The existence of all red pill ideology highlights one big issue: Why do we tell people looks/money/personality type doesn't matter when it does?

ezer_kenegdo · 2021-04-26T13:27:58+00:00

I read this a long time ago and it's always stayed with me. It's because people aren't perfect and change is hard and the reality of it is harsh. It takes away your control so you can be the victim. If only the fates hadn't made me fat/slow/boring/lazy...people are selfish if they can't accept the way I am! That's a coping method and takes a long time for people to get out from that mentality.

MuttonDressedAsGoose · 2021-04-26T15:00:20+00:00

While what you say is true, there are a lot of ordinary people - "5's" if you will - who are leading happy lives. I know plain women who are madly in love with their devoted husbands, have lots of friends and do work they enjoy, etc.

I think it's down to your mindset.

timissick · 2021-04-26T13:44:06+00:00

Everyone is dealt a hand. And everyone gets to pick how they will live with that hand. OF COURSE it's best to be born tall and rich and handsome. But so what. I know plenty of very happy folks who were delt a less than ideal hand and live SUPER happy lives. They picked a profession that suited them and found a partner that suited them and they are laughing their way through life.

marlenemermaid · 2021-04-26T15:41:43+00:00

But women know that their looks matter since their birth...? Maybe it’s my experience but my family would always point out every single flaw in my appearance since I was a little girl and they were brutally honest about it. Yes, it did hurt me for a while but it gave me motivation to self-improve. I am sorry but I think these redpill men were coddled by their families too much and then they were hit with realization that they are not as amazing and as attractive as they were told.

2021-04-26T18:09:18+00:00

Women who are young and beautiful are rewarded. Men who are rich and powerful are rewarded.

This is why we shame rich old men going for young girls. And how men shame women wanting security. Calling us gold diggers and such.

CountTheBees · 2021-04-26T22:53:18+00:00

The alternative to this system would be everyone being the same, and I don't want that either. From a survival point of view, it's also a terrible strategy - because if everyone was the same, then one natural disaster and everyone would be dead.

I've seen average people having very beautiful but unglamorous lives. I've also seen people that seemed to be dealt good cards (e.g. super intelligent) completely fail at anything social. It seems being mediocre at everything gets you the farthest.

The biggest cause of pain in this world is child abuse, handed down from parent to child in an almost never ending loop. I find this is what makes the difference for a happy life - not money or looks, but how well you were treated by your parents. Because it sets up everything else - your boundaries, your mate selection, your temperament, your self esteem, your relationship with your own children, etc.

An average looking person with average skills but a good childhood will be a lot more fulfilled than an attractive woman or a wealthy man with bad childhoods. See: Adverse Child Experiences study.

A good childhood is the single greatest gift you can give someone. So in terms of making the world a better place, that's a great place to start.

LateralThinker13 · 2021-04-26T17:13:16+00:00

It all just seems like one big sick evolutionary game.

It's not sick. Evolution is amoral. It doesn't care about what is good or bad, right or wrong, it just cares about what works. The better it works, the more it's likely to be passed on.

Being bitter about this is like being bitter at entropy. And about as boneheadedly pointless.

Men cannot be themselves. Women cannot be themselves. People cannot be themselves, it is not advantageous to do so.

Bullshit. Be yourself; just be the best version of yourself you can be. Born ugly? Wear attractive clothes and learn makeup or get surgery. Born poor? Work hard, work smart, earn cash. Etc. And those efforts will not only pay off in their results, but in their making you more capable and adaptable along the way.

Instead of being jealous that some people have a natural advantage (high IQ, good genes, stunning easy beauty, money, whatever) realize that most of your life hinges on what you do with what you have, NOT where you start from. Plenty of millionaires become paupers; plenty of trust fund babies too. And plenty of gorgeous teen girls end up as trailer trash.

It's all on you what you do with it. It's always just on you.

Keoni989 · 2021-04-26T16:39:59+00:00

Great post. The key point I think is choice. You can choose to play the game (even if you know it's all BS) or deal with the consequences of staying on the sidelines.

Yes, human nature is very unforgiving.

2021-04-27T09:24:01+00:00

It’s the whole equity vs equality thing. We know we’re not equal, but everyone has an equitable chance to give it their best shot.

Game (for men or for women) isn’t about changing who you are. It’s about getting in tune with who you REALLY were all along before society corrupted you with all your traumas and failures and insecurities

GullibleAirport732 · 2021-04-26T13:40:47+00:00

I'm a 22M Muslim guy, I don't know if I'm even allowed to comment here, but still. For me, my religion is the biggest way to cope with this reality. The fact that there is life after death, and whatever I have in this life was pre destined for me by Allah. I'm 5'2. I really used to beat myself over this. I guess I still do. But now that I accept it as Allah's will, it's more bearable.

Whisper · 2021-04-26T16:10:57+00:00

So, what is the point of all this? I am not sure, I am just thinking.

You're thinking out loud. Thinking out loud is how I stopped being just some guy and became Whisper.

Though I don't really love that this is the way the world works, I am fully aware that this is a system I CHOOSE to participate in, one that I will be a part of for the rest of my life.

The red pill is the simple realization that What I want to be true and what actually is true have no relationship to each other.

I'm not sure how I will ever tell my children that this is the way the world works

The choice you have is whether you wish to prepare them for life as best you can, or whether you are selfish enough to sabotage them merely to avoid the momentary discomfort of giving them bad news.

deadbegonia · 2021-04-26T16:24:44+00:00

A really big part of 'rich, handsome, friendly' is do-able, even if you are not born in that category. Goes for everyone - men and women, everything in-between. You have to recognise where you are in your life (country with poor economy, toxic family, unhealthy habits) and work your way out of that personal hell. You have to invest time in figuring out the game.

Here is my take on women: Many women (I'd like to say most, actually) are not natural-born wide-hipped, plump-lipped Venuses with money falling out of their pockets, living in an economy where they can snap their fingers for instant financial independence. But that is what makes one successful: every step and risk they took to get up and get themselves out of there.

I think that the effort gets more praise than the success. How often do you recognise with admiration that one girl's perfect body and expensive bag? And how often do we admire that one badass female colleague who has the discipline to get up at 6AM for a morning workout and a full-time education/job/family?

Latter_Ad_6840 · 2021-04-27T14:24:21+00:00

There is just a lot of insecurity around the entire thing. People tend to walk on eggshells to avoid hurting peoples feelings. But there is also some form of "honesty" that is just people being assholes. There are also people who have too many responsibilities or bad luck to do too much about their SMV and they deserve to live their life without feeling bad about themselves and people picking at flaws they likely know they have.

The thing is at some point you have to decide, especially as a woman, at a certain point you pick a husband, settle down, and become secondary in your own life. You won't have time to care for your appearance, hobbies, career, etc, as before and your SMV will stay where it is then plummet. Womens value is front-loaded to brace for that.

A lot of people are just angry about the changes in society too, income and assets matter more for women than they ever did, they may not be the deciding factor but a lot of HVM want and need a financially stable women to meet their life goals, older women are having an easier time than they ever did and LVM are the ones who are losing out on women who would otherwise be dependent on them and would have to turn their chips in instead of working on themselves and yielding a high quality mate down the line. Obviously youth is still valuable but not as much as it once was. There is a LOT of hamstering around this by men in ppd. This is a huge structural change in society.

LilaDuter · 2021-04-26T13:58:57+00:00

Some more thoughts: while all the "good traits" mentioned in the post can make certain aspects of life easier, these people can often be surrounded by others who don't seek genuine relationship connections with them, and are only after what they can offer. It can be hard for them to find friends/lovers in that respect. I think this important to highlight that fact and I wish I mentioned that in my original post. It's not all necessarily sun shine and rainbows for them.

HappilyMrs · 2021-04-27T12:39:57+00:00

Because if we were honest, people would stop trying and just give up hope. I think it's also partly why religion has been so widespread in human history, the idea that no matter how crappy things are, it can still be okay in the end

ABCC11-TT · 2021-07-04T10:05:07+00:00

You say you don't love the way the world works, but I think it is better for your mental health if you focus on the bright side of evolution and embrace it.

Truth isn't harsh. Lies are. Embrace truth because it helps you understand the world and succeed. Don't call the evolutionary game sick. Evolution is the reason why you are not full of diseases and sick to death right now. Evolution is the reason you have the consciousness to say anything about evolution at all.

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Title	The existence of all red pill ideology highlights one big issue: Why do we tell people looks/money/personality type doesn't matter when it does?
Author	LilaDuter
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Date	April 26, 2021 12:59 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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