A Note on "Real" Alphas

RedFlagsAreGood · 2013-11-21T14:54:13+00:00

If you keep giving terrible advice when you don't know jack shit, I might just make a new user flair: Continuous Blue Balls or something.

Please do. It will help the newbies. It might also help with the problem of outsiders assuming the terrible advice is representative of TRP.

BadgerBurger · 2013-11-21T15:26:50+00:00

Stating something like, "This board is full of Betas now!" Is concern trolling. And concern trolling is shitposting.

dancingwithcats · 2013-11-21T18:04:49+00:00

Anyone who has to loudly proclaim how 'alpha' they are probably isn't nearly as much so as they like to think, or try to get others to believe. Actions, people. They speak far louder than words.

RedSunBlue · 2013-11-21T23:01:41+00:00

I recommend a "Donny" tag for people who come here and say shit like "Explain TRP to me" or "What's a hamster?", i.e., shit that's already been covered at length in the sidebar.

EDIT: My take on the alpha/beta misuse problem.

Gentlemen,

The rapid growth of our corner of the Internet has brought in many people who are eager to debate the meaning of "alpha".

Ex:

That's not what a True Alpha does!

I don't listen to my mom, I'm so alpha!

I think Alpha is [blah]!

Your idea is Alpha is dependent on women, and therefore not Alpha!

That might be attractive, but sex with women doesn't mean Alpha!

Lol, u like pasta, that's beta as fuk.

To all of you with your own special idea of what alpha means to you:

STFU and read the sidebar.

It says right there under "Welcome to The Red Pill":

The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Next, under Glossary of Terms and Acronyms:

Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves.

Beta – Follower. Sombody who validates others, men & women alike. Beta traits display low value to women. Beta can also be used to describe individual behaviors.

In otherwords:

Alpha = makes vaginas tingle*

Beta = does not make vaginas tingle

* I do not say "Makes women want to fuck you" because these days, women may want to fuck you for reasons that have nothing to do with your sexual worth and everything to do with the current legal/cultural climate or just plain old manipulation.

How are we going to have a productive discussion on sexual strategy if everyone keeps bringing in their own pretty definitions of what alpha and beta are? It only serves to confuse and distract. You wouldn't go into an discussion of military tactics while saying, "Well you know, 'victory', to me, means keeping my morals and abstaining from war all together!"

Criminals and generals alike can be alpha.

Your morals have nothing to do with alpha.

Your ideals have nothing to do with alpha.

Stay on topic, please.

ChaoticParadox · 2013-11-21T15:52:28+00:00

I think the Continuous Blue Balls flair thing goes into shaming territory and is beneath what The Red Pill is about, but otherwise, I would like to see this information in the sidebar. It would help out a lot of new people to have a quick reference like this.

Cold_August · 2013-11-21T14:49:42+00:00

Maybe adding the definition of the "no true Scotsman" to the sidebar might help.

Whisper · 2013-11-21T17:53:52+00:00

They're not even traits, they're habits.

Which is good news, because we can cultivate the behaviours that will get us what we want.

Ronfar · 2013-11-21T15:46:50+00:00

Applauds

Alpha/beta is a mindset, not a demographic.

Everyone has a certain ratio of alpha/beta in their typical behaviour. Also the label throwing is stupid as fuck.

CosmicSea90 · 2013-11-21T18:57:27+00:00

this essentially falls under the No True Scotsman fallacy.

elpezadent · 2013-11-21T23:53:05+00:00

I think we should probably model new flair after Kubler-Ross model of 5 stages of grief. For the most part people that are new to the sub are often in denial or are already in the anger stage and as time goes by they gradually come to terms with it like death. This sub is pretty clever I'm sure some model will be instituted.

nihilistic_fatalist · 2013-11-21T15:19:52+00:00

Pay special attention to Endorsed Contributors.

Ignoring the fact that one of comments that made you create this post was from an Endorsed Contributor.

vsvsvdsve · 2013-11-21T21:44:06+00:00

To hell with alphas and betas, only supreme omegas can achieve ubermensch status.

vox_veritas · 2013-11-21T21:46:14+00:00

This is the most alpha post I've ever seen.

Kidding. In all seriousness, I think the community needed a post like this from a mod.

2013-11-21T21:26:30+00:00

This needs to be on the sidebar or something. I can't tell you how many times I've see people confuse alpha with honor and morality.

2013-11-21T22:59:03+00:00

Yeah, people get so boneheaded about all the cliches we have. These terms like "alphas" and "betas" or even terms like cock carousel, SMV, the wall, etc are all simplified versions of larger concepts and theories. Why is there black and white labels? Because that's the only way to explain shit to a newbie.

I see this all the time with the Neo analogy. Yes the matrix was a very insightful movie. Brilliant in many ways. Now stop trying to reduce everything to "well, when Neo took the red pill..." The analogy is not reality. It is just a map, a gross approximation of the actual territory. The purpose of all of these labels and themes and cliches and terms is to help convey ideas without frying people's brains.

dancingwithcats · 2013-11-29T15:09:53+00:00

Well said. I've often said that 'real alphas' don't claim to be alpha and don't label others either way. Actions and behavior speak far more loudly than words or labels.

zxcvbnm000 · 2013-11-21T14:56:23+00:00

Not gonna argue about the alphas part, but I always thought that 'beta' was just shorthand for someone with a ton of beta behaviors at the time. There does certainly seem to be a type for that, in my experience. Should there just be a different or more specific name for that?

IllimitableMan · 2013-11-21T18:44:09+00:00

Continuous Blue Balls

LMFAO.

Some "person" the other day was like "I don't know how this guy has his endorsed badge" (referring to I) I said "clearly you've been not around here long" he's like "I checked your post history, they must just go for quantity over quality"

Apparently being endorsed means all my posts need to be essays, I cant post when drunk and I'm not allowed to act stupid. Nah fuckoff, I'm my own man I do wtf I want. Some of these noobs act entitled with endorsed contributors, its perverse. We don't owe you shit. I don't need to advise people on the internet if I don't want to, show some fucking respect. I've spent many man hours selflessly advising people, not all perfect advice but generally pretty good shit. For every person who gilds your post you get 3 more self-entitled little pricks who spam up your notifications with bile.

Petrarch1603 · 2013-11-21T18:35:08+00:00

Yeah, I'm sick of all the alpha/beta dichotomy around here. Social behavior is a lot more nuanced than this. I personally seldom use those terms because I don't think those terms convey clear ideas. Its sometimes a useful heuristic for analyzing behavior, but its really been used too much.

2013-11-22T17:16:23+00:00

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GN0PE · 2013-11-21T19:08:35+00:00

I've been lurking and getting familiar with this board, and this post sums up the problem I've had with a lot of posts. Thank you for your post.

alphabetmod · 2013-11-22T04:17:18+00:00

This is spot on. Being an "alpha" is not calling yourself an "alpha." You do what you want, what makes you and your woman/women happy. There are obviously traits that make you a "beta"; e.g. Putting women on a pedestal, feeling sorry for yourself, but alpha is defined by you. You are happy and in control of your life and relationships? Then you're an alpha. You letting people walk all over you and living for the approval of others? Then you're a beta. That's about the extent of it.

deepthrill · 2013-11-21T19:06:41+00:00

If you keep giving terrible advice when you don't know jack shit, I might just make a new user flair: Continuous Blue Balls or something.

Eventually they'll (hopefully) learn and the quality of their posts improve. Will they get to later file an appeal to remove their blue balls flair!? Glorious is the day when these students become masters, after going through Red Pill School

AbraxianAeon · 2013-11-21T22:34:49+00:00

This is definitely a problem the subreddit has had for a while, nice to see it called out properly and articulately.

People need to stop theorizing and just talk about what has personally worked for them. Otherwise this subreddit becomes seddit. The teenagers and bitter friendzoned orbiters need to zip it.

Though I think there is value in calling bitches "betas." Make them whine. But ffs don'tcall yourself an alpha, it is so douchbaggish.

koukol · 2013-11-22T00:28:49+00:00

Refreshing. Thank you.

2013-11-22T01:04:49+00:00

Continuous blue balls.

Just do it. Repeatedly hidden comments - Blueballs extrordinaire.

MockingDead · 2013-11-22T01:19:22+00:00

I was thinking a bit. I like tags. These sorts of labels are helpful for the persona nd the community. In the real world if you get a reputation for being an obnoxious twit you either leave, change, or own the name.

Now the second you criticize someone you are a hater.

specter504 · 2014-01-06T00:19:01+00:00

Wait... so you're telling me that the TRP ideal is an Alpha male, and that Alpha males argue with each other and have trouble forming a cohesive group?

That's some original thinking right there.

/ that said I wholeheartedly agree that there are more than enough opponents to fight, and that we don't (yet) need to sharpen ourselves against one another.

iseeyou1312 · 2013-11-22T09:33:13+00:00

Every person who recommends marriage to a woman in a Western country should get the new flair.

MockingDead · 2013-11-21T17:41:15+00:00

Well said, I can't but agree. Especially with the lurking bit. i disregard anyone with less than 100 karma.

humpaa · 2013-11-22T04:29:06+00:00

The entire Alpha / Beta stigma is so overplayed now.

Being Alpha is like the New Beta.

ch4os1337 · 2013-11-21T15:35:16+00:00

I remember reading that it's been scientifically proven that alpha males don't even exist. It's a social concept entirely.

*Found it.

humpaa · 2013-11-22T03:04:44+00:00

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Heroic_Refugee · 2013-11-25T07:09:45+00:00

Isn't Alpha male a term invented by some marketing company in order to appeal to a certain demographic?

2013-11-25T07:39:36+00:00

Thank you for the post. You pinpointed what about this categorization was bothering me. That and behavior doesn't stop at Alpha. Sophistication is an air added to men that time spent in the right conditions similarly adds to wine.

Angry_Angerson · 2013-11-25T20:11:09+00:00

Furthermore, of course there are people with beta tendencies here. How the fuck do you expect them to learn?

Being one of them, that was my first response.

StoicThePariah · 2013-12-01T20:12:12+00:00

Nobody is intrinsically an "alpha," some people just have more alpha traits than others

Exactly. You don't just get a special status that makes you unquestionably alpha. It's entirely situational.

2013-11-21T15:50:39+00:00

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MockingDead · 2013-11-23T03:59:29+00:00

I want to add: I think Alpha is shorthand for "keeps their frame and sense of amused mastery regardless of the vicissitudes of life." and beta "as they do not do likewise."

2013-11-21T18:27:20+00:00

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Title	A Note on "Real" Alphas
Author	redpillschool
Upvotes	487
Comments	100
Date	November 21, 2013 2:43 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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