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Hip hop fans and fathers, we need to talk...

May 31, 2017
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Title Hip hop fans and fathers, we need to talk...
Author WhySoRuff
Upvotes 32
Comments 62
Date May 31, 2017 12:28 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]boyifyoudontiswear45 points46 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm a big hip hop fan as well so I read this but I don't see the point of the post or the relation to TRP. You touch upon some intriguing observations but don't actually tie it together

[–]ramby27274 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yup he missed the main point: rap is just another brainwashing tool and is a weapon used to influence and control black youth and poor urban areas. this rap music is an asset for ensuring the prison populations are stacked, kids go from pre-k to prison. in the Iran contra scandal the CIA was making millions bringing in cocaine and selling it, and the crack ruined neighborhoods and ruined the reputation of powerful black leaders.

America has always hated and been afraid of powerful upstanding black men, and they turned rap into this monster to make poor populations more easily controlled. also the government definitely killed tupac and anyone with a brain knows this, Tupac began to call out the government and speak a positive message and the CIA/Us gov did not like the level of influence he wielded. I mean the MLK death and situation only further supports all this, MLK's family sued the government regarding the official story of his death and they won millions, even MLK's death is fishy as fuck. wish the red pill discussed government corruption more and propaganda because that stuff in turn affects every other aspect of society, including us men always being taught that the blue pill way is the right one by society and media when that is not the case.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You also missed the mark.

Hip hop and music today isn't marketed to the "poor". It's marketed to everyone.

It's not an accident searching YouTube for "Peek A Boo" might get you this degenerate rapper's cult music video as mentioned by OP.

Our MSM wants to brainwash ALL our kids and if any of you ever have children you should avoid YouTube and television outside of PBSKids.

Modern tech on the internet allows us to tie into mainstream entertainment disparate things as hypersexulized targeting for children.

I'm not joking.

This is by design and it's disgusting.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The true purpose of art, music, and dance

Currently, I'm reading the book "The Creation of Inequality: How our prehistoric ancestors set the stage for monarchy, slavery, and empire" by Kent Flannery and Joyce Marcus as research. In this book, they use field studies of scientists who have lived among isolated hunter-gatherers AKA foragers over the past few centuries, especially among first contact such as the Native Americans and Columbus, Cortez in South America, Europeans in Australia and New Guinea, etc plus the ancient physical findings from archaeologists to determine how human beings lived throughout human existence. One thing they found universal, was religion. Every, single, one of them. The vast majority of tribes or even small bands built their houses around a central socializing area or had a structure built for the sole purpose of religious activity. Every social act that you witness in today's foragers was a manifestation of their cosmology. In other words, if you don't understand why they do "this" or "that", the logic can be found from interpreting their human origination myths. Religion was their ethics (how to live).

Before the invention of writing (~3500-3000BCE), which is thought to have occurred right after agriculture was invented to keep track of food surplus, religion (thus ethics, how to live) was past down verbally (a limitation, and relevant to the subject). Given this limitation, below, I will cite passages from the book that theorize the purpose of "art, music, and dance".

<citation (Pg. 62-65)>

"Aranda elders knew, of course, that each new generation would have to learn its group's cosmology from scratch. An appropriate time to indoctrinate youths into all this sacred lore would come when they were old enough to be initiated [You're born into family, but you're initiated to the group]. Young men would learn male lore from older men; young women would learn female lore from older women.

Anyone who has ever tried to deliver a long, complicated lecture to young people know that they do not always pay attention. Let them watch music videos over and over, however, and they commit every lyric to memory. Combine art, music, and dance, throw in an intoxicating beverage, and they cannot get enough of the awesome experience.

The Aranda held a secret ritual known as 'churinga ilpintira', which integrated art, music, and dance. It was performed at a secret venue in the desert and began with a group of men smoothing an area of bare ground. One or more would provide blood, often as much as a pint, from veins in their arms. This sacred blood was used both to dampen the ground and to serve as a medium for the paint. Impersonating legendary ancestors, the men serving as artists painted their bodies red, white, yellow, and black, adding downy bird feathers glued on with blood. Using a chewed twig as a brush, they slowly painted the earth with white pipe clay, red and yellow ocher, and charcoal. As the painting took shape, the elders sang ballads recounting the mythical exploits of the ancestors; less experienced men watched and learned.

[...]

Redundancy drove the story home: the paintings, the songs, and the artists' decorated bodies all reinforced the same account. Repetition of the ritual ensured that no one would forget his or her clan's creation myth"

The 'curinga ilpintira' allows us to see why cosmology, religion, and the arts were crucial to hunters and gatherers. Ice Age foragers had language but no writing. The lessons of myth were passed on audiovisually. Performances combining art, music, and dance fixed in memory the myth and its moral lessons.

We doubt that art, music, and dance arose independently. More than likely they evolved as a package that committed sacred lore to memory more effectively than any lecture. If you doubt this, think back to high school and ask yourself which you remember best: your math teacher's lecture on logarithms or the words to the number-one song on the jukebox. Many baby boomers, unable to remember the hypotenuse of a right triangle, will never forget that "Long Tall Sally" was "Built for Speed".

In Western society today we have lost sight of the original purpose of art, music, and dance. We now attribute art to individual "geniuses," born with a "gift" that yearns to "burst out" in an act of "self-expression." Those without talent need not apply.

The truth is that in early human society, everyone was an artist, a singer, and a dancer. What the archaeological data suggest is that the use of the arts increased as larger social units appeared, because each moiety, clan, section, or subsection had its own body of sacred lore to commit to memory.

[...]

In addition to transmitting secret ritual information, the 'churinga ilpintira' was designed to elicit an awesome emotional response. Rappaport suspects that precursors to human emotions might have been the deep bonds of love and dependence seen between mother and neonate in the apes. But emotion in humans evolved to be even stronger, strong enough to make intelligent people do irrational things, strong enough to inspire the selfless acts that strengthen society. Dancing, drinking, and signing for days, as some tribes did, opened a window into the spirit world and thereby confirmed its existence.

If all of this of this sounds mysterious it may be because, as Edward O. Wilson once wrote, the ultimate motivation of religion is probably hidden from our conscious mind, allowing it to be the process by which "individuals are persuaded to subordinate their immediate self-interest to the interests of the group."

Freed from the continual status confrontations of ape society, human foragers created extensive networks of cooperating pseudo-relatives. They transmitted their cosmology and sacred propositions to the next generation with rituals involving song, dance, and art. Such multimedia performances created highly emotional experiences. Pictures were more memorable than a thousand words, and our ancestors, like modern filmmakers, used music to evoke happiness, sorrow, fear, and tension. "Art for art's sake" is a relatively recent idea; Stone Age art, like the religious art of the Middle Ages, had an agenda."

</citation>

There were other relevant passages from the book "The World Until Yesterday" by Jared Diamond (the author of Guns, Germs, and Steel), however, I did not take notes on it the time I read it. Gotta get back to it.

This should zero your sights on big religious figures such as the pope, or media company titans in Hollywood or the music industry. This is the reason for the funny hats, speaking in tongues, the bones and dice, and other seemingly nonsense decoration and performances.

To keep the topic appropriate to the sub, expand this thinking to the Misandry Bubble [sidebar] and all the SJW infections we're currently seeing in 'modern art', commercials, films, etc. Think about how modern art, music, and video has gotten political and focused on pushing ideologies. I didn't think much of 'conspiracy theories' (a term warped by the government after the assassination of JFK to make truth seekers seem crazy for not believing things such as 'magic bullet theory', followed by the removal of his brain) regarding the CIA and elite figures purposely infiltrating the arts to shift the culture to degeneracy such as pushing forward concepts such as 'gender fluidity' (look up gender unicorn in Canada school curriculum), trannys, and 'diversity', etc but after reading the passage above, I believe it full-heartedly.

TL;DR Art is used to transmit a desired culture.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Behind music, film, and art is money. Money is ultimately controlled by the government. The government is therefore behind cultural forms.

Additionally, films and albums must be profitable. To be profitable, you need to reach the max amount of consumers. Cultural products are thus designed for the lowest common denominator.

So, mainstream art/media/entertainment is supposed to make you dumb and poor while pushing a political agenda. The programming is obvious. You can't miss it unless you are mentally dead.

Ultimately, force radiates out from the people who maintain the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence (the gov). These people are the "prime creators" in society, and every one else falls in line behind them. People lower on the totem pole execute the gov's Will without even realizing it.

[–]SmoothBeliever8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You choose a book for reading

[–]legendslayer points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Commercial rap is garbage, even jcole and lamar are a big step down from guys like Big L, Pun, Biggie and nas. Record Labels push what sells, and right now thats shitty music for white kids to get blackout drunk at the club.

[–]Hiimusog-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really don't see how you can call JCole or Lamar garbage. Seriously, music is such a subjective thing, which also has nothing to do with TRP.

Just listen to what you enjoy and remember its just sound not a bible meant to be studied and praised...

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kendrick Lamar-DNA. There is still solid shit out there.

[–]Need2LickMuff16 points17 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

IT'S TOO LONG; I DIDN'T READ IT

[–]WhySoRuff[S] 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The epitome of the stereotypical millennial with an 8 second attention span has gotten up votes because other millennials find his stupidity appealing. I can only assume you haven't read a single book in your life because it is "too long" and you couldn't be bothered to read it.

[–]patrice_plz_come_bac7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no moralising read the fucking rules

[–]De4thGr1n1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its just not interesting or insightful. Im a millennial with 6 second attention span. I forced myself to read the whole thing, but in the end, I want these minutes back. I didnt learn anything I didnt know.

[–]wendysNO1wcheese2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe he reads so many books he doesn’t have time to read some psuedo-intellectual gobbledygook on the internet.

[–]Need2LickMuff2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

durrr what does epitome mean

Maybe if you were J.R.R. Tolkien I'd read your novel, but instead you're WhySoRuff from TRP talking pontificating on about a boring ass subject like it's insightful and deserves 20 paragraphs.

Edited for accuracy.

[–]Hiimusog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read it all, don't worry, you're really not missing out on anything remotely useful.

[–]TheRedThrowAwayPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR:

MSM is pushing a hypersexualized, gender fluid, ultra beta cuck propaganda model and is directly targeting your kids via YouTube.

[–]SuperSneekerz points points [recovered] | Copy Link

Don't hate on my man thugga and yachty, but yea i agree 90s rap music was more masculine, but most rap still has the fuck bitches get money vibe fortunately

[–]Huskimbo91 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck them "not a rapper " ass fuckboys.

[–]Hiimusog-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those "not a rapper" fuckboys are so much more successful than I guarantee 99% of this sub. Who gives a fuck if you don't like their music, they are doing their thing and its proving to be very successful.

Don't project your regret and anger for not succeeding with your own passions lol.

[–]Huskimbo90 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You thinking about the wrong thing playa pimp. Not saying your wrong as far as success goes but the actual rapping ability of these cars are setting the bar low for the genre.

I won't bother with your last sentence .

[–]waking-life1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hip Hop fan since the late 80s. While what you're saying is true, you must note that you are talking about popular rappers and, as such, pop music. My personal belief is that there is a point where your music sells so much and is so popular that it is just that - pop music - and almost stops being the genre you started out on. Michael Jackson, Prince, Drake, Madonna - all the same genre to me.

Undergound Hip Hop always has been and always will be the real shit. I have a friend whose 9 year old son likes certain Canibus tracks. So fathers still have a choice as to how to raise their kids. Just choose what you play around them.

[–]WhySoRuff[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a fan of Canibus, and if you want to hear a song to epitomize the industry listen to Canibus - Hype-nitis.... dont ever forget that perception is more important than truth.

[–]TunedtoPerfection4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude... You are so far off it's not even funny.

Rap has never been and will never be "locker room talk." Locker room talk is bullshit guys pass around that in reality means absolutely jack shit, aka the women you have fucked, but we as guys like having fun and those topics are fun so we joke about them.

Rap is about struggle, sacrifice. It's about standing up not for what you ""believe in and feel is right", but when you know needs to be done so you get out of this hellhole you were born in. Rap is about progression past what you were born into and expected to end up in. You make and rap about those millions, not because it will impress men in a locker room, but because you know you needed that to escape the shit hand you were dealt in life.

Streaming music applications target based on what you like and don't like. It's a smart move when your trying to replace radio which is inherently free with a product that cost monthly, has nothing to do with this conversation.

2pac's, "schtick" wasn't thug life... he was a fucking top gang member. He was just one of the many(Dre, Snoop, B.I.G., Easy E, X) that realized you can make a LOT more money rapping then you can selling drugs on a street corner without stress from the cops.

Radio friendly acts entered trying to capitalize on the hot thing that was rap at the time. They didn't just drop violence as a subject of their songs, they never understood it enough to implement it correctly. Songs from people like Nelly have plenty of reference to violence, but they never make the connection like artists that have real life experiences with it and had to deal with it as a part of their life daily. That missed connection made the reference feel forced and unauthentic so they quickly transfer to what is more commonly know as "trap" now a days.

The fact that you truly believe 2005 was the first time any artist dealt

relationships, his addiction and battle with depression, but he never played the victim, always the aggressor.

shows you have a lot to learn about the artform's history. Eminem, B.I.G., Snoop, Dre, Apathy, Jedi Mind Tricks, ALL speak on length on all those topics well before Joe Budden. Also Joe Budden "very skilled"? Come on that's a bit of a stretch he is decent at best...

Sorry but I won't discuss drake in a real conversation about hip hop, he is a pop star that kinda raps plain and simple.

The Aggressiveness has gone down because it is not longer a street art form, so it's going to lose it's edge. If you listen to act rap battles or take the time to find where people actually still vibe about life... rap is still alive and well, it's just back underground where it will thrive.

Eminem didn't call gay people "faggots" he called people acting like a bitch or a punk a faggot. How can you even say your a hip hop fan and completely miss this? It's a CORE fight linguists have been fighting for years. Society and SJW's have hijacked that word as an insult against gay people as a way to forward their fight and message. It never meant that in any years of the usage I have enjoyed using the word, from age 6 to yesterday.

I can honestly say, and I'm sure any rap artist that uses the word will agree, I can give a fuck about who you decide to stick your dick in or rub your pussy against, but if you act like a whiny little bitch I will call you a faggot... because that is what you are... it has nothing to do with who you are attracted sexually.

For the rest of your post, what you are calling rap is known as trap, because actual rap artists fought hard enough to not have that shit pollute their arts nature. Stop listen, talking about, or wasting any energy thinking about that bullshit. Don't get worked up over trap, its just a recycle of what happened to rock and roll in the 80's and it will happen again once the music industry figures out a formula that sells to the next generation and boils it all down like you tried to do in this post.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol pac was not a gang member. ever. stopped reading at that point.

[–]fidgetspinners4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Locker room talk is bullshit guys pass around that in reality means absolutely jack shit

Except this is literally what rap is. Bragging about things that never actually happened and things that you don't have

It's part of the reason black culture loves being "nigger rich" so much

[–]wont_tell_i_refuse3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

a very skilled lyricist named Joe Budden

lol. I like Budden but come now.

its basically a word salad of materialism and sex mixed with sounds like chirps and grunts

It's the soundtrack to our soulless corporate culture of miscegenation.

Lil Yachty

Is actually lit af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyKynObSck

[–]redhonkey341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay?

You can make a lot of the same arguments with rock music and just about every other genre that's been commercialized. The same thing happened when glam metal (poison, motley cru, etc) came out in the 80's, replacing a lot of the the heavier bands before it.

When genres of music are commercialized, record companies promote artists that have the widest appeal to the most amount of people. And guess what: the average Becky from Whitesville, USA, would rather listen to SJW's like Macklemore than some gangster shit. Why do you think bands "sell out"?

Luckily if you look hard enough you can find plenty of artists that play a sound true to the roots of the genre. This is more of a socio-economic issue than anything else.

[–]DeathToTheZog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I ever hear someone say "white privilege" in real life, I am gonna bitch slap said person with everything I have.

[–]acctyupacct0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf? Vaping is not hip hop.

[–]KnowBrainer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't expect to find anything genuine in Hollywood entertainment. By the time anything hits the mainstream media, it's Mickey Mouse.

Seek out earlier works from rappers to get the raw stuff.

Compare Zuse from 2014 and 2016:

2014 - Zuse feat. Snyper - Gun Sounds

2016 - Zuse - Till I Die

Money makes people sell their soul.

[–]Med_rapper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a hip hop head I can officially say: It's dead in America.

[–]Fedor_Gavnyukov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

it was dan quayle that really had it against pac. bob dole just did it for the votes.

[–]M1ster_X0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Goes way deeper than the typical "they don't do hip-hop like they did back in the day" comment you see in every YouTube comment of every video of every track/rapper from the 80's, 90's and early 2000's.

The social engineers have officially and effectively assimilated the genre into their agenda. The last bastion they've yet to contaminate is video games. Once they get their clutches on that medium, the children of today are truly doomed.

[–]De4thGr1n0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that while lil yachty and his bozo friends are a step down, this generation of rap has a much more adult versions of the 90s rap's edginess.

Kendric Lamar and Anderson paak both talk about real young adults problems I think that "misogony"-wise they are the same as earlier generations but it comes into play in a different way, in a more personal "narrative based" way. Kendrick and Anderson would both say things like "sit down bitch. Be humble." But it would refer to more personal experiences rather than "preaching". This shows that these people believe and act upon these beliefs rather than just preach them. And even that among rappers these ideas are basic knowledge.

If you are referring to the tolerance of gays, eminem is now more tolerant to gays then before and generally things have changed. The flamboyantly homosexual stigma of gays is the same stigma except now people try to embrace it (SJW influence that would stop if it wont work, just like all the European's influence of SJW got them to try to embrace multi-culturalism until they understood that it doesnt work and you cant enforce liberal values on refugees and arabs)

[–]scraynes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I speak for everyone when I say who gives a fuck about other people

[–]atlantique160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not exactly sure your overall message here. I am 17 years old and I listen to new rap. It's here for a reason, because people listen to it and like it. It's not lyrical it's the type of music you listen when you want to turn up.

[–]Endorsed Contributorex_addict_bro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why the fuck is this even on the main page. "Fuck rap". This was a quote by the way. From a non-US artist. Go figure.

[–]860_Rhody-1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Hip hop is poison, especially if you're white.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]graymark3-4 points-3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

actually hip hop is the only genre of music where an artist's true intellect can come into play. What other genre of music do you know that focuses on lyricism the way rap does? Tell me more about how poisonous this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3Jmuhy5O04

[–]BargainBinBoyfriend13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

hip hop is the only genre of music where an artist's true intellect can come into play

This is a stupid statement.

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I should've specified, composing is a musical intelligence whereas hiphop incorporates a different kind if intelligence into the music as well. The intelligence of a writer. What other genre can get on their level of depth of writing? Of course musically a loop with a drum kit doesn't come close to the complexity of an entire orchestra, but hip hop is mostly about the poetry.

[–]Need2LickMuff2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How did I know it was going to be DOOM, every white person's favourite 'lyrical' rapper, before I clicked the link.

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you think of a better writer in all of hip hop? The only runner up that comes close is Aesop Rock

[–]Need2LickMuff0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Kool G Rap

Lord Finesse

Big Pun

GZA

Eminem

Chino XL

Nas

Masta Ace

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're all great and they all have a better voice and flow than doom, but Lyrically doom makes them look like first year english majors, while doom is the professor.

[–]Need2LickMuff0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.. DOOM makes fucking Kool G Rapp look like first year.

Suburban kids should stick to punk-pop and leave rap tf alone.

[–]860_Rhody2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Killing people, selling drugs, and filthy streets is not in any way "intellectual". (C)rap is vulgar, primitive, and full of degeneracy. It is not "cool", it is lame. Rappers are losers. No wonder why every single black-dominated neighborhood across the world is a hellhole. Stop being some ghetto sympathizer, afraid to be called racist, and wake up!

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You clearly haven't explored all rap then.

[–]pencilcasserole0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Man, you had to bring doom into this and pick one of his most thuggish songs. Most of his work is more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRn9BRo4Igw

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right that is a better pick but i seriously can't find a single song where his writing isn't on point.

[–]Red_pill_2017 points points [recovered] | Copy Link

You must not have listened in music class throughout school; where you see geniuses such as Beethoven showing much much more intelligence than today's rappers such as future.

[–]1OneRedYear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even the greats like to treat hoes like shit. https://youtu.be/C78HBp-Youk

[–]graymark30 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Beethoven was a musical genius while rappers like MF Doom and Afro are geniuses in the domain of writing/poetry. Most rappers can't compose but I betcha if the Beethoven was alive today he couldn't write as good as MF.

[–]J-F-K0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the dumbest post I've ever skimmed.

[–]fenghsui0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro, you don't get Young Thug. I might be worried about 6Lack, Blackbear, gnash, and Drake. But Thug is gangster. Way more gangster than the norm.

That's exactly why he can wear a dress in such a lane. Prince wore such things too, and Prince was a legendary womanizer and general alpha. You see, if we see a man in a dress, we assume they're weak and broken. Rightly so. But if we see a strong man in a dress, we have the same assumption, and it creates a contradiction in our mind. Then, when the conflict collapses, we come to see them in an even stronger light, because they can break rules that others dare not. Wearing a dress is inviting shit tests and asking people to see you as weak. "Go ahead, underestimate me."

It's similar to the idea of Freedom Signalling, aka Russian billionaires wearing jeans, and stock traders cursing like sailors, to signal they are outside the normal hierarchy.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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