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[–]Hokuto199x13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
An absolute shit-show for anyone with half a brain, but I got some nice laughs.
[–]1OneRedYear26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Trump was the best character on this show. I hope he doesn't get voted off before the season finale.
[–]1grubek0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The GOP is throwing the election again so Hillary gets elected, but this year they are entertaining at least.
[–]abdada13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
In my opinion, politics is a consumer-mindset activity. Winning team madness. No benefits, only costs.
I lobby politicians, I don't vote for them. Works better for me and those who depend on what I do. Plus it brings me new customers.
[–]1cover201 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well yeah, but some will cost you more than others.
[–]abdada2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not me. I lobby both parties. Both parties provide insight as needed. I don't even know where I would vote. Hell, I have selfie photos on my Facebook with probably ten famous politicians who know me by name, and I'm still a nobody -- but a nobody who buys expensive dinners at fund raisers.
[–]tpfr0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If by "some will cost you more" you mean the stakes are higher with politics, I agree. I could've been more clear. I meant to say that TV/MSM politics are a WWE-style waste of time. I'm all for political knowledge and engagement, just not the whole ballyhoo that leads up to any major US election.
Or did you mean the left will cost you more than the right?
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If you don't mind, what do you do and how has this strategy been effective?
[–]abdada7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm a small business owner in a variety of markets.
Lobbying has landed me access to other entrepreneurs who have hired me based on knowing I understand the game.
Maybe 25% of my success comes solely from inane political fundraiser dinners I pay exorbitant amounts to attend and be seated at the idiot's table.
But even those idiots are politically connected, remember. Two Crack Stubby the Plumber happens to handle city contracts on shit pipes. He hired me and he can barely write or speak long sentences.
[–]1cover209 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I heard (in a serious academic setting) that some serious academic research showed that the best investment for a businessman is to buy a politician. The return is something like 8 times as much as the second best investment.
[–]abdada4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dinners cost me a strong buck but have always returned a lifetime of dividends.
Anyone who ignores their local political dinners is biding their time before they get shoved by the better dinnered competition.
Hell, some dinner fundraisers are only $250. What's the harm in attending one or two and bringing business cards and chatting up everyone? $500? That's a few weeks or months of drinking or video gaming.
[–]tpfr1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Politics have basically turned into another pro sport or WWE-style form of entertainment. At least in the US with the whole right/left false dichotomy. The vast majority of politicians, regardless of party, are available for purchase to the highest bidder.
[–]abdada1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's global. And it isn't that new -- politics is a hobby for the ultrapowerful to distract the masses.
My team won, ignore their crimes. My team lost, so the crimes are the other team's fault. Go team, go.
If it bears a logo, it isn't good for you.
[–]NidStyles2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is what is hard to tell the people that follow it like it's a religion. It's like they don't understand that politicians are merely working for power int he game, and not for votes or the little guy.
[–]Heraclitus940 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all so... compartmentalized
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if hillary's not in it, it's a win.
[–]2012Aceman0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
But if Hillary bowed out I would not be shocked to see Michelle throw her hat in the ring.
[–]1cover200 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I like to think "Michelle", despite "her" football background (people like football players) would lose big.
Race and gender card aren't working so well lately, and that's all she is.
[–]2012Aceman0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But to the Social Justice Warriors that's all that matters. To us it is getting old, but to them it is a career.
[–]BlatantTRPThrowaway5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not gonna go into my politics here. I have other outlets to do that. But I will say one thing: Every last man and woman on those two stages is red pill. Even ole feminine, limpy Lindsey Graham. It is almost impossible to become a United States senator or state governor without being red pill. Carly Fiorina is the definitive Red Pill woman, which she's allowed to be overtly because hey, feminism.
Then you have Trump. Donald Trump is one big fucking exercise in what happens when you have masterful frame, plausible deniability, and amused mastery all rolled into one. He has zero substantive policies available to the American people, and yet he's running top of the polls...all because his potential primary voters want an overtly Red Pill man leading them.
[–]TheDreadPill1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are other subs for this kind of discussion. Politics, while machiavellian, is not sexual strategy.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Came here specifically for TRPs pov though.
[–]1cover206 points7 points8 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I liked Trump. He's the guy who owns politicians. I'd rather have the owner working for me (as President) than his minions.
I like Walker because he actually beat the public employee unions in Wisconsin. Even FDR knew that public employee unions are an abomination. If they're public employees, they are using their union protections to bargain against me! There's no reason that should be allowed.
Most of them were pretty good. And they're not serious felons like Hillary. (That stunt with the email server should earn her at least 20 years at hard labor.)
[–]tpfr0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
...for the most part, all these guys seem pretty lame. Obviously they are politicians giving cookie cutter responses, but who do you think can lead by example the best?...These men don't seem worth their salt.
Sounds like you answered your own question.
Lead by example? How can a puppet lead by example?
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Anyone stick out to you as a good potential though?
[–]tpfr-3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nope. I would like to see a Jesse Ventura/Joe Rogan ticket or something similar though.
[–]H42 2 points2 points2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Trump is the most non-PC politician to share the limelight in more than 50 years.
If there are any Republicans reading, here is info that may interest you.
If a Republican and you do not want a Democrat as President, you don't really have a choice. You must vote for Trump in the primary so he does not change to an independent campaign after the primary. That would split the Republican vote and the Democrat would win.
This is likely the core of Trump's plan.
[–]tpfr0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know man. Granted, I was too young to vote, but Ross Perot was far from PC and that was only 20-25 years ago. Nonetheless, your splitting the party idea is valid. I just think we need a wider variety of parties.
[–]1cover200 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ross Perot was just there so Clinton would win FYI. It was obvious after the fact.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Walker is terrible. Totally Old Hat. Him and Cruz are stuck in a Republican Party of 15 years ago that has already proven to be a failure. Five year prison sentence for any returning immigrant? This is just a misplaced sense of justice that brings no net positive. Either that illegal is never going to come back, whether he has value or not, or he's just going to sneak back in, and yet, some of these Republicans go crazy over such nonsense.
Rand Paul isn't his father. He's a shell, and he's needlessly angry, defensive, aggressive. I can't see him ever being an effective diplomat, even if I agree with a lot of his principles Ron Paul always spoke from his heart, always believed what he said. Rand just isn't the same.
Jeb did well I thought. He kind of just blended in and offended nobody. I'm sure he's hoping to use superior monetary power to organize and grow his 10% slowly, maybe grab an early primary state, and run with it. I kind of expect this to happen honestly.
Christie: I'd have to really agree with him strongly to get over the fact that he's a fat fuck. All I see is fat fuck. Also, he's apparently ridden the 9/11 wave to where he currently is, and is going to try to ride it further. It won't work.
Rubio: I liked Rubio. He was a bit rehearsed, but he seems genuine enough. I think he believes his positive rhetoric, but somehow I get the impression of someone that is impressionable. Someone that is going to end up getting surrounded and led by other people. That's not the most rational position on my part, I understand.
Kasich: If I had to vote for one of them, I'd vote for Kasich. I really liked Kasich. He doesn't seem to want to play the Obama bashing game, which is important to me, he seems legit moderate. His stance on mental health and prisons is excellent. People have criticized him for global warming, but my reading into it makes it sound like he accepts man made global warming, but doesn't want to regulate and destroy jobs without a solid case for such regulations being necessary vs. reactionary. This is also an excellent stance, but I do worry about it being there to please everyone, as opposed to being truly backed by science. That is, I'm not sure Global Warming isn't proven to necessitate regulation to remedy it with our current data. Personally my feelings are that the debate is long over, but I can't speak to the effectiveness of specific regulation. I'm happy that there is a candidate that at least expresses want to examine this issue with this level of detail. I actually am a fan of a lot of Christian morals, though not Christian myself (though I don't reject God or Jesus outright), and it seems Kasich wishes to embody the ones I care about.
Trump did OK to start, but fell apart as it went on. I know Fox was actively trying to tear him down, but that doesn't change the fact that they did an effective job of it.
[–]1cover200 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
How is Walker old hat? Has anyone ever beaten the public employee unions before? No, he's showing a power that nobody before has had!
Oh, and Ron "audit the Fed" Paul was a psyop. For one thing he was in the race to drop out strategically so that loser McCain (if I remember the year right) would get the nomination.
For another, the Fed is audited every year, by Deloitte. Not only the Board of Governors but each of the 12 Reserve Banks. It's on the Fed website, lemme know if you can't find it and I'll put in a link. Fascinating reading, by the way, the audit report commentaries for the 2008 crisis describing the Fed activities in that time. I sent RP the link "just in case" he didn't know this (which would make him incompetent) but he didn't reply, and kept saying the story that made him famous.
And those guys testifying before Congress (and Ron Paul) saying they don't have any gold? That's true. They were from the Board of Governors. All the gold would be in the Reserve Banks, probably most of it in the NY Fed.
It was all a big psyop requiring probably a 120 IQ and a bit of business knowledge to see through. That disqualifies most people, who can't even understand that if a few of Trump's many corporations go BK, it's not the same as Trump himself going BK.
Rand Paul the hope of liberty world wide
I agree. He would actually change things. He would decriminalize marijuana immediately. I wish the right liked him.
He'd also disengage us from foreign bullshit and work on America.
[–]1rporion-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly?
These are the people who think they are qualified to lead the free world?
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