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Ms. Midwest

dottiejeann
July 2, 2020
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I’ve heard you sing her praises to the heavens and finally checked her out. What a gem of a woman! I love how inclusive she is (highlights diversity and doesn’t preach a one size fits all approach)

She has inspired me to take better care of my appearance while in the home. I spend so much time at home and am constantly wearing rags. Of course I change into nicer loungewear when people visit but I why don’t I treat myself with the same respect I treat them?

I’m so excited for this new chapter in my life. I’m 32 and still have a lot of girlish tendencies but am excited to (and corona has helped) use this time to intentionally become a more elegant woman.

I’ve thrown out the worn out clothing items and found really nice lounge pieces that fit my budget and make me feel lovely. Things I wouldn’t be embarrassed to be wearing if a neighbor stopped by. I’m sure this will do wonders for my sense of self and my feminine spirit.

Love to you all!

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Title Ms. Midwest
Author dottiejeann
Upvotes 111
Comments 92
Date July 2, 2020 4:28 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/RedPillWomen/ms-midwest.703390
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/hk06pp/ms_midwest/
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Comments

[–]NicoleInBlue11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I stopped watching her even though I liked her when she first started the channel.

It seems like every new video is a remake of an old one. She preaches the same ideas over and over again, and honestly, it got boring.

I also can't help but feel like most of her advice doesn't come from her own experience, maybe because she shares very little about her personal life. I don't want to know where she lives or her SSN but an anecdote or two wouldn't hurt. It's the showbusiness after all.

She's very pretty though and I like her sense of style.

[–]Aauo26882 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you ever watch her vlogs? She shares a lot more about herself in those.

[–]lolahaze1176 points77 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I liked her at first but her personality seems a bit forced. She almost seems like a caricature.. so I don’t watch her anymore.

[–]soundsfromoutside35 points36 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

She’s suuuuper preachy.

She actually had a Reddit account (which is now deleted) and was subbed on here. She made a post asking about what type of content she should make for a YouTube channel and asked if religion was something people would be interested in. Many comments said to not go to overboard with religion and just focus on beauty and housework but she’s been so-so on that.

[–]85thredditaccount4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I remember that actually. I’ve had a ton of accounts on here and been around for a while (hence the username) and I think I remember that

[–]princesssugarpearl16 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Was this before she actually entered the YouTube world?

[–]soundsfromoutside6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I gather, yes.

[–]cornycatlady10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right! She sounds so forced. It’s uncomfortable

[–]cookie_dookie7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree...I wanted to like her and Cynthia L but both seem too forced for me.

[–]ban1chka78 points79 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

I like a lot of her content. But I can't help but feel that her smiles and overall presentation are... fake. Something just feels very off when I watch her videos. I thought I was the only one with how many positive comments I was seeing about her and thought I was going insane. But I'm reading other commenters here talking about it, so I can see I'm not the only one and I'm relieved.

Being feminine does include being kind and polite and friendly. But it also means being genuine. I've stopped watching her content just because it makes me feel so conflicted.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I like her videos a lot, but her audience is majority male (someone shared the data a while back on another subreddit) and it makes me slightly uncomfortable knowing so many men may be enjoying her content for some perverse reasons

[–]alpacaapril8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats true. She talks about being a homemaker while she is a full time Business woman.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Plus she talks about not going to university while she herself went and completed a degree

[–]alpacaapril8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes a degree and economy, which she uses now. And probably earns more than her husband now. Also, she just started becoming a full-time YouTuber after being jobless for a long time. I think something is really strange about it.

Edit: I mean its strange to earn money with the lie "I am a homemaker" meanwhile having a real career.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, she’s nice enough and I enjoy her videos, she just isn’t really practicing what she preaches

[–]soundsfromoutside39 points40 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She (or her husband) censor the comment section on her YouTube which is why they are all so positive but every time Midwest is brought up on here there are many comments discussing her weird behavior. You’re definitely not alone!

[–]ban1chka11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ooh I see. I was starting to think something like this might be happening, seeing the comments here, though I was hoping it wasn't true. Thank you :)

[–]lomysin8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I hundred percent agree. She doesn't come across as genuine and I find her videos dull as a result. School of Affluence is problematic but at least entertaining.

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[–]lomysin0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Is School of Affluence even in an LTR though?

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[–]lomysin2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nice. Good to date Arab or Slavic men who aren’t fuck boys.

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[–]lomysin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hahahhahaha. Lebanese men can be catholic? Thought they were always Muslim or Christian Maronite. Got my Slavic King 👑

[–]moredollals14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People need to remember she is a communications major. She scripts her videos and presents them in a way to appeal, I believe. Which is why it can come across fake. I do like her content but I also do see this as well.

[–]ban1chka8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You could have a point, but based on my previous experience with scripted and rehearsed speeches, I'm not convinced that's the reason.

[–]moredollals2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That could be true, I believe she also was a womens sermon person (I'm not religious, I can't remember the correct term) so unsure whether that has an influence as well. I believe she has experience to talking in a way to try persuade people of her points, and this strategizing might come into play here.

[–]terragutti15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ive felt this way too, but never really had the guts to voice it out in this sub. Apparently she has really bad tweets. I can ignore that while im watching her but i also know that there are aspects of her i woudnt wish to follow

[–]wymone18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never got the impression that she was being fake. But her content is “off” to me in another way- I don’t like how she presents ideas like she’s the authority, she came up with all these things on her own, gleaned from her life experience. Like dude, you’re what, 22?? Probably she read self help books like Surrendered Wife and similar. I don’t think it would kill her to say things like, “I read this idea X and it made total sense”. (Or maybe I am salty because I was definitely not that observant in my teens/ early 20s)

[–]nessabhensley1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her husband deletes all of the negative comments

[–]nastyyboii9110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I felt that there's something going behind the scenes that we don't know about. Perhaps abuse? But I honestly IDK, and I hope it isn't that. She seems ungeniune as in she's putting on a show when she doesn't feel like it 🤔.

[–]melitele316 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like watching her’s and Cynthia L’s videos for relaxation with tea. They are rather soothing, positive and good if you want to watch something but you don’t want to think.

I wouldn’t watch these to learn anything new or elevate myself in any way though. Sometimes they post videos in which they give advices on how to improve yourself in many different areas. I find those unsurprisingly vague, generic, obvious and I almost never learn anything I hadn’t already known before. I do not find them helpful and I do not think they will help anyone either.

Especially when posting things like “feminine finances” and not providing any actual advices when it comes to economics - like inflation, investing and diversifying, budgeting with examples of templates and softwares you could use, book recommendations - nothing. I really do not think advice like “oh, stop spending frivolously” will help anyone.

When I want to learn and improve my character, I much prefer to watch lectures of psychologists and biologists. Read some scientists like David Sinclair, Matthew Walker, Robert Sapolsky, Steven Pinker, Noam Chomsky, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson. Sure they don’t approach things through “feminine and cute” lens - but they surely approach things through facts and science - and even if they are limited to what we know today, I believe to average Joe or person who hasn’t been thorough the journey of self knowledge, they can be really eye opening, helpful materials. Feminine, childlike, kind... I don’t think any of these matter if we don’t know anything about ourselves as humans first. If we do not understand the chemical processes, behavioral patterns, psychological aspects, our temperament and personality, then wearing feminine dress and being cheerful won’t help, especially when you are surrounded with chaos.

And once you do engage in search of meaning and who you are, you wouldn’t be able to produce such vague content, which leads me to believe these ladies haven’t done that.

I wish there was one, only one feminine you tuber who would actually approach these topics seriously, deeply, concretely with facts, solid advices that are specific etc.

End of rant xD

[–]lonelythrowway76319 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go against the grain here and say she doesn't seem fake to me. I really enjoy her content! We are both from the midwest and the same age, I think. I feel like if I was on YouTube (which I don't think I'll ever have time for), I'd have the same mannerisms. They are very guarded and midwestern, haha. IMO her cheeriness and confidence might be an "act" but her sentiments seem genuine and the info is quite good!

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I'm from the South and her hand gestures and cheer... that stuff is somewhat regional.

[–]raspberryjam16 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

IMO her cheeriness and confidence might be an "act" but her sentiments seem genuine and the info is quite good!

This is exactly how I feel and why I watch her.

[–]humblespark27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Check out AlexandrasGirlyTalk on YouTube! She seems very genuine to me, and she knows SO much about how to dress, beauty tips, and how to get in touch with your femininity in general.

[–]terragutti7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She super is and shes just so open and honest about the things shes been going through!

[–]raspberryjam11 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

AlexandrasGirlyTalk

Oh wow! Thank you for this. First video I clicked on is incredible.

[–]tinytiril8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Check out milena cicciotti on YouTube! Specially her older videos about dressing modest and feminine are good. She also has many videos on faith if youre into that! I find her much more natural and relatable than mrs.midwest.

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[–]dottiejeann1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much! A shame to hear about Ms. Midwest. Will be unsubscribing.

[–]Throwaway23030614 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think Mrs Midwest is an interesting case study in being a red pill influencer. Personally, I find her content pretty bland. There's more actionable advice and inspiration during an average week at RPW than in her blogs and videos

That said, Mrs Midwest is interesting because:

-She claims to be a housewife while growing a online business. Shooting and editing videos, blogging, instagramming, dealing with sponsors, etc. doesn't happen on its own. She's really running at least a part time small business--and a seemingly successful one!

-Her tone on her blogs, Insta, and videos is far more open and inclusive than her (now paused?) Twitter account, where she used to RT very conservative folks ( stuff like "we're going to hell in a handbasket because women work" from say, Lori Alexander).

-I give her the benefit of the doubt that she's not a white nationalist or supremacist, but she would occasionally RT stuff from people who are considered white nationalists. Maybe it was very mild content, but she didn't seem vet the accounts that she followed or liked. I think this is very unwise of her. For one thing, her social media persona will reflect badly on her husband's career as a cop if he's ever involved in an incident or has a complaint filed against him. And, her liking questionable accounts reinforces the (false) criticism that red pill women are simply racists or white nationalists or flunkies for the alt right.

-As a white, Christian conservative woman whose livelyhood is tied to the police, she is in a very strange position and I'd bet it's hard for her to navigate social media right now (I believe she's been taking a break from at least Instagram from the past month).

[–]pm_me_milk_caramels17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I really loved her for quite a while, but I agree she seems like she forces herself to be this happy girl all the time.

Another thing: she talks all the time about how she volunteers but I've never seen her actually volunteer (or document it or write/post about a specific volunteer project, you know what I mean).

Also, every time she features her husband, I can't help but feel that there's something off about him. Can't really figure out why or what exactly it is.

I still watch some of her videos because she does have some great advice and I also really like her vlog's aesthetics. I just don't think she's a perfect angel like I used to.

[–]carameals7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think she used to have a Reddit account where she talked about her husband's porn addiction

[–]Ringthrowaway777 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know generalizations are generalizations for a reason (they don't apply to everyone), but her husband is a cop. I feel like that job can spill over cops' private lives pretty easily (i.e., a rigid sense of what is "right" and "wrong," and it also needs to be said that it's well-documented that cops have high rates of domestic abuse).

This isn't meant to be anti-cop or "all cops are bad" or "she's in an abusive relationship," just worth noting. My ex was sometimes in charge of disciplining teens--and even that dynamic could easily slip into our relationship occasionally.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I really like her. I find most YouTubers to be somewhat fake, since they're basically acting. I think a lot of these comments are really unfair and vague. She represents a lot of the values we advocate.

[–]Aauo26883 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree!

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[–]ban1chka30 points31 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, but could you share how you got the information? I'm not a huge fan of hers or follow her too much but I don't think it's fair to say something like that about someone and not provide evidence.

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Here is a couple of screenshots of one of the accounts she follows, pretty gross stuff. https://imgur.com/a/823UCy2

[–]terragutti7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Youre not going to like this but mr. Aethist has a vid on her and lets just say the things hes said has been pretty damning.

https://youtu.be/yKMGXy0qPsk start at 12:00

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

You don’t believe me because I don’t really have any concrete evidence. I only found this information out because I watch a lot of femininity content so there’s been several comments discussing this topic on videos I’ve seen in the past. There’s also have been Reddit posts that have mentioned similar allegations.

But you can’t really believe everything on the internet and we don’t know her personally. I’ve personally liked some of her videos but always thought there was something up bc many white supremacist wives seem to fit the mold that she does.

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[–]Ringthrowaway771 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What happened to innocent until proven guilty

Point taken, but reddit's not a court of law. Even if we don't have 100% undeniable proof that she and her husband support white supremacists or espouse those views, I'd still be interested in digging in deeper and avoiding giving her content clicks in the meantime if there are hints that they're sympathetic to those causes.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Like I said we will never know her personally so you don’t have to believe what others are saying.

We may never find out if it’s true or false because we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. So I can’t really state that it’s true and you can’t state that it’s false gossip either.

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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Unlike Miss Midwest, I have not said or done anything online or in person to make people perceive me in that manner. Miss Midwest in the past has been known for making posts or referencing people with questioning beliefs.

On her blog she made a list where she referenced Stefan Molyneux who is known for being a white nationalist. He preaches things such as “Jews being responsible for the holocaust” and denounces interracial couples by saying that they lead to more violence / the kids end up with more psychological problems. Don’t you think it would mean something if she recommended material from him ??? You may say she doesn’t follow his views but don’t we all share opinions or at least admire some of the attributes of the people we follow. Its also weird that she hasn’t taken down the post considering the fact that her followers are from all backgrounds.

As of April 2020, she likes this post which some may say is pretty questionable considering what is going on in the U.S right now.

I may not have proof of her or her husband physically saying that they have supremacist views but some of the things she does truly are questionable.

[–]clemangerine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I liked her and now I am left with such a crappy feeling.

[–]FlowerAndWillowWorld-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes of course, she must be a white supremacist because she's proud of being the race that she was born as(and had no control over obviously), and would like to see the preservation of white cultures and history. Just like anyone of any other race on Earth is allowed to be proud of who they are and their culture and historical background...oh no that's right, white people are the devil and everything about them must be wiped off the face of the Earth. That's not completely racist at all.

Pull your head out of your ass, YOU are the racist one here.

[–]fosho_away2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hoo boy this is a lot of nonsense.

We are not threatened or oppressed because of our skin. We look like most politicians, celebrities, and business people. Stop making straw man arguments.

This is toxic white supremacist language. Whiteness is not a culture. I’m white with a touch of Jewish so maybe I’m more sensitive to this but you need to gain some perspective and drop the victim complex.

[–]FlowerAndWillowWorld4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You saying white people aren't experiencing racism today because "most politicians, celebrities, and business people" look like us is a straw man. Look around you, groups like BLM and Antifa are destroying white history (both good and bad) on a daily basis.

White people have cultures, and supporting those cultures because you are a part of one or more of them is not toxic or white supremacist. Supporting and being proud of your own culture is a right that is afforded to everyone in America today. Except increasingly that's not the case for white people specifically. If you didn't hate yourself so much for being white, you might notice that.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t comment that it was racist. The picture was already tagged with that title. That is why I simply just stated that liking such a picture at this time and her hiatus might make her questionable to some of her viewers. The person who created the original link likely thought of it that way because of her support of some people who have white nationalist views ( Stefan Molyneux).

Also no.

[–]ban1chka5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand. Thank you :)

[–]healthyelegant19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah she's also completely disappeared from social media since the protests started. She says it was due to something personal, but it's been awhile now and she hasn't made a peep on it at all. Her husband being a cop puts her in na strange situation, but a lot of people are very mad at her for not addressing it at all. I do wonder if maybe she was going through a family loss or a miscarriage or something, but who knows!

[–]leinlin35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don‘t like her but I don’t think she necessarily needs to address it. Her channel, as far as I know, isn‘t political.

[–]healthyelegant-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree, but the mainstream does not, so she will be dealing with all that for a while!

[–]terragutti5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her husbad is a cop and i think its valid for her to feel insecure right now with everything going on. Especially when BLM says things like "its either youre fully with us or against us" .i would be scared too

[–]Aauo268814 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“White supremacist” is thrown around so much nowadays that even blacks are being called white supremacists, so without showing any evidence, this is an absurd accusation to make.

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[–]HappilyMrs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh that's disappointing. I think I follow her on IG

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[–]rpw890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whaaaaaaaaat?

[–]LookingForEquanimity-5 points-4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if that is why she hasn’t been posting to insta. She had a Instagram story right after the murder of George Floyd saying she was going MIA for “personal reasons”. How did you find out her husband is a white supremacist?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

YouTube comments and some people on Reddit have said similar things. I don’t know her personally but it definitely doesn’t help that she’s taking a hiatus during this time.

I just really hope what people are saying aren’t true. Because I love influencers who encourage exploring your femininity. It would be terrible if she and her husband truly have those beliefs.

[–]soundsfromoutside3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Another little tidbit about Instagram: a black feminine YouTuber, The Feminine Fancy, posted something on her insta story while back saying “Your fave feminine influencers cop husband said this:” and the statement went something along of the lines of “People making a big deal of white cops killing black people but no one cares about black people killing white people”. The only feminine youtuber with a cop husband (that I know of) is Midwest and trying to divert attention away from police brutality is not a good sign.

Edit: changed oriole to people...what is wrong with my autocorrect....

[–]leinlin7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did she provide any proof?

[–]soundsfromoutside0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I believe (you can actually go on fundiesnark and find the exact post), Fancy did post the actual picture of the statement but didn’t show the name. So not really proof. Fancy isn’t the type of person who makes gossip content or talks about other youtubers so there’s reason to believe she feels strongly about this.

[–]leinlin18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same can be said about Midwest. Nothing leading to assume that she’s a racist. On the contrary. Her content is pretty inclusive. Again, I don’t like or watch her. But I also don’t like calling someone as racist without any clear evidence. Not an attack on you btw. Just a my general opinion.

[–]fosho_away2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well sounds like I need to check out The Feminine Fancy. :)

[–]soundsfromoutside3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s authentic and actually has real advice lol

[–]PawfullyPlayful1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to love her as well but something about her has felt... Disingenuous? I can't put my finger on it.

[–]Spider_Full_Love0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How about her video on “casual sex”. Although some parts were valid, I disagreed with a lot of the points against casual sex altogether

[–]soundsfromoutside9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My problem with that video is that she starts off saying “I’m not here to judge” but then ends the video with “It’s foolish to have sex before marriage!”

[–]shopdropnroll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve done the same during COVID now that I’m home more with my boyfriend. I bought myself pretty pastel loungewear/athletic wear for spring and darker warmer colors for fall. You should check out the Lululemon subreddit for really cute outfit ideas and a supportive group of women :)

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