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Overly smitten

April 23, 2017
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So my roommate is 34, probably only a 5.5/6 (her skin is aging a lot) and dating this 31yo man for the past three months. Apparently he's absolutely smitten with her and has talked about marriage and wanting her to visit his family during the summer.

She has been actively looking to marry for the past 8 years or so. She was strung along during a 4 year relationship (they lived together, she moved to a new country with him without being married, she suddenly realized he didn't want to marry her and had to make the move to leave) and has been unsuccessfully trying to date since that relationship.

Anyways, so she was telling me how turned off she is by him being overly attentive to her and talking about marriage, which is what she wants. It made me think how he was being too much of a beta and she didn't really need to chase after him or prove herself to him either. She also talks about how he's "too short" (she's about 5'5 and he's 5'8) and how that's may or may not be a deal breaker for her.

A bit interesting to think about...especially when she pulls the "short card."

Do you think men can get away with being more beta if they're tall? Do you think women feel like they also need to "earn" her husband? Do you think there's a "marriage game" where both people need to feel like the other is a catch and both have to seem not desperate?

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Title Overly smitten
Author vanBeethovenLudwig
Upvotes 13
Comments 14
Date April 23, 2017 5:38 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/RedPillWomen/overly-smitten.87210
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[–]cynicalhousewife points points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think the problem is that she doesn't find him that attractive. It's not his enthusiasm that is turning her off, it's the fact that she doesn't feel hot over him to begin with. Being interested and enthusiastic isn't a problem if the woman is actually attracted to the man to begin with.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can she fairly ask that at 34, when she wants to marry and (I assume) have kids? I mean, her prospects are only going to get less attractive as time goes on. If she nexts this guy, she could very likely find herself 44, following him and his family on Facebook, and wondering what if.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'll be curious to see what happens with the relationship. She's been talking about wanting to get married for so long to not success, now here's a guy who is smitten with her and talking about marriage and she's unsure. She definitely doesn't seem so excited but I also think she's running out of options. She's not terribly attractive either (not overweight but simply average).

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Until she changes her thinking, I'd say she'll always be unhappy in the relationship. She'll always think she settled. Even average women can be beautiful, but she needs to get on it if she's planning to have children.

[–]ivegotsomequestions04 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you think there's a "marriage game" where both people need to feel like the other is a catch and both have to seem not desperate?

I think that people are driven to try and get approval from those who hold it out of reach, and they're automatically suspicious when it's given too quickly or someone seems desperate for their approval. It's a proxy for a person's status, and it also feeds into actual status.

Does it play a role in the marriage decision? Not unless the couple is still trying to sniff out each other's status for some reason. But since they've only been dating for 3 months, that dance is probably still going on.

Do you think men can get away with being more beta if they're tall?

Not much. I bet she's picking on his shortness because she's not sure whether he's a good catch, given how desperate he seems. If he were tall, she would pick on something else.

[–]Landry864 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol.... She sounds um interesting.

I'm not sure about the tall thing. My father is short and he is very alpha. For the most part he's quiet and keeps to himself but whenever another man is getting on his nerves (like house contractors for instance) he puts them in their place immediately and directly.

Height can also depend on where you live. I am in Louisiana and many people here are short because they come from Italian/Cajun background. So being 5'5 wouldn't be that weird here. Most guys linger in the 5'7-5'9 range and girls here are 5'0-5'4

[–]radioactivities97 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There shouldn't have to be the game of not 'looking desperate' with someone you'd ltr/marry. Damn. I think a lot of people lack self-awareness. How hard is it to encourage each other's standards and expectations? Like relationships are just magic.

5'8 isn't even short.

Wonder if he is genuinely crazy about her for who SHE is tho, and not just having a relationship with a woman. Does he 'see' her? That's common for men not to, and mistake things for love which are not love.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There shouldn't have to be the game of not 'looking desperate' with someone you'd ltr/marry.

That's true, I think in most of the marriages I know both people had the feeling of being a team together. It wasn't really a surprise that he proposed, they had been talking about it for a while.

Wonder if he is genuinely crazy about her for who SHE is tho, and not just having a relationship with a woman. Does he 'see' her? That's common for men not to, and mistake things for love which are not love.

I understand what you're saying. I think men who haven't been in a lot of LTRs will mistaken this (same with women actually...remember how fun and oogly you were in your first relationship?). I don't know if he's genuinely crazy about her or just lonely.

[–]radioactivities90 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The team is true. Genuinely caring about each other, both psychologically/physically/goal-wise...with mutual self-interest...it's golden.

The woman you described doesn't seem to care about the man too much.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigEndorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think she does too, but not sure if him being overly beta also ruined it. It's too bad because she's 34 and I don't think she can be so picky...

[–]tempintheeastbayEndorsed Contributor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It sounds like she has a really unrealistic set of expectations ;p

[–]merlinsmoon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is he beta though? What about him makes you consider him "beta"? Does he have any "alpha" qualities?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's obvious why your friend's alone.

I used to have similar silly qualifiers, like height and hairline and even color (no redheads). Then I hit, oh 26 or so, and realized my guy (gay) friend's advice was true. It's okay to say you'd rather be alone than settle, as long as you really mean it. You might end up alone. The music might stop and you might not have a chair.

My fiance is 5'7.5". He claims 5'8" and I tease him for it, because he's not insecure at all. I'm 5'5.5", so he has 2 inches on me. He's also noticeably losing his red hair... as are most men over 35 (2/3). Because I got over myself, I find him very attractive and he's naturally very alpha.

I don't think height has anything to do with it. I think your friend is her own problem.

[–]RubyWooToo3 Stars0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Based on what little information you've provided about her, it seems that her self-esteem is so low that she thinks any man who is smitten with her and talking about marriage must be desperate and low quality. She's pulling out the "short card" to detract from her own shortcomings.

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