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Cartoon from 1943 about reason vs emotion

July 14, 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvr28-5QKw

It's kind of an interesting parallel to the issues we face today with 3rd wave feminism, reason has been removed from the thought process as emotions run unchecked, and the result is disaster. The hatred this sub gets is another perfect example of "feelz over reelz" and if things continue going the way of emotionally driven nonsense then we are all fucked.

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Title Cartoon from 1943 about reason vs emotion
Author jobs33ker
Upvotes 32
Comments 16
Date July 14, 2014 12:16 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There was actually psychological experiments- which of course today would never happen because they'd be considered barbaric- conducted after WW2 to try and make sense of why Germany which- for the time- was by far the most well educated country in Europe could descend into national socialism and it's vices- the camps, slave labor, war crimes, and so on.

Basically people were told they were conducting experiments to see the effects of electrical currents on learning and after being told what the dial did in terms of the strength of the electrical current- ranging from a mild tingle to potentially lethal dosages- were told that all they really needed to do was administer the correct dosage when told.

Strangely the statistical spread wasn't down the line with intellect. Very intelligent people were just as likely as back country yokels of administering lethal dosages (mind you- the people who were "hooked up" to the experiment and being electrocuted were just actors) provided they were told to do so. Ironically it was the people who most openly disagreed with authority figures- people who today would be branded as anti-social and anti-authority in schools before being hauled in front of a psychiatrist for evaluation and if they were a quack, medication- who were the least likely to administer lethal dosages when ordered to.

And that immediately should tell you one of the biggest reasons not to have kids in this day and age- we've put man on the moon, we can fit an entire library in a computer, we've unraveled the human genome, and we can land fully operational robots on Mars, but for some bizzare reason we've not really taken education out of an era where there was a genuine question as to the value of compulsory education, and the folks who devised the modern system were Prussians.

Which would be like putting Dworkin in charge of male prisons in the US.

People tend to dislike this sub because they either can't take the time to filter language this subreddit doesn't feel as necessary to filter into fluffy PC terms itself, and because they like their own little echo chambers where their views are never challenged, and only reinforced.

Does that happen here as well? Absolutely. I am sort of tempted to write a thread on the "phases" of Red Pill if I can find a way to not make it sound pretentious as all hell but one (or two) of the phases would be, "Mad at women" and "mad at world." People who are new to red pill, people who have had most of their advice regarding women, dating, the whole nine yards, sourced from TV, movies and old people who dated when condoms were still things only sailors wore and medication to control periods was new, and have only just now realized it was all nonsense. Understandably they're going to be mad. Anyone who just got told they'd spent the last X years with a bag on their head is understandably going to be. And every time I see someone chattering off about how all women are sluts, disloyal, whatever, I do kind of have to assume they're not terribly far into this whole "Red Pill" thing.

For one, sluts are common. There's plenty of male sluts too- we're just not talking about it terribly often because it's not really our wheel house. Second, Red Pill isn't just empty truths about how the world works- that's only going half way. The other half is the stuff you can't really write about- finding people who are right for you- both male and female- and learning to sort the poisons from the nectar. Learning to sort your legitimate friends from people who can only claim as much because they genuinely do not like the idea of upsetting someone. Red Pill will take the blinders off you, but what you do from there is entirely on you. If you want to take the "juggalo" route and become a caricature of what you see the world for, that's your call, but kind of like how we expect children to grow out of things, it is kind of an unspoken rule that in Red Pill you do eventually stop using it's methodology to spot women who would make easy pickings, and eventually either put you hand down on the table, or to just leave the casino.

This entire idea that Red Pill spends most of it's time talking about what it knows something about really does bother a lot of people because we won't stand there and tell people what they should make their final destination. Because that, that would be creating an ubermensch. We're not in the business of making ubermensch. The actual goal is MGTOW- and not the basement dwelling stereotype but rather men who do their own thing, and do not need to go out of their way to find women, or base their life around finding women, do not crave the attention and company of women, but should they (or just she) come into their, so much the better. Or at least that's my 2 cents. Red Pill isn't a race or a series of stations or a series of events. There's no sense of failure for only going half way, and at the end of the day you could do a lot worse than being 40, well off, fit, and spending every night with a different woman (or a a consistent woman) in your bed. This lack of rigid structure bothers a lot of people.

[–]da-way7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

but for some bizzare reason we've not really taken education out of an era where there was a genuine question as to the value of compulsory education, and the folks who devised the modern system were Prussians.

This is the most important sentence in that entire thing and here's why:

The new education must consist essentially in this, that it completely destroys freedom of will in the soil which it undertakes to cultivate, and produces on the contrary strict necessity in the decisions of the will, the opposite being impossible. Such a will can henceforth be relied on with confidence and certainty. -Johann Gottlieb Fichte

Johann Gottlieb Fichte was one of the main architects of the education system that we now use. It's stated purpose was to create soldiers/people who unthinkingly follow orders. To understand why this happened it is important to look to the historical climate at the time (edit: around 1815).

Now to understand what was going on we have to go a bit further back. Up until the French revolution war in Europe was something that was something a kin to fox hunting. It was a highly civilized affair and the goal was to outmaneuver the opponent and put him in a losing position whilst killing as few men as possible. Then there was a party afterward and everyone had cake.

Back to France. After the Revolution the monarchs of Europe saw events in France as a dangerous president. They gathered their armies (often mercenaries) and attacked to quash the fledgeling democracy. The French response to this was a nation wide draft and became the first nation in ever to engage in total war.

(The practice of the times was that you have few, well trained and well disciplined soldiers to do your fighting for you because if you don't want to put weapons in the hands of people you are in effect oppressing. This was not a problem that democratic France faced however, it's problem was that all those professional armies were knocking on it's doors. and so out of desperation France was forced to reinvent war.)

The French suffered early on but soon competent generals (enter stage right: Napoleon) and overwhelming numbers won the day. Napoleon became popular enough to name himself king(ohh the irony) and decided that the French flag should we waving over all of Europe.

Side note, Napoleon is famous for saying "You cannot stop me - I spend 30,000 men a month" . This illustrates beautifully how he changed the game as only a few decades earlier it was considered rude to kill the opponents soldiers.

Later Napoleon was defeated by the British and the Prussians(who had the most elite army in Europe, for more on that read up on Frederick the Great) and the rest is, as they say, history.

Now, what does this have to do with the education system you ask? Well, Napoleon had scared the monarchs of Europe, he had changed the game and they would have to change with it. They needed big national armies (is it coincidence that Nationalism starts booming right at this time? Ahh nationalism, almost as good as religion) and you need to be able to trust that soldiers will follow orders. Enter stage left: Johann Gottlieb Fichte (you had forgotten about him, right?). He architected a system of schooling that would guarantee the German people good soldiers, and it worked (think Bismarck's wars, and the two world wars.) that system was later adopted by the western world and later the whole world.

Now you might be wondering: "why was the system was perpetuated and kept around?". Well, because: Industrialization. If you want people to be a bunch of interchangeable cogs then you can't beat the school system and boy were the factory owners happy with that. (Interchangeable cogs is not however what the knowledge economy wants or needs.)

Time crawled on and the system became more and more entrenched becoming one of the biggest employers in any state (isn't government swell). Time changed more and pressure mounted to change it but no matter how you change it it is still a deeply flawed system, at least if you think of it as an education system. It is a marvelous system of indoctrination but education...not so much. So time has come to dismantle the inaccurately named education system and replace that bastard of the enlightenment with something more enlightened.

tl;dr: Once a high ranking member of the Chinese communist party was asked what he thought the effects of the french revolution were. He replied: "It's to early to tell". In other words School sucks now because the French didn't want to eat cake rebelled in 1789 and it's to early to tell what will happen in the future.

For those interested read Dumbing us down by John Taylor Gatto. The following is a speech he gave whilst accepting "Best teacher in New York State" award

Edit: links 'n' stuff

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am sort of tempted to write a thread on the "phases" of Red Pill

Might find this interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1x0gln/the_five_stages_of_red_pill_and_how_to_read_rtrp/

[–]Alex_is_not_on_fire0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is only part of your post, but are saying that we should do away with compulsory education, or that we should be skeptical of it while retaining it?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't like the idea of mandatory education, but more than that I don't like the three lane system where you're either super gifted and have everything catered to you, or you're criminally average, or you must just be absolutely retarded so we're going to teach things 4 grade levels below you.

One of the few things I like about Europe is the idea that when you hit high school you're given the choice- in some states- between a very academic high school, or going to a trade oriented high school.

In the US we have a large and growing population of people who graduate with a worthless high school diploma who must then enter minimum wage hell because high school- a state run institution- taught them nothing useful, and actually went out of it's way to take out "nonacademic" classes like shop. All the maintenance workers I work with at my job who are older had their first job experience in high school shop classes. It's virtually impossible to find anyone to replace them now because there are simply no young people who want the job, because none of them have experience.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ike the idea of mandatory education, but more than that I don't like the three lane system where you're either super gifted and have everything catered to you, or you're criminally average, or you must just be absolutely retarded so we're going to teach things 4 grade levels below you.

One of the few things I like about Europe is the idea that when you hit high school you're given the choice- in some states- between a very academic high school, or going to a trade oriented high school.

In the US we have a large and growing population of people who graduate with a worthless high school diploma who must then enter minimum wage hell because high school- a state run institution- taught them nothing useful, and actually went out of it's way to take out "nonacademic" classes like shop. All the maintenance workers I work with at my job who are older had their first job experience in high school shop classes. It's virtually impossible to find anyone to replace them now because there are simply no young peo

yeah trade schools are pretty good in terms of outcome fresh out of the school. a shame I didn't go into one. I could always enter uni independently, while having more money.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything the state does is immoral.

Everything it says is a lie, and everything it has, it has stolen. -Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

The only way I see having max freedom is by dismantling of the state, but this is even more entrenched than blue pill. Until you understand that the state is evil, because it initiates force, you are kinda still lost. I think the natural evolution of red pill is anarchocapitalism. The state is just people in costumes who will rob you, they are the ultimate alpha male, and they will always favor women. I think it was aristotle or socrates who wrote that slaves and women hate freedom, and they would turn against free people to get more.

Basically people live as animals, they don't understand that a gain for them isn't good, only net gains (aka trade) are good. To steal from another by using the state to take taxes is no different than robbing someone. Until people understand this and morally condemn it we will never be free and we can never make women act better (as a whole, not just us red pillers).

[–]Fzed6000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

US presidents have used US disasters as a way to enter war. The Lusitania and 9/11 as two examples. That would have been a better use than Hitler.

[–]PoopSmearMoustache0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There was some profound use of propaganda causing mass hysteria in Germany that just had to be harnessed or it would have imploded. Yet on the other side of the coin capitalism's pursuit of happiness is in much the same way manipulation, just using an apparently more noble set of emotions tied to a different style of monetary policy and national expansion scheme.

On the sexual strategy side, women being a dependable life partner and both parents being a unique pillar in a tight nit family used to be the main incentive for men to work in any system. Women now experience no disincentive for living completely emotional in relative luxury and that surely is going to affect the western way of life if men stop to question their role as castrated work horse about to be phased out by machines.

Though, looking at how such simple modern stimulants are currently addicting young men minds I'm really not holding my breath for a red pill uprising.

[–]rockumsockumrobots1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, that seemed an awful lot like propaganda to me. After all, would reason drop an atomic bomb on a japanese city with women and children?

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[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, study up on anarchocapitalism.

We really can't allow women to vote, they just fuck everything up, so lets get rid of the state and the alpha male who fucks us all. Until we have free market merit won't matter, just thugs and quotas. The only other solution is to alter women's genes so they aren't cunts, but that will take a long time to figure out, removing the state is the best way to get women to stop acting like retards.

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