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[Discussion] Why is discussing game at the level of TRP/Seduction so taboo compared to everything else?

July 8, 2014

This is sort of a fork off yesterday's post I did after having a quick late night chat with /u/bradyo2 when we talked about why talking about game in detail sort of makes people uncomfortable and spoken mostly in public with powertalk and posture talk, but RARELY straight talk.

It started off by me saying, "I know a lot more men are into seduction type material, but they'll never admit it, and when they do it's very brief." Where he followed up agreeing that he too notices that when he's talked about it that his friends will be very nonchalant and sort of uncomfortable talking about the conscious persuasion aspects of it.

And it sort of got me thinking, why is it okay when training a sales person to say something straight like, "When recruiting a volunteer for your cause on campus the trick is to invite them to go hang out with you. Then socialize with them and have a good time, even if you really don't like them. This creates a feeling where they feel the need to 'return' the favor, so next time you invite them to a political rally they'll feel obligated to attend. And if you brought them out that first time with your friends, and YOU showed them a good time, they'll start viewing you as a leader and subsiquently want to bring their friends to events, because people like introducing friends to fun leader friends of theirs -- it makes them feel cool", but if you ever get to that level of detail in a seduction realm, "BAM!" everyone starts getting uncomfortable?

I'm allowed to roughly touch it and say something like, "If women didn't really like jerks like, then there would be no jerks -- evolution would have weeded them out millenniums ago. The only reason they still exist is because it's still a successful sexually strategy" and it'll get a decent response, but now if I go into WHY women like jerks, no one wants to talk about it.

You see a lot of this with general population talks on game where it's very light and overhead, "Yeah, man, if you want more girls, you just got to keep cool and have more swagger." You also see this online with BP types when guys ask what is the BP alternative and all they get back is some feel good BS, and then they storm off frustrated because they never actually explained how to get those traits, and why those traits work.

This is a typical type BS Response most will have when talking about game:
Him: "Hey how do I get more women?"
Them "Just start being cool and someone people want to be around!"
Him "Yeah, yeah, yeah, no shit, I get that. But how do I become cool and fun to be around?"
Them: "Well get some some hobbies and start going out more often!"
Him: "Yeah no shit, I want to do that. But I'm still awkward and no matter where I go I'm still a loser. I want to be like my Buddy Kevin who pulls in a lot of attractive women. I've been going out for ages and women still don't want me."
Them: "Well you just need to be more confident."
Him: "Is there a drug for that? Because it's hard to feel confident when I feel like a loser in every social interaction."
Them: "Well, you just need to work on being a great person. Listen to what they have to say, be patient, always there for them, and always willing to help!"
Him: "Why do you think that would help? Because Kevin is none of that, he's pretty cocky, selfish, loud, and rarely patient. In fact, I'm really nice to people, always try to help, and am a great listener. But that hasn't changed anything, women don't pay me much attention. I want to become the type of guy that attracts high quality women. It doesn't make any sense"
Them: "Well, you seem like a great person and I'm sure you'll find a good women soon enough! Just give it some time, man!"
Him: "Yeah But I don't want to just dick around. I want to start pulling in chicks now... You know what, fuck it, I'm going to TRP."

The deep analysis and "why" aspects are completely ignored.

So let me non-ironically ask, "Why do people behave this way when it comes to game and nothing else."

I'll start with my theory on it and would love if others could jump in and offer some insight:

It is an honest discussion of people's ego's in the most vulnerable of places

People have no problem saying, "Yeah I suck at sales because I just can't deal with people all day like that. It's just not my thing talking so much," or "Yeah, I'm terrible at large social events. It's just too loud for me and I get social anxiety in really large crowds." However, you'll rarely hear someone say, "Yeah I'm terrible with women because I'm a loser who can't get with women." Admitting one has failed at those other things is no big deal, because it doesn't really define a person so much, but admitting one is terrible at the fundamental thing we are alive for and what people strive for on a constant basis, is humiliating -- Saying you suck at being social is one thing, but saying you suck at forming intimate sexual bonds with the opposite gender is another thing. And people really want to avoid the latter.

Let's be honest, attracting the opposite sex is a BIG deal to most. It's a biological drive that has created the world we see today. Women have competed to be the most beautiful and emotionally understanding to get the man who created the most value as possible. And the man created the most value as possible to get the most beautiful and emotionally fun spirited and understanding woman as possible. One's ability to attract a mate says A lot about the individual. In a competitive world, we've been conditioned to be our best, and what type of mate we can get says a whole lot about who we our in the eyes of our society.

So when people openly talk about things like seduction, and dwelve deep into "why" X tactic works, it makes people highly uncomfortable. It's putting their identity on the table. It's lining up the losers and the winners. And not in a dodgeball fashion, but on a personal identity fashion. It lines up the winners and the loser based on who they are as a human being and as member in society. It's openly saying to the guy in front of you, "You fail because society doesn't value the type of person you are. In the sexual market place, you are akin to a immigrant gardener. And being an immigrant gardener in the economic realm is one thing, but being an immigrant gardener within the most important thing to a human being(intimacy, value, acceptance, love), is another."

That's why I think men are so reluctant to openly talk about game -- it's demasculating. He opens a book on game and starts reading it, he's not going to run to his buddies and say, "Hey Tom, I know the reason you can't get girls to talk to you! It's because you're a bitch and not a single quality girl thinks your personality has ANY value traits. Literally, everything about you turns them off! Here, Tom, let me spend the next 20 minutes telling you why your such a pathetic bitch and have been for years!" No one wants to hear that. No one wants to talk about that. A lot of it has to do with people not wanting to confront uncomfortable truths about the world and their reality -- because frankly TRP has it's name because just that, and people don't like confronting the fact that they are often losers within social interactions, and the winners don't want to admit that that's why they are the winners.

Egos just get too involved, and it makes people far too uncomfortable. Remember this isn't just talking about a skill of theirs, no this is talking about their ENTIRE identity. This is why you have guys like that fucker I wont name that shot up that school, spend hours being part of Anti-PUA communities. Deep down, he knew he was a pathetic loser.... He even admitted it. It infuriated him that sexual attention from women, something he longed for greatly, was completely void in his life. He hated that he knew he had no value to women at all. And when he came around the Seduction world where it discussed how to pick up women, it basically hit him in every insecure nerve possible. It basically told him why he's a loser, why he's failing, and why who he is will never get with women.

So he built up his self defense and started hamstering about. He started vehemently fighting against the very thing that was assaulting his ego. He was trying so hard to deny reality, that he spent time trying to lobby against it. But at the end of the day, he knew who he was and that baggage all came crushing down.

You'll probably notice that much of our detractors and opponents are much like this, though without the crazy murderous tendencies (at least I hope). Most of the BP and anti-Seduction crowd who literally spend their days raging against a community that wants to be left alone, are these losers. EVERY SINGLE TIME I've seen a picture of a BPer, they have been exactly what TRP would define as a social or romantic loser. I'm not exaggerating when I say EVERY SINGLE TIME either (though I'm sure there are some exceptions out there) the women are unattractive, and the men look like run-of-the-mill incel types.

So this is why it's taboo to talk about. It's a direct assault on the ego. No one wants to be an asshole and explain how someone else is a loser. No one wants to admit to themselves why they are such a loser. It's just much easier culturally to NOT talk about it in detail and just hope people figure it out on their own -- and let the winners and losers fall where they may.

Anyways, what are your thoughts? Why do you think Seduction is so taboo? Why is it okay to talk about other shit in extreme detail, but seduction is the only exception?

Dicks 'n titties, -Senator

EDIT: Thanks for the gold, stranger. I owe you an "old fashion" during the next patriarchy meeting.

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Title [Discussion] Why is discussing game at the level of TRP/Seduction so taboo compared to everything else?
Author puaSenator
Upvotes 82
Comments 24
Date July 8, 2014 7:16 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 43 points44 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The reason is simple:

  1. Everyone wants to thing of themselves as a special unique snowflake

  2. Because of 1, people don't like the idea what would win them over would win other people over too. Because then that means they aren't special

  3. It takes away the magic. Love is apparently meant to be some unexplainable mysterious force that conqueors all. Being able to deliberately cause someone to be attracted to you and fall for you goes against this.

  4. Because you are taking on this supposed power consciously, you are now in a position of power that you should be in. So naturally the solution is to try and shame you for this.

[–][deleted] 11 points11 points | Copy Link

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[–]TogiBear 17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

6 - Human think it not animal, when it be.

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[–]HerpDerpartment 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"They say it don't be like it is, but it do." - Oscar Gamble

That is TRP in a dumb nutshell.

[–]GrantNexus -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da"- Sting

[–]chill_geddy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yessir ego tripping, our ego plays a big part in preventing us from improving because it does everything in it's power to protect our "identity" which is why stepping outside of your comfort zone can be such a daunting task

[–]IRiseFromTheAshes 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've never found it difficult to self-motivate to go to the gym, but rather what program to follow. There are so many workout programs out there that it can be overwhelming to decide what to stick to. Combine that with a lot of contradictory nutrition & exercise out there, and general impatience (takes a while to get fit) and the over-thinking nature of most BP minds, and you have a recipe for rationalizing your way out of the gym.

[–]ADDvanced 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I dont think it's that complex. Pick a routine, do it for 2 weeks. At the end of 2 weeks add 5-10 lbs. Repeat.

[–]WhenIntegralsAttack 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, 8.5 pounds of fat. Holy hell, man. That ain't muscle.

[–]blazingcopper 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Our bodies were made for free weight compound workouts. It's simple. Do you want strength or hypertrophy. Then decide how many days you'd like to work. Then look at reviews of the ones that fit the criteria.

[–]subcover -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't have to go to the gym, that's just one way of improving yourself. Don't do it for girls, there are so many other ways.

[–]Jozan999 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Implying I lift for grills

[–]1bradyo2 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent points. Even the weakest of men have big ego's telling them they're unique (they'll hamster these thoughts away, of course).

TRP and related theories crush this ego into tiny little pieces and forces you to actually provide tangible value (Successful career, £££, getting big), and not to just think you do.

[–]1PaulRivers10 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Anyways, what are your thoughts? Why do you think Seduction is so taboo? Why is it okay to talk about other shit in extreme detail, but seduction is the only exception?

Because everything else is stuff you're supposed to be good at and do repeatedly - getting better at basketball, math, logical thinking, etc - it's a long running build up.

Societally, seducing someone is supposed to lead to getting married and then seducing new people is over. Done with. It's not a skill you're supposed to hone and refine - and if everyone is bad at doing it, it means that you're less likely to have the option to cheat and the girl is less likely to find someone she wants to cheat with.

Another reason is similar to why your teachers don't want you to know the exact questions that are on the test you're taking - women are trying to guage your value with tests. If you know what the questions are, you can simply memorize the answers and the test means meaningless in gauging your value.

And finally, women take the follow role. In that role, they are trying to extract more and more influence out of the lead. The fact that the lead doesn't understand what the follow is doing gives her more power to manipulate.

[–]puaSenator[S,🍰] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Those are two really exceptional points, probably the best two so far!

[–]1PaulRivers10 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! You know...you could award points since you're an endorsed contribute with Alt+11...just saying'... :D

[–]puaSenator[S,🍰] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure... Here you go... Just let me add enough characters.........................................................................................

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[–]Endorsed ContributorWe_Are_Legion 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty insightful. Thanks for sharing.

[–]HolographicWhaleTail 12 points12 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's like needing help with something you should already know. If you can't get a woman, you feel like less of a man. If you need help with it, you feel like less of a man. But if it's something you learned all on your own, like anything else, you tend to take pride in it.

And the way others respond to the fact that you do it, it's like being 12 again and a friend asks you if you masturbate or watch porn. "Pfft!!! What??? No, I don't need they shit, I GETS PUSSY"

Then when you get home

[–]puaSenator[S,🍰] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that was sort of my point on the post that triggered this; /r/TheRedPill/comments/2a2eoo/what_does_sales_politics_and_trp_all_have_in/cirio55[1]

Guys don't want to admit they need help because, fuck that shit I'm a man. It's literally shameful and a hit directly on masculinity to admit your masculinity isn't good enough -- something we all strongly identify with. No one wants to talk about it because just like you said, no one wants to admit it. Ever talk about it with your guy friends? Man, it's just posturing all around. It rarely gets anywhere other than circle jerking.

[–]CptDefB 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ever talk about it with your guy friends? Man, it's just posturing all around. It rarely gets anywhere other than circle jerking.

This, and it sucks because you want to... grow with them? Stoned, not sure if those are the words I want. Essentially, what we do here in real time, with people who actually know you.

I don't have much else to add. There are some common reasons for the taboo. Your post seems to strike the meta point most thoroughly. The reactions of women don't matter since fish can't teach fishermen. It's us, stifling the narrative.

That said, this narrative is as old as man. It's just that all the men did know back then, and would share it with their sons and nephews in places women were simply not allowed, or not present.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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