[Discussion] Why is discussing game at the level of TRP/Seduction so taboo compared to everything else?

July 8, 2014
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This is sort of a fork off yesterday's post I did after having a quick late night chat with /u/bradyo2 when we talked about why talking about game in detail sort of makes people uncomfortable and spoken mostly in public with powertalk and posture talk, but RARELY straight talk.

It started off by me saying, "I know a lot more men are into seduction type material, but they'll never admit it, and when they do it's very brief." Where he followed up agreeing that he too notices that when he's talked about it that his friends will be very nonchalant and sort of uncomfortable talking about the conscious persuasion aspects of it.

And it sort of got me thinking, why is it okay when training a sales person to say something straight like, "When recruiting a volunteer for your cause on campus the trick is to invite them to go hang out with you. Then socialize with them and have a good time, even if you really don't like them. This creates a feeling where they feel the need to 'return' the favor, so next time you invite them to a political rally they'll feel obligated to attend. And if you brought them out that first time with your friends, and YOU showed them a good time, they'll start viewing you as a leader and subsiquently want to bring their friends to events, because people like introducing friends to fun leader friends of theirs -- it makes them feel cool", but if you ever get to that level of detail in a seduction realm, "BAM!" everyone starts getting uncomfortable?

I'm allowed to roughly touch it and say something like, "If women didn't really like jerks like, then there would be no jerks -- evolution would have weeded them out millenniums ago. The only reason they still exist is because it's still a successful sexually strategy" and it'll get a decent response, but now if I go into WHY women like jerks, no one wants to talk about it.

You see a lot of this with general population talks on game where it's very light and overhead, "Yeah, man, if you want more girls, you just got to keep cool and have more swagger." You also see this online with BP types when guys ask what is the BP alternative and all they get back is some feel good BS, and then they storm off frustrated because they never actually explained how to get those traits, and why those traits work.

This is a typical type BS Response most will have when talking about game:
Him: "Hey how do I get more women?"
Them "Just start being cool and someone people want to be around!"
Him "Yeah, yeah, yeah, no shit, I get that. But how do I become cool and fun to be around?"
Them: "Well get some some hobbies and start going out more often!"
Him: "Yeah no shit, I want to do that. But I'm still awkward and no matter where I go I'm still a loser. I want to be like my Buddy Kevin who pulls in a lot of attractive women. I've been going out for ages and women still don't want me."
Them: "Well you just need to be more confident."
Him: "Is there a drug for that? Because it's hard to feel confident when I feel like a loser in every social interaction."
Them: "Well, you just need to work on being a great person. Listen to what they have to say, be patient, always there for them, and always willing to help!"
Him: "Why do you think that would help? Because Kevin is none of that, he's pretty cocky, selfish, loud, and rarely patient. In fact, I'm really nice to people, always try to help, and am a great listener. But that hasn't changed anything, women don't pay me much attention. I want to become the type of guy that attracts high quality women. It doesn't make any sense"
Them: "Well, you seem like a great person and I'm sure you'll find a good women soon enough! Just give it some time, man!"
Him: "Yeah But I don't want to just dick around. I want to start pulling in chicks now... You know what, fuck it, I'm going to TRP."

The deep analysis and "why" aspects are completely ignored.

So let me non-ironically ask, "Why do people behave this way when it comes to game and nothing else."


I'll start with my theory on it and would love if others could jump in and offer some insight:

It is an honest discussion of people's ego's in the most vulnerable of places

People have no problem saying, "Yeah I suck at sales because I just can't deal with people all day like that. It's just not my thing talking so much," or "Yeah, I'm terrible at large social events. It's just too loud for me and I get social anxiety in really large crowds." However, you'll rarely hear someone say, "Yeah I'm terrible with women because I'm a loser who can't get with women." Admitting one has failed at those other things is no big deal, because it doesn't really define a person so much, but admitting one is terrible at the fundamental thing we are alive for and what people strive for on a constant basis, is humiliating -- Saying you suck at being social is one thing, but saying you suck at forming intimate sexual bonds with the opposite gender is another thing. And people really want to avoid the latter.

Let's be honest, attracting the opposite sex is a BIG deal to most. It's a biological drive that has created the world we see today. Women have competed to be the most beautiful and emotionally understanding to get the man who created the most value as possible. And the man created the most value as possible to get the most beautiful and emotionally fun spirited and understanding woman as possible. One's ability to attract a mate says A lot about the individual. In a competitive world, we've been conditioned to be our best, and what type of mate we can get says a whole lot about who we our in the eyes of our society.

So when people openly talk about things like seduction, and dwelve deep into "why" X tactic works, it makes people highly uncomfortable. It's putting their identity on the table. It's lining up the losers and the winners. And not in a dodgeball fashion, but on a personal identity fashion. It lines up the winners and the loser based on who they are as a human being and as member in society. It's openly saying to the guy in front of you, "You fail because society doesn't value the type of person you are. In the sexual market place, you are akin to a immigrant gardener. And being an immigrant gardener in the economic realm is one thing, but being an immigrant gardener within the most important thing to a human being(intimacy, value, acceptance, love), is another."

That's why I think men are so reluctant to openly talk about game -- it's demasculating. He opens a book on game and starts reading it, he's not going to run to his buddies and say, "Hey Tom, I know the reason you can't get girls to talk to you! It's because you're a bitch and not a single quality girl thinks your personality has ANY value traits. Literally, everything about you turns them off! Here, Tom, let me spend the next 20 minutes telling you why your such a pathetic bitch and have been for years!" No one wants to hear that. No one wants to talk about that. A lot of it has to do with people not wanting to confront uncomfortable truths about the world and their reality -- because frankly TRP has it's name because just that, and people don't like confronting the fact that they are often losers within social interactions, and the winners don't want to admit that that's why they are the winners.

Egos just get too involved, and it makes people far too uncomfortable. Remember this isn't just talking about a skill of theirs, no this is talking about their ENTIRE identity. This is why you have guys like that fucker I wont name that shot up that school, spend hours being part of Anti-PUA communities. Deep down, he knew he was a pathetic loser.... He even admitted it. It infuriated him that sexual attention from women, something he longed for greatly, was completely void in his life. He hated that he knew he had no value to women at all. And when he came around the Seduction world where it discussed how to pick up women, it basically hit him in every insecure nerve possible. It basically told him why he's a loser, why he's failing, and why who he is will never get with women.

So he built up his self defense and started hamstering about. He started vehemently fighting against the very thing that was assaulting his ego. He was trying so hard to deny reality, that he spent time trying to lobby against it. But at the end of the day, he knew who he was and that baggage all came crushing down.

You'll probably notice that much of our detractors and opponents are much like this, though without the crazy murderous tendencies (at least I hope). Most of the BP and anti-Seduction crowd who literally spend their days raging against a community that wants to be left alone, are these losers. EVERY SINGLE TIME I've seen a picture of a BPer, they have been exactly what TRP would define as a social or romantic loser. I'm not exaggerating when I say EVERY SINGLE TIME either (though I'm sure there are some exceptions out there) the women are unattractive, and the men look like run-of-the-mill incel types.

So this is why it's taboo to talk about. It's a direct assault on the ego. No one wants to be an asshole and explain how someone else is a loser. No one wants to admit to themselves why they are such a loser. It's just much easier culturally to NOT talk about it in detail and just hope people figure it out on their own -- and let the winners and losers fall where they may.

Anyways, what are your thoughts? Why do you think Seduction is so taboo? Why is it okay to talk about other shit in extreme detail, but seduction is the only exception?

Dicks 'n titties, -Senator

EDIT: Thanks for the gold, stranger. I owe you an "old fashion" during the next patriarchy meeting.

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Title [Discussion] Why is discussing game at the level of TRP/Seduction so taboo compared to everything else?
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Date July 8, 2014 7:16 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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