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Apparently, expecting from women actual contributions if they want to subsequently deserve and earn higher offices and higher status, instead of giving them the bux just "because-feminism", is misogyny and inequality

October 10, 2014

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Title Apparently, expecting from women actual contributions if they want to subsequently deserve and earn higher offices and higher status, instead of giving them the bux just "because-feminism", is misogyny and inequality
Author cooltrip
Upvotes 16
Comments 19
Date October 10, 2014 11:18 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]2IVIaskerade26 points27 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Oh look, a Salon article that's absolute shit. In other news, the world continues to rotate and the sky is still blue.

Could we get a moratorium on posts that are just a hyperlink and a few lines of text? If people have to put actual effort into their posts we might see some improvement round here.

On the other hand, Cooltrip deserves elevation above the masses for using Archive.today, setting a good example that certain people should follow.

Also, this article does have one thing right - if you just sit back and for your raise instead of negotiating, you won't be getting what you want, and to tell women otherwise is bad advice.

[–]1kick60 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

caveat: assuming you're only mediocre at your job. If you're a standout, you'll get promotions and raises without asking for them because the company will want to capitalize on your talent instead of you taking your talent and going elsewhere.

From that prospective, I understand where OP is coming from. There's little in the article about being bad ass at your job, and a lot about simply asking for raises because you want raises. Everyone wants raises, the ones that get them happen to also be standouts...and they gloss over this fact.

[–]2johnnight1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I once got a 16% raise without asking for it. I had unique skills (STEM) and have made a key component of a project that nobody in the whole organisation would be able to do. I think the raise was to keep me around, when they needed to do the same stuff again.

Caveat: not a for-profit corporation. A corporation would have fucked me over and pocketed the gain.

[–]1kick61 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fascinating. I've only asked for a raise once in my career, and it was when I had one foot out the door. Somehow I've managed to triple my salary in a 10 year career...

[–]2IVIaskerade0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you implying that the wimminz aren't stand-out just because they're wimminz? How musojinist of you.

[–]1kick62 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know, I'm terrible. As pennance, I will tell 10 fatties they're beautiful.

[–]cooltrip[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanx! I was already starting to think no one would get it!

[–]1Dev_on-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was hoping for a few of those

rage bait articles, and rage afterwards
evolutionary biology, poorly thought out armchair theories
and of course, links to 2xx stuff, rage bait, but without the article

[–]BluebirdJingle11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Fucking Christ. Who wrote this?

don’t dress “slutty” — which in itself is problematic because it places the onus on women to correct the culturally entrenched male dominance in workplaces.

Yes. Other people are responsible for you not wearing a mini skirt and a top which exposes your edgy belly button piercing.

But how are you reading your excessively polemic title into this? Telling people not to ask for raises is shitty advice all around. The system isn't going to magically give you more money if you don't demand it. There's no mention of deserving those raises or not working for them. Sure, she predictably had to mention the "pay gap", but the rest of the article still stands. Nadella is giving horrible advice and basing it off of what seems to be spiritualism and mysticism (CEOs have no business using terms like "karma" in an official capacity).

[–]1aguy011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Showing cleavage should be considered sexual harassment. If I let half my balls dangle out I'd be fired in an instant. That would hurt womens ability to slut their way up the ladder though.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, we need to have standards for women and consequences that hurt when they fail to meet them. As men always have.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm tired of the whole female empowerment bullshit in the workplace. The idea is that women are meek little flowers in the office that are afraid to speak out and they go unnoticed.

What I've noticed in several positions across different industries is that women are more than noticed- they're impossible to ignore. They talk over other people in meetings, they push to be included in projects they don't add to and in one job they even shouted personal information across the room that would get a man fired on the spot. Let's stop the myth the women in the workplace are quiet and go unnoticed. It should be quiet down, stop making a fool of yourself and show some dignity. Make your work speak for yourself.

A lot of times at jobs I feel like women that needed congratulations on projects is like the kid with the worst drawing in art class; "Don't cry, we'll put your pretty picture on the wall with all the others so parents can see it."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if I had to hire a lot of women because of social pressure, I too would at least encourage them to not ask for raises.

[–]krakosia0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Regardless of whether the advice is good or bad Satya should be smarter than speaking in public and stating contrarian opinions and advice like this. Whatever you do inside the company behind closed doors with trusted lieutenants is your prerogative but when speaking in public as a representative of a huge profile comment it is best to tow the popular line. Now this statement is what he is gonna be known for in the first year at the job regardless of how well he does. And if he does badly the headline is going to be "not only does satya have bad advice for women he is also terrible at being ceo". Lose lose proposition.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I respect him for saying what a lot of men, and even competent women, are probably thinking.

I would be more interested in working at Microsoft because of his attitude.

[–]AngraMainyuu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, I see NOTHING wrong with criticizing the dude's advice to just "trust in the system". Its not about equality, its about digging for your higher wage. If you can get yourself paid more, then do so. The economy isn't about equal pay for equal work, gender or no gender, its never been about that. Demand what you believe you deserve, and if you can't get it a the company you're at start looking around.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the new boss of Microsoft. He's telling women that they won't get ahead by being obnoxious and Leaning In. They have to retreat and behave properly, as do men.

[–]namae_nanka0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL 2014's Larry Summers, has already grovelled, let's see if he earmarks a few million dollas for the wimminz like uncle larry.

[–]pheonixignition0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What the hell? Dude, I don't know where you're pulling your title from, but I'm not seeing that at all. That is something everyone should be doing, not just women.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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