Why don't men feel protective towards women anymore

oooKenshiooo · 2023-02-09T06:20:14+00:00

Why would a man risk getting stabbed or sucker-punched in a streetfight for a random woman he does not know, because the other said something mean/creepy?

Cat calling may suck, but it‘s not a reason to get in a fight over.

zaftig_stig · 2023-02-09T00:29:47+00:00

They’re born with the natural instinct to protect. But a man can only be attacked so many times, and they switch to protecting themselves.

Garfieldress312 · 2023-02-09T08:05:21+00:00

I've seen and heard quite a few women tell well intentioned men to basically back off or mind their own business during this. Had some men say something similar because they were made to feel foolish for jumping in to defend them in the situation.

SunshineSundress · 2023-02-09T00:04:45+00:00

An unintended consequence of equality is that we lose our “card” as the fairer sex. The fight to convince society that women are mentally and intellectually equal to men (and in the woke-left, even physically equal with the constant messaging of women defeating men in sports and hand-to-hand combat in modern Hollywood movies) has convinced many men to stop caring so much to protect women. We are just like them and more, the women said! A lot of men concluded that if so, there’s no need to continue handle women with safety gloves on, if women are just like themselves and don’t need male guardianship or supervision.

Now women are outnumbering and outperforming men in school and colleges. There is a growing trend for gender inclusion in traditionally male-dominated fields. A lot of men are, in many measures, equal to or below many women today. A lot of them question, why should I protect someone who clearly doesn’t need me, and is arguably even doing better than me?

So now, we are expected to carry the emotional and mental strength to deal with the creepy cat callers or other day-to-day dangers that men face everyday like robbery, workplace danger, and potential gender-inclusive military drafts. Chivalry is slowly but surely disappearing. And while there is still a stigma against committing violence against women (rightfully so), there is far less societal drive amongst men to protect the women who insisted that they could protect themselves.

It’s just the way things are now. IMO, all we can do is whatever we can to inspire our OWN men’s protective instinct for US individually. I’m not even saying that GENDER EQUALITY IS BAD or that THINGS SHOULD GO BACK TO THE WAY THEY USED TO BE. There are clearly pros as well: we get to vote, own property, be our own individual people with our own rights. But there are always consequences to the changes we fight for, and this is one of feminism’s monkey’s paws that a lot of normal women who bought into it didn’t see coming.

SoumarRu · 2023-02-09T00:13:41+00:00

No, feminists said that women are powerful and don’t need men. So they don’t deserve any help. They are able to defend themselves.

TheBananaEater · 2023-02-09T07:09:13+00:00

Because by protecting you we are labeled as a simp, looked down upon by both genders as smn who lives in the movie world, can get knocked out stabbed shot,the woman might not even appreciate it or care, overall many things unless were dating or friends

youllknowwhenitstime · 2023-02-09T00:44:54+00:00

You folks have got to start explaining your cultural background and current community for these questions to make sense.

[EDIT: Just looked at post history. Case in point. If you're talking about India, the answer might not have much to do with the predominantly Western-viewpoint perspectives being given here.]

"Men aren't protective anymore" just isn't true at all in my experience, and I've lived in the city of Seattle - hardly known for its traditional values. Then again, if what some other posters are saying is true and men just know there's no cultural exchange for their protectiveness any more, my viewpoint might be skewed: The way I'm dressed has always looked very conservative and religious, which people respond to. I could be receiving the cultural exchange I'm putting out, basically - conservatism for conservatism.

On the other hand, men only need to be protective because there are predatory men around. The balance will wax and wane some, I'm sure, but there was never a point in history without predatory men. You might be in a neighborhood with low social trust and a bad imbalance.

Helpful-Ad919 · 2023-02-09T08:52:52+00:00

Women killed this.

Flat_Shower · 2023-02-08T23:42:11+00:00

Male opinion - I think the whole concept of white knights is impacting this. You have to realize, if I’m going to disagree with another man in public who is already showing signs of being creepy an aggressive, I have to be willing to put my fists behind it. Last week I told a kid whose skateboard almost hit me “hey be careful” and just about ended up in a physical altercation. Will it turn into a fist fight? Probably not, but when men argue, there is an implied threat of violence. If I don’t know the harasser, and I don’t know you, I’m probably not willing to fight for you. Now if he were making physical advances or threatening your safety, I would step in.

Wife_and_Mama · 2023-02-08T23:56:37+00:00

If you don't respect yourself, other people won't respect you either. Modern feminism really discourages women from respecting themselves and calls it empowerment.

narudoll · 2023-02-10T00:09:42+00:00

i just want to say that, in the places i have personally occupied, i have ALWAYS been grateful for men that have offered or come to my aid. i can think of several times off the top of my head (flat tire, spilled coffee on myself, lost by myself in the city) that men were EXTREMELY helpful to me, without any expectations.

01krazykat · 2023-02-09T23:03:54+00:00

Because there's a mass feminization of men taking place. In addition to that, many men who are raised by single women end up growing up to be more femenine. Not gay, not flamboyant, but femenine in nature such as being passive (and not assertive), being argumentative (and not clear headed and calm), and one of the worst ones.. longing to be the reciever (instead of the provider).

We are living in scary times.

moseby75 · 2023-02-08T23:47:58+00:00

Long story short, modern feminism killed chivalry.

HumanSockPuppet · 2023-02-09T01:44:19+00:00

Why don't men feel protective towards women anymore

First, a clarification:

Men still feel protective of women. The protective instinct is hard-wired into men. That protective instinct is the whole reason feminism continues to exist, continues to extract resources from men. The whole process of feminism is to complain about something of interest and benefit to women until men do something to provide it, then cast it off as something men should have provided in the first place because of "historical misogyny" - replacing gratitude with indignation.

The protective instinct is still there. So what you're really asking is, why don't men act on those feelings and actually physically protect women anymore?

The reason is because men are punished for doing so.

Men are criticized as sexists whenever they intercede without asking. They are criticized as misogynists whenever they fail to intercede without provocation. It becomes a lose-lose proposition no matter how you slice it. And to top it all off, the women engaging in this ping pong game of entitlement and outrage are acting very unfeminine in the process. Femininity is what inspires and motivates men to act and protect that which is feminine. No man feels inspired to protect a snarling, scowling, unfeminine shrew.

Eliminate the catalysts and rewards for protectiveness, and what you're left with is a whole lot of indifference on the part of men.

Johhny6969hehe · 2023-02-09T10:54:17+00:00

The answer is why should we? Women no longer show us at least minimum gratitude. Of course we don't need it, but it would be nice. What's more, the situations shown in social media do not encourage us to help women, because we can suffer from it physically, socially or in terms of image. In addition, our help is contrary to the idea of a modern, strong and independent woman. You women want to reap the rewards of being strong and independent as well as being a victim to be helped. We don't operate like that. The common narrative is that women do not need any help, especially from men (toxic masculinity, oppressive patriarchy), so we have adapted to this and do not give you any help, so much unwanted.I trust that I have answered your question exhaustively, if anything, I invite you to the discussion

TheBunk_TB · 2023-02-09T12:28:40+00:00

"There is no concept of a woman's honor anymore"

It doesn't pay to do this as a man. Plenty of guys have gotten themselves mangled or killed doing this. Most men know that this puts them on a Simp radar also.

When we had a sense of community, it was worth something. When the collective leaned toward decency, it was worthwhile. But now, no.

This is also close to the "burden of equality" argument. Although I know of plenty of women that don't buy into the "you go girl" stuff, equality comes with a cost.

worldlysentiments · 2023-02-08T23:41:11+00:00

God, I could write a whole paper on this. Lol In short, I’d say societal and economic stress have caused this.

CountTheBees · 2023-02-09T03:41:39+00:00

Depends on who you are and who you hang around with. Women nowadays also much likelier to take risks - eg travel alone, travel to unsafe neighbourhoods, walk alone at night, etc., and statistically something bad is bound to happen. They're also much less likely to ask for or accept help. I think if you asked a male friend or colleague to walk with you, they would. Prevention is easy but girls don't think to ask or are too proud to ask.

SunriseGobby · 2023-02-09T00:39:30+00:00

It’s the threat of violence. A man could literally be killed or assaulted for protecting the same way a woman can be for rejecting. That’s why. And there is no reward for protecting a woman I don’t know.

I still stand up for women. But still

Plastic_Try_3399 · 2023-02-10T13:47:32+00:00

Your looking for a white knight. Probably the area you are in.

Altruistic_Tank4627 · 2023-02-14T07:41:30+00:00

Why would we? It’s feminism that did this. Y’all are strong independent women that don’t need men? Y’all could protect y’all selves I thought? Anything a man does in todays day in age is either creepy, insecure, or toxically masculine. Y’all wanted this shift. Now obviously I’m not going to let a woman be assaulted or anything if I can help it, that goes for other men, children anybody as well. However, if it’s just sexually suggestive words, ima let you handle that. I have nothing to gain from intervening in such situation.

GmanRaz · 2023-02-14T21:50:23+00:00

As a dude I can help answer your question.

You get burned enough times and you stop caring/getting involved. Men as a whole have been told over and over that most women are independent and don't need a mans help. If we do help we are white knights or misogynists' IE no win situation.
Modern women act very masculine and mouthy and then when their running mouth gets them into trouble they look for traditional treatment. Nope, not gonna happen from any man who has any form of self respect.

To put it bluntly men are naturally protective of women and children. But when women don't behave and act like women anymore and don't treat us like men over a long period of time we curb our instincts because they don't serve us anymore they only hurt us. TLDR: A lot of men dont see women as women anymore. Just problems and drama waiting to happen like a land mine. IE: Poser men.

Some-username9 · 2023-02-09T02:49:27+00:00

The twisted moral compass of modern feminism has severely damaged gender relations. Chivalry, protectiveness, and even basic acts of kindness are labeled as anti-woman. Men doing these perfectly normal and natural things get attacked, and you can only attack someone for so long before they wash their hands of the situation.

Cosima_Fan_Tutte · 2023-02-09T00:29:47+00:00

In short, protectiveness and chivalry come at a cost women no longer wish to pay.

However, this is kind of a non- problem, since I don't think women really expect or want to be protected by strange men. In my 40 years, it's never really crossed my mind that any man besides my dad or an LTR/husband would protect me. Is lack of protectiveness from strangers really a problem for most women?

Pro tip: if you want to elicit male sympathy or something resembling friendly protectiveness from strange men, go out with your young children, preferably infants and toddlers (in decent neighborhoods, obviously). It's the only time I've felt strangers (men or women) being protective toward me.

NMFlamez · 2023-02-09T09:11:00+00:00

For me its risk/reward. Mainly Risk actually. Where I'm from, (very different to where you're from), me as a man intervening will possibly and likely escalation the situation into something physical. First thought is "I'm strong enough to fight him if it comes to that?" If no, then there's your answer.

Even if it's otherwise, the guy could have a weapon. Why potentially risk my life for someone that I don't know? I've seen people hesitant to even protect their loved ones. Compared to that...for a stranger....too much of a risk for some.

penguinsrcoolaf · 2023-02-09T09:22:50+00:00

So many men been fake mee too'd or are constantly told complimenting a women is sexual harassment. They told their natural masculinity is toxic & dangerous & that women don't need them over & over in the MSM, the education system & films/TV shows. Plus so many criminal's carrying knives or guns now. That being said I still know many men would put themselves in harms way for a women they didn't even know. It seems a particular problem in big cities in the states. That video of a women being SA'd on a train full of people in Chicago ( I think) was horrifying.

FastLifePineapple · 2023-02-09T12:51:27+00:00

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StinkyPinky94 · 2023-02-09T23:19:27+00:00

I think it's because women today play their cards as being equal in every way and that they 'dont need no man.' That has put alot of men off of being protective over them because those women are acting like men all the time

TomakusDankus · 2023-02-12T12:10:29+00:00

Men have learned its a net negative to stand up for random women,en are called misogynistic just for thinking they can help out a strong independent woman.

WishGullible5142 · 2023-02-26T02:37:48+00:00

I believe the cut-off point for most is to protect their family, friends, and fellow neighbors but countrywide?

You have to honor and celebrate such behavior, and teach men that it's the right thing to do and that there are potential benefits for doing so.

Not so much nowadays, feminism has made sure of that.

DumbassVampire · 2023-02-09T06:53:58+00:00

Men never protected women. I know it might seemed like that back in the day, but usually because women where seen as property. And ofc men also saw opportunity in it, you save the damsel in distress and get her contacts.

And that women outperform men nowadays isn't something we should blame on ourselves but the men who just don't want to be good. They had years and years of mediocrity & suddenly women join who need to prove themselves and work twice as hard to be recognized and then they feel like their efforts don't matter anymore. (Since some ladies made that point).

There always have been creeps unfortunately. For example "Ladies & children first" only got popular because of the titanic and UK magazine's used it as an argument against feminism, despite the fact that 80% of women & children suffer disproportionately with ship accidents in comparison to men.

vin9889 · 2023-02-09T05:29:30+00:00

I think from my POV (20s Male) that if you think you need to protect women then that’s toxic.

I’ve learned not to look at women as a gender but as a person. Judging them on their actions.

So if I don’t know you, I won’t protect you if you get yourself into a fight. If you are being bullied and I can comprehend that in the given moment then I’ll jump in.

If we talk emotionally/verbal, just try to be a nice person to everyone. Don’t give anyone special rights or privileges due to how they look.

Just my POV.

ddeltadt · 2023-02-09T10:23:40+00:00

I don't think it's just women. But I do find myself absolutely flabbergasted from time to time at how people nonchalantly pass by as some misbehavior is taking place. Whether it's a man harassing a woman on the train, or a larger or more aggressive male harassing an older guy or even a person getting loud and obnoxious with some young retail worker that did nothing to them.... people will stand by and avoid confrontation rather than intervene and put the bully in their place.

It's not a matter of gender, rather I think it's the instinct to protect those weaker than you and perhaps the instinct is there for most people, but they don't act on it. The why I think is less about feminism and more about other social trends.

cast-away-ramadi06 · 2023-02-09T16:31:47+00:00

I only provide protection and provision for people who submit to my authority. Otherwise, you're responsible for your own protection and provisioning. But submission at any level is no longer an expectation in society so I don't owe anyone protection. If people want to be treated like equals, they need to act like equals.

The crux of your dilemma is rooted in the fact that your principles conflict with the broader society. Societal norms cannot be 'cherry piked' nor intellectually inconsistent. When women are in the infantry, the idea that women need a man they don't know to protect them goes right put the window. At a societal level, it doesn't matter what an individual woman wants. It only matters what societal norms are.

StrawberryEntropy · 2023-02-09T14:07:39+00:00

We don't need your protection, we need your partnership and respect.

brushshstrokes · 2023-02-09T02:10:55+00:00

Could you cite evidence of this please?

2023-02-09T06:24:28+00:00

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AutoModerator · 2023-02-08T23:34:53+00:00

Title: Why don't men feel protective towards women anymore

Full text: I know there are men that want to protect their women but most men these days don't feel that paternal instinct towards women anymore. I see creepy guys cat calling women in public spaces and men that watch this don't do anything to protect the women. There is no concept of a woman's honor anymore. A guy could say something really sexually offensive to a woman in a public place and no man will come to protect her.

I'm not saying women shouldn't defend themselves, we surely should stand up for ourselves. I'm just wondering why men nowadays don't feel protective towards women. I remember about 10 -15 years ago when a woman was harassed in public, at least one guy would come to support her.

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biped_thing · 2023-02-21T16:01:26+00:00

A bit late here. To resume: Because i don't care.

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