Don't try to help people who don't ask for help

[deleted] · 2015-10-25T16:42:38+00:00

Most people that ask you for help only want you to reconfirm what they want to believe anyway. Most instances where I have been asked for advice it was promptly ignored and the person just did what they wanted to do anyway. So it's a bigger waste of time than you even realize. The only ways to learn are to be thirsty for knowledge, not validation.

red_pill_account1 · 2015-10-25T17:02:16+00:00

I got here through some guys ranting about TRP in some Askreddit thread, thank you faggots!

10opticalrp · 2015-10-25T22:51:15+00:00

I have this blue pill friend orbiting a few girls. After having talked to him a few times bro to bro, i sensed that he knows his interactions with girls are faulty, he just does not know what the problem is exactly. I have been telling him all kind of red pill material labeling it as psychology of male/female dynamic i have read about in books. Man i could see how his face lit up everytime like some little kid who finally found out where his mom hides the candy from him. Now i'm astonished by the amount of redpill/mgtow statements he keeps making, you could argue that he's been an avid follower of these subs for a long time.

I still like to believe that for every beta out there, there is an Alpha who still haven't found himself yet.

Assassin1476 · 2015-10-25T17:16:51+00:00

One of my good friends from high school who was raised by a single mother was a sapphire colored blue pill when it came to women. I would literally spend hours walking him through what to tell a girl and what her words and actions meant oppose to what he thought. Every now and then he would listen to my advice and apply it which will work, something that surprised him. So that sapphire blue personality was starting to turn purple with the introduction of my ruby red personality that was finally finding way through his thick fucking skull.

I wouldn't talk to him for a couple days or maybe a week, hit him up and see how things progressed and he fell back into ocean blue pill mode again. After dealing with this for about a year, as well as this type of mentality from a few of my other friends, I had decided with my new years resolution for 2015 to not associate myself with these type of people, whether friends or family, no matter how close. This article is absolutely right. You can't save people who don't want to save themselves.

duckrelish · 2015-10-25T18:50:05+00:00

I don't teach anybody anything unless they specifically ask and you know they will follow through. Why waste your mental energy when it's just going to fall on deaf ears?

thefisherman1961 · 2015-10-25T23:49:35+00:00

My friends are pure betas, I've tried on numerous occasions to lead them in the right direction, but majority of the time they say that's dumb thinking and won't get you anywhere

One of my blue pill friends will agree with what I say to do, but then he will almost always turn around and do the exact opposite of what I said. Then I'll have to hear him tell me cringeworthy stories about the fallout from being too beta.

He falls fast for girls he bangs because he has one-itis complex and will commit to them easily. Girls that I can tell from a mile away are not LTR material, and I let him know what I think, but the male hamster kicks in and he commits to them anyway. He will pay for meals and purchase gifts and engagement rings that he can't afford. He refuses to employ any dread when their behavior gets out of line. (He does have solid frame though, I'll give him that.) He will break frame and basically beg them not to dump him when they inevitably lose interest.

After discovering TRP, women seem to operate like clockwork. I could have written an essay that described exactly how his most recent relationship was going to play out and how long it was going to last. Even though I so badly want to tell him about Red Pill, I keep my mouth shut.

All-DayErrDay · 2015-10-25T18:42:05+00:00

TRP is something that, at best, should be hinted about unless you have absolute full trust in someone and are rather close to them. It's just not something you want to go spouting around to everyone if you want to be liked in general.

[deleted] · 2015-10-26T17:06:18+00:00

You cannot help someone until they are ready to help themselves. We feel for them because many of us were once in that place, and the indoctrination is pretty hard, but until they come willing to learn they will reject it outright

if you want to help someone use the logic but not the terms. Coming from the right context most men AND women agree with everything on this sub. I generally save that for in person advice because a degree of trust has been established and the cause is more well known. Too many variables with people online, why try to give life changing advice to someone who is likely 15 and full of shit

orloffm · 2015-10-26T11:03:21+00:00

That is a very important universal point. It's even promoted in Christian literature very seriously. Don't give advice if not asked, don't help if not asked. Your words will either go into sand or will cause you or the other person harm. You never know what the other person really needs and you will never help him.

Rasalom72 · 2015-10-26T16:20:58+00:00

Ah, but even Neo needed Morpheus to give him the red pill, and he was "The One". If you see a friend, and he might be ready to choose, you have the responsibility to give him the choice, like Morpheus.

Then, if he chooses to wake up in his own bed, well, at least you tried... and you can slowly cut ties with him, and let him drift off into the deep blue ocean.

sub180 · 2015-10-26T22:13:08+00:00

I've mentored a guy in college before.

Took him lifting. Told him to stop fucking whining about women. etc.

Some people are receptive if they can see you're good at what they would like to be.

[deleted] · 2015-10-25T23:03:07+00:00

Solid post.

I would add "Betas like and enjoy being betas". They don't like the results, but they don't see anything wrong with themselves.

If you find yourself in the presence of a distressed beta, run away! If you can't be sympathetic "I hear you man...... stuff like that keeps happening to you.... I fells so sorry for you man", and then eject! "Look at the time, I have to go now."

Title	Don't try to help people who don't ask for help
Author	MAX_Fury
Upvotes	71
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Date	October 25, 2015 4:33 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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