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It's official!

December 9, 2018

After 8 years of togetherness, adoption and foster care, it is finally official. I'm pregnant with his child!

My Captain had a vasectomy before meeting me but had frozen his sperm. He was against having biological children for a number of reasons but the doctor convinced him to freeze his sperm. I'm thinking about baking that doctor a cake.

I thought I could be happy with this. He made this clear as well as a number of other things about himself before he let me move into his house. Despite agreeing to the idea that I'd never have my own child I've never stopped thinking about it. If it never happened I think I could still be happy, but it was always on my mind.

I didn't nag him, or pressure him. I simply continued to be myself. A mother to our adopted son and various foster kids, an attentive woman to his needs, the "love of his life."

After a few weeks of agreements, conversation, planning, meetings with our lawyers and accountants, doctor's visits, he decided that he was ready. He found a satisfaction way to manage the fears he had about having a child of his own. I was willing to do anything, and so we did.

Apparently I'm quite fertile~ The IVF was successful. I'm pregnant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you for everything. The people here have been a wonderful community. I'll probably be posting far less often as I focus on this baby. As we focus on this together. It's been quite an exciting journey. Our relationships isn't exactly conventional but despite that I received so much support.

If you have any experiences you want to share about your pregnancy(s), or books you'd recommend please do.

Bless you all!

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Title It's official!
Author LittleMissAfrodite
Upvotes 108
Comments 75
Date December 9, 2018 2:31 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/RedPillWomen/its-official.67943
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[–]ZegiknieEndorsed Contributor19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

:') congratulations! So lovely <3

If the nausea gets too much to hold down water, try isotonic sports drinks. I liked "Hold on to your kids" a lot, as a parenting book. Not sure what kinds of topics you want to read up on and what your style is?

Good luck!!!

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've been raising children for a while so I think I'm pretty set with that. I've even taken care of infants as a foster mother. I'm more interested in the topics of having a successful pregnancy. Reducing stress as to make my body full prepared for this baby. We only have so many attempts and I want to make sure I'm doing everything right within my control.

[–]ZegiknieEndorsed Contributor3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah, in that case: you can go totally paranoid avoiding pretty much everything :-) not just alcohol, but certain types of fish, smoked or raw animal products, some herbs, on and on it goes. Even salicyc acid (spelling?) has some correlation with birth defects. And fues from nailpolish and hair dye and even perfumes can be bad. Wash your hands after gardening and don't change kitty litter. No hot baths or sauna the first trimester and no holidays too high in the mountains either (elevation, oxygen thing - people in airflight have more miscarriages too). You probably know it all already :-)

Those birth prep courses according to research don't cause better birth outcomes, but do make moms feel more confident.

I had sore biceps after both deliveries (most pregnancy workouts are devoid of any muscle training) and a sore back when babies were there and needed lugging around. So strengthen those muscle groups safely (and kegels!).

Don't know any books for pregnancy, this was all I had off the top of my head. Hope there's a useful bit in for you!

[–]WonderfulandValuable2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being cautious is good, going overboard is too much stress;)

I tried to eat clean, healthy and local. I did Yoga for Pregnant Women and I was glad to strengthen my Core and the pelvis.

No! is a complete Sentence. Good advice can be accepted with a gentle: We will carefully consider it!"

[–]ZegiknieEndorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I went overboard with my first, relaxed with my second. First kids was a screamer and still is rather nervous, second is super easy and relaxed. I don't know if that is coincidence or not!

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm going to be taking some classes. I want to be as confident and positive as possible. I've already started looking up pregnancy work outs and diet. So I'm implementing that. The diet and exercise part should be easy. I already make all the food plus it won't be hard to modify my current work out routine once I start showing. Probably hardest part about diet is teaching my man how to make the foods that I'll need. He hasn't cooked for himself in years.

[–]GoneMYway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, your best bet, is go and see your Dr, talk to them about what you can and can't do. There's a lot of myths and a lot of wives tales that go around about pregnancy.

Your best bet is going to be to talk to your Dr and ask them, they are going to be the best source for any information.

[–]MellifluousMaple7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you married?

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We are not.

[–]MellifluousMaple14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

well good luck

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[–]WonderfulandValuable5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have some advice stemming from my own experiences and some from my awesome midwife

- Look for a midwife early on

- Buy a good baby pillow (Second the notion that you should do it soon!)

- Ginger Tea helps with nausea. Be upfront with your midwife/Gyn they might also know a few tricks

- Let the nursery become your DH´s project. My Husband bought a lot of the "baby furniture" second hand or repurposed second hand pieces to fit our needs. It was his way to connect to the baby in advance.

- Do not buy much stuff. A baby needs food, a calm, safe surrounding, diaper and of course papa and mama!

- birth classes - good ones are a good way to become confident in the body to do its thing.


[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That midwife is something I'll propose we look into. I'll be starting classes soon. You're the second person that recommended a baby pillow so that's a must.

[–]WonderfulandValuable1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A good midwife is a very valuable Gift I was glad to receive. Without her I would have had a much much harder time.

[–]thatbadlarry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The “My Brest Friend” is the best nursing pillow! I used to be a doula and recommended it to all my clients.

[–]MajIssuesCaptObvious3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What were the meeting with lawyers and accountants about? What were his fears?

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mentioned to someone else that we aren't married. Having a child unmarried is a complicated matter in our current legal climate. Ensuring his parental rights was very important. Especially since he is the bred winner.

[–]MajIssuesCaptObvious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see. Well, congratulations to the both of you. I wish you the best of luck.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks Dear. The future is looking very bright.

[–]Vellore9921 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link


Can I ask what legal arrangement you and your husband came to? I remember you proposing something like having his child, giving it up for adoption, and then having him adopt it so that you wouldn't be it's legal mother.

Will you have any legal rights to this child?

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

This is a rather interesting arrangement so I'll try to be as detailed as possible.

I can't give up legal rights to my child that I birth. I'd still be responsible for it no matter what. I can't even give it up for adoption without the father's permission so legally it was a non-starter.

What we decided to do was to tackle the inequality and bias of the family courts in a more direct way. One way men keep custody of their children in custody battles is simply having enough money to take the woman to court if it is a contested custody battle. The woman doesn't need money. She pretty much gets custody by default except in very exceptional cases where she is declared unfit to be a mother. Which is EXTREMELY rare. It is the man who needs to have a lawyer and who needs to fight.

So given this reality what we did was that I agreed to heavily reduce my monthly allowance that he gives me.

How we previously had it set up was that instead of him spending money on me directly, he provides me an allowance which is my spending, savings and investment money. He even pays for my accountant and financial advisor. It's all my money. The money gets funneled every month into an investment, CD, and checking account under only my control.

But now a chunk of that money that he gives me is instead going into a special fund that only he controls. In the event that he does need to fight me for custody (or any other legal defense against me) that money will go towards his court costs and lawyer fees. If the child reaches the age of 18 and I never take him to court, I'll receive that money back, with interest.

Our prior arrangement made it so that after 10 years of being with him I would have enough funds to retire and maintain my current standard of living for at least 30 years. So once I got to 30 (I entered into this agreement with him when I was 20), I'd have a huge chunk of money even if I left. After that he planned to severally reduce how much he gave me because by then I wouldn't need it. This put control of my retirement in our hands instead of the hands of the state.

Now with this new plan that "retirement year" is the 15th year instead of the 10th year. So if I turn 35 and I'm still with him I still have the same amount of money I would have had at 30. Then when the child reaches 18, assuming I don't take him to court, I ALSO get back all that money that was put into his "defense fund."

Basically, we are combating the inequalities of the family court with "my money." In the end it's all about money.

I don't really know if this would be feezible if he only made, like...50k a year. He makes 6 figures. But that's the arrangement we figured out that works. So we did it.

[–]Vellore9924 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Wow that's very involved!

What would happen if he left you?

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'd keep all the money has has given me so far and we'd live separately with joint custody. I'd then find another man to support me. Nice thing about our current arrangement is that I'll have money without having to be married to him.

The advantage of this is because of the nature of spousal support. In most every case that I know of, spousal support stops if you get divorced and remarried. We will never get married so my spousal support comes in the form of the monthly payments he is already giving me. Because of the skills he taught me I'll have a very easy time finding another man to support me long before my money runs out. That's of course assuming I survive the break up. If he left me, money would be the furthest thing from my mind. Honestly I'd probably be a bit suicidal.

I'd take the break up money and go live with my grandparents for a while while I tried to recover emotionally. The biggest thing would be to make sure I'm still an active mother to our child. I'd be fine financially but emotionally I'd be utterly and completely devastated. I can't imagine my world without him. I don't even like to think about it even though I've been forced to during the process of finding a solution to being committed without the state getting involved.

[–]fosho_away11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sounds a bit like a shaky set up but wishing you all the best.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

In what way is marriage more secure? If there is something we haven't thought of I'd be glad to hear it.

[–]BewareTheOldMan11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

"I'll have a very easy time finding another man to support me..."

This is a bit optimistic - maybe...and the fact you might lose custody of your kid. However, it sounds as if you guys have a better arrangement than any court could develop that ensures safeguards for both parties.

Good luck to you both.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] -4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is a bit optimistic

You are so silly. I know how to please a man and make myself valuable to a man's life. It's not optimism. It's simply realistic. Not to toot my own horn. It's just reality. Every redpillwoman would be able to pull a good man because she specializes in giving men what they want. It's not even a question.

the fact you might lose custody of your kid

There is absolutely no chance I would lose custody of my child. Just to clarify, I'd always have at least joint custody of our child. HE would have to fight for custody. What that means is that he'd have to fight to receive JOINT custody IF I were to contest his custody. Of course I'd never contest his parental rights but women have thought that before and then done so anyway. This way he is, as much as possible, protected from my will by my own money. Unless he does something that is criminal than he should have joint custody and I shouldn't have the right to remove it. The money I give up is there to ensure his right. As the woman, because of the HUGE, disgusting bias of the family court I'd receive primary custody by default.

[–]muabirdie5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well ... You have another man's child for one. That's a biggie for most guys.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. I would be a single mother and that would decrease my smv and rmv. However it wouldn't stop me. I'd just have to apply a filter to my search and make sure I'm putting my value forward. I've seen single mothers land some pretty high quality guys. Its just not likely or common. Good men would still be out there for me. Still, you are right. Yet another reason to treat my man good right now. As a single mother i wouldn't have realistic access to a man of my captains qaulity

[–]BewareTheOldMan2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sure you both will do fine as long as each person in the relationship does their part. It's great you guys worked everything out to include details and possible contingencies.

It's nice you're both happy and moving forward as parents, the key being that ALL your children are reared in a loving, stable, and two-parent household. In fact - you and your SO might have useful advice for others interested in a similar arrangement. One of the reasons U.S. marriage and child births is declining is due to bias and inherent unfairness to men within the court system. Your non-standard arrangement attests to that fact.

I expect that since you both thought of virtually every scenario for this situation, you'd have other contingency scenarios covered as well.

"I know how to please a man and make myself valuable to a man's life. Every redpillwoman would be able to pull a good man because she specializes in giving men what they want. It's not even a question."

Great - then continue to use those skills with your child's father and "finding another man" is an unnecessary requirement. It's nice to have that confidence, but there are women all over the place with that same level of confidence yet have trouble pulling in a Good Man. That's not silliness or pessimism, it's reality for lots of women.

You're fine though - you already have him...all you have to do is keep him.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Great - then continue to use those skills with your child's father and "finding another man" is an unnecessary requirement."

Of course. That's what I've been doing which is why I've not only locked down a former MGTOW, but also, in my own way, convinced him that it was a good idea to have a child with me despite his inititial apprehension. If our relationships were to end it wouldn't be because I'd forget how to take care of my man. It'd be because one of us would be UNWILLING to do the things we KNOW keeps our partner happy. I can't see myself every being that way but plenty of women have thought that and changed their minds. Millions of women a year get divorced. Humans change, our minds change. I want our family to be protected in every case. And that means removing my ability to destroy the family with the help of our biased hypergamous system.

"It's nice to have that confidence, but there are women all over the place with that same level of confidence yet have trouble pulling in a Good Man."

The difference between redpillwomen and those other women is that redpillwomen actually talk about the things that they bring to the table that men value. It's night and day. You can't even really compare us to "them." Redpillwomen are playing a rigged game. We hold all the cards, we know all the secrets, we know all the tricks. It's honestly not even fair. Every redpillwoman who actually follows the principles. Self improvement, femininity, utility, would have NO problem getting a good man. I understand that there is always a risk of being overly confident. But if you can back that confidence up with results, which I have, it's warranted.

Either way it's moot. I'll never leave my man no matter what. He is my everything.

[–]girlwithabikeEndorsed Contributor2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm so happy for you! Congratulations!!

r/BabyBumps can be hit or miss IMO but there is always a (typically private) sub for the women who are all delivering in a given month. I've found it helpful to get a feel for what is normal and what symptoms and such everyone else is going through at the same time. It also has given me a bit of perspective. The women are there to complain and support each other so you hear the worst stuff you can go through. It helped me to remain zen about my mild symptoms. It also gives me a place to vent that isn't to my husband. There is a lot of discussions about things like pooping, which no man really needs to hear about.

I liked the book "Expecting Better" which looks at all the studies out there on the dos and don'ts and then tells you to make your own decisions. She is a bit lenient in her take on drinking which turns a lot of people off. As long as you are someone that can think for herself (and I believe you are) I think it's worth a read.

"The Science of Mom" is another good one but that focuses on birth through year one. If you have made decisions for infants before, you may feel that this one is less relevant.

If the nausea gets too much to hold down water, try isotonic sports drinks.

This was one of the weirder discoveries of the first trimester. Somehow there were days when water was too difficult to drink. Instead of sports drinks, I had some powdered soup packets that I'd make and sip.

Get a pregnancy pillow before you think you need it.

RPW/Femininity Specific - Everyone will have opinions and advice. It seems common place now to complain about everyone having opinions and advice. I think the best way to handle it is with an open mind and a little bit of gratitude and grace. Even if you are faking the gratitude. You never know what you'll pick up from someone and it doesn't cost anything to listen and smile graciously. From what I've seen on the subreddits, women can get really frustrated with all the unsolicited comments and I do understand that. I'm of the opinion that getting frustrated doesn't help you or change anyone's behavior. Going with the "you can only control yourself" I'd rather assume people are well meaning and smile and be on my way than get worked up.

And I really am happy for you. You took the riskier path against all advice and have demonstrated that taking that risk can absolutely get you everything you want. Some may disagree but as far as I'm concerned, it's a success story of RPW principles and a testament to your faith in your man.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much for you support. I try to stay positive when ever I visit internet forums. Plus I always look prettier when I smile and am in a good mood. I've been smiling a lot lately~

I'll definitely be checking out all the things you mentioned. I have a lot of time on my hands and we are thinking about paying someone to help with the chores when things start to get hard for me.

Thanks again!

[–]valleycupcake1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like Expecting Better by Emily Oster. It's basically an analysis of the data of common pregnancy recommendations, looking at which ones are good guidelines and which ones are just scaremongering. It's made my pregnancies much more relaxed and enjoyable. I don't know why so many people like to tell you what you can't do as soon as they find out you're pregnant, but self care is going to be as important as ever, and it's nice to know what you don't need to worry about.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll definintely look at that. I'm considering everyone's advice and then I'll decide what's best for me. I love all the feedback!

[–]numbed-babe1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations! Happiness is seeing fellow RPW living their dreams and slaying the world.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! It's been a dream of mine since as long as I can remember.

[–]RainbowKitty771 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations dear

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aww thankies.

[–]WonderfulandValuable0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I loved the author Jesper Juul. He is very down to earth and gives great advice for balancing being parents and married couple.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Any particular books of his you'd recommend?

[–]WonderfulandValuable0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately his best books were never published in English.

Was Familien trägt. Werte in Erziehung und Partnerschaft. Kösel, München 2006. (Beltz, Weinheim 2008, ISBN 978-3-407-22905-2).

Mann & Vater sein. Kreuz, Freiburg im Breisgau 2011, ISBN 978-3-451-61044-8.

Family Life The most important values for living together and raising children

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If they weren't published in English how can I read them?

[–]WonderfulandValuable0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some are. What other languages do you speak?

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm American and didn't grow up with bilingual parents so I only speak english.

[–]muabirdie0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations! But I think I'm going to stay far away from the MGTOW types 😅

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't blame you. I'd imagine the relationship would be much more complex because they would have a low tolerance for bullshit.

I found the challenge matched my personality. It made me a better spouse and pushed me to be the best I could be. I believe I've been a great mother so far and I'll continue to be.

I think there is the idea that red pill women shouldn't actually seek red pill men. I understand why they'd say that. We definintely have to work harder for a red pill man. It's up to you to decide if a person is worth the effort. My Captain was, is, and forever will be. But that's just me~

[–]muabirdie0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I just prefer men who have the same life goals as me. Doesn't really have anything to do with what you said here...

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh then I don't actually think you'll have a problem dating a redpillmen. Most men, even redpillmen, want a stable monogamous relationship with someone they can trust so they can build a happy family.

Being redpilled is in reaction to the fact that many women simply aren't choosing them to do that. Women are passing men up and only choosing men when they are pass their prime.

Take a redpillman or mgtow man and give him a good woman in a society that doesn't demonic man and he'll be happy to build a family with her.

[–]muabirdie 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes because it was extremely easy for you to start a biological family with him. /s

I don't want a man who thinks that all women are crazy sluts who will leave them divorce raped, thank you...

[–]pearlsandstilettosModerator | Pearl[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You came into this thread with a chip on your shoulder and are continuing to argue for no good reason. Stop it and move on.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't want a man who thinks that all women are crazy sluts who will leave them divorce raped, thank you...

Good because no man actually thinks this. So you should have no problem dating a red pill guy as long as you aren't a crazy slut who shows red flags about her loyalty.

The vast majority of redpilled guys wouldn't go through those length to avoid a family as my man. So you should have no problem. Again, as long as you are a loyal, feminine, useful woman you'll be fine. You should only be worried if you are a disloyal bitchy harpy. If you aren't that then you'll be perfectly happy.

[–]muabirdie0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But the whole thing about MGTOW is that they won't do anything with women, not even have sex, because it's too risky, right? Because we just can't help ourselves when we divorce and take everything? Or we will baby trap them? That's all that I read about from them, which are fair concerns but doesn't really make them marriage material (trust issues galore).

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My man was former mgtow and I got him. They don't say that all women will divorce them. They say that all women "can" and there is no protection against it if the woman tries. Even prenups are thrown out.

If you find a good man and it turns out he is mgtow, just prove yourself to him. It's possible. I did and I'm literally living in my own personal utopia. You could too if you wanted to. If you know a mgtow that you like don't use the excuse that he is mgtow not to go after him. He'll cave to the right woman.

No man who is mgtow wants to be mgtow. It's simply a reaction to reality. Everyone wants to win the lottery. But smart people don't play lottery because they know the risk. Remove the risk and he'd play the lottery. Or make yourself worth the risk.

[–]allmycatsaregay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


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[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What does that mean?

[–]Lizziloo871 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see this all the time too, not sure either. Anyone know?

[–]Willkuer_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

In this context nothing positive. Ignore it.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will. Thankies~

[–]loneliness-incEndorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations! Good work!

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Some advice for ~9 months from now: avoid anything that says "baby shark" like the plague.

[–]RubyWooToo3 Stars2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Baby shark doo doo doo doo doo doo

Yes, this is the Mommy equivalent of a rick roll.

[–]thatbadlarry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can hear it now!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! Lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This made me smile just reading it! I can only imagine how happy you must be. Congratulations!!

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thankies~ I can really describe the feeling. It's everything I want out of life. Literally a dream come true.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Congratulations, LittleMissAfrodite. I hope your pregnancy goes really well and you and your Captain enjoy this new phase of life together! I know you've his adopted child and have fostered before, but this is still a big change! All the best.

[–]LittleMissAfrodite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much. Yes I imagine this will be a different adventure all together.

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