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Contemporary US Policy Professor says she wants to talk MRA/TRP with me...

March 11, 2014
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I have no problem arguing MRA with a feminist professor, but I also want to see what RP truths I can slip in without coming out as a "woman hater" .

I usually keep my mouth shut, but early on in the semester I challenged her (after class, not in front of everyone) about some topics regarding women in the labor force. We're on perfectly good terms, talk sometimes after class about other shit and so on. But now she wants to meet with me about discussing MRA stuff because she doesn't know a lot about it and is interested in what I have to say.

I'm trying to discern what would be appropriate TRP logics to talk about. I don't want to bring in socio-biology (since as much as I appreciate it, and most of it is accurate, some of what we talk about can be considered pseudo-science that I can't bring into an academic discussion) but other aspects of the philosophy would be interesting to me.

I'm a MGTOW, been like that for nearly a year now, but would love to see how this pans out with my prof. Any help would be appreciated and if anything interesting comes of it, I'll follow up.

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Title Contemporary US Policy Professor says she wants to talk MRA/TRP with me...
Author DeckofLuckyStrikes
Upvotes 28
Comments 52
Date March 11, 2014 4:18 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]RedSpectrum 26 points26 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Tread lightly.

Maybe talk about divorce, alimony, child rearing. Dispelling the wage gap would be nice too.

If I were in your position, I would also take about the millennial generation and how vain, narcissistic, and entitled we are. Yes, women our age display these characteristics overwhelmingly but I see many of our fellow male peers following suit.

Keep sociobiology to a minimum, she might not know the physical sciences that well.

But again, tread VERY lightly. I would not personally challenge a professor to a full on debate and it already sounds like you want to go in full force.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus37 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

K first off this is a trap. I argue with people all the time. It's a hobby for me like drinking is for other people. When someone says they want to sit down with you and talk about opposing ideas because they are genuinely interested in something they don't agree with, they are fucking lying to you. They want to lull you into a false sense of a friendly meeting and she is going to try to squash you with everything she has. If you think you are prepared enough for a professor then be my guest, but don't go into this thinking she isn't prepared and completely knowledgeable about what you are going to tell her.

Like gaylubeoil said. This is going to be a huge waste of time to talk to her about this. Nothing you say is going to change her mind. She makes a living teaching this shit. She isn't going to change that because you bring up alpha fux/beta bux

[–]sir_wankalot_here7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In her case the trap is more profitable. Expect her to take everything that OP says out of context, and then write a paper on it. Then she can get more funding to teach why all men are rapists and should be castrated.

You have nothing to gain, she has everything to gain. A stupid bet.

[–]vaker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Admitting the validity of OP's arguments would threaten her livelihood as a feminist professor.

Going into such a discussion in today's academic environment (hostile to males) with a person that has power over OP, and a personal stake is an extremely bad idea.

[–]MasterHordorBaggins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yah. It's a trap bro. leave it, it doesn't get you laid, it doesn't get you paid, it doesn't get you grades. It doesn't help your friends or family. Why waste your time? What's in it for you besides stroking your own ego?

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil51 points52 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a huge waste of time.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed.

[–]1AfterC9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't do it over email, either. She can turn hard copy evidence against you if push comes to shove.

[–]FinnianWhitefir2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Adam Carolla goes off on "If it doesn't make you money and it doesn't provide you satisfaction, don't do it". There is no chance OP gets either from this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, she's a professor. Right or wrong, she's going to wreck OP in this discussion. If she wants to be mean she can take it out on him academically. If she is polite and constructive, she'll still win the argument by virtue of being better informed and more skilled.

I think OP should go anyway, and hear out the professor's point of view. He should not see it as a discussion, but as a private lecture with a Q and A. He should bring up his concerns, and settle on "he'll have to think about it."

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She has no interest in learning anything. She is only looking to break you down and convert you to feminism. And if you refuse to capitulate, she will find a way to punish you.

Be very fucking careful.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a Trap.

Do not engage.

[–]RedPillJohnny5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. As a "professor" she has access to all of the information that she is sincerely and innocently wanting to talk to you about. If your grades are at stake I wouldn't engage her for a second. Perhaps after the course is over and you have your properly deserved grade, you could talk to her...but only as an experiment and only to gleen information from the experience. And no matter what...if she gave you anything less than an A for this course, you WILL blame her for a lower mark...I wouldn't take the chance.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bad idea OP.

Considering the subject matter and the fact that the professor is a woman I guarantee you she will take it personally to some degree. And she then proceed to wreck your GPA.

[–]Lord_Perseus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you going to go thru with this some friendly advice

1) Bring your A game, be well versed on as many RP concepts as possible. Knowledge is power

2) Bring something to record your meeting. Video if possible but certainly an audio recording to protect yourself in case she, more likely than not, tries to misrepresent & smear you. If she refuses to let you record your meeting back out then & there.

3) Maintain frame. Root your opinions & views in reason & logic. DO not get emotional, do not rise to the bait when she inevitably tries to use shaming language & ad hominems to put you down.

4) Limit yourself on what information you use in responding to her inquiries. Use quantifiable, documented facts i.e. statistics about education health the judicial system, employment etc. Avoid completely or as much as possible that which is anecdotal or theoretical, stuff like evo psych for example. If you get into a battle of anecdotes with a feminazi, you will always lose.

Good luck

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do NOT meet with this person if she is currently your instructor. Nothing good can come of that.

If she is not your current instructor she may be hitting on you (LOL a feminist and a MGTOW).

Hypergamy is something I would avoid as it will explode her hamster. I would avoid "Hamster" as well.

Stick with the basics- men and women are actually different with different sexual agendas (Men want pussy; women want relationships, and dick- maybe soften that a bit). Evolutionary biology conditioned women to go after the strongest male. Why DO girls always seem to go for the bad guy who doesn't care about them? The rules of sexual attraction will melt her little PhD hamster. $100.00 on the table right now says she will cry "NAWALT." Tread lightly on Alpha/Beta but I think you have to go there. MRA issues are wide open and probably your best bet although I would avoid terms like "Vaginamony" and divorce court "rape" as purely descriptive as they are to us.

[–]nsfsoul4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to debate her then you should absolutely do it. But...do it after you've finished the class and gotten your final mark. That way she won't be in a position of power over you where she can hurt your grade if she doesn't like what you have to say. You'll be able to have the debate on even ground. I had a feminist sociology teacher who would mysteriously dock points from me on days I disagreed with her philosophies.

[–]CarlsPudding4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does she? Does she really? To what end?

[–]ModAerobus4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since this is a professor, you must take great care to make sure you don't piss her off. That said

  • If you are going to make a claim, have a news article that cites a study validated by the scientific study that reports that your claim is true OR have the scientific study itself
  • Anecdotes can supplement your argument, but they cannot be the crux of your argument. You need factual evidence.
  • Pay very careful attention to your tone and diction. You can't afford to misspeak and have her hamster that you actually meant whatever you happened to misspoke. In addition, phrase your dialogue to have as neutral of a tone as possible so that what you're saying sounds more objective (and therefore scientific) instead of subjective (and therefore not scientific)
  • In addition to above, rehearse your arguments so that you are able to communicate clearly when it matters.
  • Do not get emotional. Even if she hamsters that the wage gap exists when you present her proof that it doesn't (e.g.), do not get emotional. Hold yourself to a higher standard than you hold her. This shouldn't be too hard for you, however, considering that you're a man and she's a woman.
  • Plan out responses to possible counterarguments. There is a very high chance that she feels passionately about this topic, and if she does, there is a very high chance she will come at you with everything she has.
  • Lastly, if there is an audience of some sort, or if this will be recorded and later shown to an audience, remember: you're not arguing to change her view. Her view is not going to change. Your hear to show the audience that you are correct, not her, and the reason you are correct is because of your scientific studies.

[–]LostProsody2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Information is a google search away. There is just no possibility that she does not have ulterior motives here. They could be nefarious or she might not be able to stop flicking that clit to you. Either way the best case scenario is that you bang a professor, which for her will be something that could get her fired and therefore unlikely. Worst case scenario is your grade gets shit canned, you get to have a chat with the dean, or any other number of xyz bad shit you can come up with. As a man make the logical rational decision here. Bang her after the semester is over.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All you are gonna do is piss her off and hurt yourself. I think all redpill/MGTOW needs to be off the books and never discussed lightly in public ESPECIALLY at work or school where you can have people ruin your life.

I guess you are MRA but why be MRA? I guess try but what we need to be... like water. They can cut us up, seperate us, and try to condition us but we will never be anything else but water. When we try to argue and try to do things officially we lose all power imo.

Being right isn't important, just get your degree and nod. Don't try to educate people (women, strangers) just be red pill. Once you are out from under their power then you can destroy them, but not before, not ever before. And remember if you want to fight this war it will be long and hard. I personally don't, and don't see politics as a solution, sorry. But I wish you best of luck and hope you succeed.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Game her, fuck her, then unload the info.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably what she's hoping for... The fact he can stand up to her feminist shit testing makes her wet.

[–]vaker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

  • She's a feminist professor ... probably lesbian.

  • He risks getting kicked out of college. (esp in today's environment) Not worth it. There's plenty of pussy elsewhere.

[–]GWBuffalo1847-3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wanted to post this, glad I read through first

[–]87GNX5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]milqueshack1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want to help her understand your perspective, you might talk about how the expectations & standards of masculinity can often be harmful towards men the same way that the expectations & standards of femininity can often be harmful towards women. Society expects certain things of men that aren't always fair or achievable (in re: physical appearance, wealth, stoicism) and failure to live up to them is cast as failure to be sufficiently masculine. It follows that the same can be said of women and femininity. Women are expected to excel in the domestic realm and be naturally excellent caregivers, but the diversity of women in the world (reminder: half the population) tells us that the same character traits cannot possibly be held by all women (or all men, as it follows). She will probably follow this up by suggesting that the stakes are higher when women fail to live up to these expectations (I would agree) BUT you can absolutely make a strong case that the stakes are just as high for men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bring up Warren Farrell and maybe whats-her-face... the one whose dog got killed.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As others have said, it's a trap. Tell her that you have better things to do than argue with people who have no intellectual honestly.

[–]frazzleddd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no win in this situation. Abandon ship

[–]ozymodeus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Number one most important thing. RECORD IT! check your local laws, if she doesnt need to know dont tell her. then share it with us so we can critique your methods.

Do your best to stick to clearly objectively provable facts. Like the wage gap myth and that there are literally zero rights that men have that women dont while women have a couple men dont.

Also if you have time do some research on "disarming" sales tactics/game, and do your best to frame everything from a "feminism oppresses women" perspective.

[–]FortunateBum0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never trust a woman who has power or leverage over you. The fact that she's a professor might lessen the odds, but you know by now that you're dealing with an emotional creature. A male professor who dislikes or thinks lowly for a student (for whatever reason) would never swoop so low as to give me a lower grade than deserved. A female teacher...debatable. I've personally had shitty grades with 3 specific teachers despite being a very good student overall. These were all feminist teachers who picked up on my inclinations some way or another. Whether it be hitting on the cute girls from her class, or debating some gender topics.

[–]rdaily2070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does she have big tits?

[–]Clauderoughly-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a MGTOW, been like that for nearly a year now

You're worst kind of person to be representing us.

[–]1 Endorsed Contributormordanus8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're so mean claude

[–]positiveeagle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminist movement is a way for unattractive women to deal with their self esteem issues. She's not interested in you telling her that she deserves less self esteem. She's there to rationalize her own needs through your words. If she's smart she won't try and change you unless you are weak minded.

There's 2 kinds of approaches: one is the slow and steady route where you slowly broach her walls, and the truth is brought in slowly. Then there's the fun way: taking a giant battering ram and busting down the doors to the castle so truth can come rushing in.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

GLO is probably right. However. People in academia are often (not always) curious. So there may be an opportunity here. I would make the first meeting kinda short - no more than 20 min. I would try to find out first of all, what kinds of evidence she finds convincing, (suggest some alternatives; various anecdotal, evo-psych, socio-biology, psycho-physiology, etc.) and in a very, very subtle manner, try to find out what she hopes to gain from hearing your viewpoint. Maybe even joke about how you hope this doesn't show up in your grade, and watch, watch, watch her response. This should take up most of that time. After this, re-group and use this info for your next meeting.

Keep us updated, this sounds interesting. Or catastrophic. We'll see.

[–]DeckofLuckyStrikes[S] -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

As much as people think this is a trap, this class doesn't deal with feminism or any female empowerment. The class is more of an exercise in analyzing the political effects of socioeconomic discrimination.

I genuinely think she's curious about my position specifically, especially since it's clear I'm one of the most knowledgable and prepared people in the class. I think she wants to know why someone who's smart and progressive would hold such serious reservations about third wave feminism (entitled, middle to upper class white women acting as the voice for all women--which isn't the case both across cultures and across wealth).

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS734 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The class is more of an exercise in analyzing the political effects of socioeconomic discrimination.

Oy...A fart by any other name would smell as nasty. "Women's Studies" and "Marxism" are old and busted so they constantly rebrand as a means to appear fresh and relevant.

Notice that, whatever trendy fake-ass new academic discipline or social movement the questions are asked under the guise of, the bankrupt solutions and accusations always remain the same, namely "Men bad! Women oppressed! Whites evil! Collectivism is the only way!" It's been the same shit in a different package for at least 50 years.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is what I thought also. Inequality by any other name would stink just as bad.

[–]vaker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/DeckofLuckyStrikes : Hai guise, ima reck my college education.

Everybody(olderz with more life experience): Don't do it!

/u/DeckofLuckyStrikes: I'll do it anyway.

[–]NikolaTeslaMGTOW2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WRONG. It is always a trap. Talking to women is a trap. Thats what women are and do.

[–]themasterof-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont underistimate the professor. Its a professor after all.

Remember to update us on how it went.

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