhisperTRP Founder15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And that, in itself, is one of the things what makes it bad for you.

You're defensive because you're ashamed, so much so that you're reacting defensively even to those who have no intent to condemn you.

Now consider a hypothetical future where a hypothetical boyfriend finds out about this and reacts. Would you act this way with him? And how might he feel about this?

You if expect strangers to walk on eggshells because you feel bad, what's that going to do to your ability to have a relationship?

Edit: In fact, you haven't told us the whole story. You're not just a former sex worker, you're a current sex worker. The very fact that you hid that shows you're ashamed. That's why you see condemnation where none exists.

[–]belumainma-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s the majority of people. Learn to change their minds.

[–]perryplats[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not my place to change people’s minds

[–]belumainma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not your job, not at all. Maybe just in your best interest. The world generally condemns working women . Isn’t it time to take ownership of the conversation?

[–]clitorophagy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many men will find it off putting

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]CrazyHorseInvincibleModerator[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rule #3

[–]SeriousAngle94 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious as jordynsucks is. The damage to fulfilling relationships...are you referring to the tendency of women to cheat once they've treated sex as object in the past? Or the fact that men just prefer low N counts and the husband won't see the woman as valuable or special if she's given it to so many other men?

[–]WhisperTRP Founder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are several factors.

https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/g4lp7k/how_stripping_sparked_my_conversion_from_bluepill/fo018li/

[–]perryplats[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck are you bring up body count? There is no sex involved with stripping. It’s literally a social entertainment job

[–]belumainma9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it’s a stereotype, that’s why they brought it up. The stereotype of a dancer is that they have no qualms about sharing their sexuality for money, including back room deals done under the table. It seems like this stereotype is a foreign idea to you. You did work in the industry, so enlighten them. Changing stereotypes begins with a level-headed discussion.

[–]clitorophagy5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course men will see it as related to body count. Showing off your body to strangers for their entertainment, to plenty of men, is within the spectrum of body count

[–]victorinevien1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

love the screen name. had to say it.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because to be a sex worker requires a comfort level with sex, nudity, and exhibitionism that correlates to having sex.

While being comfortable with sex, nudity, and exhibitionism don't always equal a high n-count, I GUARANTEE you that NOT having any of those will correlate to a low one.

[–]unn4med2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Whisper, with that attitude, she will definitely not repair the damage that was done to her ability to have fulfilling relationships.

However, I agree with the essence of your point – she won't undo 100% of the damage done to her future relationships, and with that I agree 100%.

OP, thank you for posting, stay safe!

[–]belumainma-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s not how we win friends or influence people, is it? Ha! Change their minds with a cool discussion. Learn to do it now, so that when the time comes irl you can keep it cool and classy. I’m rooting for you.

[–]unn4med0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you meant to reply to Whisper

[–]belumainma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep

[–]WhisperTRP Founder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not here to win friends, nor am I here to proselytize.

RPW is a resource for those who are ready to hear it, not a religious mission that tries to reach and persuade anyone and everyone.

If someone is put on the defensive, and becomes unable to listen, not because what they heard was hostile, but simply because it wasn't sugar-coated enough, there could be no good outcome for the conversation anyway.

I'm not here to beg people not to shoot the messenger. Nor do I expect of the ECs to go to that kind of length. I would rather have them focus their limited time and energy on those who are able to hear.

In this case, someone messaged me with the highly relevant information that this particular person is not merely a former stripper, but an active prostitute. Obviously not really ready to make a change yet.

You can't help someone without their permission.

[–]belumainma0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My “yep” was a lazy reply. The comment I posted was meant for OP. It was in regard to their defensiveness and inability to calmly state their position. I was rooting for them.

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[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being rude and defensive isn't the direction you want to go.

[–]perryplats[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😁

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Very cool to hear about your revelations. I've known other strippers, and one thing you see very quickly is that they lose a lot of illusions about the world. Sure, they can also become jaded and predatory, but if they avoid that, they often have a much more realistic take on male-female relations... because that directly impacts their income.

Not everybody here denigrates sex work. Now, that said there are a LOT of reasons why for most women it's very unhealthy to pursue it (for reasons similar but not identical to why riding the CC is bad) but it's not verboten. Very little is, aside from embracing and promulgating blue-pill lies about reality.

[–]belumainma1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure- not like you have skin in the game, right?

[–]kaylin_xx30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume you have stopped stripping? I guess it doesn't say directly.

I'd be interested in hearing more in the future on how the red pill affects you and your relationships.

[–]Nacruno960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the most important thing is there are two kind of men. Ego driven and sex driven. Sex driven men want sex because they love it ego driven men want sex because they get selfworth out of it.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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