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[–]Doctor7319 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I went to a party with one of my female friends from a class. Most of her guy friends were the typical lifterbros and trying to act "alpha" (they made jokes about memes and TRP terminology outloud). I called them out on it and said some blue pill stuff the girls loved. Later fucked the girl and we laughed about how the alphas were probably at home jerking off.
I guess the lesson is don't be obvious as fuck about trying to replicate the shit on this site. It is cringeworthy and girls can smell it a mile away and they just laugh. I played it cool and that often works infinitely better than pure chest thumpin "alpha" behavior
[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire29 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lifterbros trying to act alpha = beta. Guy who singlehandedly disrupts their frame, makes them look like fools, and then uses targeted rhetoric to win over his intended audience = alpha.
[–]1bradyo27 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
they made jokes about memes
This is one of the least Alpha behaviours I can possibly think of. I think you came across dorks who went to the gym.
[–]Blood891 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's what I wanted to point out as well. As soon as I read that part, all other traits are going down the drain. It's way too try hard.
Don't act hard cause you go to the gym.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
what a twist..alpha goes beta...stays alpha, but nobody knows ;) haha
Also, what is the phrase, walk softly but carry a big stick. Being alpha is kind of like fight club, don't talk about it..just be it. Confidence being probably the biggest one.
[–]chakravanti931 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He won by having the confidence to flip the script. That's an alpha move. It worked because the woman could see he was intelligent enough to not eat his own bullshit, and demonstrate why to those yet to learn.
[–]projectself10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
..the thing about married women, you are competing against one guy, a sorry beat down bastard. with single women, you are competing against every dick in town.. yeah.. it's pretty much that simple.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
a sorry beat down bastard
that seems a bit harsh, especially if he really is a solid guy, and his wife is just a whore.
[–]projectself2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
that is not the definition of a whore.. that's the definition of a woman.. all women are like that. never underestimate this solid fact.
(under the right circumstances) .. every woman on the planet is 30 minutes from her next relationship.
never underestimate a woman's desire to be in a relationship, and if she is already in one, never underestimate her desire to be in a better one.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Guess I haven't experienced enough sorry, defeat, cheating, etc... to feel any of those explanations. Generally speaking, I think most of what you said can easily be applied to men as well. My father is a perfect example of this... despite his money, power, connections, etc..I have never looked at him as "alpha".
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[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
dat ad hominem
Yea I know, shitty example.
[–]variableLt2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the thing about married women, you are competing against one guy, a sorry beat down bastard. with single women, you are competing against every dick in town
Sometimes. Sometimes being married doesn't stop them from sampling every dick in the town.
[–]1FrogTrainer2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I was actually a beta who got TONS of ass in college. Sometimes by stealing it from alphas.
Being charming and good looking makes it a lot easier.
Could never turn the one night stands into anything regular because the girls got to know me... They said I was "too cheesy", "too nice", etc.
I was just playing the prince charming role I thought women wanted. Take them on dates, buy them things, open doors for them, be the perfect fucking gentleman. As soon as they saw this they were like blech.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
so the beta traits INITIALLY get you into their pants, but over time their legs start closing? I was under the impression most betas have trouble with initially getting in their pants, and it's the alphas that have a higher initial success rate.
[–]1FrogTrainer1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think a lot of it was "accidental alpha" while drunk and horny at a bar/party. A phenomenon described here a lot.
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[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
possessing both I think is the best. There are times where beta is completely acceptable.
The best way is to "afford it" and use powertalk.
[–]1FrogTrainer0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just goes to show no one is really red or blue. We are all varying shades of purple.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
This is common with a lot of hipster dudes. They get a lot of ass in college, but I'd say its a result of appearing rich more than anything because girls going out with those guys would back up into my crotch at parties while when roaming away from their boyfriends and talking to someone else.
[–]1FrogTrainer1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I sure as fuck wasn't a douche hipster.
Hell, hipster wasn't even a word when I was in college. But no, I wasn't that.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not saying you were one, but it just came to mind after what you said.
[–]SpongeCroft0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
my ex-gf cheated on me with her ex-bf (didn't fuck but kiss, was already enough for me), whom she's been 2 years together with. it happened out of the blue when we were 8 months together. he was very beta, always did what she told him, buying her shit and putting her on a plate. like i said, they've been together for over 2 years, but didn't have sex. i've been her first. fucked that little bitch after 'bout 2 months.
things she... admired? in him, IMO:
he bought her way more stuff since he has a considerably better paid job (i'm in an apprenticeship right now, not even 500€/month) plus a wealthier family, while mine is dirt poor.
they texted more then i did with her. i hate texting and don't do it when i'm at work. i have more important stuff to do.
he always obeyed if she wanted something. i only did if i found her arguments for it reasonable.
see, he gave her more attention, put her on a pedestal and just committed himself to her entirely. i did so too, but i don't run after a gf whom i consider an equal partner in a serious relationship. i would surely be romantic and do her favors, buy her gifts for anniversaries or such, but not as much as him.
they got back together shortly after we seperated, she told me she regretted it. told me she didn't want to lose me and regrets how everything went. i fell for it, which was a mistake. NEVER EVER consider that a woman actually does what she tells you. only actions count.
that little beta bitch will get his tiny faggotheart broken by the hoe he doesn't realize is one, once again... i will always have been her first, and damn i fucked that little shy piece of whore senseless, something he couldn't achieve in 2 years because of how much of a beta he is. i learnt a lot from that relationship, and lots of mistakes i made (keeping frame mostly...) won't happen again.
thank you for helping me through this TRP. i discovered this sub when we were still together, and it made me realize a lot of stuff that went wrong in my LTR's before. during and after the breakup i knew there would be no future for us and never will be, but "my heart" insisted on trying and getting stabbed into once again. i started working out a few weeks ago and am getting into considerably better shape at a rate i didn't think was possible. have a nice weekend guys
Edit: maybe i should mention that she cheated on him with me after they got back together ;) but we didn't just kiss, if you know what i mean.
fuck that bitch. only because she was a virgin before i came doesn't mean she can't be a fuckin whore. she cheated on all of her former boyfriends excluding one which was her first when she was like 14. once again, cheating as in making out with other guys then her bf.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
as cliche as it sounds, some people can't be "fixed" no matter how alpha, dominant, etc... you are. If someone has a pattern of cheating, they are going to cheat. It's in their DNA. So obviously it didn't matter how good you were to her, or in bed..obviously you were sexually superior..but it didn't matter, she wanted something different/new. That sucks bro. I am sorry.
One of the questions I wanted to ask in TRP or asktrp was this. I get a strong indication from the stuff I have read that betas are the ones who buy flowers, gifts, etc... and alphas don't have to. I want to call bullshit on that, because human beings enjoy being given something of value and meaning. I have displayed beta traits (upon reflection) in my marriage, but at the same time I also have some alpha traits. But I have gotten my wife flowers, written romantic cards, remember special days or plan something awesome for our anniversaries. I don't think those alone would qualify me as beta...again talking WIFE here, not a gf. So is the difference being that a beta guy will shower a girl with compliments, gifts, gestures thinking it will win her over, but an alpha guy will still get her nice stuff, but only at the right time, with the right meaning, and done in a way where it should mean the most?
[–]SpongeCroft0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
what i experience with myself is that if i love a woman (and damn, i loved her), i automatically buy her shit, make her feel good/compliment her or such, not because i think it will make her love me more or give me any other benefit, but because i love that person and just want to make her feel good... it's all about the dose in which you do something, if you have a very inexperienced/naive gf however, she'll feel good if other men make her feel good. and if she has the feeling that another guy "cares" more about her (e.g. more gifts, more writing, acting like a pussy and always has the same opinion as her to avoid conflict), she'll get "stolen" easily.
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I am not sure if there is a term for it..only thing I can think is the "bar" is always moving.
This particular girls bar has moved quite a bit, despite her regrets of leaving you, she has now experienced another guy who showers her with tons of gifts...and that has moved her bar where she likely will expect that with other men, unless they are compensating all of that with something else that blows her mind (mind blowing sex, maybe fullfilling another hole in her life, etc..)
Take a girl who has been beaten down her whole life, shitty relationships, etc.. She meets a guy who wants to hold her hand...she has never had a guy hold her hand, she is smitten. But now another guy she meets not only holds her hand, but he bought her flowers. No guy has ever bought her flowers. She meets another guy who holds her hand, buys her flowers, and bought her a piece of jewelry. No guy has ever bought her jewelry. And the process continues, but there is a snowballs chance in hell she ever finds herself back with a man who just "holds her hand" per se, because she has tasted nicer things. Unless, however, he fullfills another need in her life. And this is when cheating happens.
The whole rich vs poor guy scenario. The rich guy, 9 times out of 10, will likely win the girl over in terms of having her in his life and a relationship. That doesn't mean he is rocking her world emotionally or sexually..in which case, she might be going to the poor "alpha" guy who bangs her senseless, but in the end...she won't end up with the poor alpha guy..she will always return to beta Mr Rich. So only solution...stay alpha, and become rich :) haha kidding...somewhat.
[–]SpongeCroft0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
when i talked to her about it, she said one of three things:
"I'm so sorry"
"It felt so... familiar" (you've been together for two years bitch, what do you think how it feels seeing him???)
Tried to make up justifications, or trying to make me feel like an asshole... she brought up situations from MONTHS before, for example me being angry at her because she told me her ex-bf wrote her more during the day or criticizing me for having a beard (?!).... i kicked her out after she told me she had kissed him (she told me the day after it happened), and didn't even try to contact me or save the relationship in the weeks afterwards... i mean cheating and then be angry that i was angry, wtf is up in her head?
i'm planning on getting rich, luckily i have some time left to accomplish that at 20 years of age
[–]pleasedontknowme30[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
my SO has brought up shit that happened 6 years ago, to try and flip things around on me that she did to me in the last couple of years. And in hindsight, they aren't even comparable in terms of "severity".
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
On the first question - All the damn time yeah. On paper i should be the AMOG among my friends, in reality my short mate with the bad skin pulls in more tail than i can most of the time, and he's hardly alpha. He's currently got oneitis over a fat girl he's dating who dropped the L word on date 2 and had a full blown facebook conversation with his mother, on his phone, while he slept after date 3. Didnt stop him banging a mortician (Sorry, cremation technician haha) midweek and calling me to cry about it ¬_¬
Strangely a lot of the time when ive had married plates their husbands have actually sounded pretty alpha, though most of the time i never met them. My current regular side dish has a boyfriend of 17 years with 2 kids, and regularly describes him as an asshole, arrogant, dick, etc. On paper all things that indicate interest. But in practice she reckons she hasnt shared a bed with him in over a year and when ive suggested (When i couldnt be arsed to go over) that she gets some from him, she says the idea is repulsive.
It's almost like married and alpha is rarely considered a "positive" and a married woman is likely to get comfort, sex, etc.. from a beta, then from another alpha man. Case in point in another thread I am involved in, this woman wrote this:
My husband is the "traditional" Alpha male, whereas my AP has often described himself as beta. I've pointed out that, in reality, he is the alpha using that paradigm, because he is the one I want and desire completely, and the only male I would ever willingly submit to. My "alpha" husband is completely selfish in every aspect of our life together. He does not listen to or respect my needs in or out of the bedroom. Why would any woman want that? This whole alpha/beta thing is silly. Let's just call it what it is - alphas are jerks. Some women like jerks. Most intelligent women don't.
and there was also this comment
I agree that the A/B is irrelevant when it comes to affairs. An alpha male comes across as selfish, which makes him seem like he wouldn't care about pleasing me.
So that being said, am I potentially hurting myself in my marriage by trying to eliminate my beta traits and going alpha? I don't accept alpha to mean "be a dick, arrogant, selfish". I think a true alpha male knows what he wants, treats people how he knows they should be treated (and how he himself wants to be treated), satisfies his partner, maintains frame, etc... but you don't have to ever be a dick or an asshole to achieve those things.
[–]oldblackcoffee0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course there will be situations where women choose to be with betas. The point of TRP isn't to become a PUA and score on every single woman out there - the point is to do what's best for you.
You don't want to become the beta who is wasting time and money on a woman who has a sense of entitlement. You don't want to waste your life talent and ability on becoming someone's beta-provider just so you can score some poon. You want to be the alpha that women flock to.
As an alpha, you're either not interested in an LTR or you're looking for a higher quality woman who will accept your dominance. If a particular woman doesn't want an alpha then you understand that she'll be nothing but trouble for you - so you "next" her.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, one problem i have with applying RP principles to getting women is that sometimes beta's "outwork" me. Meaning we know not to doust women with attention and not to beg them for attention,compliment them, ect. So i play it cool, neg them occasionally, and almost always they prefer me over these betas. But the problem is the betas spend so much more time with these chicks that they get more from them than i.
This is more my problem than RP in general, if i were to simply up my aggressiveness a tiny bit i wouldblow these beta's out of the water.
then do that!
[–]bergaman4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Disagree. I have been in both sides, the beta and the rp, when you get what you want from a girl as a beta, you are getting it at a much higher price, you feel that you are doing a lot of effort for what this alpha can just do in a few minutes and a lot less commitment.
Now in the alpha side, I see these beta dudes trying hard with girls I usually flirt with easily, and all I have to do is show up and, suddenly, I become the centre of her attention and she stops flirting with the other guys and starts flirting with me.
Try using this to your advantage, make yourself unavailable, uncommitted, different form those other betas.
[–]bleh3210 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This.
The effort level required is so much more. Heck! Even in BP state, you become blind to red flags and begin worrying more and more about 'appeasement' rather than your own satisfaction.
In TRP state it's easy.... everything goes the way you want. The only thing you need to do is make sure you are captain and maintain command on what to do/decision making.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, but only to really good looking betas.
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