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30% of men aren’t having sex: Wat Do?

April 4, 2019

I read this report making the rounds on various news outlets. Involuntary celibacy among you adults under 30 has spiked up to almost 30% in the last ten years. Underneath that stat is a more ugly truth, while women of that demographic are largely the same as they’ve always been, men have nearly tripled. I can’t help but notice the year that the line of sexless men skyrocketed, 2008. I wonder what else happened at that time, oh yeah, the first worldwide recession.

I ask myself two questions: what is the takeaway, and what does one do about it?

Well, the takeaway is simple. When you look into divorce statistics, you’ll find that the primary factor in a divorce is whether a wife earns more than the husband, I can assume that this carries over to any sort of relationship. 2008 caused older generations to hold onto their jobs in order to recover from a huge dent in their retirement savings. A majority of economic damage occurred in male dominated industries like construction, finance, or selling sub prime loans. 6 of every 8 jobs lost were lost for men.

You don’t need a statistic for this, but here’s something your gendered studies professor won’t tell you: women who don’t have a job can still get laid just as easily, for a man it’s harder, a lot harder. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just harder. Some guys can overcome that hurdle, but a percentage of guys can’t, I’d say around 30% of men under the age of 30 can’t.

Of course, those girls are having sex with someone, but who? Something I’ve noticed in my time around red pilled men, is that guys in their 30s 40s and yes, even 50s are finding it easier than ever to have girls in their 20s. Divorced guys having girlfriends after dealing with their horrible ex-wife, guys who never got married to begin with, guys who even decided that they would hold onto their marital vow as strongly as their cold wives have.

You can like it or you can hate it, but just like how the older demographics kicked the ladder out from under them economically, prime aged men are doing it sexually.

As for the second question, what does anyone do about it:

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Title 30% of men aren’t having sex: Wat Do?
Author RStonePT
Upvotes 238
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Date April 4, 2019 10:49 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]SemperPrimus 219 points220 points  (71 children) | Copy Link

Uhh not really, 30% are not having sex because most women chase and share the top 20%.

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (58 children) | Copy Link

Right—there was a statistic in a recent article that said women rated 80% of men as below average looking on OK Cupid. 80%!!!

That’s why when guys say they only use a Tinder and regularly hook up with 7’s and 8’s I usually don’t believe them. Ok, maybe you’re Chad in terms of looks, but for 95% of dudes (cause the hot girls are even pickier), they’ll be lucky if a fucking 6 swipes on them.

This just reaffirms the power of cold approach.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 47 points48 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

First. Online dating reduces women to a single SMV factor: appearance. With such limited information, they correctly assume they can punch higher in the SMV ladder, because being limited to appearance goes both ways. Because appearance matters most from the male perspective (and men fuck down willingly), they win out meaningfully from this dichotomy.

Second. Understanding the bias in point one, it's not hard to understand WHY women have this skewed "average" take - they are just imputing all the other SMV traits (status, frame, game, resources) from the most attractive guys. Halo effect on steroids. Besides, getting mad at their goofy "averages" curve is literally listening to what they say. That's a no no.

Third. The guys who are highly attractive are bagging all the 7.5+ girls on the apps, and those girls immediately start trying to lock those top dudes down. Actual hotties are there on the apps, but don't last long because they have instant access to the top 5 to 10%.

Last - hell yeah it validates cold approach! If you can't comfortably be top 10%, save your time and skip the apps my brothers.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because appearance matters most from the male perspective

For fucking rather than commitment, appearances matter more to women.

[–]jackandjill22 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

With a headline like this, shit seems kind've pointless.

[–]Tombert_Williams11 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

With headlines like these, Red Pill becomes more important than ever. Which is not to say it will be a panacea. But the first step is to understand the reality of the world that you’ dealing with. With that knowledge, you can calibrate your actions to your maximum advantage, even though you may not get everything you want.

People often say on here that 80% of the women are sleeping with 20% of the men. This should not be taken as literally true; it is shorthand for something that is generally true. But note the statistics in the article you are referring to. 30% of men are living sexless lives. That means 70% are not living sexless lives. 70% is a lot higher than 20%. Sure, the 20% are likely getting a disproportionate share. But if you are currently in the 30%, you don’t need to become the 20%. Become one of the 70%, at least for starters, and then go from there.

[–]askmrcia 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

With headlines like these, Red Pill becomes more important than ever. Which is not to say it will be a panacea. But the first step is to understand the reality of the world that you’ dealing with. With that knowledge, you can calibrate your actions to your maximum advantage, even though you may not get everything you want.

People often say on here that 80% of the women are sleeping with 20% of the men. This should not be taken as literally true; it is shorthand for something that is generally true.

To add on to this comment even if women aren't actually having sex with that 20% guy, they are in fact holding out for him. They are waiting on that guy to return her calls, messages, swipe right, take them on the next date, commit, ect...

So this plays in another factor why a lot of guys (80%)aren't getting anything.

So all the reddit threads, youtube videos, YouTube comments, and other social media content where you see women complaining why they can't get a man or guys suck in dating its because these women are trying to bag the best of the best men they think are available.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep 70% are sexless, likely only half the men have regular sex and likely 20% or less of the men get to get plates, frequent one night stand or worthy of LTR woman.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I dont want to get super incel on this but i am a 26 year old man, im in great shape, have had plenty of sexual experiences despite the self deprecating user name, but im 5'7 and I am in one of the most obese places on earth at the moment (south texas).

I am not an angry bitter misogynist, but i 100% believe the deck is stacked against me. I think it is extremely unlikely I will meet and match with a girl that is as fit physically, mentally and financially as myself. I really feel that in today's market place I absolutely have to date down, significatly down. So down the women actually aren't attractive to me, and so I don't.

Maybe it will change in a few years when I am hopefully better established in a career and not in school. I feel like i got much more attention from attractive women when i lived in Denver C.O and Southern California, probably because women in those areas are statistically less obese, so there is not as much competition.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It because you think like a woman (no offence). I mean hypergamy. You want a girl to be at least as great as you are if no better.

In a few years, maybe you'll improve in SMV, so you'll want even better girls and whatever we say you'll be older so getting young worthy chick will be harder.

When the world doesn't fit you, the problem isn't the world that will not change for you, the problem is you.

If you think that's the place, then change place. If you want better girls that you think you deserve make a real effort to find them. If you can't manage, it mean you didn't deserve them in the first place.

Also there no point to get somebody that is just you, you can get somebody that complement you. The typical tradeof many men take is that the woman financial situation doesn't have to match their own. As long as the woman is able to not overspend or get into heavy debt, they do not care how much she is making on her own. It also allow them to obviously prioritise their own carreer when they have a familly while the wife focus more on the children. If you get a career woman, she will never accept to step down her career for your family.

[–]majani 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you gaming mostly in real life or online?

[–]Bazino 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because appearance matters most from the male perspective

I think that is total BS. Actually women are a lot more into looks than the general population is aware of or wants to admit.

And funnily enough this shows most on dating apps. If you're below 1,80m in height as a man, you simply do not REGISTER at all for ANY woman on dating apps. If that's not an absolute HARD optics standard, then I don't know what is.

The counter-argument that comes all the time "Yeah, but then men don't go for fat chicks either!" but we all know that's not true. There are enough guys out there who actively (!) go for fat chicks, otherwise there wouldn't be a porn category for it.

In fact I'd say that women are A LOT more superficial than men overall.

Looking at all men I have ever known personally in my life the standard search template (SST) for them looks like this:

  • 1) Beauty
  • 2) Personality
  • 3) Hobbies

And most of them will still date girls with a cool personality even if they are below their own perceived or objective beauty value, or a girl that just fits their hobbies. Because men have a RELATIVE approach - as in does the girl "work" with me "well enough" or not.

Almost all women I have personally met in my life tho, had the following SST:

  • 1) Beauty
  • 2) Money
  • 3) Public status

In other words, the personality of a man doesn't exist in their SST at all. Only if they run into two guys that fit that SST at the same time, then personality and hobbies, etc. will be a deciding factor. Because women have an ABSOLUTE approach - as in "does the guy meet my very high minimum standards that are not debatable" or not.

The problem is that shaming stereotypes are only one-sided.

Everyone agrees that if a guy cheats on his wife, then it's obviously with a younger more beautiful woman and all men get shamed for it.

(My counter-argument would be Prince Charles of the UK banging a 3 while having a 9 at home. Or Arnie banging a 2 while having a 9 at home.)

And women? If they cheat they go for older guys, or what? No, ofc they don't. They bang the poolboy, or the gardener, or the yoga instructor, which is younger and more beautiful than their husband as well. But did that reality make it into society as an often referenced stereotype that women are shamed with? No.

Something I find very telling in all of this is the strangers call their crush on a date series:

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking this ^

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not sass the ECs.

[–]FinanceConnoisseur33 points [recovered] (31 children) | Copy Link

I downloaded tinder 3 months ago and it’s a vending machine for sex. I’m loving it.

My recommendation: Hit the weights and bring your BF down to 7-9%. Then have your main pic as you shirtless on a beach having fun and populate the rest with you doing cool shit.

Then message every girl: “Down to grab coffee and hook up/watch a move at mine?” I just spam that shit. Don’t even bother with hey anymore. Occasionally a girl has a funny profile and I make convo but briefly, and I immediately go for the number to differentiate myself.

2/10 respond yes to the proposition. 4 on a lucky week. If you have like 200 matches a week, that’s 20 girls. Funnily enough, more 8-9s say yes then 6-7s. I found it odd, but it makes sense if you think about it.

These girls get so much desperate, mediocre and needy dick thrown at them (By the thousands. Ask a girl to see her tinder, it’s pathetic what men say. If I was gay, those messages would turn me straight tbh), if you can convey the right image/tone, it's easy.

Be warned, this is time consuming shit. Imo, sex more than twice a week is unnecessary outside of a LTR. It isn’t possible to have more with randoms and be productive imo.

[–]Zech4riah 16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You forgot the most important part and prerequisite for your advices: "Live in a big city". Cities under 250k in population (and there is shit loads of those) - just forget it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in a big-ish city and within 5km of two uni's.

I set my distance to 6KM and swipe before lunch, so im in their que.

Works amazing.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. Or somewhere that people are less likely to use technology.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No shit. You're on a driver advice forum and your advice is to buy a car.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh right, forgot that if livear knows a fact, then it's useless to mention it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Guys, pro tip:

If you want to go swimming, go to a body of water first.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I usually go feet first but whatever floats your boat.

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[–]askmrcia 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tinder was great for me and I did well there a year or 2 ago but I took a break because I was investing so much of my time and mental space with no guaranteed of a return.

Aman. You hit the nail on the head. A lot of guys claiming to be Gods on tinder is leaving a lot of shit out. It's time consuming. They all say they swipe five mins a day while on the toilet, , but then you have to message them (they may not ever respond or stop messaging at any time), set up the date, plan the date over and over again. Keep in mind these women can flake at any time. And the chances of them doing so is high. So you're staring at your phone messaging these broads and it is wasting your time.

Then you get to the date and they don't look like their pics. Maybe a little more weight or whatever. Keep in mind the date can go south at any moment.

But let's say it don't, you have to eventually get them back at your place or theirs and then get past asd or lmr.

Doing that over and over again gets draining. And the sex might not even be that good.

That's a lot of effort to put in just to get some mediocre sex from a chick that's avg. No guy is constantly bagging 8s and 9s from tinder. No guy is hitting 100% on tinder dates where everything goes right. And say you do get sex, it can be a ons and you have to start the whole process over again. It gets repetitive even if she manages to be your hookup buddy for a few months (keep in mind you're sharing her with other men).

I stopped tinder a while ago as well. Way better return on my investment with girls I talk to in real life.

Also everyone here knows the 5s on tinder have just as many options if not more then the tinder gods. So I'm just saying it's a lot of effort for something that's not that good.

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never used Tinder, but that was my experience with OLD. It's such a waste of time just to get a piece of ass.

[–]Trenned_out 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to spending time in real life to meet women? Come on man, sure tinder can be a time waste but if you want to meet new women it has an infinitely better cost/benefit ratio than just trying to meet women all the time by going out.

In addition after 8 hours of work and 2 hours of the gym, in addition to errands and cooking, I honestly don't always have the mental energy to go out and start convos wiht random people. However I can swipe here or there at work, while I take a shit, while I'm doing laundry etc...

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, that means you're not good at going out. If you have a good extended social circle, know people, Have connections & are aware of the hotspots is easy to pick up some fresh new girl that wonders into another spot some random night. You need game bro, some of you guys act like you've literally never left your parents basement sometimes.

[–]Trenned_out 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol wut. Yea man with my n-count approaching 100 and having gone out to bars/clubs at least once a week for years I clearly have never left the basement...

The fact that I literally make a choice to go out in groups of friends and actually drink and relax, for once turn off the "I should be working towards something" part of my brain and just enjoy myself, that doesn't mean I don't know how to go out.

[–]FinanceConnoisseur1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I've just gotten to the point where max-spamming because of the high population density in my city works. I live in the largest city in my country, so the numbers game is the most efficient return on my investment of time.

When I was still at school until recently, it was about developing a pipeline. Don't just talk to get laid. If you don't get laid, develop a friendship. It's literally networking for sex imo.

I don't know wtf you're doing but for NO REASON should you ever chat with a girl for 10-20 hours a week. Does that include phone conversations? I don't care if it's your LTR or wife. That's a hard NO. You need to work cultivating greater abundance. Minimize chatting. Quick conversations, establish some banter, and move on to Snapchat or text message. Set up a date to meet. Sometimes they'll say it's too quick but that's almost always a shit test. That's it. Do not be talking to them for that long. Your time is precious and valuable. I think I've spent a total of 15 hours maximum with all the girls I've met on tinder, that includes in-person time (Minus sex).

[–]Moldy_Gecko 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with all but the last part. Sex more than twice a week is fine as long as it's booty calls before bed. That's almost exclusively what I do with plates, except for the occasional date. But yeah, tinder dates more than 2x a week isn't productive.

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[–]FinanceConnoisseur3 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you doubt my recounting, shows that you have no frame of reference for me to better communicate what I'm saying.

Anyone with a high SMV, with their own place, in a dense urban environment, and a slightly creative profile will attest to the same.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't respond to losers. Worse ROI than tinder bro.

[–]jackandjill22 -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Bro, this numbers game you're playing precisely what skews the fucking average for how many messages they receive & that's why they basically brush off messages because dudes are blowing their shit up with spam mail. I'm a dude who rarely uses the shit. I'm also very attractive, I messaged a girl one time & forgot about her & she blew my messages up for Fucking weeks. That's because I don't sit there sending repetitive messages to every pussy with a pulse.

[–]majaka1234 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link


Ask to see how many matches she has. That'll put your ego down a little bit.

[–]jackandjill22 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So what, that's even better for my Ego, then you're telling me her matches are fucking ridiculous because dudes like this asswipe above me are spamming her endlessly, & she still wanted specifically my attention after I said 2 words to her? Great that means all those other matches are trash & she prefers me.

[–]majaka1234 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're just god's gift to women then aren't you?

[–]Geleemann 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet he's got like 20 girls on his dick right now

[–]FinanceConnoisseur2 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm very specific about who I match, and basically try to develop a pipeline of plates with the most minimal investment of work. It requires some patience or just a raw numbers game. I've tried both methods, and the latter is the least time consuming.

This isn't a hard and fast rule. I've met three females who are closer friends that I haven't slept with, but I have slept with multiple of their friends. Worst case scenario, make some friends. It's literally coffee > bang, or coffee > friendship if I met up with a tinder girl.

For me, it's about minimizing my investment of time for getting laid. I'm at a stage in my life where I have no time to go out to clubs/bars, or even cold approach in social settings. I do what I have to, and leave. I treat Tinder like ubereats. If used properly, it creates convenience, with minimal investment.

Or you can just get a hooker I guess haha.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I treat Tinder like ubereats. If used properly, it creates convenience, with minimal investment.

Good stuff, man, all the way around.

[–]wanderer779 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares, his way is working

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I certainly cant prove it but I have suspected the skew is much worse in certain areas. There are more obese women than men, obese peoiple are, for lack of a better word, un-fuckable. In certain areas (south texas, lousianna, mississippi) this creates a very real imbalance in the sexual market, as there are plenty of fuckable men and less fuckable women.

Women who use tinder, match with guys that they probably would never match with in real life, maybe if the guy was drunk and she was the last girl in the bar, but guys do it because its easy, its just the price they pay for easy access.

[–]ShozOvr 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What if Okcupid has the below average men?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right—there was a statistic in a recent article that said women rated 80% of men as below average looking on OK Cupid. 80%!!!

I love when the numbers line up perfectly with theory. Send it to print.

[–][deleted] 67 points68 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Also, this is what we should expect now that hypergamy is unchecked... women only sleep with the alphas. Watch: it’ll get worse.

[–]NormalAndy 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nah it gets better.

Ride the tiger- enjoy the decline.

[–]Trenned_out 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea why but this just made me think of It's Always Sunny when Dennis says "Well cut up a couple rails buddy lets blast off."

Entirely useless comment I am aware

[–]LukesLikeIt 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only on apps and the internet. Face to face it’s mostly on you. No one wants to do that anymore

[–]2johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"20 do 80" is the Pareto principle. Maybe there is a "30 do 0" principle.

[–]Standgrounding 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sure thats the number of femcels too for various reasons

And they are just as envious of the queen bees as are beta's of Chads

[–]GodOfDinosaurs 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except it was like 10-15% not having sex a decade ago. the 80/20 rule isn't a 'law of nature'.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The pareto rule isn't about the actual number, it is about the few percent that get the most. It being 20% or 30 or 10% isn't important. It can also be composed: 20% of the 20% and so on.

[–]1swaglordobama 67 points68 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Men without jobs can get laid easily, too. In fact getting laid a lot is one thing u can do when you are unemployed because you can go out all day and approach. Game is a skillset, and women don't need your money, they bang financially crippled fuckboys and leech off of rich scrubs all the time.

The real cause behind incels is the wussification of males and the war against masculinity. Boys are raised without knowing their role in society, and many of them see in movies that these white knight faggots are virtuous, even moreso they get shamed for acting on their desires as men. Male empowerment is dying in our society because a legion of land whales in pussy hats won't stop screeching about it.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I totally disagree with the parent as well, seen it first hand. Broke dudes working as a bartender or unemployed but spend all day lifting and surfing at the beach? They fuck 10x the ladies as 40-year-old Mr. Money, and don't pick up gold diggers. And yes, many of those unemployed dudes are in their 30s, 40s, 50s and still have game.

[–]TheLongerCon 27 points28 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, I'm an engineer that works, and alot of my social circle are also engineers that make 100k +. I know friends with half as much money that do much better with girls with them.

Why? Because they have more experience.

The biggest lie men are told is that women care about your money, outside of marriage and sugar daddy arrangements, things that most young men aren't interested in anyways, money doesn't matter beyond its ability to create better logistics.

[–]1v1crown 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't care about money anymore because daddy government has their backs. It's all about abs and height and good looking faces for women these days.
Women are MUCH more superficial than men, especially when they are in a safe civilization that allows their hypergamy to flourish.

[–]adool777 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Money matters in a sense that it can buy you experiences though.

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[–]askmrcia 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes exactly. These dudes are going from one end of spectrum to the other.

The guy that mentioned his engineer friends can barely get laid is because they are socially enept engineers making a lot of money.

Now if you take an engineer that is decent looking and knows how to be social with women he will be on par with broke surfer dudes and bartenders.

I seriously don't get why some of these guys can't understand this

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is just that the equivalent of your guy making half the money and having many chicks would have a harem if they were rich.

It doesn't means that all rich people have a harem.

[–]TheLongerCon 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


My point is human being have finite amount of energy that they can spend pursing their desires. If you're working on a career that makes you 6 figures, you're going to have less time and energy to socialize. There's just a finite amount of time in a day.

So if getting attractive women is your priority you're probably not going to be a super successful dude, unless your career is already established. This is one of the reason older guy are usually better with women, once you establish yourself you can focus on other things, like learning game, building social circles, and working out.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

money doesn't matter beyond its ability to create better logistics.

Rent and a decent car still requires a FT job for most people.

[–]TheLongerCon 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That falls under logistics.

[–]Goose905 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it's easier to get laid without a job because your bordem finds ways to get laid and employed person wouldn't have time to discover

[–]1swaglordobama 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It really depends. It's generally hard to get laid if you're depressed and negative and socially awkward with or without a job, but if you're an attractive guy who lost his job you can just be authentic with girls about that and they won't care.

[–]Goose905 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

When I quit a job I'm the opposite of depressed but I understand what you mean

[–]_n1codemus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While I agree there exists major amount of incels, there is a also significant amount of monkmode/mgtows.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have been Involuntarily celibate for the last 36 hours.

If this goes on any longer I am going to start a war.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

War brides are the only option.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is kind've how I feel when some girls post shit about not being laid in a week/month. It's hysterical.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Two days.

I just want to rape and kill everything and lift weights


[–]Blackhawk2479 38 points39 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

30% actually sounds low to me, especially considering the 80/20 rule.

I think you have a point from the economic perspective but I would suggest something else:

Facebook’s worldwide monthly userbase rocketed from 12 million in 2006 to 145 million in 2008 and continued on that trajectory from there. Why fuck a single beta simp when you can rinse entire droves of them for digital validation from the comfort of your bedroom instead?

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a little closer to your analysis, than the economics of it, particularly because poorer communities generally have astronomical sex and birth rates while having higher likelihood of marriage. Poverty has never really slowed men's access to sex and this same scenario never really played out in previous economic recessions, so we have to look at other variables.

What has changed drastically in the same period is culture. Particularly due to every human being having access to smart phones and computers. 2008 is around the time facebook was going viral, it's when mobile chatting services were exploding(BBM, whatsapp). At the same time sexual liberation was fairly advanced, casual sex culture was accepted and on the rise.

Our access to people not in our inner circles became elementary almost over night. This opened the sexual market up like a can of worms. Women were suddenly exposed to high value men all over the place, making it so much easier to bang Chads, while more difficult to be satisfied with your average Joe.

Cue the easiest fuck Chad, be supported by Brad scenario in the history of our existence. The bottom 30% are literally invisible and unnecessary.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

30% actually sounds low to me,

30% are not having any sex. Another large chunk of the male population is having very little sex.

[–]1atticusfinch1973 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You would be amazed how many men in long term relationships or married barely get sex once a month or less. It's what finally led to my divorce, but there's lots of other guys that just accept it and live without.

I'd be willing to bet if you included guys have sex less than once a week on average over the last year that number would skyrocket to 80-90%.

[–]Mangasbzo7 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a study posted on here few months back that said it was 20% of men were getting 60,% of the pussy. Then if you extrapolate that to the rest of the population it basically meant 50% of male population gets jackshit

[–]majani 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then there's another large chunk who are lying about getting any. And another large chunk who are exaggerating their numbers greatly.

[–]HBenedek38 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spot on. The economic crisis didn't have this profound effect on people's lives, social media on the other hand did. I was in school back then, but I remember how in the span of a couple of years we went from sending SMSes and chattinf via Microsoft messenger, and using flip phones and shit - to suddenly everone having smartphones, everyone being on facebook, and me being the technological outcast for not using Facebook 24/7.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop commenting. Stay away from them bro you're feeding the attention whores. You have to understand how big that number is you really don't know what you're saying.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 64 points65 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

I’m afraid you need to review your analysis Rian. Unemployment rate shot up to a max in 2010 after the crisis and then strongly and steadily decreased to now reach an almost all-time low. These incels do have jobs so lack of job/money is not why they’re incels.

You could instead claim that’s because hypergamy is increasingly unleashed though female empowerment, removal of shaming female sexuality, and easy online hook ups so that women don’t need to blow betas to get a living: they can all bang the same alphas and discard the rest. But the stats also show that young women are having less sex too, even though the increase is not as strong.

So I’d personally put my money on the increasing distrust and misunderstanding between the sexes, as orchestrated by feminists. Young women increasingly undervalue men, fear them as potential rapists, overvalue themselves thanks to social media validation while at the same time making themselves physically and socially less attractive as mates. At the same time, men increasingly distrust women. It was already hard for your average young beta to summon the courage to ask out a girl before. They feared the risk of rejection, ridicule, loss of reputation.. but now they also face the risk of being accused of harassment simply for being clumsy. To help the young clueless guys to overcome approach anxiety, PUAs would say “what’s the worse that can happen??”. Now you’d probably want to avoid saying this to motivate a kid to approach...

Girls can get their validation boost online through social media and shopping money with their job, while boys can jerk off safely with porn. Why would they interact with the opposite sex and respectively risk being raped, or being accused of rape/sexual assault?

[–]HalfysReddit 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Unemployment is only down because you're not considered unemployed when you've been out of work for more than six months.

A much more useful statistic is the labor force participation rate, which describes what percentage of people capable of working are actually working. It's currently at ~63%.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely people miss the fact all the time, including the bureau for labor statistics, they always keep putting "Full Labor participation highest in years" in the headlines all the time "full employment jobs are incapable of being held down because not enough workers" while conveniently leaving stats like this out.

[–]clausternn 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wtf, so it hasn't gone up at all since the end of the recession? That's fucked up.

[–]42poundsofbutter 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of it is structural, boomers are getting old and our population is often too fat to work

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting, thanks for bringing that up. However it’s only dropped 3 points from 66%. Is that significant? Also that’s not limited to the male and under-30 categories, so it’d be useful to refine that stat.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]boywonder2008 points [recovered] (25 children) | Copy Link

Dude, y'all gotta stop using the "Women will accuse betas of rape" crutch. Y'all are taking a few reddit headlines and posts here and applying it to all women. Sure, AWALT for most behaviors. But if you walk around thinking everyone woman is a ticking time bomb prepared to accuse any man who even farts around her as rape, you're not going to get anywhere. Women just want to be fucked. You don't even have to be "alpha" or a "Chad" - terms I think this sub should scrap btw. You just have to appear confident and fun. I think you're covering for your lack of desire to or fear of approaching women.

If you cold approach a girl and bomb, it is highly unlikely that she'll accuse you of sexual harassment. Will she likely shit on you for being weird? Maybe. Will it be really fucking awkward and discouraging? Definitely. But not every girl in the world is looking at dudes as potential rapists. They are looking at dudes for potential fucks or potential bucks.

Edit: When I say "you", I'm not directing anything at you specifically. I don't know you. But I am addressing the redpill community as a whole that uses this "all men are rapists" trope as a reason they aren't getting laid.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say mean to say it’s likely to happen, I said meant to say your average beta may think it may happen and that fear would only make approaching even more difficult. Same with women fearing being raped. It’s not more likely to happen than ever before, but you can be sure women are more likely to have that risk on their mind these days given how often it’s on mainstream and social media, and how much it’s misrepresented (the infamous “1 in 4” myth)

[–]1empatheticapathetic 8 points9 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Check out r-falserapeaccusations . It doesn’t have to be rape but anything can be called harassment. I had my ‘metoo’ moment last year. It’s winding down a bit now but yes it’s something to consider for most men in certain situations.

[–]gavinatorpro 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ya it’s getting bad out there. My buddy at university cold approached recently and it quickly went south. Long story short, uni police were called on him by this chick for “harassment” when he was just politely conversing and even walked away when he could tell she wasn’t feeling it. Could’ve been a lot worse if the cops took things further (like rejected from uni) than just telling him to “never speak to her ever again”. Scary times.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is, it's getting crazy bro. I ran into a plate at the mall last weekend; she was with her mom & younger sister the situation immediately became super awkward & they started freaking out after she introduced me to them. I fucking ducked out of there in a "Fucking-New York minute". I hope to never see that bitch again.

[–]gavinatorpro 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn sounds like some overprotective family or something. Forget about it and keep your others spinning like usual bro.

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

when he was just politely conversing

That's how he just tells the story.

Women can sense neediness, and he may have thought he was just "politely conversing" but actually emitting mega needy vibes. Who knows? None of us were there. But most men are subconsciously needy, and this neediness comes out during their interactions, even though they fail to realize it. Women can sense neediness and process it as a threat, which is why they freak out. This is the genesis of many "harassment" accusations - the man may not have been doing anything objectively that bad, but her subconscious system sensed neediness and went into fight or flight mode.

[–]gavinatorpro 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He cold approaches all the time, and it usually turns out great. Unlucky for him, this girl just turned out to be a Me Too feminazi. She went full on fight mode when she called the cops on him. Scared the shit out of him too.

[–]Trenned_out 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yep, this shit almost destroyed my life too. Lowest point I ever had, times suicide seemed the rational choice. But, willed myself to go on and here I am, climbing back up out of the gutter.

Consensual sex with another law student in 2017. It "got around" the school 8 weeks later. Suddenly she doesn't remember it.... What almost makes it more fucked up is I finished school but they are holding my degree until 2020 (2 year "suspension").

I drop little bits of red pill knowledge to every guy I'm friends with in regards to protecting yourself against this kind of thing. Sure the odds of it happening are low, but you're literally letting a girl put a gun to your head and pull the trigger as she pleases. I don't know why you'd trust a woman to be moral and rational enough not to mitigate the risk of her pulling the trigger.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Damn they're withholding your transcripts because of some issues with the university?

[–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yea it's fucked man. They "suspended" me for 2 years once I finished school, essentially I have to jump through hoops (writing about these shit show youtube videos about women being harassed, some feminist book, and get evaluated by a psychiatrist) for them to give me the degree I already earned.

In a profession where there wasn't a licensing exam after graduation, this probably wouldn't hurt me much because I could just apply for the same jobs and hope no one finds out. However I can't take the bar until this is done.

Like I said before, has led to some of the darkest times of my life, but I'm employed and biding my time. Near halfway done, May 2020 I finally receive the JD I've earned.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's crazy. That's actually really interesting.

[–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Had two different lawyers tell me I'd win on appeal but the thing is all that does is send it back to the school so they redo the process and correct the ways in which they violated your rights. I don't fucking trust those cucks enough to spend 20k (when I already was 8500 in the hole) on it in addition to possibly extending my "suspension." Since temporary restraining orders are issued to allow guys to continue attending classes while the courts sort these things out, that doesn't help me. Since even if they had to recognize me as graduated, I couldn't get a state board of bar examiners to go on record to my attorney that the fact I had my degree due to a TRO wouldn't automatically bar me from passing character and fitness. If they evaluated the situation on the merit's I'd be ok, but its a big deal to admit someone who may lose their JD temporarily after getting licensed.

Essentially would have been worth it to sue if I was still in school, not in my instance though.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't still a weakened version of my former self. But when I get the opportunity finally to pursue my chosen career I will appreciate it 1000x more than I would have otherwise.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty crazy bro. Like the whole 9 yards. The legal precedings the way the university is reacting basically putting you through "re-education" to *"un-misogynist" you. It's a very strange situation.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It really is not winding down.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm. Maybe i've just become accustomed to it. I'm not sure.

Last year i had a harassment accusation and it's definitely stopped me being so brazenly confident. But last year was peak metoo; now non-redpill people have a bit of distance from it and can see it's fairly excessive.

[–]BazingaBen 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree, this is my experience, I was reading previous comment and wondering if that was an American thing and maybe the UK is lagging in that respect. No women do that in my town, single ones are more than happy to be approached.

[–]ReUptheReUp 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In what context are you approaching these women? I live in the UK too, but these days will only approach a woman in day in a setting that isn't social if there's a very, very clear indication of interest and if the setting means I'll be able to spend some time speaking to them.

[–]BazingaBen 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm only referring to night settings really, bars, bowling, other social. Because of my job the only time I'd really have the option out of that setting would be the gym and I don't bother with them in there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Never trust anything that does legs five times a week.

Women at my gym are weird.

[–]BazingaBen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend is a PT in there and said something along the lines of - all gym girls are crazy.

[–]KikeTownSyndromeA -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're a complete Retard. get off the internet

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. Just because you have money doesn't mean you're attractive. Is your job interesting does it afford you status. You can have some cash on hand but still be and ugly uninteresting prick with a boring life this is where the first part of your analysis is wrong.

[–]Mr7FootCock 26 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The reasons are obvious, any woman, no matter how ugly can get sex because niggas be too damn thirsty. Meanwhile, wholesome young men who are not natural chads, need to nearly kill themselves with exercise and spend a fortune to looksmaxx just to get an opportunity to fuck an obese land whale.

Fuck that shit.

As for what we do about it? We take out all this "women are perfect and must be treasured more than men" bullshit in the media. Take out feminism, that will reset the playing field. We also need to remove all those soy beta cucks that get off on being slaves

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy knows what's good, niggas be so fucking thirsty these days lol.

[–]jackandjill22 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh you're deadass. I be telling my friends this all the time. I just don't get why they're so insistent on chasing so many bitches that aren't doing anything for them. It's just bad economics.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, do these statistics include sexless marriages? A sexless marriage is defined as sex 10 times or less per year.

[–]0io- 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There's probably a significant percentage of men who are too embarrassed to truthfully answer and say they had sex in the last year when they didn't. I'd bet the real numbers are even worse. And then there's another 10-20% who had to pay for it. Probably the top 10% of guys get laid on the regular, multiple times per week. Another 10% get it once in a while, and maybe another 10% get it rarely if ever. I'm pretty sure the bottom 60% just don't get laid unless they hire someone.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I think your percentages are bang on. When I lived in Hawaii from 2011 to 2016, I was getting sex multiple times per day, often from different women. I would have roughly three new girlfriend's per week. Then I moved to a place with no Asian women (I rarely date non-Asian), and I started focusing on my own fitness, language learning, and building businesses. So I went from having sex daily, to one or two times per month.

I could easily switch back to that old lifestyle, however I am quite happy now and I'm not totally sure if it would be worth the time commitment.

[–]adool777 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where do you put guys with LTRs? I'm near the top 20% but I'm probably not there. I get laid way more with one chick.

[–]0io- 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my opinion if you're in an LTR that you're happy with and you're getting laid regularly then you're doing great! Much better than most guys with no sex and no girlfriend, or with a "girlfriend" who they only buy stuff for online. Your girlfriend must have a high opinion of you otherwise she would be with somebody else.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]1RevolutionaryPea7 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That definition is hilarious in itself. For me a sexless relationship is one where I spend a day with someone without having sex with them. It's also called friendship. I don't have female friends because they don't offer anything in terms of friendship.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, props to the over 30 crowd. Always said it's so much better to be old school.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Over 30's having their good sexual time are like the boomers that cashed in on houses before the market and world went blitzkrieg.

[–]INNASKILLZ2K18 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha. Yeah, I'm so happy I'm not married.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

the first worldwide recession.

I guess you've never heard of this thing called the Great Depression...?

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That was before the sexual revolution. That was long Fucking time ago.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Because people aren't going to pubs/clubs/bars and having drunken sex.

They're making sober choices online. It sucks for uggos.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because people aren't going to pubs/clubs/bars and having drunken sex.

Maybe not as much, but drunken sex is still rampant. Especially in college

[–]harbinger1945 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hell not only college.. in my city it's so rampant that you go out friday, get one girl and saturday you get another girl.

And family wonders why the hell i have no gf lol

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[–]SmamelessMe 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I like where you're going with this, but your data is incorrect.

There is a serious labor shortage across the entire "western world". I'm talking both US and EU. To a point where it is having impact on GDP. The only place exempt from this is Australia, but that's only because they keep importing 200k immigrants a year. And even that may not be enough long term. Why do you think Germany was so "generous" in accepting 1 mil immigrants? They saw all that potential labor to fill jobs no German wants to do. And why they don't want to do them? Well, that brings us to the second part:

The problem is not that men can't get work. The problem is that men can't get work that would "get them laid". Let's face it, being a McDonald's burger flipper might feed you, but it won't get you any more adoration from females than being unemployed does.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]SmamelessMe 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be precise, the immigrants that passed through immigration selection used do be highly-motivated individuals, who were more likely to start their own business, than your average schmo office worker of local population. But if you open borders, or play the asylum card, you lose this ability to select who you let in.

Before the mass European refugee spike, immigrants used to have lower crime rate than natives. Precisely because they were carefully selected. But the statistics have reversed since the borders were left virtually open for two years, till beginning of 2018.

Young males <30 cause ~90% of all crimes everywhere in the world. Praise testosterone. This is universal truth, disregard religion or society norms. Well, guess who is the majority of refugees, passing into EU through, what up until recently was, very rudimentary background check.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. That's what I said. Trash jobs are careers.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, I kinda hermit into a basement during the colder months and then start actively having sex again from May -> September

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't have a GF during the holidays. The holidays are primtime for getting laid. All the cold months women just stay inside and fuck their boyfriends. Nowhere to go. You're missing out.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing I’m missing out on is the sun. My mood goes downhill during the colder periods and I have no interest in socialising during that time.

I have a SAD lamp and take Vitamin D but shit weather just makes me not want to do anything

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I ask myself two questions: what is the takeaway, and what does one do about it?


I know what I'm doing about it, and it's a goddamned blast.

[–]EGOtyst 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bang their moms since, their dad ain't around.

[–]EdmondDaunts 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad someone points out the social aspects of a change in economics. Wealth is a hard master.

[–]Persaeus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

the first worldwide recession

huh? yeah that worse than normal, but meh. recessions are like the perennial of the economy. they come and they go; and will forever.

i would agree that marriage loosely and household formation in particular are tied to economic activity. fuckery though, nope. fuckery cannot be negotiated.

the cause, to me at least, is glaringly obvious: social media in general and OLD in particular. just as globalization of the economy increased the propensity towards a winner take all model, the globalization of the SMP has increased the winner take all model.

funny how the human mind keys in the supposed inflection point in any graph. 2008 looks normal. things really change 2012 and after. check out the history of OLD. OKcupid in 2008 (also Facebook launch) and Tinder in 2012 (Facebook hits 1 billion users).

the reasons have all been well documented, and i don't think need repeating, but these tools have falsely inflated women's view of their own SMP that the bottom 1/3 of men literally do not exist. even the fugly girls think they rate a Chad; but Chad ain't got time or need to dip his dick in all of them so you also get the smaller increase in female celibacy

Wat do?

unless you're top 20% looks, and/or wealth if your my age, don't waste your time - work on your cold and warm approach

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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]deadrobins[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair play. I don’t think it’s unusual for two strangers online to have different opinions. I’ll just say, be careful when there’s a woman involved.

[–]Trenned_out 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or if they feel it protects their current status, maybe they don't gain but they "aren't a slut" then.

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't think anyone here could one day gain a significant amount of those resources?

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[–]organicfluxx 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What kind of bad experiences did these women give you that you couldn't freely just walk away from?

[–]redpill77 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it’s easy to win a race no one is running

Most are told directly or get a vague impression that it is a faux pas to run the race. All you have to do when someone tries to shame you is say "sure, whatever'" or wait for the girl they wish they had/were to come back with your drink.

[–]_n1codemus 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Calculate in those men who are not having sex but lied instead and the number is even bigger.
There are many men who are going on their own.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorRStonePT[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]_n1codemus 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is my point. 30% is just a number for a trend.

There is an increase of men who do not have sex, whatever the reason. I see that as a good thing.

[–]Hjalmbere 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Social media is creating an ever growing demographic consisting of single alpha widow moms who will raise browbeaten socially inept young men that can’t get laid. If you think it’s bad now, just wait 15-20 years.

[–]NormalAndy 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop wanking it off to internet porn and you will get a lot more success with real women.

[–]BlindingTwilight7 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

At the end of the day status always wins. Looks are crucial when you are younger and you want to get laid but to win the long game you must have status and resources. Cashed up men in their 40s do find it easy to bang and plate women in their 20s. All across western nations the hottest girls at college are members of a special new fraternity called seeking arrangement.

If you are male and over 40 and your nett worth is less than US$1million then you are invisible. Doesn’t matter if you have big biceps, you are just an old jock living in a rented apartment. No woman of value will give you her commitment, you are the gatekeeper of nothing more than a beat up car, some tools and some old sneakers, no one wants you. Either have a plan to make money or accept that your senior years will be miserable and you may end up on the end of a rope. The hardest pill to swallow is the one which scares you most.

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If you are male and over 40 and your net worth is less than US$1million then you are invisible. Doesn’t matter if you have big biceps, you are just an old jock living in a rented apartment.

Its true that 20 something women aren't going to be throwing themselves at your feet. However, age appropriate women will still be all over a fit older guy.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not at all -- after 40 its like being back in high school -- the few remaining fit good looking guys rule -- money becomes much less important.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

However, age appropriate women will still be all over a fit older guy.

Age inappropriate ones, too. As Uncle V says, stay away from things that age you, like smoking, drinking too much, and women your age.

[–]thewhipofacane 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damm bro thats harsh but cant denied it. Self-improvement truely > chasing women

[–]Hombremaniac 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Either have a plan to make money or accept that your senior years will be miserable and you may end up on the end of a rope. The hardest pill to swallow is the one which scares you most.

Sounds like a load of bullshit. You have to have something to attract chicks, sure, but if you can't get laid without drowning in money, then you are probably insecure, ass-ugly soyboy or you are going solely after 20+ years younger chicks.

[–]fugued 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

False. I'm 54. Just started using these apps. Getting crushed with interest. I have a one-sentence profile, and rarely do these girls ask what I do. Its all about the pics. Rule 1: Be attractive. Rule 2: Don't be unattractive.

[–]Hombremaniac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's more in line with what you can read on TRP. Not just "drown in money to get pussy after 40".

[–]BlindingTwilight0 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I rely on my looks, game and status but when you get older status eclipses the other two. It’s all well and good to have a triple figure n-count but it doesn’t build holiday homes or buy first class flights.

[–]TheLongerCon 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean by status? Is having a prestigious engineering/law/doctor job with a 6 figure salary "status"?

[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not as unorthodox as you make is sound. Everyone knows this on some level.

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If you are male and over 40 and your nett worth is less than US$1million then you are invisible.

LOL sure. That's my lived experience. /s

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who gives a shit mane.

I'm a really good looking dude, and I don't have sex often at all.

I'd rather get good at something that I can be proud of, and the majority of these women are boring as fuck, and constantly just bring baggage with them. I just can't be bothered playing their pathetic games.

Most of you will never understand though because the majority of you have zero self discipline and are slaves to your programming.

It's funny though, I see people I use to fuck with having children in their 20's because they have zero ambition and think "ah fuck it I'll have kids".

Most people are just so draining nowadays it's hard to be around them.

Incels are the worst type of people, they should all be exterminated from earth.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's alittle true dude. Alot of girls by their mid twenties are knocked up. It's kind've strange how that shit happens so quickly.

[–]TheBadGoy 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I say its simply evolution on steroids unfortunately... No amount of will and mentality can close Pandora's box (social media). In the near future most of us will become starving hyenas waiting for Connor Murphy's scraps

[–]rygy3 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

6 out of 8 jobs lost were men’s? What kinda report did you read where they don’t simplify fractions?

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Men under 30 typically have no game. They sound ridiculous and have high pitched voices because they are barely out of puberty. Half of them can't grow facial hair, the other half have no social awareness or social status whatsoever. Even in spite of this, some women would still fuck them, but today's culture of feminization has made them awkward and, worst of all, needy. It's a miracle 70% of men are having sex.

Eventually, life will beat the fuck out of some of these men. They will lose their job, they will have a health scare, people in their family will die, they'll get into an accident, whatever. And hopefully, in that process, they realize what a bitch they've been, and grow a pair. Subsequently these men become a more attractive to the same women that despised them. And the cycle continues, indefinitely. This has always been the case; the only difference is because we coddle men for so much longer these days, it takes a lot longer to swallow the red pill.

[–]Zech4riah 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me fix this for you:

Men under 30 typically have no game.

[–]jackandjill22 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What the Fuck are you even talking about asswipe?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

HURR DURR - literally call up an escort, have sex. The end.
Why has this got to be designed into some huge equation that needs to be complicated?

Who cares what girls are fucking and what guys, escorts are hotter than citizens and at least you get your monies worth, not played around whilst she fucks chads and claims money from you.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking ANYONE is temporary relief at best. Subpar sex? have you fucked any western women? they can't even do domestic chores anymore, fucking any girls under 25 is rare also, escort or not.

Who gives a fuck about accomplishment?? if you are fucking girls to feel accomplished then you are far from being a complete person and women aint going to ever give it to you.
You shell out hundreds for average girls to go on dates whilst they fuck chads, you always pay.

[–]jackandjill22 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This true. It gets expensive, & it's hard to find it safely & of decent quality. Especially in America.

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, not at all, it's not some base animal instinct that holds about a minute of pleasure.

[–]hearse223 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people are hung up on the concept of "earning sex" for free using their charm and wits.

Like those who pride themselves on catching their own fish, cleaning, and cooking them rather than going to Red Lobster.

[–]ShimaRoosman 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If the statistic is that 30% of men aren't having any sex, what is the percentage for women?

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[–]ShimaRoosman 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting... I wonder how accurate it is though. Seems hard to believe almost 1 in 3 men isn't getting any

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[–]Administrative_Camel1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

30% of men aren’t having sex: Wat Do?

Start investing in robotics/artificial intelligence companies because business is going to be booming.

[–]I_am_Jax_account -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe if you pick the right company. But all the Nokia, Lucent, Yahoo, etc. investors that were supposed to get in on the dot com boom are just looking jealously at the Amazon and Google investors now.

Which robotics AI companies will actually make it is anyone's guess. And I've gone pretty "deep" trying to figure out ways to pick winners and I just don't see it. I went as far as looking at what companies might make the batteries that might be in electric cars in the future. Acid? Lithium Ion? One will probably lose. Then there's the companies automating fulfillment center/ robots. But Amazon basically already owns them.

[–]Aro2220 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Come on we must have spent billions on feminism propaganda in the last decade. Surely some great female mind out there understand the problem and can easily counter your argument without devolving into character attacks...

Really? Not one woman philosopher that relies on logic instead of emotion? Strange.

Do you know where it would be really awesome to see more emotional thinking and short sighted behaviours? Yeah that's what I was thinking, also! Politics!!

I mean let's completely make it all about what feels right to you. You go girl. Push that red button.

[–]anti-hypergamist1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it may be even worse than 30%. I believe the question was "Had sex within the last year". Well a guy that went to a hooker in the last year but is basically an incel could answer "Yes" and not be lying. So I think the share of young men who have no prospects for intimacy may be higher. That makes me sad. I wish I could help them.

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[–]0kool74 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I, too, have seen this study making the rounds and the old me of a decade ago would have probably thought this borderline catastrophe or a sign of something seriously wrong in society. However, now a decade later having gone through the stages of incel, then later on Red Pill, and now being totally checked out of the game I recognize it for what it really is...a healthy dose of comedy laced with a few sprinkles of schadefreude. It's not that these 30% of men aren't having sex, it's that they can't get sex thanks to the modern day manifesto of the Feminine Imperative. The Imperative dictates that these men have to be top tier to have a chance at competing. They have to have a certain look....a certain flair.....a certain edge that a lot of men today don't have and due to that lack it causes Team Vag to dry up quicker than the Sahara desert covered in ShamWows!

Not only that, but these men are so deluded by society, so deluded in their upbringing that they won't even take the time to recognize modern day women for what they are if they are presented with the information. It's only after they have been sacrificed at the altar of "ra ra you go girl sisterhood feminism" before they wake up and realize that they are nothing more than pawns being moved around on a chessboard and are the first pieces of casualty. So, naturally, I sit back and laugh at the decline and secretly relish the possibility of that 30% going even higher over time. May not see a high percentage in my lifetime but if it does happen, all the more a sense of satisfaction.

This bastardization of sexual and interpersonal relationships is not going to be righted absent some paradigm level shit, and unfortunately the Red Pill doesn't have anywhere the necessary rate of social influence needed to reverse the damage that has been done by western feminism.

[–]YngWn 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is how you know the shit has hit the fan, but its even yet beginning. Speaking for myself, till less than a year ago I was devoted to the sky father Jesus Christ, hence I was still a virgin. After my spicy sexless LDR relationship of four years with another person who was just as devoted, a virgin from the opposite sex had ended, because she got possessed by Satan, lost her mind and sinned with another male I discovered a reddit called theredpill. In there I found some men as strong as silver-back gorillas and some men who were just as devoted as me to the one in the skies. I knew one thing, I was not happy, so I had to try something else, which brought me to listen to the advice of the gorilla men. I had qualities of both the red and the blue, however 4 years in with my Virgin Mary the color blue was much more present. The gorilla men showed me the red and pointed in a direction, I was hesitant at first, but I followed. Incredible amount of self-doubt, anxiety, suicidal depression that i had gotten rid off suddenly hit me as I decided to leave home, pack my shit and leave everything I once knew. It was worth it. Less than a year I had slept with 6 women, 2 of which were unbreakable plates, made out with more than double the amount and had a couple jack me off just because. The more it happens, the more you realize all this is normal.

I would really like to say this post is total BS, but considering I, a good looking dude (4% BF, 7 years gym exp and MA) can be so worn out of life... (I'd like to describe it to you brothers, but I know those colors you will not understand), leading a sexless, unfulfilling life, its easy to imagine how it would be for the rest. I can take my time to write down exactly how I am where I am now (1100 km, living with a friend in a 3 level house near Amsterdam), but it'd be too long, so maybe in a future post. The most important thing is to DO. Once you start doing, you'll experience a lot, fail, win and you'll end up shaping an individual.

[–]miamiedge 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's because being slutty every week is perfectly acceptable. In the past women were expected to have sex in committed relationships with an embarrassing private "slip up" once or twice a year. FWB was not a common thing. Neither was bootycalls, Netflix and Chill or Crew Love.

When committed monogamous relationships aren't necessary, a majority of women can just be with the top X% of men, leaving "lesser" men sexless.

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[–]potatorockstar 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those men seem to know something about western women.... .

[–]grandmasbroach 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wat do? Fuck em. More for the rest of us.

[–]Whopper_Jr 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

2008 also coincides with iPhone/social media/internet dating. If guys knew what what best for them (as a group), they'd all delete Tinder, Bumble, etc. immediately. Starve women of easy dopamine and free attention. Tinder is ultimately for their benefit, not ours.

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How are these young women meeting these older men? I'm in my early 20s and there are no environments where I live where young women and older men congregate and socialise. Older men tend to be married and with kids.

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[–]cafeitalia 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

30 percent are not having sex because just us in this group keep at least 4-5 plates around, some have even more. As we take these women as plates and fuck them so good like they were never fucked before, squirting, moaning, they find no reason to engage other guys. So us 20% of the top men population we are able to keep 80% of the women wet and horny for us. That leaves 20% of the women and 80% of the remaining men fighting for the women. You get 1 women to 4 men and of course 30% of men will never get any sex at all.

[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'd say that the rise of internet/streaming porn (the rise of these services started around 2008) among other things (feminism, social media, dating apps etc.) had more influence on the fact than the recession. We have had (even worse) recessions before and it has barely affected the percentage of incels.

I'm pretty sure you are drawing wrong conclusion or atleast really binary conclusion.

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[–]Zech4riah 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I was only commenting the reason why the percentage of incels has increased. The rest of the article and "end conclusion" is pretty much aligned with my thoughts as well so not much to disagree with that.

Additionally to my experience, social status and game beats getting ripped and/or being somewhat high income any time (high income doesn't always translate to high social status or preselection. Example: some antisocial high income nerds).

It's really easy to get to the top 10% (by following for example advices you gave). But as a sidenote, if you want to get to the top 1% or top 0,1% - that requires a shitloads of more dedication and gifts (either intelligence, high work ethics, extremely good looks or something similar).

[–]BastaHR 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not good idea to keep a large chunk of male population "dry". That kind of discontent can lead to violence, revolution, wars.

[–]Merica911 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You post most no sense. The job market today for men is great for men. Yeah pay rate hasn't caught up with the rise of houses but every dude I know that's not strung off drugs has a great job.

Also, you're making a correlation that (relationship + well paying job = sex) when really it's (well paying job + sex = relationship)

Meaning, if the researchers dug more into the data WOMEN at this giving time in life never been more interesting in not being in a relationship (with a basic guy)

Why? Because today the #metoo movement you can't tell a girl to not wish for Prince Charming to come in their lives. Today every girls feels entitled to a 6' 8" jack dude that has a net worth $4 million or more, and you can't tell any girl differently.

I see the point you're trying to make (The economy is about to crash) which I disagree. Also, not too sure if you have much experience with women in the last 3 years and I can ensure you it's not (relationship + well paying job = sex)

which if you look at it this way (sex = relationship + well paying job) and now change the outcome from sex to relationship (relationship = sex + well paying job) it's that why would the girl have sex with the bottom 30% guys when they'll have no intent of being in a relationship with. Meaning, I believe every girl that sleeps with a certain guy COULD ONE DAY actually have a relationship with, where these 30% bottom they just don't ever.

Lack of social skills, lack of fitness, lack of drive, etc etc etc is what younger men need to tackle today. The job market is there though

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[–]jackandjill22 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I'm a heavy Redpiller. Have been for years. I've been busy with life actually accomplishing shit(You guys motivated me) & have had some free time to return here. I gotta say bro reading some of these comments. It's crazy some of the userbase of this forum seems seriously, seriously depressed.

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[–]the-dan-man[🍰] 13 points14 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Hey man, yeah it is rough, but listen it is all just a test, don't forget that. If the game does not feel worthwhile, then stop playing the fucking game, and do something else! It is that simple. We are all starting to realise it. But we lie to ourselves, that maybe just maybe it might all make sense soon. But fat chance. You know it, we all fucking know it. The Red Pill philosophy does not offer an answer, it just outlines how women work and what you can do about it. But that does not mean women are worth the hassle. Nowhere does anyone say that shit.

If life is shit right now, and it looks hopeless. Think about what you can do about it. Move away from the city, and see what small town girls are like, because they are different. Save up some money and go travelling and see the world. Join a church or a Buddhist centre and see what a world of faith is like and if they have the answer, and frankly, they probably will. The West is sick and fucked, but that does not mean you have to kill yourself! Just give up on your desires for finding a good woman for now. It is all bullshit anyway. Even those guys that get huge amounts of pussy, they still get depressed. Go do something else. Stop trying so hard. Disconnect from the internet and go on a hike. Canada has some amazing hikes that i would love to do if i were living over there. Hell, save up and go move to Asia and land some woman there. That is what i plan to do in a few years if i cant figure shit out over here.

If you ever wanna talk or need anything at all, send me a PM anytime at all, or email me.

[–]bossplayaintraining 12 points13 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, sex would be nice. But I want to emotionally connect with people, & them vice versa. I want to feel loved by others. I want somebody to text me saying, “Hey, wanna go to (x cool event) Saturday night?” I want somebody to hug me, to show myself to. But then again, nobody gives a shit about that now. Everybody’s trapped in their “no new friends” mentality. Nobody wants new friends... they just want new followers.

I want a fucking friend that I can hang out with face to face. I don’t want to feel lonely all the damn time. I want companionship. I want to be treated with humanity. I want to feel unconditionally loved & I can’t even get that from my own parents right now.

I love to play basketball though.

[–]youngzari 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I feel you, bud. I’m also from Toronto and I’ve been alone for a whole. Im currently in an LTR but I need better male spaces. I don’t have any outside my cousins whom I love & are affluent but are lowkey simps and enjoy partaking in blue pill activities.

I’m actually going to therapy next week. I’m staying positive and play to continue to win.


[–]bossplayaintraining 3 points4 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Good for you. I guess that’s all you can do sometimes.

To the mods & other vanguards, EC’s, & shit, if I came off like an incel or sounding extreme, that’s not me. I’m just basically in monk mode right now, & all my past traumas & other deep-level negative shit is coming up to the surface & I have no choice but to work through them, & I’m finding it really frustrating. Me working this hard for this little apparent return. Sometimes, like with this article, I still get triggered.

[–]youngzari 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me working this hard for this little apparent return. Sometimes, like with this article, I still get triggered.

Me too, man.

My anxiety has re-emerged and it’s quite challenging to handle on my own. I can’t even tell you the last time i had a good nights sleep. I don’t want to make this all about me, just want you to know you’re not alone. We all have our days we just gotta stick to our principles and continue to back that up with discipline and hard work.

It’s the seemingly small things we do everyday that add up to bigger things later on. That goes for character/integrity, investments & a game plan. Keep going.


[–]1empatheticapathetic 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finding good friends is hard. I tend to just befriend ‘losers’ and then bring them into my world in terms of hobbies and mentality. It works and I have friends.

[–]RuleTheOne 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing but facts in your post. Redpill aside, something is happening in our society. We're becoming more disconnected from human beings and more connected to technology.

In the future sex will be done by VR headsets lol

[–]mrbluesdude 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn dude I feel you on that. Shit really is rough these days

[–]the-dan-man[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Join the club mate. You will get over it. I did. Being alone is not so bad. You have full control of your destiny, and get to do what you want to do ALL THE TIME. Some people are so lost in their social circles and the drama that they come with, that they know nothing else. That is not freedom.

You are free. Try to enjoy it.

The only place you are gonna make real genuine life long friends is the military. It is that simple. Or a gang or some shit like that. Other friends will come and go, because our lives are changing so fast. If you just want a temporary friend that you can hang out with, then go to some clubs in your city, join a social meet up organisation, and go weekly. It is easy to find people like that. The hard part is finding a genuine friend. My advice for that would be to get into social work and volunteering at homeless shelters and for people in need. There you will find the friendliest and nicest people on the planet. And you will also realise how lucky you are to not be in their situation. Shit is not that bad. It might just all be a matter of perspective, especially from the media, as advertising and so on thrive from making you feel depressed and lonely.

[–]ReUptheReUp 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to dispute anything you've just said, but the biggest hurdle you have to overcome here is the mindset you possess. Even if everything you said might be true, so what? You're a man, a human being, capable of using his imagination to change his situation. It's clear you don't like the lanes you've been offered, so create your own.

You're on the Red pill subreddit, the perfect way to learn how to make yourself the type of male that women not only want attention from, but who they also want to be with, and this is by bettering yourself overall - even if you're intention is not to bed plenty of women. I'm pretty sure most of the men on this subreddit began to attract the best women of their lives when they knuckled down and focused on themselves and their aspirations - not women. Do this and add value to yourself, as women only want to do what you've described in your first few paragraphs to men who have less value than them.

Learn the game (actually get out there and apply this stuff in social settings with women, you'll also start to meet other people doing this too, who you could actually become friends with, which I think you need), have a strong frame, keep your tools sharp, never falter and everything you just said in your comment won't apply to you. Red pill isn't a habit either, it's a truth to internalise that will eventually influence every action you take unconsciously. If it's a habit for you then you're not quite there yet. You're only what, 22? I'm only 28, but I've been following this shit since coming across a David Deangelo DVD when I was 11, and I can honestly say I didn't really internalise this until I was about 21, after I had some experiences where Red Pill thinking saved me from making some terrible decisions.

Work on yourself and aspirations, enjoy doing so, don't see limits, be patient and remain optimistic, and the results of doing so will prevent you from feeling like you do. I don't know the environment you're in, but maybe think about switching that up a little to, as context always affects character.

[–]bossplayaintraining 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Problem: women see all men as having less value than them in 2019. And I’ve tried knuckling down & focusing on my own aspirations... I’m doing it right now... & I ain’t got jack shit since I started. It’s not like I have women banging down my doors or even just saying hi to me. They don’t even look at me unless I have a solid conversation with them beforehand.

And whenever I’ve tried to make my own way, my parents, teachers, & peers have verbally shamed me into submission & staying in the lane they prescribed for me as a loser. I don’t feel financially stable enough to move yet, as I don’t have a lot of earning power right now relative to my expenses. I would say I’m in between barely staying afloat & being able to have life-changing experiences outside of my paradigm. Like I could do a life-changing experience, but it’d have to be like a yearly vacation for me at this point.

I feel bad for coming off as so negative... I’ve got a lot of awful shit I’m going through right now. I’ve just learned that my parents’ love for me was basically always conditional on being a “good boy,” I’m working hella hard on myself (lifting, full-time job, finishing up piano teaching degree, saving money very aggressively) for very little apparent return at this moment in time, all of my past traumas are coming to the surface & I’m trying to work through them. I have very little time to work with at the present moment. It also hurts me so much as a red pilled man to see the whole world still trying to shove the blue pill lie down our throats & everybody just taking it up the ass. I really want to help, but I feel like they’d just try to drag me down as crabs in a bucket.

Because of everything I’m going through, because I’m so heavily in the struggle right now, I guess I can’t really conceptualize what experiencing positivity, joy, fulfillment, & the good things in life is like.

I get what you’re saying, though. I feel like I am improving day by day, even though it does feel like the improvements are miniuscule & at times they are offset by blue pill relapses. Every time I manage to come back just a little bit stronger.

[–]1empatheticapathetic 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s just a phase bro. My life is pretty ordinary but I’m happier than I’ve ever been now. Your expectations for yourself are too high. It’s a difficult line to walk for sure.

[–]fugued 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It will come to you. In my 30s I was literally invisible to any modestly attractive woman. Since I started lifting, eating better and getting more sleep, everything changed. I now get random openers from women all the time. It's weird, and awesome. Be the boss of you, and they'll want you to be the boss of them too.

[–]thewhipofacane 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is one of the most simple best and clear cut advice ive read in here

[–]ReUptheReUp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks man. I'm enjoying being on this subreddit alot, so hopefully I can leave more.

[–]throwaway19287615 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Whenever I go outside and look at people, they subconsciously know something is wrong, they're all mostly depressed or hide it well. Nobody has a purpose anymore, everything is automated and we really have no personal freedoms anymore. Feminism ruined women and there's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube unfortunately. The only way it would get better is if men across the western world united and said enough.

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I've laid a lot of Feminists. Nothing has changed. Evolution hasn't changed. Women are still attracted to men, and nothing was ever 'ruined'. Feminism is a shit-test for the 80% of men that don't get it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorKeffirLime 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your problem is not women, or social dynamics, sexual accusations or any of the other shit you listed. Your biggest problem is you, your attitude and your approach.

If this is how you come across on an anonymous online board I can only imagine what you're like talking to women, it must be like the grim reaper rolling in with a cloud of hate and death. Nobody want's to be around that sort of vibe, they'll instantly retract.

Until you learn to lighten the fuck up, stop taking yourself so goddam seriously and have a laugh people, particularly women will continue to avoid you at all costs.

[–]PerplexingPegasus_ 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Toronto is a shit hole for dating under 30 so don’t feel like you’re the problem. The women are generally on the defense and angry plus don’t care much for dating except for the LTR game even then that’s a whole another issue in its self.

Being under 25 and trying to date in Toronto is difficult so I understand your frustration plus adding social to that mix makes its worse. Mystery became the man he is because of Toronto, so don’t lose yourself over some a wet cunt that’s not spreading for you and remember to keep your goals in mind brother.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Piss off with this bullshit. This sub isn't the place for garbage posts like this. I think MGTOW or Braincels will be more to your liking

[–]Marcozy14 -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

IMO you can weigh your options:

Spend time and energy hitting on women, whether it be through dating apps, or out and about. Spend time and energy (and likely money) on a date, listening to a dumb hot girl with the emotional intelligence of a teenager blab about dumb shit. Smash. The worst part: Deal with post-smash repercussions.


spend time reading, learning a new skill, increasing SMV, and when needed, rubbing one out.

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[–]Marcozy140 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol don’t be triggered man. After re-reading my comment, I realize that it came off different than how I intended.

The purpose of my comment was to both explain a dilemma that I’m experiencing after a few years of TRP, and also explaining that in many cases, the girls many men are after (stereotypically hot, but not much else to offer) tend to not be ‘worth’ the investment after some time.....

I think as we grow and mature, we start to value other things. And although a woman’s SMV is weighted heavily by her appearance, i think it’s important that we start looking at other attributes just as heavily.. or else the drive for sex and relationships wouldn’t outweigh what I mentioned in my comment.

After years of TRP, I can see why some men gravitate towards mgtow. Many hot chicks aren’t providing more value to make me say “wow, it’s Friday night and I’d rather hang with her, as opposed to the 846 other things I could be doing tn”

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[–]organicfluxx 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why increase smv if not participating in the sexual market place?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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