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An Easy way to re-frame any command.

February 17, 2015

This simple one liner will re-frame the situation in to your control anytime someone gives you a command. You've heard it all your life, probably many times when you were a child. Here's the line:

What's the magic word?

Ill give you a few example of when i have used this phrase in the past.

Practice had just ended and we were all cleaning up the field. one girl turns to me and says "Hey put these poles in the shed." (I was already going to do that, but now if I put up the poles, it would seem as though I was taking orders from her, a girl who had no authority over me.) Me: "What's the magic worrddd? (said playfully with a smile) her: "plleeassseeeee" Me: puts away poles

When this girl commanded me to put away the equipment, she was attempting to extend her frame on to me, where she would be the leader and i the follower. When I returned by saying my line, it exerted my frame (I don't take orders/be nice and polite) on to her. Since this line is a very simple command, most people will simply say please, and fit into your frame, I have yet to meet someone who says "no" when I ask them for the magic word.

This line will work anytime someone who does not have explicit authority over you tells you to do something.

One time at work, we ran low on ice, and my co-worker, who was the same rank as me and had no authority over me said "Hey run grab some ice." (attempt to extend frame as him being the leader) Me: "What's the magic word?" (bitch get in my frame or I ain't doing your shit) Him: "please" (submits to my fame).

Now be smart, if my boss had come over and told me to get ice, i simply would have done it. If you are commanded to do something by a boss/professor/doctor/person who is actually in charge of you, don't ask for the magic word, just do it. If someone who isn't in charge of you tells you to do something (that needs to be done anyway) simply ask for the magic word as an easy way to put him/her into your frame.

In both of these examples, the action i was told to do needed to be done anyway, so saying "no" wasn't really an option, it would have made me just seem like a dick, and not a "hot alpha asshole" but more like the "screw that guy he doesn't pull hos own weight and no one likes him" type asshole. If commanded to do something that you don't have to do, or that the commander should do, simply say no. An example would be if a guy told you to throw away his trash. I don't care what words he says I ain't his maid, he can do it himself. Or the classic "hold my stuff" line said by a girl. just say no, because in both of these situations you have no obligation to perform either of these tasks. New guys , you are probably still being bossed around a lot by your peers, as they were all used to you being there bitch. Try saying this next time someone tells you to do something, I can almost guarantee they will fall into your frame, and next time they will ask instead of commanding you.

Have you used the "whats the magic word" line in the past? Do you have other easy ways to re-frame commands? Please comment and share your tips and experiences.

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Title An Easy way to re-frame any command.
Author binglebongledingle
Upvotes 164
Comments 77
Date February 17, 2015 11:37 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]knitro 97 points97 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Good stuff, and just so you don't beat your one trick into the ground, a few other ways to do essentially the same thing:

Any sort of admonishment: 'Is that how we ask for things?', "Now now, manners manners", etc - the same way you'd correct a child.

An ironic salute followed with a yes sir (extreme version, a Nazi salute - though she has to have some sense of history to get this) - it makes them feel foolish for being so commanding, that your likening them to the military

Tit-for-tat - do it conditional to her doing something:

'Can you get the rest of the groceries out of the car' "Sure will you get my laundry out of the dryer"

In the end, apply this with intelligence - not every battle's worth fighting, and it's not always because she's testing you - if your cooking with your girlfriend and she asks you to hand her the colander (because she has her hands full), just do it. I feel these common sense disclaimers are becoming more and more necessary.

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are some great one liners too, I'll be adding those to my vocabulary; especially liked the first two

[–]2rp_valiant 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

for responding to those that have a slightly stronger knowledge of WW2, throwing in a "jawohl, mein fuhrer" (pronounced "yavole mine fyurer" and is what you'd say if Hitler gave you a command) can really hammer home the point in that sarcastic/black-knight way that we all love so much.

[–]sweetleef 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice idea, but it may be a bit obscure given that the knowledge base of most of them consists of fashion labels, cosmetics, and "candy crush".

[–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah maybe - I don't know how familiar these nuances of WW2 are in the USA or other countries, I'm from the UK and most people here are at least vaguely familiar with these kinds of phrases. Not that I'm implying people in the UK are smarter or anything like that, but WW2 is very much still in the public consciousness over here.

[–]darth_pravus 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I like "What's the magic word?" better because most people are primed for the response. It's very cognitively difficult to not respond with please. And, most people usually respond in an obsequious manner, making it even sweeter.

[–]1knitro 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

so long as your chiding the result is the same. Besides the OP asked for alternatives.

[–]SenorPuff 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can always lead with that, and then playfully shun if the other person doesn't say please. 'Go out that away.' 'What's the magic word?' '[non-compliance]'

Now you can go a few different ways:

Playful, with innuendo: 'Looks like I'm going to have to teach you some manners when I get back' wink

Playful without innuendo: 'Don't forget your manners now.'

Escalate: 'My oh my you're a bossy one aren't you?'

'Well aren't you just full of class today.'

'Oh sweetheart, rudeness isn't cute.'

[–]Philhelm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My problem is that the first word that pops into my head upon being asked, "What's the magic word?" is, "Now!" I must have got that from a movie years ago, but it's my default response whenever I rarely hear the question asked.

[–]spectrum_92 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In an LTR with a German girl, pulling out the Nazi salute and a 'Ja wohl mein Führer!' when she tries to order me around does wonders

[–]Youbetripping 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love the nazi salute one. Shame the gf wouldn't get it.

[–]Red_truthiness 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The line I usually use is "That's a funny way to ask me for something."

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[–]tyson2444 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This one girl in nearly all my classes outright refuses to say "please" or "thank you" on principle, not subtly, her orbiter/mouthpiece said "she doesn't say please" and she confirmed with a "mhmm". Made me sick.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this is a great approach for social situations. I just wanted to refer this in a work sense, when its your co-worker giving you an order; realise that this is a strategy of them to gain power over you (you'll recognize this is you've read How To Win Friends And Influence People). In this situation you need to call them out and say no, ignore the request or offload something to them as a compromise, otherwise you're going to be walked on in the workplace

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting take, i haven't read that book yet but I will now

[–]NeoreactionSafe 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's enforcing the fact that a woman must always be Charming.

The moment a woman switches from "Charm Mode" ("Could you please lift this thing for me... oh thank you so very much dear") into "Shit Test Mode" ("Lift this for me now you stupid man... you are lucky I keep you") you need to nip that in the bud.

You simply cannot allow disrespect like this ever, ever, ever.

She must know her role is to be "Charming" and you will not accept anything less.

[–]fhghg 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

PF: "Gear down." PM:"What's the magic word?" PF:"Gear down, please. ... Thank you." PM:"Oh, you're quite welcome." Instructor: "Boys. BOYS! This is an airplane not a fucking tea party."

True story. Quit the please and thank you bullshit in technical operations.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say that's common sense but given the number of Autists around these parts in this day and age you're probably wise to comment...

[–]badpig 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I always hated the whole say please thing. My response tends to be "are you asking or telling?" I keep my tone fairly neutral but stern. So yeah basically what you posted in different words. Unless they've got a badge or sign my check I expect all requests to be exactly that a request.

On the other hand unless I have authority over someone or the situation is dire I never tell them to do something, I ask "will/can you X?". The vast majority of the time it is met with compliance, the rest of the time I get a plausible reason why they can't comply. I figure as long as someone is asking then the please is implied even if not explicitly stated.

[–]rpscrote 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"are you asking or telling?" I keep my tone fairly neutral but stern.

If someone pulled this on me I would instantly know they are beta, and don't get it. This is butthurt/making explicit what is implicit.

If you get it, you don't call it out. You play the game and win.

Say the magic word is subtle and reframes without seeking confrontation needlessly (e.g. compensating)

[–]tk421awol 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely correct. As long as you know what game is being played, you should never need to call it by name and explain the rules or describe your steps. This is why I love verbal judo. Asking is great, and most people comply, and it does nothing to reduce your position of power. On the receiving end of a command (even one phrased in the form of a question), re-framing with "what's the magic word" opens many possibilities, as shown by /u/SenorPuff above.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've always heard that you should try and turn most of what you say from questions to statements so I don't understand why "will/can you X?" is better that "get this..." It seems like a more effective way to impose your frame onto others.

[–]Gyissan 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the questions to statements applies to conversation, such as instead of "where are you from?" you say "I guess you're from America".

[–]rednukleus 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That phrase doesn't fit in my parlance, but if I come up with a different way of putting it, this is excellent advice if it's a woman shit testing you. I would never try to work a "please" out of another man though.

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, it just seamed weird when i used it on a male... Its all part of the learning experience, probably wont do it again

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What would you do then, when another man commands you to do something, in an environment where he is not your boss or above you? Especially in front of your girlfriend, wife, etc where social dominance is about to be determined. For me I do it all the time, even when no women present, just to maintain the habit, and prevent myself from sliding back into beta hell. In all honesty, the situation itself does not present itself very often. (or not as often as it used too)

For me, when that happens, he gets told, "I don't take orders from you, if you want my help, you need to ask."

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[–]magus678 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can't speak for everyone but I would shut this down immediately.

I'm not negotiating about things that need doing when its trivial.

People that are going to nickel and dime your social capitol and wheedle trades aren't worth my time.

[–]0xdada 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's not trivial at all, it's about power. If you aren't willing to share it or be neutral about it, then that sets the order in the relationship. People who say they "don't negotiate," are actually saying they have a limited toolkit for solving problems. It also means that they don't realize that they have lost a lot of opportunities as a result of preemptively shutting doors.

If someone is inflexible, it's because they are bullying you and you lose nothing by dropping them. It's the #1 sign of a shitty deal.

I do this all the time: if you want to figure out how much of a psycho someone is, see how much they freak out over having control/domination over something small denied. It's a good indicator of the quality of their judgment.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

amigo i think your tactic is good and the OP's tactic is good. there's a time and place for everything. i will keep both in my frame control toolbox

[–]magus678 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are concerned about power plays in trivial tasks you are the kind of person I would simply evict from my life.

You mistake me not wanting to put up with it for me not being able to.

[–]disposable_pants 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea of making a command an exchange has some merit, but I think creating a tacit exchange rather than an explicit one is a better idea.

For example, say you're at a house party. A woman asks you to grab a beer for her. An immediate exchange probably won't work anyway ("Sure, if you grab some more chips, even though I'm headed to the food/drink area myself") but a combination of OP's reframing and a later request for reciprocity would work on a number of levels:

  • She asks for a beer, you reply with OP's "What's the magic word?" Emphasize it with a joking/mock condescending tone. She says please, you go get beers.
  • You finish your beers and ask her "Pleeease would you grab this round?"
  • By jokingly exaggerating your pronunciation of "please" you're making a clear reference to her earlier request; reciprocity is a powerful bit of social conditioning so the likelihood of compliance is high.
  • Clearly implying that your request is a reciprocal action conveys the message that you won't do shit for free without jamming that message down her throat. "Just getting it" is playing the game with tact.
  • Her grabbing the second round of beers has all the frame-related benefits mentioned elsewhere and also makes her think of you more highly; friends aren't people who do favors for you, they're people you'd do favors for.
  • Calling back to a funny use of "please" creates an in-joke between the two of you; in-jokes are a shorthand reminder of the rapport you've built.

If she says, "why won't you just do things when I ask you for them?"

As OP pointed out it's unlikely that she won't at least begrudgingly say please -- maybe she'll say it like The Wolf from Pulp Fiction, but she'll say it. Holding off on immediately requesting something in exchange defuses the situation -- you get her to say please then do the small favor like it isn't a big deal, because it isn't -- without letting go of it. Delayed reciprocity sends the message that she can't take advantage of your kindness while not making a mountain out of a molehill.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"What's the magic word?" somewhat has the right ideas but doesn't re-frame much of anything. You're absolutely right about differentiating between doing things for people in charge of you and doing favors for peers/coworkers/etc.

What's better is to be teasing and slightly condescending at the same time to establish that 1) you don't take orders from people and 2) that you can brush off things without being offended.

Example: If a girl tries to get you to do something for her or buy something for you, snicker and retort, "I'm not your boyfriend." She may or may not follow up, and that would provide with an opening, should you desire one.

[–]1User-31f64a4e 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually, I sort of disagree.

What makes this so magic is that the phrase is commonly used with children who are trying to assert an invalid frame (that they can issue orders to adults.) So it re-frames her behavior by implicitly comparing it to that of a surly child. That word - surly - explains part of the magic here. Any refusal on her part means she can be regarded as surly. She's been trumped, and just has to go along.

Fucking brilliant, this whole concept of "the magic word" for dealing with bossy women.

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it all goes back to treating women like children. Children respond well to being asked for the magic word, so women will too. I put this to the test and of course it worked

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I was using the magic word line more for when something needs to be done anyway, not if I was told to buy her something or any other unnecessary commands. In that case i would definetly use your reply

[–]sunwukong155 10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but I honestly feel this shit all seems pretty bitching, whiney and pointless. If your doing work and some poles need to be put away, put the damn poles away.

If I ask you for help and you say that line with a big old grin on your face your going to come off as a petty whiney little bitch to me, but that's my opinion. There is a point where you become so obsessed with having the "alpha frame" that you start acting socially retarded, and this is an example.

Don't worry about frame so much if your not gaming someone or dealing with people professionally. If some work needs done get the fucking work done.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree. This is a pretty aspie post.

If you do this to someone, they'll know exactly what you're doing. This technique is super obvious. I've had people say this to me before and my first thought was "what a control freak"

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for sharing your opinion

[–]rpscrote 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you do this to someone, they'll know exactly what you're doing. This technique is super obvious. I've had people say this to me before and my first thought was "what a control freak"


At best you show it might not work on AMOGs... so it works on the other 95%.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, but those are the people that are going to make power plays any way. The kind of dude that this would work well on is the kind of guy who wouldn't step to you in the first place

[–]magus678 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In all these conversations and frame and alpha and whatnot it's tough because it just doesn't break down to words easily.

A poster above mentioned telling his gf they were going to such and such, plan accordingly. Maybe it got carried off better than it sounds. It sounds lame to me though.

[–]kingnutter 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have occasionally used something similar when shop assistants ask for money rudely without a please. I just say "I didn't quite hear that" and "No" until they realise the magic word is required.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

saying "no" wasn't really an option, it would have made me just seem like a dick, and not a "hot alpha asshole" but more like the "screw that guy he doesn't pull hos own weight and no one likes him" type asshole

I'm really glad you touched on this. I was ready to see "I don't do shit for anyone, bro" all over the comments.

There's a small group of TRP that needs to realize that not everyone in social situations is impinging on your freedom, and that you can still be practicing TRP while also looking and acting like a relatively normal person. In fact, that's the correct way to do it for optimal results (IMO).

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's a small group of TRP that needs to realize that not everyone in social situations is impinging on your freedom

The most alpha of males can be magnanimous. He can do you a favor if you understand that he isn't there to be your servant. Imagine an archetypical father figure. If you're really in a pinch and need $100 if you ask politely of course he'd help you out -- it's still crystal clear that he's not just going to start shoveling money your way and if he ever asks you for something in the future you're absolutely going to comply.

Showing that you're willing and able to do favors isn't the challenge, the challenge is making it clear that what you're doing is a favor, done out of your own good nature, and not simply complying with a request. Reframing the request (what OP's describing), doing it like it isn't a big deal because it isn't (alphas don't get their panties in a bunch over the small stuff), and then asking for a small favor in the near future is far preferable to puffing out your chest and refusing something so innocuous.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya. 48 Laws is all about playing the social game but being both much better and extremely intentional about it.

[–]elili 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome advice, however, what happens when someone asks YOU for the magic word?

[–]garlicextract 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Now be smart, if my boss had come over and told me to get ice, i simply would have done it. If you are commanded to do something by a boss/professor/doctor/person who is actually in charge of you, don't ask for the magic word, just do it.

DING DING DING we have a winner. Unlike previous TRP Classics such as "Follow a line of bricks and do not move even if the pope/president/pregnant lady is in your way" and "NEVER smile or laugh EVER it shows weakness" we have a guy with a brain making a post.

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No you must be ALWAYS Alpha even if it means losing your job!!! Alphas shit crisp Benjamin Franklin every morning who needs a stinking income!!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've had it used against me before, but I have my magic bullet defense.

[–]calloberjig 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

abraca-fucking-do-it-now bitch!

[–]MHOOD01 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like this more than the said playfully line, just say the line and smile, don't get all feminine sounding, and the "now now, manners manners". That's goofy as fuck in my opinion.

Saying what you said is commanding and funny.

[–]Timdotz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone: 'Excuse me.'

Me: 'You're excused.'

When I'm doing a chore: 'Wash the dishes.'

Them: 'ok.'

(They can't complain because it looks unreasonable as I'm doing work.'

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

ff I tell you to do something and you demand a please, you are still doing what I told you too. You are following my order you are only rationalizing that you are doing it on your terms. A practical thinking person sees the situation like this:

I want x done by y. Now that person will do what he has to, to make it happen. Saying please is a cheap price to pay. It's just a word it doesn't even have to he genuine...

[–]disposable_pants 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP is talking about small favors -- stuff so insignificant the principle is more important than the action itself. In OP's example he was commanded to put away poles that he was already putting away. It's not a big deal and will get done anyway with little to no effort from OP. He has three ways to handle it:

  • Just say yes and do it. Not optimal as it shows acceptance of a command.
  • Say no, humorously or otherwise, and don't do it. Sure, it shows he won't accept a command, but that benefit is trumped by looking like an asshole who won't lift a finger and who gets bent out of shape over little things.
  • Ask for the magic word, get it, and do it. Optimal solution -- shows unwillingness to accept commands, shows OP treats little things like little things, and shows humor/personality.

Who cares who puts the poles away? If OP can raise his status simply by getting some girl to pay the cheap price of saying please, that should be the focus.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me, the biggest thing I've had to force myself to do is to issue commands or make decisions instead of getting consensus first. It's my natural instinct to ask questions and elicit opinions first, and then go with those.

Now I take the time to think through the situation, and tell people what's going to happen: What I'm going to do, and what they need to do to prepare for it.

For instance, I have a friend dj'ing tonight downtown. I think it would be cool for my gf and I to go. So I tell her a couple of days ago, "We're going out on Tuesday night, and you'll need to plan accordingly". She responds with "I'm available from 5:30 to 8". I say "The event doesn't start until 9". She then plans accordingly, so that she gets stuff done by 8:30, when I'm going to pick her up. If she suddenly decides at the last minute that she doesn't want to go, it's no big deal to me. I'm going to hang out with my friend and have a great time. Maybe I'll meet someone new while I'm out.

I have to do more work to be the alpha here. I have to plan fun stuff and take advantage of opportunities as they appear. I can't just hang out and watch TV or play computer games. I have to be active. But the work has its rewards. This girl wants sex EVERY time I'm up for it. I blew out my shoulder shoveling snow yesterday (bench my weight for the first time in 20 years, no problem!, shovel snow: ouch), so tonight she's going to have to get creative. I'll tell her, and let those fantasies run.

[–]cascadecombo 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the magic word?

I've always been a fan of using this as the Go-to. I've actually had one girl just stop talking when I said that in reply to her telling me to hold her bags. She continued to hold them and complain how heavy they were after a few times I got the fact out of her that she didn't want to lose.

Well, I don't lose so she enjoyed the workout that day.

[–]Apanthropos 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every situation is different. I am more focused on what gave the impression to my peers that they can order me around. How long do these people know me? Do I come off as a guy who is usually pushed around? Have I ever said NO to their requests? What is the worst thing that could happen If I did? Did you know that sometimes you gain respect by saying NO?

Is it malicious, to impress a girl or is it something done without thought. Have I ordered them back in the past and complied?

[–]binglebongledingle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

For me, it was because this was a group i had known for a long time, who knew me during my beta years, so they still attempt to order me around every now and then. I've pretty much put a stop to it, but occasionally someone will command me to do something, and that is when i subtly let them know i'm not the beta I once was

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I tell my girlfriend "maybe if you ask me nicely I might". Or if I can tell she's really trying to test me "sorry, were you asking me politely to do something? Or telling me. Because if you're telling me, then it's definitely not happening". She has told me straight up that she is attracted to authority figures and loves it when I respond that way, or just put my foot down about anything in general.

[–]proof_TRP_works 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like to also use "What do you say..." and pause while looking at the person. Its on the rare occasion that a female coworker will do this to me, last person that did try to tell me what to do was a girl in the military with an inflated sense of SMV, she then would always ASK me to do something instead of trying to tell me to.

[–]S74RK 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great tactical post. Social frame reversals are pretty powerful, but yes, don't be saying this to your boss.

We should compile lists of similar techniques.

[–]christianfd 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any of you whom got some sources I can read up on regarding the term frame? How it works, how you use it, etc.

Also, regarding the sidebar material should one just start from the top? I've been following the 'hot' topics and this alone has caused me to revise my thought process and the way I perceive things.

[–]apackofwankers 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was drinking a couple of bottles of wine with my russian neighbour. She finishes her glass and is handing the bottle to me, saying here take it, pour me another glass.

I just look at her blankly and unmoving, letting it sink in that she is putting more effort into getting me to do it, than if she had simply poured herself another glass.

Eventually, I say "I'm not your slave"

She tells me "you are not a gentleman". Too right, bitch.

[–]1Revo_Luzione 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've used the "what's the magic word?", and still use it on occasion.

My favorite when a woman attempts to grab the frame by issuing a command.

"Bossy, aren't you?" or "OK, bossypants."

And then I do the opposite, or I do nothing.

Usually then she'll be really sweet, ask nicely, and then I'll make a big production out of doing whatever she asked.

Another favorite is when she commands something, with a trailing question, which is usually something like:

"Hey, go get my laundry, will you?"

And to which I reply: "No." <smirk>

or my favorite: "That will cost you 34,236 blowjobs." Specific large numbers help.

Then I do that thing she asked, and then whip out my schlong, proclaiming "I'm here to collect a partial payment. You have quite a large balance with me and need to begin working it off ASAP."

Basically I automatically respond with a humorously difficult, teasing frame anyone who asks anything of me unless they're a client, a good male friend, or my father. If it's a woman I'm banging or want to bang, I add in extra sexualization.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I am surprised at the responses you got on this, it runs the whole gamut from great point to stupid idea. I think it's a good post myself. Personally, I go with this: her: "hey, put these poles in the shed" me: "no, you are perfectly capable of doing that yourself." (note: if you are new to the red pill, she will be stunned when you do this the first few times, and confused, and will start a shit test storm for you to pass, so get ready) The trick is to not get mad, angry, just say no, you are perfectly capable of doing that yourself, and go back to whatever you were doing. That being said, I will use the "say please" as well, if it's "borderline" so to speak. A lot of it comes down to her tone and how she asks and the context. If I'm doing nothing, and she's got her hands full and asks me "can you put these poles in the shed please", I will do it. It all comes down to identifying if it's a shit test, and slapping it down if you need to.

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"no, you are perfectly capable of doing that yourself.

have you ever tried this in real life? This doesn't work for shit tests. This is beta overexplanation / sperging. Agree and Amplify, Terse Command/pressure flip ("say the magic word"), "No," Ignore are proper responses.

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Yes I have done it in real life, and it works well for shit tests. I don't see how anyone can think a one liner, delivered in a calm way, can be construed as "overexplanation/sperging". You are entitled to have your own opinion, but I think you have a lot to learn if you are confusing my reply with "beta".

[–]rpscrote 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it might be in the tone. agree to disagree

[–]TekkomanKingz 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is beta fever on here, anytime someone disagrees "You're a BETA!!!!"

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You:"What's the magic word?"


You:"Nope, wrong magic word. You get two more guesses."

She guesses wrong two more times.

You: "Aww, tough luck, I guess it's your turn. Better luck next time!" grins

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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