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What is a RPW way to deal with an adulterous husband?

August 24, 2020
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Last week, I walked in on my husband with another woman. I suspected emotional infidelity, such as talking to other women via dating apps, which is also wrong, and goes against our shared Christian beliefs. He is sorry he was caught, and also admitted this was not the first time it has happened since we have been married. He's got a background in military intelligence and working undercover, and I think he only admitted to other affairs out of a moment of shock and weakness that I literally caught him in the act of having sex with another women.

He stated that my "liberal" and "Satanic" ideas and argumentative nature are partially the cause of his affairs. My ideas such as equal pay for equal work and the right for women to vote even if we don't serve in the military, are problematic, for example. Our lack of sex contributed, too, he said, though this is complicated by some physiological limitations when I started treatment for stage IV breast cancer 14 months ago. (I have a good prognosis after 38 rounds of chemo, and am likely to live another 10-30 years, though will require treatment indefinitely. I can begin procedures to address my physical issues in a few weeks, until then, p-in-v intercourse is not possible.)

That I am often tired after working a full-time job outside the home, and have trouble maintaining our large house and doing all of the cooking and cleaning, is a problem as well. I am the primary earner, and bring home 90% of our household income and it's my job that provides our medical benefits. I am a professional historian, and was for many years before we met, too. It's not easy to get a part time job with good benefits with my niche specialty, but we also could not live on his VA disability pension and keep our current home, either. My husband believes I should cheerfully take care of all the cooking, domestic chores, and cleaning. He feels that since the most arduous part of cancer treatment is over, that I should be able to go back to what I used to do prior to getting diagnosed. I want to do these things, but many nights I am physically tired, and he acts put off when I ask for any help. He refuses to let me hire someone to help clean our house or help with our yard (it's 2,400 sq ft on 2.5 acres).

In addition to my professional life as a historian, I'm also working on my doctorate. He resents this, as he says it takes time away from helping him grow his business. I began grad school part time before we met, and have been working on it part time. He thinks my idea of working in academia as a professor is also Satanic, because universities are liberal and filled with SJW nonsense. Upon completing my PhD, my goal was to adjunct one class a semester every so often, but mostly write and do research and publish. I've never super wanted to be a professor as a full time gig. He knows this, but still thinks the whole system is crap, filled with liberal "demonic" ideas and people.

As I have not agreed to either a polyamorous marriage or to be a lifestyle submissive (in a D/s and/or BDSM way) are things he says undermine his masculinity, also contributing to the affairs. He likely also has an addiction to pornography. His assessment of things is that he is how he is, and is not geared towards monogamy, even if I was his sexual submissive, and did everything he wanted. He seems to be focused on the verses in the Bible that discuss ancient Israelites having multiple wives as his justification, and the big problem is that I won't agree to let him marry another woman, too.

Before anyone says, "OMG, Lady, you are too insane for words for staying in this relationship," please know that many of this information only came out this weekend, and these more extreme viewpoints and behaviors only over the past few months (since late April 2020-ish). Our years leading up to this did not feel like an episode of the Jerry Springer show. He used to be kind, devoted, and so nice to me. We used to have dynamic intellectual conversations and fun together. I'm not a masochist and would not have married someone who was so bonkers and adulterous had I known any of this stuff. He used to be convicted in Christianity, and discussed wanting to take coursework in Hebrew and advanced theology; moreso for edification than to be a preacher as a vocation.

I am not sure the best way to go forward as a RPW. It's possible he's gaslighting me and I married a sociopath. He insists nothing is wrong with him, and that he subverted his desires to make me happy but it made him depressed, so now I need to change: I need to be more politically conservative, be a better homemaker, and yet open to him dating other women. It's possible I'm too far into the mix of things to see the situation objectively. Is there any advice I can get from this community?

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Title What is a RPW way to deal with an adulterous husband?
Author the-food-historian
Upvotes 105
Comments 95
Date August 24, 2020 5:20 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 257 points258 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

RPW/having traditional values does not mean you have to be a doormat. Walk. Sometimes being alone actually is better. I speak from experience and...

It's possible he's gaslighting me and I married a sociopath.

... this is one of those times.

My husband is politically conservative. He still respects my right to vote. I'm not sure what your husband would be considered and I'm not allowed to offer my guesses, per sub rules, but it's not conservative

[–]the-food-historian[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your reply. I am grateful for an outside-looking-in viewpoint on things.

It reminds me of the one Whitney Houston lyrics: "I'd rather be alone than unhappy." That may indeed be the path I need to take.

[–]Ebenholz95207 points208 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just...what.

He wants you to be submissive and do all the housework and let him have multiple wives so as not to undermine his masuclinity...meanwhile you're earning 90% of the shared income? That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

He can't even afford to have multiple wives. What, does he expect you to bankroll his adultery as well?

Btw if it weren't for equal pay for equal work he wouldn't have a wife earning 90% of the shared income and paying for him 🙃

[–]the-food-historian[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much for a candid and humorous reply!

It's like I literally fell into the Twilight Zone. I've helped him with his business and know it's not going to make millions, but he seemed to enjoy it. I like my job, so didn't think anything of it. Even if it was not strictly traditional, I was okay with it. I didn't care if I was earning more money if he wasn't messing around behind my back. He has a small business and I thought he was working hard at it, though likely a part of that time was chatting with other women under the guise of "work" correspondence and actually spending time having sex with them. I am morbidly curious about what he would have done if I hadn't gotten a spidey-sense that something was up and walked in the house 7 hours earlier than usual.

I appreciate your comment.

[–]Asteroria125 points126 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

WHY can't you leave him? Surely, downsizing to a smaller home would mean fewer chores, and not having to deal with a sociopath would reduce stress. You're lucky that you're educated with a stable job - what exactly is holding you back?

[–]the-food-historian[S] 75 points76 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for making me laugh out loud. Yes, I imagine that a smaller house and the distinct absence of a husband who cheats would make my life a lot easier.

I have certainly considered it. I may spend time this week looking for job openings elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hire an attorney NOW.

[–]AnarchoNAP88 points89 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

He is demanding traditional masculine benefits, and then some, while not fulfilling traditional masculine roles. There probably ARE guys that could pull off having multiple wives, such as the literal kings in that Bible. An unemployed layabout who has his wife as the primary earner is not one of them.

He wants you to be the primary earner, but gets jealous of your schooling. He wants you to work full time, but wants a traditional wife. He has traditional political beliefs, but has gone and unequally yoked himself- you were in academia when he met you.

He needs a reality check. If this has gone on for some time and he isn’t listening to reason your options are to leave or just drop one of the roles.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I appreciate the perspective.

He would be thrilled if I dropped the doctorate, or at the very least, focused on a dissertation topic that I could do from work (if it relates to my job, my boss is totally thrilled I would do a dissertation topic that overlapped). If I hadn't walked in on him having unprotected sex with another woman, it was honestly a conversation I was willing to have. Because my health could limit my income and working potential, like in a mobility sort of way, I am hesitant to give up on something that could allow me to teach online, should I need it.

Until he's making at least $100k a year without benefits, or $75k a year with benefits, I can't quit my job. My cancer treatments without insurance would have cost over a million dollars -- as it is, the insurance gets a "bulk discount" on it and has paid out over $600,000. I'm 38, so it's weird AF that I got an elderly lady variety of breast cancer, but also weird AF that I responded exactly as hoped to all the treatment.

I am afraid that leaving is not out of the question.

[–]AnarchoNAP35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He would be thrilled if I dropped the doctorate, or at the very least, focused on a dissertation topic that I could do from work

That's not how it works. I would be thrilled if my house cleaned itself. My husband would be thrilled if his clients kept paying him without demanding work. Your husband would be thrilled if you continued to be the primary earner and had less work to do. You either are in charge of procuring income or you aren't. He doesn't get to have you as the primary earner then bitch about the way that you go about it or that it takes time away from you being at home.

[–]Killertofuuuuuuuuuu6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you in the US? You should have an out of pocket maximum for the cancer treatments, right? Just make sure that doesn't hold you back. If you tell me what state you are in in a PM I can help navigate you.

[–]selfishcoffeebean2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everything else aside (which I also think you should RUN), you should talk to your doctor about your husbands unprotected sex. Your chemo-weakened immune system won’t handle an STI well. And clearly your husband has a reckless disregard for your safety.

[–]MQCC29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How dare he expect submission from you when you bring in 90% of the income. He doesn’t have much, but he does have the audacity! Please leave him sis and take care of yourself. Being submissive does not mean being played. Submission is for a man that deserves it!

[–]the-food-historian[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He doesn’t have much, but he does have the audacity!

This made me laugh. Thank you for this comment.

[–]MQCC4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad you smiled ❤️🤣

[–]ughifeellikealoser21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Please, please leave...get your affairs in order and file for divorce ASAP. This man is dead weight pulling you down from your happiness and success for his own benefit, and that’s BEFORE the cheating and the total lack of support/care for your health and recovery. I hope this is fake because it’s disgusting to imagine an actual person seriously holding these views and exhibiting this behavior, but on the off chance that it’s not, you are a glorified saint for what you’ve already been through and you have been through enough. Cut your losses and move on. No level of temporary pain/loss from the breakup can be as bad as a lifetime of emotional abuse, manipulation, and gaslighting that this dude is putting you through, it’s sick. In no way is he delivering on his role as your husband and is doing nothing but TAKE from you emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually - he does not deserve one more drop of your care or consideration, you have not gotten any of his in return for what sounds like quite a long time. This is not something to apply RPW principles to, your effort to be a good wife/woman is wasted on someone who is 100% selfish and frankly does not GAF about you or your needs, wants, or even your health. The only thing he seems to care about with regard to you, is what he can get out of you/what’s in it for him. If this is real, I am so, so sorry for what you’re going through and I sincerely hope you are able to move forward and find peace and comfort in your life. You seem like a wonderful person with a ton to offer, and there are many potential partners out there who will find fulfillment in reciprocating the love, support, and fidelity that you bring to the relationship - those characteristics should not just be one-sided.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the compliments and the perspective. I was being an absolute idiot and really looking at myself from HIS perspective, but not necessarily the perspective of anyone else. Theologically, I believe we are all sinners who can be redeemed and God sees us differently than humankind, but that's my philosophical/religious bent on things, which is also not how my husband has been seeing me, but rather someone who gets in his way and derails his progress.

I am an intense person, which isn't everyone's cup of tea, but even if it's true, you don't need to break the cup. Despite my age and possibly soon-to-be-divorced status, I don't think I'm a low value woman. Even with my weird regrowing in chemo hair and metabolism of an 80 year old, I have a ton to offer. I used to run a catering company and was a wedding planner; I've got only the mortgage left as my debt (which OMFGodzilla thankfully is entirely in my name as I owned it before we married); I speak multiple languages; I am an amazing cook; I was an opera singer for a while; I literally use my BA in history and make a decent living; I worked as a faculty assistant in a Biophysics lab; I volunteered on organic farms in Japan on and off for almost a decade; I will rescue any animal from any crap situation and help TNR local cats.... I'm high-octane AF even after cancer, but I still love the idea of being a great wife and supporting a worthy Captain.

You may very well be correct that my husband is not that Captain. And I think you're right that my husband has been taking too much from me, especially in light of the recent proverbial bomb-dropping about infidelity.

Thank you for helping me see things in a different light. That means a lot, and I am grateful for the kindness.

[–]JoyfullMommy0064 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my goodness! You are amazing!! I honestly wish I had more helpful advice to offer but I don't. Only to say that, as a fellow Christian woman, I feel very moved by your post and will definitely be praying for you. Please keep us updated on how you are doing. You have accomplished SO much in your 38 years and walked such an amazing journey, I bet you'll end up taking all that strength and intelligence and turning this unexpected and horrible situation into a riveting testimony! ❤️

[–]foxfaebae4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound like you have accomplished so much! This man has really brought you down in my perspective. He should be building you up, not tearing you down like what I have read. I hope the best for you

[–]Ratchets-N-Wrenches59 points60 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn't even finish reading this, got about halfway through and ended up at this conclusion

A) this is a troll post, hard to believe it's not

B) your husband doesn't want a partner, or a red pill life, he wants a mommy. There are so many things that blow me away here, you are the breadwinner, have cancer and do everything in the house and he's doing this? Sounds like he's going full Rambo.

Either way he's crazy for all of this and you're crazy for staying.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 34 points35 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for the reply. I wish this WAS a troll post. My life literally came crashing down around me this weekend. I live in a teeny tiny town without many female friends nearby, but I've enjoyed this subreddit, so reach out here for advice. I think leaving is likely my option, but I need to get a few things legally and financially in order before I do.

Edit: deleted a word, fixed the intended meaning

[–]helluvamom14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I often get annoyed with Reddit because so many commenters say “leave” at the tiniest of infractions. This is not one of those. You have every red flag waving right in your face. Please respect yourself more than this and leave. If you need to get your shit in order first, do it. Play the nice game and smile and act cool if you have to, but get a lawyer and get yourself together. NO ONE deserves this. I’m 41, been married for 20 years and my life also came crashing down around me, completely out of the blue 2 weeks ago today. I practiced what I preach. Except I didn’t leave, I kicked mine out. I 100% understand the intricacies involved in ending a marriage. And I’m so sorry this happened. But if you are able to do all you’ve done while fighting cancer, you can certainly do it without this douche holding you back. This guy is...whoa. I can’t even believe the nerve he has to say this stuff to you. Go! Run! It’s time.

[–]melissasue2247711 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I initially thought this was a troll post as well, but profile checks out. Ive had an immense amount of bad luck thrown at me in my life, but not the whole box of crazy that life just dumped in your lap all at once. Im so sorry you're in this situation.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was once on a flight from New York City to Tokyo, and the plane had to turn around when we were halfway there -- over the Aleutian Islands! -- because a volcano erupted and was spewing ash in the air which could cause the plane's engines to die out. It wound up being a 15 hour flight from Gate C-170 to Gate C-21 at the same airport. I then spent another 15 hours the following day, once the volcano subsided, actually flying to Tokyo.

My life got "derailed by a volcano weird" this weekend for sure!

[–]iceqick6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wishing this is a troll post. Not sure how one is able to articulate this garbage without punching themself in the face midway. What a leech

[–]kneesofthetrees15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m far from feminist and I know most ladies here are too, but come on, anyone who believes that grown adults, who take part in the workforce and are affected by political happenings, should not even have the OPTION to vote is frightening, frankly.

He seems to want the traditional woman without being a traditional man himself. If he cannot be a traditional man (you mention disability and I’m sympathetic to that) then he should accept that your relationship cannot fall into perfect traditional roles and he should step up to do what he can at home. However, I think that save for the severely disabled, men who have a drive to be traditional providers will find ways to work and make money despite physical limits.

Your husband appears to want to lounge about like an emperor with a harem of concubines to service him sexually while you service him financially and domestically. I don’t see how you could incite a change in him that would make this relationship worthwhile. Respect is foundational.

[–]perkysue11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Move him or you into a second bedroom.

Get tested for venereal diseases.

Stop doing anything for him...cooking, etc.

Take a month to decide what’s next.

[–]Ragingdollface11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He doesn't sound like much of a partner let alone a Captain. The fact that you are making 90% of the income and he expects you to take up 100% of the housecare, while having gone through cancer treatment and that sort of trauma is just insane.

Throw the cheating on top of that mess and the blame shifting.. no ma'am. Please let him go. I promise you, you will feel so much lighter and happier for it. And he can bring his wants for poly or infidelity and BDSM elsewhere, while you get a much needed break from his nonsense. It's practically a win-win.

[–]MHcomp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my thoughts exactly. this man has shown himself to be the world’s worst partner. Relying on OP financially and emotionally while she is sick and getting a phd and doing all the housework and also cheating on her?? What a horrible man

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You do not need to be open to him seeing other women. You have the right to have your boundaries respected. The fact that he likes to twist your views into reasons he has cheated on you is a red flag and is the definition of gaslighting.

According to Fascinating Womanhood, yes, you shouldn't be too strong-headed or work so hard in your career that your relationship falls apart. HOWEVER, she says the two things you should always expect from your man is FINANCIAL SUPPORT and FIDELITY. Both of which, he gives none of. Perhaps the reason you are having trouble fulfilling your feminine role is because you're too busy being his mom.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your insight and comment.

I am not sure who to attribute this quote to, but I read recently, "When you look at someone through rose-colored glasses all the red flags just look like flags."

The idea of being his mom is a weird notion. His mother is a bad person, and my husband was raised by his grandmother, who was one of the kindest, most wonderful people I've ever met. His grandmother, though, worked her whole life until she retired, so it's not like he's unfamiliar with women having jobs.

I like the idea of that book, though! I appreciate the recommendation.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The reason I suggested you were acting like his mom is because you clean the house and you pay the bills, which is taking care of him.

What about his father? Was he providing for his family?

Personally, I think the book is a little dated in saying women shouldn't have jobs. Especially if you love what you do and don't have children. However, as a career woman it become harder to find a man who can match your drive and success, or, at least, not feel threatened by it (which your husband seems to feel).

[–]the-food-historian[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My husband never met his father, as his mother divorced his father while pregnant so she could live some weird Mary Tyler Moore single career woman fantasy.

We don't have children. I got diagnosed with cancer shortly before we were going to start trying, and now I am unable to have any. I was supposed to deploy to Kuwait for my job for a 16-week tour. As soon as I returned, my doctor was going to put me on fertility treatments since I'd be 38 by then. A week before the deployment, I was getting a biopsy for what my primary care physician thought was an infection, and during the biopsy the doctor performing the procedure said, "I think this is cancer, you can't deploy, and we'll get you in touch with a surgeon and oncologist." Turned out to be stage IV from the get-go.

I did not think that my husband felt threatened by my job. He often downplayed it, but perhaps did so out of ego.

[–]icanbingsu7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“My husband never met his father, as his mother divorced his father while pregnant so she could live some weird Mary Tyler Moore single career woman fantasy.”

^ This is why he is opposed to you working outside of the home. He needs therapy.

Why worry about being a rpw for a man who is clearly not a captain? It seems like you already know why you should leave. This man is breaking down and is not likely to change. It seems like his behavior is an excuse to get out of the relationship but in a childish way. If you bring up divorce he will likely do everything to hold on but not because he cares but because he is a child who can’t process his feelings. We can all see you deserve better than this. Not to sound harsh, but I’d count your blessings that you didn’t bring a child into the world with him. You pushed through a health crisis basically alone and you’ve made it. All of this should teach you that you deserve better. Keep pushing toward your goals and find someone who can appreciate you.

[–]PreciousMuffn11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ex wife of a former Marine and sex/porn addict who at least OWNED his behaviors... Your husband is trying to make you the bad guy when you aren't. He is deflecting and not coming close to being a Captain in your marriage.

I highly recommend looking into support and resources through COSA, and if you're curious about the addictive cycle of sex/porn addicts and how you play a role as well, read "Out of the Shadows" by Patrick Carnes. I thought the whole premise was a joke until I started reading my life in a book. It jolted me into a place to start dealing with my situation productively rather than sweeping things under the rug or spiraling into helplessness.

I actually reconciled with my ex husband and we made it another 6ish years before he fell back into old habits and crossed my boundaries. But as I stated above, his actions were VERY different from that of your husband's. You are hardly satanic. If anything, he is for violating your marriage vows numerous times!

[–]the-food-historian[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for your thoughtful comment and the book recommendation. I am grateful for this perspective, and for how to be able to deal with thing productively and not falling down into a hopeless rabbit hole.

[–]PreciousMuffn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope it gets better...and it will provided you avoid his mind traps. It will just take time and giving yourself the love you need to be strong. You are definitely not alone.

[–]delight29856 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't finish reading this because it's kind of insane but OP- if you really are managing a serious illness, fulltime job, phd, and an adulterous husband...then wow. This is far from my normal thinking on this sub but this random internet stranger thinks you should get rid of the husband and get a dog instead. If you're gonna be picking up after an animal anyway, the unconditional love of a furry four legged companion will be better in the long run.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My husband and I have a dog! His name is Rusty Shackleford and he's a Rhodesian Ridgeback. We also have 6 cats. All are rescues. I am worried about missing them when we break up; I know 4 of the cats will stay with me, but 1 of the cats was his before we met, and he may take another cat and the dog. I love all the animals quite a bit.

I realized while writing (and re-writing) the original post that it was sounding super insane. But it's what my life is. I really do have cancer, a career, a dissertation in the works, and an adulterous husband. I think it's far from everyone's normal thinking! But a week ago, all of these things were true, I just didn't know the truth about the last part. It's sad, because he was my best friend, and I really loved him. A week ago, most of the things I mentioned in the post that he said had yet to be uttered to me. I don't want anything bad to happen to him, and a part of me may love him for a long time after things end. It might have been a lie, but it was my real life for many years. We used to be great partners in life, and if his side was all smoke and mirrors, then it's something I will mourn for a lot of reasons.

I don't want to be an enabler, or a doormat. And while I worry that I may be alone and very sick at the end of my life, I don't want to look back with regret for not standing up for myself either. We will all be alone in the end anyway, I don't want to live a lie for the rest of the time I have left.

[–]delight29851 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I realize I may have sounded a bit facetious in my post, which is not what I intended at all. I really am sorry you are in such a situation. That is a level of betrayal most of us will be lucky to never know. Hold on to Rusty Shackleford as tight as he will allow and keep moving forward. And I hope you have family you can turn to as well.

[–]KathrynHogan6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what exactly is he bringing to the relationship/ your life? Besides controlling you, judging you, limiting you, and generally being a piece of shit?

[–]the-food-historian[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Before this weekend, we had a great friendship, and a lot of shared interests. A week ago it was a different outlook for me. Heck, Thursday of last week it was a different outlook for me.

[–]valleycupcake6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a total catch. He sounds like he is unworthy of being a captain. Huge hugs (if you consent) to you my long suffering sister! I think just by writing all this out, you know what you need to do. The Bible gives you your freedom here. Go.

Practically speaking, can you ask him to stay elsewhere for 2 weeks so you have time to think, and meet with a family law attorney to explore your options?

[–]Kantro74 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Evict him and ban him from your home Get tested and make sure you are clean Get a therapist Go from there

[–]the-food-historian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the comment! I already have a therapist who was helping me with my anxiety, so I've got one thing covered. :D

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Find someone who deserves you. I'm a history major so I sympathize with your whole story. You can be a RPW and an academic.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We also live in a part of the country (US) where even the universities are conservative. Thank you for the perspective, fellow historian.

[–]Kykio_kitten4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What. the. fuck.

Ok if this isn't a troll post maybe it's time to start seeing a lawyer and keeping all the evidence of his infidelity and crazy ideas.

Don't tell your husband about it though because man I think either he needs to have some sense smacked into him or you need to get out pronto.

Preferably by kicking him out.

Edit: also stop having sex with him. Full stop.

[–]Flibberdajibbet4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is not a captain. Hes a manipulator that wants a slave.
You can do so much better. He doesnt deserve your grace and kindness. ❤

[–]Svenskamamma2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh sweetie, I am so sorry you’re dealing with this. As others have mentioned, having traditional values is not an invitation to abuse. You do not need to be anything other than you, remember that - you sound amazing.

You can leave this marriage, you’re certainly capable of taking care of yourself until you find a loving respectful partner.

[–]teriyakigirl2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

GIRL. RUN. You saw his true colors. It will only get worse from here. Leave as soon as you possibly can with whatever money you can.

[–]myrpwi_account2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does he have a brain tumor or something? Assuming he doesn't have any medical problems explaining this behavior I think you need to hire a lawyer and divorce this man. He is no captain or leader, it's time to jump ship. Sorry this is happening to you.

[–]gxorgia2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever you decide to do, you need to lawyer up asap and cover yourself, if he is in fact a gaslighting psychopath (and i suspect he is), the damage he may be willing to inflict to soothe his ego and justify his actions could be monstrous. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Keep yours cards to your chest. I wish you luck, and I'm very sorry for your situation. X

[–]waste2muchtime2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate the people on reddit who scream, "Break up" or whatever nonsense at the first instance,

but this is one of those times when you need to get the hell out of that "relationship".

[–]axxxxxxt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been lurking here for a long time and this is the first time I will comment because I'm disgusted by his attitude. I'm a guy and reading this made my blood boil. I wanted to teleport next to him and beat him to a pulp.. that's how trigged I am.

My suggestion is to start making plans for divorce fast. Don't look back. It seems you have made a good life for yourself and deserve to share it with someone who sees your value. You husband doesn't seem to see you as an equal. He seems to want all the advantages of traditional relationship from you while he does not want to make any concessions.

You clean cook and bring income while he fucks multiple women?? Yeah..

He seems spineless and lacks morals masking his egoistical desires behind the Bible. So very convenient..

Divorce him and find yourself a man who will be happy for your achievements, not resent them.

I wish you all the best!

[–]dinasway2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I get that he used to be loving.... but he’s not right now. Do both of you a favor and walk until/unless you can get that back.

[–]lawyercatgirl4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm so sorry for what you're going through. You've mentioned your Christian beliefs several times. I think a Christian response takes precedence over any other response, including RPW. If my husband started engaging in these behaviors, I would alert our church community and ask for help. Are both or either of you church members? There is a reason why church discipline exists, it's for situations like these, for the church community to come together and support someone in your position, emotionally, financially, spiritually. You are not alone! Please don't try and tackle this alone. What about his family? Friends who were at your wedding who support your union? At the very least, a physical separation seems warranted. Let him try and live on his own means and miss your presence and abundant care for the house.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this idea. I hadn't considered going to our church community. We both belong to a small Southern Baptist church in our very small rural town. But with all the Coronapocalypse stuff going on, we haven't attended in person in a long time. We are also roughly 20-40 years younger than most other members. I like these people, but I don't know if I feel close to them. It sounds crappy and uncaring, and I know it's selfish of me.

His family lives 2,000 miles away; mine lives 2,500 miles away. My best friends are scattered across the country, and none are physically nearby.

I believe if I "go public" with this, then my husband will leave, and may do so before I get things legally and financially in order. I owned our house before we got married, and I want to ensure I don't get totally hosed financially before I do anything major.

Before all of this came crashing down, he was supposed to spend some time in Louisiana for work. My thought is to play nice until then, and have him served with papers when he's physically not present. That seems so cowardly, though, and I don't fear for my health or safety to give him divorce papers in person.

[–]JadedByEntropy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You serving papers while he's away is the safest. You may feel safe, but he already thinks he owns you. Once that dominant feeling is shattered he might try to hurt you or property/animals. You did not believe he was cheating until you saw it and im glad you believe your own eyes. Dont give him the chance to do harm. Protect yourself in every way possible.

[–]valleycupcake2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You may have to buy out any contributions he made to the house, but won’t it be worth it?

[–]timeforstretchpants1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to stay with your church, it might be a good idea to approach a pastor or elder and lay out what's going on. You don't need to tell the whole church community. The leadership might be able to help (by connecting you with resources, helping pay for counseling, or even just listening).

[–]teaandtalk5 Stars1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're not ready to leave him right now, that's okay. This has happened quickly.

But you need some space. Can you move in with family, or to a friend's spare bedroom? (Consult a lawyer first, and let them know this plan). Don't tell him about it, arrange it on the sly and enact it when he's not around.

Get some space. Take some time. Take care of you, and let this all sink in. And get tested. You don't have to make a decision right away.

[–]Killertofuuuuuuuuuu1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi lady. I honestly thought this was just a made up story because it hit so many ridiculous points, but when you said this is a more recent thing I thought, maybe mental illness?

But really, if you have Christian values, and he seems to not, you need to dip.

[–]laruzl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the most Christian way I can posible say this:

Dumb. His. Ass.

You are going trough cancer treatment, earns 90% of income and do all domestic chores? Plus he doesn’t help and he was the AUDACITY to cheat on you and say it’s ok? He’s a worm. I don’t usually address man like such but HIM in specifically, he’s a worm that belongs in a trash can. His behavior isn’t “conservative”, it’s downright disgusting. I think he needs a reality check. Maybe you need some time apart to address on what you want to do in a rational way. And you need to have a serious conversation with him and give him a good old reality slap.

[–]clitorophagy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If this preposterous story is true this man is not your leader now and was he ever? It seems like your career/financial and health issues aren’t new.

Of course you don’t have to be open to him dating other women.

If you want to stay with him because his absurd nastiness turns out to be a weird blip, you can choose career plus hired help or homemaker. You can’t do both well, who can? As long as the housework is done it doesn’t matter who does it. If you’d rather professor, fine. If he can’t support you as a homemaker that’s not very red pill.

I don’t see what’s keeping you with him, sounds awful

[–]Poet18691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A few thoughts:

How long have you been together? You said that this behavior is recent, since April/May of this year.

You also said that, before this his behavior was totally different.

If you have years of track record without this kind of behavior, that opens up more possibilities than say a year or two.

If you have been together for years then It could be that, the stress of your medical conditions, and Covid have caused your husband to have a mental break. That is more likely than true sociopaths or psychopaths, two conditions that cannot be hidden for long periods of time. And if that's the case, then you have a lot of decisions. Is he willing to work on his mental health? Are you willing to give him the chance?

If you are fairly new in the relationship, (say under two years? That's not a hard and fast number though), you probably are getting garlic, and are seeing his "true" self. If that's the case. I think your decision is much easier.

[–]WillDonJay1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's 100% gas lighting you and making his personal sins your responsibility. You were handed a get out of jail free card when you walked in on him, take it.

Discourse is useless, he'll just twist words around until you feel like you're going crazy or can't remember things properly.

OT, woman were treated like property and men had multiple wives. OT, they also sacrificed goats regularly and never wore mixed fabrics. You know he's picking and choosing verses to justify his sins, let me validate you in that being the case. Even the devil quotes scripture.

Talk to your pastor. Ask for advice about your husbands newfound religious convictions. Your spouse will get really angry about that, information you share with others means that he loses control of the narrative. He knows the lies he's been telling you won't hold up in the light. The truth will set you free.

The RPW thing to do about this situation is to value and respect yourself. That means the parasite goes, and you continue to better yourself.

[–]lavachequirie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Adultery can definitely be dealt with in a relationship... stuff happens, people make bad decisions, life gets hard, etc. Whether it’s drinking, drugs, cheating, whatever, people make mistakes.

That being said. Cheating sounds like the least of your issues. A good Christian man would not betray his wife while she was sick. He would happily take up chores or hire help until she fully recovered, and maybe it would be a permanent lifestyle change. You bring in 90% of the income, he should no say in hiring help if you want to. So, not only does he treat you like crap, he’s also blamed you for it. I’d absolutely walk away from that situation if I were you. Being alone is better than being with someone who treats you poorly during a battle with cancer

[–]cebollofor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You provide 90% of the income, clean the house, doing a masters, and in treatment for cancer .... and he says you need to do more because “ the hard part of your treatment is over “ you need to get rid of that monster, a loving husband will be trying to help you seen you struggle whit all the things you are doing, I have a traditional marriage but when I see my wife has really no time to clean, I jump in and help, I mean we are in this together for good or bad.

[–]tinytiril1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He does not sound like the captain you deserve. He seems very insecure and unfair.

[–]cloudsfx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He blames you for his cheating and you’re the one wondering how to fix it? Divorce lawyer.

[–]Darkitz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hes trying to Blame you for bis cheating. Even though you BOTH commited to the relationship. He could have been just straight with you and talk about it. If your liberal and satanic behavior doesnt fit him.

[–]Protestant51081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

if he wants to be in a polyamorous relationship then thats a full stop right there. To be in a polyamorous relationship is literally just a way of saying someone wants to cheat without consequences

“The Pharisees came and asked Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” testing Him. And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her. ” And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:2-9‬ ‭

“They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?” He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:7-9‬ ‭

[–]TheBunk_TB1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you two need each other at all.

You don't have room for him or anything he believes in.

You don't have what he is looking for, almost completely away from what he is looking for.

[–]Shutupmeg31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have much to add that hasn't already been said. We aren't plates to be lied to and cheated on and we don't tolerate men that act this way. He is no captain. He doesn't deserve your submission. Drop him like the dead weight he is and be freeeeee❤️

[–]moonchildcountrygirl1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your husband is masquerading as a high value man. How would you regard someone whose wife works to the bone and is going through chemo, is condescended to, lied to, and cheated on? You should work with a therapist to work on your self confidence, this is not an error by a good man, this is in line with a weak character

[–]TranslatedSky1 Star1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a younger RP woman it scares me a little to read your story, because in your situation, I can imagine myself believing his gaslighting about how the lack of sex, my studying ambitions, and my income are making him feel less masculine. Or at least I would have believed this a year ago.

What I’m learning through painful experience is that while I have steadfast RPW beliefs, there’s a difference in submitting to a misogynistic chauvinist, and someone who leads with taking into account both our needs.

Reading your story, I can see your husband’s bullshit as clear as day. That’s what lesser men do when they’re caught - turn it on you. Please don’t for a second believe it. Those are not the words of someone who respects and values you. If he were truly upset with these things, he would have tried to fix it before it reached a breaking point, like a decent Captain would.

[–]LateralThinker134 Stars1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reacting to your post as I go. I had thoughts just from the title.

What is a RPW way to deal with an adulterous husband?

Simple: if it's a failing you contributed to, you fix it. If it's his, such as a sex/drug addiction or other defect of character, you walk away. Some men will never be Captains.

He stated that my "liberal" and "Satanic" ideas and argumentative nature are partially the cause of his affairs.

A strong difference in beliefs is often a marriage killer in and of itself. But "satanic"? Holy bugnuts Batman. Wow.

That you have PIV issues due to cancer... means he does have unmet needs, but... wow. Still mostly on him.

I am the primary earner, and bring home 90% of our household income and it's my job that provides our medical benefits. I

Wait, hold on. You are primary earner, keep the house, AND everything else? And he's stepping out?

I don't need to read further. DROP HIM. What the hell could he possibly offer you that would make you stay? Where is the balance in this relationship?

He thinks my idea of working in academia as a professor is also Satanic, because universities are liberal and filled with SJW nonsense.

That he flings around Satanic like it's a legit criticism is enough of a red flag. He isn't wrong that the SJW nonsense is toxic as heck, but... wow, Satanic? FFS.

And for a supposed Christian, he's awfully comfortable with actual adultery. SMH.

He likely also has an addiction to pornography.

There's a shock.

he is how he is, and is not geared towards monogamy, even if I was his sexual submissive,

So he has kinks that he didn't negotiate and is salty over it.

please know that many of this information only came out this weekend

Respectfully, this is too many red flags for there to have been no sign of it. You didn't vet hard enough. This guy is a loser in Every. Single. Category. Why would you have ever picked up with him in the first place?

He used to be kind, devoted, and so nice to me. We used to have dynamic intellectual conversations and fun together.

If that's true, he's either a sociopath or has a brain tumor. No joke.

I am not sure the best way to go forward as a RPW. It's possible he's gaslighting me and I married a sociopath. He insists nothing is wrong

That litany of issues, actual multiple transgressions against you, and unwilling/unable to admit he's wrong about anything. GET OUT. There's nothing to save.

EDIT: Also, a) consult a divorce attorney and save all evidence of his nuttery and cheating, and b) get STD tested. And before you say anything, plenty of STDs aren't transmitted just PIV. Go get checked.

[–]cohost32 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this is above our pay grade. Maybe it would seek help from someone who can really get to know you and your wants/needs.

It sounds like you work really hard on the success of you personal and professional life. I really hope you get all the support you need❤️.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of my family are human train wrecks, and I've worked hard to not be that. Within myself, I've got that going for me. I am working with a therapist on my anxiety issues. A lot of the anxiety is side effects from cancer meds, but perhaps subconsciously it was from living with a husband who was lying to be about so many things. We will have many things to discuss at this week's session. Thank you for the comment, and the kind words.

[–]pandora_box-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could he have bipolar disorder and be in the midst of a manic episode?

I have a friend where something similar happened just around the time her husband turned 30. Apparently whenever he was manic he thought he was a prophet & that he should have multiple wives. Medication sorted him out but it took almost 2 years to get to the right dose.

Edit to add: my friend split up from her husband & is happily remarried to a different man now. They share a daughter so they still have to communicate. You don’t have to put up with that behavior. Leaving because you need that peace in your life is totally valid.

[–]simplyelegant870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He’s only causing problems. I would leave. There’s nothing to stick around for

[–]AgentJ6910 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You deserve better. Someone who treats you right.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My guess is you being a higher earner and more successful makes him feel emasculated. Add to the fact that he cant help you being so sick, he is scared and acting out. It is not right and you deserve better. If you want to save the marriage (not sure you can ever trust him) YOU need to lay down the law. First, ask for his phone and passwords. Go through it in front of him before he has a chance to delete stuff.. Documwnt your findings. Record the interacfion. Then make him leave the home for at least a week and go no contact. He will either fuck around on you or come begging back. Have him willingly put Spyware on his phone and get geo tracking like Life360 before he goes. If he is sorry, he will do it no questions asked.

Next, get him to go to counseling for a minimum of 6 months which he pays for. Weekly. If you find so much as a nudie magazine tell him you are gone. Also hire an attorney and start protecting your assets. Get as much proof of infidelity as you can and anticipate the forthcoming divorce. I am so sorry.

If you both truly love one another you can get through this. However with the life you have left, it is your choice how you want to live for that time and what you are willing to put up with. Being a RPW does not mean you have to submit to the follies of men. All it means is holding up your end of the bargain. He doesn't have the "right" to feel "masculine", that is earned.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All of these are solid ideas. I appreciate the thoughtful reply.

[–]duffmanhb0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

WTF?! This has to be a troll.

[–]the-food-historian[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I realize this sounds like a weird soap opera or trolling, but it's totally not. I am a real person and this was my craptacular weekend. I love the RPW community, and have followed much of the advice I've read on here, and thought I could get perspective from other RPW on this.

[–]duffmanhb3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If this is real, I'm so sorry for you. This whole post is nothing but red flags which you are trying to, for some reason you need therapy for, revive. This guy isn't normal. This isn't what a healthy, or even less than healthy, relationship looks like.

Please, stop trying to deal with him. You're the other girl and always will be. He has no respect for you and just likes having some pussy on call living in his house.

[–]WhisperTRP Founder-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The RPW way is not to have your husband cheat on you.

But let's look at how this happened:

He's got a background in military intelligence and working undercover, and I think he only admitted to other affairs out of a moment of shock and weakness that I literally caught him in the act of having sex with another women.

This sets the stage for him to cheat.

  • He has to spend extended periods of time away from you.
  • He is accustomed to thinking of deception as normal.
  • He has to keep a lot of parts of his life secret from you.

Our lack of sex contributed, too, he said, though this is complicated by some physiological limitations when I started treatment for stage IV breast cancer 14 months ago. (I have a good prognosis after 38 rounds of chemo, and am likely to live another 10-30 years, though will require treatment indefinitely. I can begin procedures to address my physical issues in a few weeks, until then, p-in-v intercourse is not possible.)

And now his needs aren't being taken care of.

Two people in a HEALTHY marriage, in this situation, would have dealt with this situation by sitting down and discussing his sexual needs vs. your health and capabilities, and coming to some sort of agreement that they monitored going forward.

But your marriage isn't healthy and never was:

I'm also working on my doctorate. He resents this, as he says it takes time away from helping him grow his business. I began grad school part time before we met, and have been working on it part time. He thinks my idea of working in academia as a professor is also Satanic, because universities are liberal and filled with SJW nonsense...

As I have not agreed to either a polyamorous marriage or to be a lifestyle submissive (in a D/s and/or BDSM way) are things he says undermine his masculinity, also contributing to the affairs... His assessment of things is that he is how he is, and is not geared towards monogamy, even if I was his sexual submissive, and did everything he wanted...

He seems to be focused on the verses in the Bible that discuss ancient Israelites having multiple wives as his justification, and the big problem is that I won't agree to let him marry another woman, too.

You are fundamentally incompatible in your sexual desires and never should have married.

He's kinky, you're not.

And you have been unfair to each other all along by marrying someone who wasn't what you wanted and trying to turn them into the person you wanted.

I don't see a future in this. Not because "hurr durr bad man cheat on totally innocent woman", but because your needs are incompatible and you can't compromise.

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[–]WhisperTRP Founder-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No moralizing. RPW is for actionable advice.

Telling her her husband is "bad" does not help her. It's not something she can do.

"I don't see a future in this" is actionable. Means start getting out.

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[–]WhisperTRP Founder-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still in the form of an "ought".

My take on it is, "make your wish list as detailed as you want, but be up front about it".

Looks like neither of them were. Either that or they were both so dimwitted that they actually thought they could work around this.

Some things on a wish list are negotiable. Others aren't.

Ladies, you cannot shape a man's sexual desires with negotiation. If you are not compatible with him in bed, DO NOT MARRY HIM.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a troll post. And if it's not, it's pretty clear from everything you said so far that you're asking us for reasons to stay.

[–]shitposterkatakuri-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a dude, a lot of his expectations and concerns are salient for a highly competent man who pulls his weight. He does not. If you’re earning 90% of the income, and doing all the chores, and getting cheated on, something is a bit wack, to say the very least. If you’re Christian, you can’t get remarried in good conscience so if you want to have a husband, I’d suggest hella church marriage counseling. Tbh though, you can go on living your life devoted to God without a husband and still be happy and fulfilled. Best of luck :/

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