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Disclosed Dualistic Mating Strategy on the Rise

June 6, 2020
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TL;DR Open dualistic mating strategy and possibly open hypergamy is on the rise. Even mainstream therapists are starting to see it in action.

 

First of all, I live in one of the nordic countries. This is relevant because our societies are somewhat post-feminism societies which means that the change induced by feminists have advanced the furthest. This is something you Americans probably have ahead of you.

 

So I was scrolling quickly through a local newsfeed and a semi-clickbait title got my eye. It said: "Five women tell why they choose one man as the father of their child and get sex elsewhere"

 

I checked out the article. The source wasn't exactly a high quality journalism but it wasn't buzzfeed article either. In the article there was this semi-celebrity psycho- and sex therapist commenting on the recent trend where she had started to notice with her colleagues that women have their husband (beta bucks) which they barely even have sex with and then they have another man or men (alpha fucks) with whom they have sex. The thing here was that dualistic mating strategy is more and more open so basically the men know that their wife is fucking someone else but they are "fine" with it.

 

The same story keeps repeating. Women want to have a man who provides and with whom they can live happy family life and here and there they wanna be ravaged by an alpha male.

 

About those five anecdotal stories which were included in the article - they pretty much followed the same narrative.

 

To summarize stories:

 

  • Woman 41 yo. Married 10 years and 2 kids. Concluding about description, they seemed to have open relationship right from the beginning. They fuck others but they don't talk about it each other. This seems to be the only "balanced" relationship of the five.

 

  • Woman 37yo. Married 19 years and 4 kids. She has sex with her husband but rarely. According to her, they are "good friends and we have a wonderful family". She fucks random guys here and there and also has a romantic relationship outside her marriage (so basically polyamory from her side). She was the one who initiated this arrangement.

 

  • Woman 42yo. Married 11 years. They are allowed to do "anything" outside their marriage. No more detailed info.

 

  • Woman 50yo. Married 20 years, multiple kids. She has a romantic sexual relationship outside the marriage. They haven't divorced because "she has a nice time with her husband" even tho she isn't interested having sex with him.

 

  • Woman 32yo, Married ~8 years, they do all the family things. She describes her relationship with her husband as they are "sister and brother". Sex was bad right from the beginning but other things were so great that they didn't break up even tho she now things they should have. They live in separate apartments and gather couple times a week "as a family". She is happy because she can meet "exciting people and gets good and exciting sex (basically she is having a last stand and final CC before wall really hits) and can use her spare time as she wants when father is looking after kids. Her husband is her "best friend".

 

Takeaways:

 

  • Open dualistic mating strategy and possibly open hypergamy is on the rise. Even mainstream therapists are seeing it in action.
  • Women and even post wall woman can have and eat their cake in the betaized society. What I can conclude of these descriptions, their hubbys probably don't have too many options around.
  • There definitely is options for post wall women. Men don't probably understand their value.
  • It's good to remember that women are biologically hard wired to get sexually bored with their partner.
  • Most probably opening the relationship was initiated by the woman altho this was confirmed only in one of the cases above.

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Title Disclosed Dualistic Mating Strategy on the Rise
Author Zech4riah
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Date June 6, 2020 2:00 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Blazer808178 points179 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Not gonna lie, just reading about this makes me sick. I can't even imagine how these guys hamstered themselves into believing this is fine.

[–]vicious_armbar64 points65 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They’re in this position because of a leviathan government ready to destroy their lives if their wife divorces them.

Remember, except for one case; none of these men agreed to this. They were fraudulently sold a disneyland version of marriage. Only for their wives to pull a bait and switch once they signed in the dotted line.

TL;DR: They’re being cucked by the government.

[–]3chazthundergut6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're being cucked by themselves

[–]azbcethananderson21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what would happen if they divorce?

[–]TheyCallMeAdonis-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

they are in this position bcs they have no selective pressure over the women in their lives. only after that can women use government institutions to propagate their dualistic strategies.

[–]MarbleWheels25 points26 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I believe it's mostly "for the kids". I know many guys that get cheated on and know it/ allow it. They ALL (except one who has no kids and loves the swingers lifestyle) do it because want to stay close to their offsprings.

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's stupid. My dad is looking to back out and I don't blame him. There comes a point in your life when you look back and realise that you have nothing. Nothing but a half attempt of raising kids in a crappy marriage. All those years worked for what? Only to be the bad guy when you've told yourself you had enough? Fuck the kids. If they don't understand when they're older then it's their fault. You can't be a grown ass man and blame Daddy for bailing. You need to understand where he was coming from. See where he went wrong. Who was it he really married? Most men don't regret their children but they regret their life. Fathers are people. They are people with dreams, motivations, successes and failures. That goes for children too. You don't live your life through them because they are not you, they have their own ambitions.

So men should quit with this "for the kids" crap. I better see a divorce lead to a man making right choices for him. Make money, get fit, show up at school meetings, look after the kids future but his comes first. You can't help anyone if you don't help yourself. The wife, gf, thot is just some you had kids with so don't internalize the shit of it not working out. If they do then they're someone who have no pride. Your children doesn't need to love you, they need to respect you. Loves doesn't go up it goes down. From father, to wife then kids. Respect goes up. You can breakup with a woman that doesn't love you but the one that respects you can't say shit about you. You'll be the guy they measure their future relationships to. Even while you're not there men will have to compete. Not that you should care but that's what it feels like to be respected. Sadly most men aren't because most don't know their worth.

[–]MarbleWheels0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe that you agree that taking great care of your kids is absolutely alpha behavior and that leading by example, teaching what self respect is, is important. At least in my country guys stay "for the kids" because it is (well, was, things are changing) rather easy for them not to get shared custody basing. I believe that, regardless how nasty it gets between the parents, kids should not be involved or used as pawns bur sadly it happens too often :-(

[–]odaklanan_insan7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men generally don't use kids as pawns. Mothers do. That's because men usually don't aim for child support money. Additionally, men have moral lines.

Also, there's nothing alpha about letting your wife getting literally fucked by other men for the kids sake. What kind of a person would respect his dad for that?

[–]acoltismypassport9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Infidelity is the hill I'm willing to die on, has been ever since my first girl cheated on me in my late teens. If you cheat on me, you're gone. Doesn't matter if it's been 3 months or 30 years - you are fucking done.

I simply cannot imagine how men can stay in relationships with girls who have cheated on them. The woman you kiss on the lips, whisper sweet things in her ear, and tell her you love her - she was, or IS, sucking another man's cock, getting her pussy and ass blown out, and drinking the semen of a man that isn't you. Mind = fucking shattered.

[–]Nobb_at_nite0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What if your girl simply wants to get fucked by another dude?

[–]acoltismypassport0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then she'll find herself single as soon as she discloses/accidentally gives away that desire.

[–]Nobb_at_nite0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well according to the fundamental tenets of red pill psychology, she's always looking out to fuck someone else mate.

[–]acoltismypassport0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be dogmatic. A lot of the content here is accurate, but it isn't gospel. If you have no evidence of your girl trying to branch swing, it would be absurd to dole out 'the final solution,' i. e.: hard nexting.

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[–]MarbleWheels0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They already do, sadly, make the cheater's life hell. I say sadly because this is something I don't wish on any kid - they should live a happy childhood and not have the consequences of parent's crappy decision making :-(

[–][deleted] 73 points74 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thirst! It began with liberalism, promoting animalistic instincts in the name of freedom (an addict cannot heal himself with freedom to do drugs), then Porngraphy lit it and the last blow was from the Dating apps. Males today are addicted to the porn high, self-esteem blown from being rejected by 5's on dating apps, So misguided and thirsty that they would consider being a doormat just to get some pussy... I'd unashamedly admit I had stooped to that point once but I was smart enough to escape the trap.

It's like almost everything is working in hypergamy's favour!

[–]MeganMcArdle19 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Depends on what the guys are up to.

Also, this does argue for mandatory DNA testing at birth.

[–]Blazer80811 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't really care about polyamorous relationship. My issue is that marriage is just a bad fucking joke in western societies.

[–]MeganMcArdle15 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Marriage is bad but your pronoun "this" in the original comment is ambiguous. I read "this" as referring to non-monogamy. For most guys, non-monogamy is a disaster, but for top guys it can be a road to lots of sex with hot chicks and little responsibility for those chicks.

[–]Blazer8081 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not cheating or a polyamorous relationship if it was never a relationship. As long as you specify to your women that you're just fucking around, they'll be fine with it.

Whenever they don't start "the talk" and they start getting comfortable, their hamster starts spinning and they start having expectations is usually when they draw the line. They then expect more attention/exclusivity or engage in shittests like "What are we, just so I know because I have guys flirting with me."

It's not women's fault that they're seeking the best mate, it's the men's fault for not having standards, boundaries and generally letting themselves go. Just because you stick a relationship label over whatever you have with a woman will never mean that she will be exclusive to you forever. No matter how alpha or whatever the fuck you are. It won't stop those guys flirting with her.

I don't even know what point I'm trying to make right now, but basically what I'm trying to say is that polyamorous relationships don't bother me. It's the disgusting excuses for men mentioned in the OP that do. Imagine how blue pilled the next generations are going to be when they see daddy actively cucked and everyone is ok with it. Long term relationships are fucked, hopefully they'll learn how to spin plates as well.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I literally felt my heart sink when I read it.

[–]pizzaguy5738711 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed, you're just going to treat your wife like a whore? LMFAO.

[–]jewishsupremacist881 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

alot of german/nordic men that ive met are big time cucks. all the masculine men were starved to death after hitler was defeated in internment camps

[–]Luisd8580 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If my wife came to me with opening up the marriage you best believe I’m banging her hot friends if she has any and banging the younger finer girls at the gym etc

[–]AshyLarry2728 points29 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's good to remember that women are biologically hard wired to get sexually bored with their partner.

THIS.

Hands down the number one reason a lot of askTRP newbies are so perplexed by the idea of a woman just leaving them is rooted in some of the most basic, innate, human instincts. This is intrinsic in all aspects of life, yet we completely ignore it in the dating world. If your favorite food is pizza, and you were challenged to eat pizza 24/7 for a week, your favorite food will no longer be pizza afterwards. We get bored with the same old mundane routines and things associated with life.

But why is this diffrent for men and women? Lets say you grew up poor and worked at a pizza joint where they give you pizza to take home for free. If all you had to eat was pizza because you didn't have oney for other groceries, well too bad, you need to survive. Pizza it is, again. And you will enjoy it, because you can't afford anything else. Now if you had more money and more options of food, you most certainly will take advantage of the fact that you have options and are not limited to just pizza.

Men are afraid to talk to women, to interact, going through the motions. Too many moving parts, too much could go wrong. So they stick to "just pizza," because this "pizza" made it easy for him. When women jump into the dating world, they have options. They will will exercise those options. They refuse to "eat pizza" for the next 20-30 years just because it put a ring on her and they have 3 kids.

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[–]1SeemedGood19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Facts.

The issue is that the development of the ability to override instincts requires facing and overcoming adversity with introspection, objective self observation, and self critique. The process of doing that is what expands one’s consciousness enough to enable the conscious self-control that is required for one to override one’s instincts.

Women structure their lives (and our societes) to avoid the burden of having to face adversity. They eschew introspection, objective self observation, and self critique. They offer us sex in exchange for shouldering those burdens for them. They use their sexual choice power to structure societies which encourage them to externalize their grievances and seek victim status instead of overcoming them through becoming conscious of how their own choices created their own grievances and then changing their choices.

And we (men) acceded to that trade. We play that game with them. Eve may have offered us the fruit, but we listened to her and chose to eat it with her. We are complicit in both her demise and our own.

When we stop shouldering their burdens for them in exchange for pussy, they’ll have to face adversity and (eventually) they’ll have to get introspective, objectively self observant, and self critical if they wish to survive the adversity.

In that sense it’s not women’s uncontrolled (dichotomous) hypergamy that’s the fundamental societal problem. Rather, it’s our own simping. The former can’t exist for long without the latter. We can’t control women’s hypergamy, but we can control our reaction to it.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The simping is way too ingrained into most men now, even some men with high status/wealth or looks simp to some degree. The simp economy (e.g, cam girls and dating) is huge in the west.

[–]1SeemedGood1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough, but the simp economy is way bigger than cam girls and dating. Unfortunately, it has subsumed the vast majority of interactions between men and women.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women, for example, can override those instincts when it is understood that society will punish them for following instincts that can be a detriment to said society.

The problem is that those constraints are no longer in place...

[–]Pestilence19113 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I grew up poor, and my dad worked at the local pizza joint, and brought home slices every night,

As an adult, that pizza joint was my first job, I have their sticker on my hardhat, (I live on the other side of the country) and it's the first thing I order when I'm home, and I typically eat there every few days when I'm home.

Never doubt the power of pizza.

[–]TheProfitMotive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People can be monogamous, but only for about 7 years. Then we are hardwired to seek another partner to mate with to ensure our genes have another shot at survival.

People forget that humans are not difficult to understand. We are just glorified chimpanzees.

[–]GlobalAsshat28 points29 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The problem with this is women's biology is wired to have no respect for these men they perceive as "weak" and that they have no attraction towards. Never let women get away with this shit. This is merely another sign of a culture that is ready to collapse, along with all the protesting and the entitlement mentality among the bottom and the top (federal reserve bailing out big corporations and pumping the stock market to all time highs during the worst contraction since the great depression)

The US is perfectly set up to fall here. All these women who think they can have their cake and eat it too are in for a rude awakening. I hope it all collapses personally. I'm tired of this society that rewards irresponsible behaviors and actions. Let it fucking fall and let the strong survive and rebuild. We really need a good case of survival of the fittest in our society. It's filled with parasites and useless eaters and amoral lazy fucktards and politicians that enable them.

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[–]1SeemedGood3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Schumpeter bro. Creative destruction. Decline of the old and decrepit is progress.

[–]trppr0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Schumpeter bro.

Oh, a fellow connoisseur!

I haven't seen that name mentioned in a very long time.

[–]1SeemedGood0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

He gets lumped in with the Austrian school dudes who are currently on the establishment’s list of wrongthink.

[–]trppr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a big fan of his kondratieff cycles.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

One of my former teachers she’s 33. Her husband is 35, and a multimillionaire who owns a medical clinic and has a beard and is into fitness. They have 2 kids

By all accounts the perfect life, and yet she texts one of my former classmates that’s she’s “bored” and downloaded tinder and is looking for guys with tattoos who like to party and do blow.

Blew my mind. They’re getting a divorce now.

Lesson her is that they can get bored for no reason and just bounce.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Similar to the Megan Fox/Brian Green divorce. Leave the “perfect catch” for a dark triad dude layered in tats.

[–]TheProfitMotive1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

None of those things you said about him mean he isn't a beta simp. If anything, rich guys are more likely to be simps

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You’re right I don’t know all the details, but on paper it seems like a perfect life.

[–]Sumsar012 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of "perfect guys" are very plain and boring.

[–]B3ER50 points51 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Just ride it out, lads. Don't be the beta husband. Never get married, don't have kids you know of.

[–]ProductivityMonster0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Why not just marry and DINK (Dual Income No Kids)? I mean if you divorce at some point, it's not the end of the world with no kids, assuming she makes around the same as you.

Let's be honest, most non-married guys are not getting sex and female compassion as often as married guys. Plus the financial benefits of sharing living expenses. Seems like a win, even if it eventually turns into more of a business partnership than a marriage.

[–]ChadowyFigure5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Why not just DINK without getting married? I'm a happily married guy, and I would never do it again or advise anyone to - there is no upside. Just don't do it.

[–]ProductivityMonster1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

why would not advise any man marry? I just outlined some of the major benefits. What are the drawbacks and why do they outweigh the benefits in your mind?

And to answer your question - tax benefits, medical benefits/share their insurance, present to the world as a couple, etc. These are easy to look up. Also, having some sort of harder process to follow (divorce) to get out of a relationship makes people work harder on maintaining their relationship and not just giving up the second something better comes along - I think a non-marriage relationship would not be nearly as stable as a marriage over a longer period of time. I understand people grow apart eventually for the most part, but I think marriage is still a net benefit as long as you avoid kids.

[–]Redagogue3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Pretty sad when the marriage argument has devolved all the way down to tax benefits and speedbump to relationship breakdown. What is the only benefit of marriage? Social approval from spouse, family, and society. Should an adult's decisions be dictated by the opinions of others? No. This purple pilled tradcon pipedream of repackaging marriage as this never-before-tried financial and emotional miracle with no downside gets pretty tiring. Marriage has always been shit for men, hence the famous committment-phobic nature of men, which is rather odd when you realize that men are the risk-taking gender. Always pushed by the risk-averse gender. Wonder why. Your only leverage in life is your ability to fuck off, and its ultimately the only thing people respect when negotiating anything.

[–]ProductivityMonster0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Your only leverage in life is your ability to fuck off, and its ultimately the only thing people respect when negotiating anything.

point taken - that's why no kids. You still have the ability to leave through divorce without being financially and emotionally destroyed. Yet you still get the other financial and social benefits. I understand it limits your sexual freedom, but not as much as you think. I could totally see some stud who has sex with a different woman all the time not getting married. But that is not the reality for most men. And even studs will get too old one day for quality girls. It's not just women who age.

[–]Redagogue2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The claim that divorce does not financially and emotionally destroy people is suspect on its face. If you want to go into a relationship and want the safety of being able to break up without entanglements then you would not get married. The marriage contract by design is messy to undo. The suicide rate of recently divorced men speaks for itself. Also, monogamy by definition eliminates your sexual freedom. You can't negotiate desire, and that is ultimately what men are hoping happens when they get married. In a logical make-believe world, people would realize what a sacrifice and commitment it is to marry someone and forever love that person, but we live in an emotional, instinctive reality with a veneer of logic sitting on top like an oil slick. Familiarity breeds contempt, a favor granted too frequently becomes an obligation, hypergamy, etc. There's a reason why gallows humor about marriage exists, how women get fat after marriage/kids, only have starfish duty sex once a month, how the blowjobs stop as soon as they say I Do. There are no mysteries about what happens during a marriage.

[–]ProductivityMonster0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You can't negotiate desire, and that is ultimately what men are hoping happens when they get married.

I understand that people generally lose attraction over time as they grow and marriage won't change that, but in the meantime you can reap the gains and if it becomes so bad a divorce is necessary, statistically she gets one. I think this form of marriage where you reap the financial and social benefits for often a decently long time, but still can (somewhat) safely eject/be ejected is the modern way. It is not quite as traditionally "death do us part" as it was intended, but it is as close to that as one can often get given the realities of female hypergamy. I wouldn't go into it expecting divorce (statistics are not that bad - something like 45% of marriages end in divorce, but much lower the higher income you get), but I would want to make sure my life wouldn't be ruined if divorce did happen.

Also, I haven't seen the studies, but I would think most of the suicides come from fathers, not childless men. For sure divorce is hard, but rarely/never seeing your own child again is much harder.

My main premise is that since marriage imposes a financial obligation on men in divorce, but only a choice on women to be kind to their husbands, you might as well severely limit the cash and prizes of divorce to the woman by 1) marrying your financial/career equal and 2) don't have kids and 3) prenup any pre-marriage assets like your 401K, home, etc. 4) keep track of how much you paid for large assets like a joint home purchase, vehicle, etc.

[–]Redagogue1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The point of marriage for men is the whimsical delusion of a love contract. It does not deliver that, and it actually makes it more difficult to maintain attraction because it makes women complacent. You present this as a low financial risk venture (it isn't) with vague social benefits (like what, specifically?) instead of addressing the fact that men do not get married for either reason. Then your entire argument hinges on the fact that said marriage should be childless for best results, nuking the top reason why anyone gets married, and by corollary mandating vasectomy because you can't trust any other form of birth control. Why should anyone get married? The "people generally lose attraction over time as they grow and marriage won't change that" really just kills the whole point of marriage, right? Nothing says confidence in the institution like planning how not to get destroyed if it fails. You can't make people love you just because you marry them. So don't get married. It's simple. Losing the forest for the trees here. Perhaps the focus should be on why you should do it instead of how it's not so bad when it gets fucked up. It's like buying a used car and the guy tells you to pump the gas three times every few miles to prevent the engine from exploding. Not a great sales pitch.

[–]ProductivityMonster0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've already addressed the apparent contradiction of why I should marry despite most people losing attraction over time and was noting ways to protect myself if it should fail afterwards. But to recap and add a few in no particular order...

*social benefits - status as being married. People (and employers) generally see you as more responsible, regardless of whether it is actually true.

*tax/financial benefits to build wealth

*certain legal rights in case the person is in the hospital or incapacitated (I added this one)

*more stable relationship than just cohabitating - most cohabitations end within 5 years. Despite you calling it a "speed bump", it does have a very real and measurable effect on making relationships more durable, stable, and longer lasting.

*health benefits - married men live significantly longer than non-married and cohabitating men, even after adjusting for income and other factors. (added as well)

And to address your concern about taking away one's power to walk away (easily) and thus your attraction, you're right it does happen some of the time and is a leading cause of dissatisfaction in marriages. I've read many accounts online of husbands having the issue where the wife just flat out loses her attraction and does not want sex after a few years in the marriage. But I'd wager this is one of the divorce cases rather than the married a long time cases. The reality is it's a compromise between commitment on the man's part and sex/intimacy on the women's part. If the woman doesn't hold up her end for whatever reason, then it's time to divorce.

[–]caveatze30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Should an adult's decisions be dictated by the opinions of others?

I would argue that a well adjusted adult does take into account the opinions of his family and the society at large. One doesn't live in isolation.

[–]dbrockisdeadcmm0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tax benefits are negligible at best for two high earners with no kids. I guess the insurance could add up to a couple hundred a year but certainly not worth the risk of alimony. Again, in the dink world both would have insurance offered at work, you just may not get as good of a deal.

[–]B3ER0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't live for female compassion and frequent sex. I'm here for the self improvement and the reality of modern relationships. Pussy isn't on a pedestal for me.

[–]noPTSDformePlease11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

none of these people are "married".

[–]ProductivityMonster2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, they were traditionally married, but now they're in open relationships. It's really the kids that are the nail in the coffin, emotionally and financially speaking. Without that, the guys would just divorce the women.

[–]odaklanan_insan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's weird how people do not realize what marriage is supposed to be in the first place.

If you can cheat, or have an open relationship, what's the point, right? We even used to perceive divorced couples in the same categoey with people who went through a catastrophic incident. Now it's just normal.

[–]TheProfitMotive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's MARRIED to the streets

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[–]TheProfitMotive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol dude, have some bad news for you. This stuff is definitely gonna become more common.

The SMP is increasingly becoming an harem society where all the sex is going to the top 20% of men. So just to get some pussy the bottom 50% of guys who get no pussy will be willing to sign up to letting "their" girl get railed by Chad. In fact, bc so many guys grow up watching porn they will actually be turned on by it.

[–]RealEarlGamer12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How does any sane man not just opt out? I know the best I could manage to become would be beta provider, so why bother?

[–]flacko_red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s crazy to see what the descendants of the Vikings have become.

[–]Punstatostriatus4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems we are going back to our roots.

[–]TheProfitMotive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, this is a good thing. The natural way of the world.

Only the strong survive.

[–]justgotalpha2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These guys put themselves in this position, i remember one night back in 2015 my friend and i took a party slut right in front of her husband, the guy was overweight and looked like he couldn’t get another slut to save his life! She left with both of us and before leaving she said “wait let me tell my husband i wont be coming tonight” BRUHH!! I CANT MAKE THIS UP...i was like 3 months into TRP and it dint cross my mind but the next couple of days i started to actually see what they meant about female nature.. i kinda felt sorry for the guy but hey its a jungle out there! EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF

[–]notaselfdrivingcar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I"m glad I don't live in the west

[–]ifelsedowhile1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I read that 30% of young swedish males don't have a sexual life. I bet there's a 10% more who have sex only with hookers since there's a lot of Swedish tourists in place like Thailand, the places you go for sexual tourism.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm you don’t say....I can pass as a Muslim in Sweden and get those woke points with the local Swede girls lulz. /s

[–]rekabis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can pass as a Muslim in Sweden and get those woke points with the local Swede girls

Why not? If you can fake it, leverage that ignorance.

[–]TheProfitMotive0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol I dated a Muslim girl from Sweden, and I would go on the IGs of her white Swedish friends and their pics were full of Muslim thuggish looking badboys, but then also pics of their beta Swedish boyfriends.

Swedish men are that cucked that their girl will have pics of thugs on her profile and they won't say anything about it.

[–]BitchesBrew_MF0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sooooo you’re saying there’s a chance. Yeahhhhhh lol

[–]TheProfitMotive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yh there was an article recently on here that showed the bottom 33% of men are having no sex whatsoever. Add the in the guys who only get lucky once in a blue moon, its about 50% of men who's sexual partner is their right hand.

There was an IFS study (I think it was IFS) that said the top 20% of men were responsible for 60% of sexual partnerings, so the Pareto principle is very much true

[–]TheProfitMotive1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

NEVER BE A WOMANS MEAL TICKET.

If you are just gonna be a females meal ticket, you might as well just lay down and rot right now bc I bet you most of those guys are gonna find out the kid isn't even really theirs

[–]Gorillaz_Inc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a man, I simply cannot imagine being in an LTF/marriage and allowing my woman to have sex with other men. The level of cuckholdry among Western men is getting ridiculous.

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Could you post the article as well.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I left it out because google translator isn't too good with finnish language, but when I checked just now, it actually does quite decent job these days so have a go: link

[–]1empatheticapathetic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cool. Just curious to have a look around generally. Cheers

[–]Sumsar010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was worried for a sec that it could be Danish. But luckily it's better here.

[–]TheImpossible12 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Women continue showing their complete lack of humanity.

[–]bigtoeneedhelp24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They make up 50% of humanity. Their actions are human

[–]Arnoux11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also men are not that different or more “human”.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing new under the sun. At one point it's up to men to take their rights away. If it's not the locals it'll be the invaders.

[–]pursuitofman5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t fall into this mindset it’s illogical. Women are being human but are displaying their base nature. They have given up all self control and let their bodily instincts rule them. The problem is many men are in the same category and the problems have gotten out of hand.

[–]odaklanan_insan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me tell you something: humans have the potential to be magnificient, creative, wise and civilized as much as being worse than animals.

The only difference between men and women is that, men also have the ability to lead and not to be led in either direction.

Now, I don't say this to praise men because, the ability to lead is a negative attribute when you're not using it. You can't blame women for being led like sheep, when that's all they're capable of. But it's a shame when an eagle acts like a chicken and doesn't fly.

You want women to act civilized and you don't want them to mate like certain animals? Then lead them. But keep in mind that being pissed is not leading.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao everybody cheats. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe immoral behavior is exclusive to one gender

[–]ProductivityMonster1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

absolutely. It's human nature. Women just have more opportunity on average.

[–]sandal_on2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Do you people now realize how extremely important religion is? How cucked a secular society becomes with time?

In western society 1/20 men raise a child unknowingly not theirs.

In a Islamic (or truly Christian, not just by name), the rate is 1/100 000.

So marrying in a western society compared to a religious, your chance of being cucked isn't 50% higher, 100%, 200%, 500%, but literally 5 000% higher.

Western society has set the highest record of being the most cucked society in history because they looked down at religion, so they became the most humiliated by result.

Since western society do not have a basis of right and wrong, and religion kept people in check, the only way western society is heading towards is openly embracing dual mating society, and shaming anyone who doesn't submit to this system.

"But isn't religion hindering progress?"

Progress in what? Today they protest through slutwalks, wanting to be pounded on the pavement as if certain parks and places isn't enough. People in the ancient world did have similar before Christianity, so it's not "progress", only a competition on who can be the most degenerate.

Spain, Baghdad, Turkey and so on, during what people would call Taliban Sharia, made huge scientific progress. That is true progress.

Humiliation is the price people pay when they leave religion, because what stops them from being slaves to their desires, to the next high?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need individualism (implying accountability), and religion rarely provides that. Go libertarian, shrink the state and don't get cucked by the state. Simple!

[–]TheProfitMotive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude im pretty sure it's more than 1/20 these days.

Western men collectively are a joke. The biggest obstacle to paternity fraud is finding someone to cheat with you looks enough like your current partner. Tinder has now made that very easy for women.

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Either being slave of religon or slave of hedonism. Tragic state of human exsistence.

[–]sandal_on0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Generic unoriginal mainstream statement, with no base in logic or reality. Religion provides self respect and long term success from individual level to societal level in discipline.For the sake of rationality, bring something either original or logic, or be a live example that proves my point.

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Self respect from beliving in some woo-woo? Then I prefer not to have self respect.
Long term societal and individual sucess in discipline? Being confied by arbitrary rules definitely helps humans, as world is to complex for vast majority. Drawbacks are so obvious that I am not going to point them.

Simplicity and ease of mind or complexity and exsistential dread.

[–]sandal_on1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So you believe, that DNA that makes all human advancement a joke due to its extremely sophisticated and mathematical coding, came out of nowhere while programmers struggle creating a big free code? Evolution is a joke, and those who believe in it either lack mathematical basic thinking, or willfully believe in it to rationalize their desires. But you can choose to believe in fiction like the masses to sooth your conscience.

You're simply making the same classic mistake like the mainstream, things are not white or black but in gradients. Oversimplification and using it as direction is a clear sign of fundamental lack of logic, which are fine for small kids in learning stage but not for adults.

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Reality is complicated and we have no clue what it is on fundamental level. To paraphrase Sokratese "we know enough to know nothing". I could put some homeboy who created everything, but what is the purpose? For me it changes absolutely nothing. For many, it dimnishes existential dread. People who belives in supernatural need to belive in it. Without it they disintegrate mentally. And that is beauty of evolution, which you called a joke.

[–]sandal_on0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

What is complicated about reality? There's concrete evidence, and there's logic to explain. Reality is very simple.

Creation of something is not equivalent of purpose, like a random object, but a painting or chair has one. Like humans. The purpose is explained through valid religion, otherwise the argument would persist if there was no valid religion or explanation.

No, you're mixing hope and fulfilment with absolute truth. Wanting hope is human reaction, absolute truth has nothing to do with hope or fulfilment. People can believe in tribalism, ideals, etc to feel fulfilled or use anything but religion as ideas, politics etc to have hope.

You need to separate base factors instead of clumping them together like any philosophers who love overcomplicating basic subjects with illogical rationalizations with a few logic in a illogical equation to feel achievement when they're at best confusing themselves without producing any value.

Why are you not supporting religion to put society back on track so in the long term preserve your freedom from oppressive expansive governments?

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I see we think on diffrent planes, so there will be no fruitfull discussion. I will reply to only one statment. "Reality is very simple." We know almost nothin about universe we live in. Anyone claming simplicyty of reality is blessed with ignorance fool. Nevertheless this foolness is very helpfull in conducting life. I do not write to offend you, I state mere fact.

[–]sandal_on0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Again, opinions presented as facts without any underlying logic or reality based not countering anything, while intentionally twisting arguments which is a famous fallacy to avoid admittance of fundamental illogical thinking.

This only proves that you're no different than the masses who prefer the comforting fiction over reality besides fancy use of words. You're welcome to prove your fiction as true, but drop the fallacy to not discredit and undermine your thoughts.

[–]Punstatostriatus0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How law of physics are what they are? This one question should stimulate imagination to the point of astonishment.
Comforting fiction? That one I did not expected.

Have a nice sunday.

[–]rekabis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. Reading those bullet points is… depressing. How do these men lose so much of their own self-respect? Why aren’t younger men learning from this? Why aren’t they teaching younger men by example?

I’d sooner go MGTOW than deal with any woman who can’t be faithful. Infidelity or inability to remain committed to me would be a hard next, to the point where I wouldn’t even bother reaching out to women if fidelity was in the minority. Like, they can all just go fuck themselves; I have better things to do with my life than mate-guard and expose myself to any significant risk of becoming emotionally traumatized.

[–]ronoda120 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Paternity fraud should have same punishment as rape. The woman is financially and emotionally raping the man.

[–]DangZagnut0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why idiots keep getting married I still don’t get.

[–]LongTimeOn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because as has been said here previously, most men aren't having regular sex and they've been socially conditioned Into believing marriage will guarantee regular sex. The rub is, as anyone who has been married will tell you, your sex life DIES after she gets the ring on her finger. It's a huge scam that men Need to wake up to. Sadly it's so ingrained in our society that it's like the Titanic's rudder, to small to turn the ship except over a long period of time, which leads most men to smash into that Iceberg called divorce rape.

[–]redditor784778470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women now don't care about keeping hypergamy a secret....there will always be beta providers ready to cap n save a hoe after they dick rode all the alphas in their youth

[–]redditor784778470 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

SMV is all about

_Your position in the social dominance hierarchy (your alphaness) _Your resources (financial position/wealth) _Physical attractiveness-your facial attractiveness,height and physique _Your social status/affluence (can be unrelated to your financial position)

[–]rp_southsider0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this has been happening since humans started living in large groups. The only thing different is that the legal and moral frameworks in Western societies have changed to the point that women now feel comfortable discussing it openly.

Women's nature hasn't changed. The fact that they are free to talk about it has changed.

[–]Zech4riah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, that's what title and TL;DR says.

[–]Rogermrox0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is good to remember that women are biologically connected to get sexually tired of their partner. ''

prove it...

[–]Zech4riah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can start from the Dietrich Klusmann's study Sexual Motivation and the Duration of Partnership and then google for more.

I think there is a consensus among evolutionary biologists regarding this and why it happens (you can google it, it's an interesting subject). Also there is a theory that the sexual desire sort of resets when a child is born.

EDIT: This is one of the reasons why I find it hilarious when trpers tend to think that if they are alpha enough, she will stay and be attracted to you sexually. You just can't cheat biology and this is a hard pill to swallow even for many ECs.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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