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Submission is a gift

stevierose789
February 12, 2020
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A woman’s submission to her man is a gift. Imagine it as a cellar of very fine wine that left unopened grows better with time. When a woman is pretty sure a man is worthy of it; she opens and gives him one bottle of fine wine to see what care he takes with the precious contents. Does he slosh it into a red solo cup, guzzle half the bottle, or carefully pour it into a wine glass and savor each sip?

If he proves trustworthy, she continues to give him a bottle of wine at a time until she is certain he will take care of her wine cellar. Then she gives him the keys to unlock the door.

Translation: A man earns your submission. Be wise. If you give your submission to a man who does not appreciate your gift, you will be less trusting of men and it will be harder to give it to the man who has earned it.

So does that mean you don’t let a man tell you what to do? Of course not! There will be many times when it is in your best interest to listen to what men say and do what they advise. Think of repairs to appliances, your car, your plumbing, electrical wiring, tree trimming, and so forth. I know there are women in these jobs, but they are few and far between. You would be foolish not to find a man you trust to help you in these types of circumstances. However, accepting their good advice and acting on it is not submission.

There may also be times you cry on a man’s shoulder at work or in a social situation and take comfort from his hug and his kindness. Showing your vulnerability to a man when you are in genuine distress is not submission.

So what is submission? I believe it a complete trust that your man has you and your children’s best interest first in mind with all decisions he makes. Because of this trust, you let him lead, and do your best to obey his wishes. I believe it should only be given to one man in a monogamous relationship. Others may disagree.

Submission is not easy and only comes with effort and time in a relationship. Sometimes it takes a while to recognize just how wise and competent your man can be. It is small acts of concession and cheerfulness that grow stronger as each of you finds happiness in his leadership and the direction your relationship is headed.

The important thing to remember: You do not give your submission to your SO because he is a man. You give it because he acts like a man. This idea of putting his needs first is only appropriate when doing so helps him to be the best leader he can be. If he is not a leader, if he can’t manage his own life, if he is undisciplined and unreliable, he does not deserve your submission and will never appreciate it.

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Title Submission is a gift
Author stevierose789
Upvotes 125
Comments 63
Date February 12, 2020 8:43 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/RedPillWomen
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Comments

[–]DunboyCastleInTheSky11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Loved this! Thanks for posting. 💕

[–]loneliness-inc7 points8 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

A woman’s submission to her man is a gift.

The premise behind this statement and the post that follows is: you own your body. You own the marriage. You will decide when he earned your submission and to what degree you will submit at any given time. You will forever decide when, where and to what degree you'll be giving this gift to him.

By definition, a gift is something you don't have to give. You can decide to give or not to give. Therefore, with the mindset you describe in this post, even when you allow him to lead, you remain in charge. You're just allowing him to pretend to lead.

This is the feminist mindset of my body, my choice. The mindset that completely strips men of any and all authority in the marriage. There isn't any part of the marriage that's under his jurisdiction, because it's entirely up to you to decide whether or not he's worthy of your submission today.

So what is submission? I believe it a complete trust that your man has you and your children’s best interest first in mind with all decisions he makes. Because of this trust, you let him lead, and do your best to obey his wishes. I believe it should only be given to one man in a monogamous relationship. Others may disagree.

And here is the other side of the coin. Responsibility.

Earlier in the post, you placed all the authority squarely in the hands of the woman, as explained above. Here you leave the responsibility squarely in the hands of the man.

Furthermore, his ability to take responsibility and his success or failure at doing so, is the very measuring stick through which you'll determine his worthiness for the gift of submission!

In short: you expect to keep the traditional male role of responsibility, while removing his traditional role of authority. You hold on tightly to the authority, that's why you see submission as a gift as explained above.

This is straight out of the feminist playbook! To strip away male authority while expecting male responsibility! You wish to keep all the authority for yourself.

Authority without responsibility is tyranny, responsibility without authority is slavery. This means that the vision of marriage which you describe here will make you his tyrannical slave master while role playing to pretend that he's in charge!

This is one of the major factors in the demise of marriage in the west. When authority is divorced from responsibility, there isn't anything in it for the man. It's all the obligation of traditional marriage with none of the benefits.

True submission is total submission. When you're in the mood of it and when you aren't. Just like you expect your husband to always take responsibility, no matter what. So too must your submission be a constant. Always, no matter what.

Submission is not a gift. Submission is your end of the marriage deal.

[–]stevierose789[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

The premise behind this statement and the post that follows is: you own your body. You own the marriage.

Yes I own my body. I am not even going to debate that fact. No I don’t own the marriage. A marriage is not a business relationship, but if you want to put it in terms of value as a commodity, then it is a company with two equal shareholders. With time the woman made give the man her shares of the company knowing he will invest them wisely.

You will decide when he earned your submission and to what degree you will submit at any given time.

Yes I will decide when he has earned my submission. And when he does, I turn over the keys. He has complete access to the wine cellar. The only time I can take back my submission after that point is if I change the lock and that means leaving the marriage. It would have to be a major change in his behavior for a significant amount of time for that to happen.

You will forever decide when, where and to what degree you'll be giving this gift to him.

No once submission is given it can’t be taken away without changing the lock, which is leaving the relationship.

The mindset that completely strips men of any and all authority in the marriage.

In order for something to be stripped away, it has to be there in the first place. Why should I give a man authority over me if he is not capable of leading.

Earlier in the post, you placed all the authority squarely in the hands of the woman

No, I am not suggesting that women have authority over the man. I am saying he should not have authority over her until he can be trusted to have her best interest at heart.

Furthermore, his ability to take responsibility and his success or failure at doing so, is the very measuring stick through which you'll determine his worthiness for the gift of submission!

Exactly!

In short: you expect to keep the traditional male role of responsibility, while removing his traditional role of authority. When authority is divorced from responsibility, there isn't anything in it for the man. It's all the obligation of traditional marriage with none of the benefits.

A man who does not receive satisfaction and take pride in taking care of his family will never find happiness in marriage and shouldn’t get married. If control over the wife is the only important benefit of the marriage in a man’s eyes, then that is just all the more reason he shouldn’t have it.

True submission is total submission. When you're in the mood of it and when you aren't. Just like you expect your husband to always take responsibility, no matter what. So too must your submission be a constant. Always, no matter what.

This idea that a man should be rewarded for being responsible is nonsense. I do not expect to be rewarded for being responsible. I do it because I want to see my family taken care of, keep my job, stay out of debt, and stay out of trouble.

And I can tell you one thing for certain, I would never consider submitting to a man who has your attitude. You would not appreciate it, and would most likely take advantage of my vulnerability.

[–]loneliness-inc2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes I own my body. I am not even going to debate that fact.

That's okay. You can own your body as long as you're responsible for it. This means that you'll go downstairs to check the house when you hear noises at night. You will kill the spiders that bother you. You will contribute your fair share of the family finances and chores, inside the house and outside. And you will take equal responsibility in all other areas of life as your husband does.

No I don’t own the marriage. A marriage is not a business relationship, but if you want to put it in terms of value as a commodity, then it is a company with two equal shareholders. With time the woman made give the man her shares of the company knowing he will invest them wisely.

I don't know of a single marriage that actually works as an equal partnership. It's a nice ideal, but hardly if ever works in reality.

Yes I will decide when he has earned my submission. And when he does, I turn over the keys. He has complete access to the wine cellar. The only time I can take back my submission after that point is if I change the lock and that means leaving the marriage. It would have to be a major change in his behavior for a significant amount of time for that to happen.

These are fluffy words that have no basis in reality and no logical consistency.

No once submission is given it can’t be taken away without changing the lock, which is leaving the relationship.

More fluffy words...

In order for something to be stripped away, it has to be there in the first place. Why should I give a man authority over me if he is not capable of leading.

Male authority has been present since time immemorial until a few decades ago. Feminism stripped away male authority in law and culture. Your argument here and in the post, is an argument for feminist ideals and doesn't belong in a RP forum, as explained in the previous comment.

A man who does not receive satisfaction and take pride in taking care of his family will never find happiness in marriage and shouldn’t get married. If control over the wife is the only important benefit of the marriage in a man’s eyes, then that is just all the more reason he shouldn’t have it.

Here you go, conflating authority with control. Go on....

This idea that a man should be rewarded for being responsible is nonsense. I do not expect to be rewarded for being responsible. I do it because I want to see my family taken care of, keep my job, stay out of debt, and stay out of trouble.

It's not a reward. It's the fair exchange rate for responsibility. You can expect whatever you want, just don't complain when you're single and alone and can't find a man or when your marriage isn't quite working out. I'm giving you the answer. Responsibility and authority are like peanut butter and jelly. They go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other for a extended period of time without a fallout.

And I can tell you one thing for certain, I would never consider submitting to a man who has your attitude. You would not appreciate it, and would most likely take advantage of my vulnerability.

You couldn't argue your point itself without getting personal.... because your argument makes no sense. Your argument is feminist propaganda cloaked as RPW.

[–]stevierose789[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Male authority has been present since time immemorial until a few decades ago. Feminism stripped away male authority in law and culture. Your argument here and in the post, is an argument for feminist ideals and doesn't belong in a RP forum, as explained in the previous comment.

I am in a female forum, that is under the RP banner. I am not arguing for feminsit ideals. I am writing from a purely feminine perspect of my own experience and passing on what I believe is good advice for women to find happiness in their marriage. If you don't believe it is good advice don't pay attention to it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Submission is tied is with respect and dominance. It is necessary to have something to submit to, it does not happen in a vacuum. It is simply not possible to submit for the act of it alone. You don't respect someone for merely existing and you don't offer submission on the basis of gender or relationship status.

Perhaps if one is religious they can find it within their beliefs to submit to the 'role' of husband if the man is lacking but for most modern western women that is not reality. Just as a ring doesn't automatically make a good wife, a vow at an altar does not make a man worthy of respect (one could argue not to marry that man but that is beyond the scope here)

Men who think submission can be demanded do not understand or accept female nature. I wonder if such men believe that they can demand unearned respect from other men.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who think submission can be demanded do not understand or accept female nature. I wonder if such men believe that they can demand unearned respect from other men.

Men who think submission can be demanded are operating from a position of corrupted hierarchy where power rules, instead of a healthy hierarchy where competence rules. People follow competent men because doing so is best for everyone; people follow corrupt men because they're AFRAID not to... or they're corrupt themselves and like the abusiveness.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

A man who does not receive satisfaction and take pride in taking care of his family will never find happiness in marriage and shouldn’t get married.

Bingo. Some men, like my husband, enjoy their role and naturally inspire the kind of submission in me that makes our marriage work. My husband loves women, because he's always been able to attract the good ones who want to treat him well. Not just tooting my own horn lol, but I've met a couple of his exes and they were all brilliant women.

Others, like /u/loneliness-inc, marry and then spend their time complaining about the entitlement of women on MGTOW and divorce and dead bedroom subreddits. Speaks more to kind of women I suspect he's surrounded himself with than some kind of RP truth.

[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hi, 🙋‍♂️

Good to see you again.

Glad to see you aren't asleep at the wheel.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is it not a fair point? Men who are able to inspire a woman's submission don't talk or act the way you do, so I'm wondering why you persist in sharing your off-key "advice" here.

If you're not happy in your own marriage, you're not the type of man who is invited to participate here.

[–]loneliness-inc2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is it not a fair point?

No. People resort to attacks on the character when they don't have an actual argument.

Additionally, you seem to have something against me personally and it's been this way for a while. I think your personal dislike of me colors your judgment to the point where I doubt you're capable of making a fair judgment on anything I write.

Men who are able to inspire a woman's submission don't talk or act the way you do, so I'm wondering why you persist in sharing your off-key "advice" here.

There are several things wrong with this statement. Here are some of them in no particular order.

  1. The premise behind the mindset of "a man who inspires submission" is that he must earn her favor at all times. The power to submit or not submit remains in her hands. Therefore, she never truly submits. (As I explained in my original comment).

  2. You're making assumptions about what a man like this does and doesn't do, without backing up your claim with any explanation at all. You just assert it to be so.

  3. In your worldview, what value ought a woman to bring to the table to deserve such a high degree of investment? People disinvest when their burden of obligation is not commensurate with the benefits they receive in return. Now it's true that the burden of responsibility for men is always going to be greater than the benefits received in return, but that doesn't mean that men will just keep on keeping on as their responsibilities pile up and their benefits diminish or disappear.

  4. You can make fun of me all you want, it won't diminish the truth of what I have to say. If you think I'm incorrect, argue against the point and put away your claws.

If you're not happy in your own marriage, you're not the type of man who is invited to participate here.

It seems like you would ban me as soon as you became a mod, if you ever do. You've made this comment to me many times.

My marriage isn't relevant to this discussion. There's no reason for you to bring it in. I didn't say anything about my marriage and I don't usually speak about it because it isn't relevant to the point being made. I seek to find the common denominator in many people's experiences and to not rely only on my own personal experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The premise behind the mindset of "a man who inspires submission" is that he must earn her favor at all times.

No. You've missed the point - that some men inspire it naturally. It's not earning favor, it's just the natural result of who he is.

what value ought a woman to bring to the table to deserve such a high degree of investment?

Off-base again. It isn't about who ought to do what to deserve what. It's a fact some some men simply exist in the world in a masculine, self-assured way, and that women enjoy deferring to these men and making them happy. It isn't an antagonistic push and pull where you count what you've given and make sure you're rewarded in kind - it's a win-win when this dynamic works.

My husband enjoys responsibility, it isn't a burden to him. Because of who he is, I enjoy giving him everything that I can.

It seems like you would ban me as soon as you became a mod, if you ever do.

I've no interest in modding here, but I won't deny that I don't think MGTOW/unhappily married men have anything to offer here.

My marriage isn't relevant to this discussion.

It is. The sidebar clearly states the kind of men who are invited to contribute. Your marital status and your ability as a man to keep a happy marriage is absolutely relevant. Your post history is full of scathing comments on MGTOW, divorce and dead bedroom subreddits. You are not the kind of married man who has anything to offer here.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think MGTOW/unhappily married men have anything to offer here.

I'm going to refute this by the quotation from one of my favorite demotivational posters. "It could be that the purposes of your life is only to serve as an object lesson to others."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps, but that doesn't change the rules of the sub.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it not a fair point?

Not really. It's a pretty cheap shot.

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]loneliness-inc3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have never been a fan of the concept of what you term here as true submission. Only god deserves my true submission. It’s ill conceived to expect another human to always have your best interests at heart. Only I can trust myself to have them. Marrying someone doesn’t give them the right to mindlessly own my heart and mind. Even if they deserve it. Me (or a wife’s) having free will, what you deem as authority in your comment doesn’t remove my husbands free will. It’s not that black and white.

I can respect that as long as you're consistent. As long as you both agreed to a partnership of equals and you both actually pull your full weight in the relationship.

I reality though, this hardly ever happens. This has been covered extensively throughout TRP.

A husband has to be responsible without expecting his wife’s submission. He has to be responsible for his kids, finances, how he lives his life and if he isn’t that is absolutely within his wife’s right to question his ability to lead. A man not having my submission doesn’t make him my slave.

What?

Why?

Why does he need to take full responsibility?

Why must he do so for nothing in return?

What you say here is exactly the type of female entitlement that's caused so many men to walk away entirely.

[–]01cALipH0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I reality though, this hardly ever happens. This has been covered extensively throughout TRP.

You are right. It hardly happens because men are the ones not pulling their weight in relationships. Women are expected to work, yet do more than their fair share of housework and child rearing.

Why does he need to take full responsibility? Why must he do so for nothing in return?

you are drawing a correlation between a wife’s submission and a husbands responsibility. A wife can’t always be expected to relinquish control to her husband. And if she doesn’t, would it make sense for him to abandon his responsibilities to his children and to himself? Both should take care to listen to each other’s needs and take their responsibilities seriously especially when they are not getting their needs met. You don’t throw your hat in every time you have a fight.

What you say here is exactly the type of female entitlement that's caused so many men to walk away entirely.

Talk for yourself. You have unrealistic standards for women. They will never be completely submissive, and perfect at every angle. Why do you find her differing opinions threatening to your authority?

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It hardly happens because men are the ones not pulling their weight in relationships. Women are expected to work,

Flat out wrong and feminist propaganda to boot. Men work more hours on the job, period. Women are also NOT expected to work, other than in the house. Many people choose to be two-income households, but there are plenty of social strata where man-works woman-wife-household holds fast.

You have unrealistic standards for women. They will never be completely submissive,

Nobody is talking absolutes. But just as a man brings his competence, authority, and responsibility to a marriage has the expectation/requirement, a woman brings her supportiveness, caretaking, and yes, submission to the marriage. At least they do if they're redpill. Otherwise, why is he leading?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The OP is talking about submission being given over time and people are objecting as though it should be given fully and completely at once.

Ideally, it should be given over time, bit by bit as part of the vetting process. You don't defer to a man because of his genitalia.

We see women here who become submissive to men on an instinctual level even if he's not the right man. We also see women who are asking "how should I be submissive to my two month old LDR (not making this up). And of course the "how do I make my egalitarian mate into a leader".

All of those things require handing over the reigns bit by bit to ensure he is a worthy leader.

It also sounds like the automatic assumption is that if she is not submissive, he is still stuck with all the responsibilities of the household. If she isn't following him it's because she's taking care of herself. Ultimately I believe that this is the strongest relationship dynamic but I don't think you start off by handing over the reigns to a man.

Women are also NOT expected to work, other than in the house.

Women have more options re: working, but if the leader makes the choice to be a two income household (and in many cases 'choice' is not the right word) - she is still "expected" to work. The idea that women never worked historically is actually the feminist propaganda.

[–]hisangelforever8 points9 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

How should you go about things if you want to give your submission to a man but he is sometimes erring on the side of equality? For example, I said it was nice to finally have a boyfriend I can look up to, and he said you only need to look across at me. He says other things like he wants a normal adult relationship. But then he says other things that seem like he is a traditional man’s man who wants submission. Is there a way to bring out his dominance more strongly?

[–]PhaedrusHunt24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let him know indirectly or directly if absolutely necessary that you like it when he takes charge. It's more about conditioning than programming.

When he's more dominant be extra affectionate

[–]hisangelforever14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thankyou I do try - we are an extremely affectionate couple. I have told him I like it when he takes charge and I’ve also responded very enthusiastically when he says dominant thinks but then he kind of realises what he’s doing and goes backwards again.

[–]stevierose789[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you have a man who tells you he wants you to look across at him instead of up to him, he is telling you he wants you as a capable partner, one who can handle responsibility and is dependable. He is telling you that he does not want to be responsible for things that you should be responsible in accomplishing. To me this is dominant behavior because he has expections that he feels you should meet.

He says other things like he wants a normal adult relationship.

To me submission is a normal adult realtionship. I am not talking about submission in D/s perspective, just a vanilla bedroom. I am talking about a natural flow of cooperation when a woman trusts a man to lead and he takes the reins. Some men are not ready to take up the reins for a long time and it isn't fair to ask them to until they can handle the extra weight.

[–]linkinway[🍰] 13 points14 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

the problem of dating market today — male feminists.

[–]stevierose789[S] 20 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This comment was not directed to me, but I am going to respond anyway. The problem of the dating market today is not male feminists. It is males who were raised by feminists. Males who never had an example of acting like a man. Males who think that they are men and dominant because they get a hard dick and can toss their women around the bedroom.

[–]Sparkeliez5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There are actual male feminists out here too. They are easier to spot and run like heck from.

[–]stevierose789[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I would recognize a male feminist if I ran smack into one.
Could you give me some general characteristics?

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nonconfrontational, ambiguous, virtue-signaling, passive, orbiting, impotent, non-masculine, yes-men.

[–]Sparkeliez0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They spout the same hateful rhetoric that female feminists do. I don't even know if they actually even really believe it or if they do just in an effort to get laid.

The best way to pick them out is to just listen for the target cult words like "wage gap", "mansplaining", pretty much anything that puts men down.

Guess that's the main thing. Just look for a man who puts being a man down. You've got a male feminist.

[–]wintry-windy0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would say just asks his Facebook and see the posts, listen the jokes he do, the overall lifestyle. For example: jokes about all men being sexual criminals or (worst) really believing he's in some kind of debt with all women and it's the scumbag of society

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I've experienced first hand on two separate occasions men who apologized for their gender / being male. They would both call themselves 'feminist' or 'allies'.

[–]wintry-windy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like what defines your character is some unchangeable genes and not your actions

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to intersectionality.

[–]hisangelforever1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He was raised by his mother mainly yes.. both his grandfathers were nearby but not sure how influential they were! His mother calls him pretty much everyday and asks him for help with a lot of things, he can get pretty cheeky to her and angry if she gets disrespectful

[–]FreyjaOvAsgard3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately i find that's like 90% of my dating opinions and really beta guys that don't have the take charge aditude I've longed for and admire so much.

[–]hisangelforever1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is he is not a beta male in general, he is dominant and masculine in every area of life apart from bedroom and sometimes relationship but even then he can be

[–]loneliness-inc1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What incentive do you provide for them to take charge?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Some men have a strong character that exists independent of women and their "incentives". My husband, and every man I've seriously dated, have had a masculine, take-charge attitude regardless of the women in their lives.

RPW aren't looking for the kind of man who's so easily swayed by the presence and validation of some girl.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Right. There were times early in our relationship when I fought against my husbands judgment. Against an argumentative girlfriend he would usually tell me 'this is what I'm doing' and I could follow or leave. The idea that I needed to give him a reason to lead is laughable. All I had to do was get out of my own way. With or without me, he had his path.

If a woman has a masculine man then she can get out of the way and allow him to lead. If she has a true 'egalitarian above all' then it is simply too far out of his nature. It's one thing to encourage a husband towards leadership because the commitment is already made. It's less worthwhile to change the nature of a dating prospect.

Let's not forget that TRP exists because enough men do not know how to 'man' anymore. Women can't make men be men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I don't understand this whole "men are a blank slate until formed by a woman" argument. I mean, I get it, some "men" are like that, but not one I'd recommend any of the women here go for.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The blank slate argument is commonly used by Feminists who are influenced by Marxism (which is most of them). It posits that men and women have no inherent characteristics, they are tabula rasa. They are interchangeable cogs, and can be shaped by society at will. Men can be women, women can be men, anybody can do any job, etc. It is a rejection of reality in favor of blanket unworkable utilitarianism. It's why they see ANY form of disparate outcome as discrimination, because the inputs (due to tabula rasa) must be equal, right? Yeah, no.

Funny thing about this: it favors transgenderism by wholly ignoring/throwing away the "they were born that way" reality of homosexuality. Boggles the mind.

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Yes I'm aware of that usage of "blank slate", but it's not what I was getting at. Loneliness was implying that a man is only what a woman makes him, with no internal character, and I was disagreeing with that.

[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

These might be helpful.

Leaders and followers part 1.

Leaders and followers part 2.

[–]hisangelforever0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The link for part two isn’t working Thankyou :)

[–]heromen91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am a man and reading this changed me wonderful never saw it as gift i appricate now

[–]wintry-windy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's weird to think about it, but when I was a teenager I would never want to be submissive to anyone because I was abused mentally by my family so I believed that if someone took control of me this person would immediately abuse me. But now I'm dating this amazing guy who made me want to be submissive and serve him voluntarily, because he does so much for me and I feel the happier person in the world trusting him

[–]stevierose789[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The key word here is trust. Just make sure your trust is not based on just your feelings, but is based on his actions. I am happy for you.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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