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How High Speed Internet Porn Makes You Less of a Man

September 20, 2014
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Title How High Speed Internet Porn Makes You Less of a Man
Author hohamocha
Upvotes 23
Comments 144
Date September 20, 2014 8:38 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]BrunoOh26 points27 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Other than being able to watch it in glorious 1080p 60 fps, what does the high speed part have to do with anything?

[–]farbenwvnder13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think it's supposed to point out the accessability of porn these days

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I first watched porn on dial-up. Of course, there were no videos, because even one photo would take about 20 seconds to load. I've since given up porn. The article is right. I'm much stronger and more masculine without it. I'll still fap very occasionally, but without porn.

[–]Hyperian7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

so you're telling me comcast is trying to make me manly?

[–]jolly--roger1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they go further and allow you to practice TRP concepts when talking to their hotline. to no avail, of course, but that's a different story..

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would hear it all the same. Hear it very well.

[–]BrunoOh2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likewise I fap without any visual stimuli. To be honest, I find it harder and harder to enjoy porn.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I pretty much gave it up too, starting about 2 years ago and noticed something weird - after I got used to not seeing it any more, it all seems really lame and not hot now. None if it seems good at all now.

I think porn as a habit does some weird stuff to you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

same here gave it up at the start of this year. haven't looked back. feel a lot better about it now.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

being able to access multiple videos having multiple tabs going from girl to girl messes you up and will affect your erection for real sex. A girl in real life won't arouse you anymore.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't even imagine why that would be. A real girl is really wet. A real girl has pheromones. A real girl can really suck my dick. A video can't (yes: I realize Japan will probably find a fucking way, god-damned techno-perverts).

The only thing I find unarousing about a girl in real life is if she's a lying, betraying bitch. As long as she's not doing that I think we're all good.

Besides, some cam girl might do something interesting with a toy & I might just suggest the girl with me to do something like that. Life-balance can be disrupted any number of ways. Visually I see no reason porn would be any more disrupting than spending too many hours watching your favourite TV shows or doing too much overtime at work & not spending it on yourself, keeping your girl's legs spread, etc.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We get a dopamine spike from seeing an attractive face. High speed allows you to see thousands of attractive faces in a short period of time, sending your dopamine level skyrocketing. That and the availability of videos. Ever try to download a video via dial-up?

[–]Entrefut6 points7 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if I really agree with this. The testosterone you lose from jerking off isn't as much as you gain with a good diet and a strong weight lifting program.

Honestly if I didn't jerk off once a day I'd probably start punching holes in shit or hunting elephants with my teeth.

[–]Hatorader1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And wanna fuck everything in sight, this isn't good in a society where we're supposed to be good boys and adhere to all the made up bullshit.

But I do admit that fapping saps energy and ambition likewise, at least that's my experience. And the article is right in that without a significant amount of effort I can't quit.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

"Honestly if I didn't jerk off once a day I'd probably start punching holes in shit or hunting elephants with my teeth"

You just confirmed Nofap works. Imagine if you learned to harness that energy and use it to push yourself in the gym. This also tells me you are not in control of your emotions and have low impulse control. Stop relying on getting your fix. You sound like a junkie dude 'can't go one day without my crack.'

Give nofap a try for one month. If it doesn't work for you in the end, stop doing it. But you should be open minded to the idea.

[–]Entrefut1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have done NoFap, problem is, i'm a barista. I get a huge head high from being at work and a lot of caffeine and women all day long. Sometimes I have been around enough women to where I've had enough and i'd rather jack off. I have been operating at such high energy that by the time I get home and finish up all my homework and work out and work through all my shit, I just want to jerk off to get rid of that energy to fall asleep. I don't know, I think that caffeine probably supplements that energy i'm losing by jerking off, but I really have to drink coffee at work, it's a big community thing that's fun to do.

I barely use it to think about women, fuck half the time i don't even watch porn. I just want to get knocked out before bed and that's the way to do it.

Edit: That and drinking a shit ton of water.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not jerking it is what has worked for me, everyone is different. I'll will say if you jerk off a lot, I dont care who you are, you better be drinking at least a gallon of water a day.

[–]Entrefut1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah 2 liters to a gallon easy. But if you're not doing that, even without jerking of you'll run into problems.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Having heightened aggression at work or school is useless... and most people have to go to work or go to school. The writer of the article was a soldier who didn't have to use his mind, but most of us with legitimate careers do and can't really afford to deal with the blue balls and increased aggression / agitation from lack of sexual satiation.

As far as pushing it in the gym, pre-work and test boosters are sufficient for ensuring that one works hard.

[–]1aguy012 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't really understand what dopamine and testosterone do. These are 2 of the most desirable hormones to have in high amounts naturally. They make everything better.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter, not a hormone. The body is almost never flush with dopamine, unlike a flush of hormones in the body, without direct injection drug use.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's very useful for work and school and did you just really say soldiers don't have to use their minds?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

did you just really say soldiers don't have to use their minds?

Real talk, enlisted men are trained not to think, but to blindly follow orders.

Considering that the majority of men in the military are enlisted men, yes, in general, soldiers don't really use their minds, especially compared to STEM fields.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Can't say the same for special operators, though.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

but most of us with legitimate careers do and can't really afford to deal with the blue balls and increased aggression / agitation f

If nofap increases testosterone like they say, then the increased testosterone would help with your intelligence and ambition, which would help significantly with your career, especially if you are in business.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

then the increased testosterone would help with your intelligence

Sauce? Because a quick google search says the exact opposite (well, some studies show no correlation, others show an inverse correlation).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Studies that show an inverse correlation are just trying to be politically correct. It doesn't make sense evolutionary wise for testosterone to decrease intelligence.

High Testosterone is linked to higher IQ.

Here is a Harvard study http://www.health.harvard.edu/press_releases/testosterone-and-memory

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Mrazik, and a colleague have published a paper in Roeper Review linking giftedness (having an IQ score of 130 or higher) to prenatal exposure of higher levels of testosterone.

Prenatal exposure to testosterone =/= Increased testosterone in bloodstream of adult males.

I think more interesting than anything else from that is, if those researchers can prove a causative link, fucking your pregnant wife can potentially increase the IQ of your child.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

If prenatal exposure to testosterone results in higher intelligence, then it is safe to say that higher amounts of testosterone in blood probably increases intelligence as well.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, it isn't safe to assume that in the slightest. One is a developmental issue, the other is just brain chemistry.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They are both brain related. If exposure to a particular substance were to make your brain more smarter in your prenatal time, than chances are the brain will become smarter once it is exposed to the same substance in later years.

[–]Biddlewick-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, it's not. The difference is that prenatal exposure is happening to a developing system.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most substances which are beneficial to a developing system are beneficial/ at least not harmful to a developed system.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Longest I went nofap was 3 months. Result: sex drive GONE.

Erased. I had to work hard for the next 6 months to turn it back on. I learned to live my life without sexual stimulation & found things to do. It stopped entering my mind entirely. My body simply stopped expecting it. Ever.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's fascinating. So for a MGTOW that might be really worth looking into.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya, no doubt. Having physical & mental activities will keep your blood flowing everywhere else so you won't be stuck with an erection for hours on end from lack of action & then once your body no longer associates orgasm with any part of your life, and your life is actually good in every other way, you'll stop caring.

[–]PrimaxAUS0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A joke confirms that nofap works? Such scientific rigour.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe I'm actually being down voted. Pure insanity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hint: TRP isn't really about self improvement.

[–]PrimaxAUS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're being downvoted because you're being stupid and hyperbolic, and it's diminishing your actual message.

[–]Fzed600-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Studies have proven that black people have the highest testosterone levels. Black peoplealso cause the most crime, have the highest std rate, and the least intelligent compared to any other race group. No fap doesnt work.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay now you're talking about people who were raised in the hood. The hood is basically a combat zone so anyone, regardless of race, raised there is going to have high testosterone. That comment was racist.

Nofap works for me. It works for some, and doesn't for others. That one size fits all approach is idiotic. It's like telling a mesomorph he needs to diet like an ectomorph. People are different.

[–]1Mikesapien14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everything in moderation.

There's tons of evidence to suggest porn has detrimental effects. There's tons of evidence to suggest it hasn't.

Like with sugar, liquor, weed, whatever, the problem is not with the substance itself, the problem is with self-control.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's tons of evidence to suggest it hasn't.

Ignoring the debate at hand - you can't really have evidence for something not having bad effects. It's either "OK we know this caused something to happen" (evidence) or "It looks like nothing bad happened yet, and we checked everything we can think of" (lack of evidence one way or the other)

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen22 points23 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

The next time you watch porn your brain remembers that dopamine high and it seeks even more dopamine, which leads you to seek more and more hardcore clips. This will cause your dopamine receptors to eventually ‘break’, a situation similar to drug addicts.

Beware of the pron-crack!

Instead of having sex with your wife, you’ll watch 5 girls playing with a huge dildo from your computer screen.

Actually I would like them all pissing and shitting at each other simultaniously while two dwarfs with a strap-on do a 69.

Instead of having sex with your wife, you’ll watch 5 girls playing with a huge dildo from your computer screen.

This is by far the most ridiculous conclusion. Japanese are becomeing asexual because they are dressed to become working drones and their women don't have to offer anything of value any more.

So science clearly shows that even though ejaculations won’t always directly lower serum testosterone levels, they do make it harder for our bodies to use that testosterone, by decreasing the activity of androgen receptors.

Yeah. So science clearly shows that men who fuck women multiple times a day will slowly become pussies.

What a bunch of bogus. X-Post to the church of /r/nofap to shower in karma.

I won't bother commenting on all the other bullshit in there. It's just too ridiculous.

I'll just say one thing: I rub one out on a daily basis, for a quarter of a century now, with porn and without. I've never been anywhere near addiction and will never be. I also don't need to watch that five-dildo-show mentioned before to get turned om. That's all complete and utter bro science.

The same people who have a problem with getting addicted to porn will eventually have other addictions. The problems lie somewhere else in themselves, but not in a fucking flick.

If you change the logo and the premise of that post it could also be from some church freaks who try to underline their opinions with some pseudo-science.

Edit: How the fuck is this a "Red Pill Example"?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This guy knows whats up. I've ejaculated at least once a day since I was 15. Whether its with porn, with a woman, with neither or with both. I've never needed anything but my hand to enjoy the stimulation and get off. My porn tastes swing from your typical hardcore, to light bondage to periods where I get much more pleasure jerking off to fully clothed women doing completely mundane things.

Bro science is the perfect word for this concept that your sexuality somehow develops a tolerance to the idea of plain old pussy; this idea that if you masturbate regularly you'll keep having to find more extreme material to arouse you. Its funny how nofappers rattle that one off as rationalization for their agenda but after just a few days of abstaining they're looking for “support” on /r/nofap to overcome the urge to masturbate to a picture of some mild cleavage they ran into by mistake. Almost like your sexuality isn't really that malleable and you just need to give your dick a day off every now and then, huh?

And make no mistake, the entire nofap movement is deeply rooted in bluepill thinking. Just check out their board. Half the glorified "benefits" of abstaining amount to "I respect women soooo much more now. FINALLY, I can look at a woman NOT see her as a sex object!!!" These guys aren't rejuvenating their sexuality, they're suppressing it.

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[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't deny that there are people who are addicted to porn. The same people might also be addicted to videogaming, tv, sugar or whatever.

My point is that it's far from being addicted if you are jacking of on a daily basis and use porn as reference material.

Also: you might be addicted to masturbation if you're literally jerking off every day. How long have you gone without jerking off? Have you ever tried to quit, and failed? Could you willingly go a month without it, easily with no sweat?

LOL. Yes I am literally jerking of daily when I don't get sex in another way. I have never "tried to quit" since I don't consider it to be something I need to change in any way. I am not going to supress my sexuality.

As said I've done this for over 25 years now. There is no increase in frequency or intensity and I will do this until I die. There are days when I "leave out" and there is no monkey on my back then.

What's with you and scratching? Are you maybe addicted to scratching yourself? Have you ever tried to quit, and failed? Could you willingly go a month without it?

[–]confuseacatlmtd5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Uh dude, they found that cumming five times a week or more greatly reduces the risk of prostate cancer. It is LITERALLY lifesaving to masturbate regularly, especially if you are not having sex a lot. I totally believe and agree with the fact that overdoing it can fuck up your hormones. I am down to once a day, and have noticed great improvements. But saying you are addicted to masturbating if you do it once a day is like saying you are addicted to sleeping if you do it once a night. It's a biological function that is unhealthy to inhibit.

[–]RockTurgidson 0 points0 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That's such a weak excuse that masturbation/pornography addicts cling to to justify their inability to control their addiction. Since this is the Red Pill, I'm being real with you and not mincing words.

From the American Cancer Society:

According to the most recent data, when including all stages of prostate cancer:

  • The relative 5-year survival rate is almost 100%
  • The relative 10-year survival rate is 99%
  • The 15-year relative survival rate is 94%

Prostate cancer is a complete and utter non-risk.

And comparing sleep and masturbation? Sleep is a crucial biological function that kills you if you fail to do it for a week or two.

Masturbation has no such similar biological pressure, because your body has the ability to expel built-up sperm through nocturnal emissions. If you have the ability to control yourself and not masturbate, your body will always take care of the excess when it needs to. Another strike against compulsive masturbators.

I just challenge you to go a month without masturbating. Can you do it? If not, you might be addicted, or at the very least psychologically dependent.

[–]confuseacatlmtd1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Wow, you are literally arguing it is worth it to get cancer because that kind of cancer has a high survival rate.

Dude, it's not worth the drugs and chemo.

Then you tell me that I should let myself leak semen onto my bed or boxers every night. Just wow man.

I challenge you to masturbate three to five times a week and not get addicted. That is what is called self control and the ability to exercise restraint.

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[–]confuseacatlmtd0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

All men who smoke don't get lung cancer, but that doesn't mean its healthy. But the point was that lack of masturbation had a LARGE impact on your chances of prostate cancer. If you were not supposed to do it, then THAT would have a bad side affect. But instead, its the lack of it that results in negative results. It is healthy and natural.

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[–]confuseacatlmtd0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

Here is a much larger and more thorough study that refutes the young men's higher risk claim and solidifies the earlier finding.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4861-frequent-ejaculation-may-protect-against-cancer.html#.VB94oStdXQ8

You are grasping at straws to qualify your lifestyle. That is fine, but please do not try to spread your abnormal behaviors to other people as it has potential to damage them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit: How the fuck is this a "Red Pill Example"?

I didn't know where else to put it, and I want to see what fellow redpillers think of it

[–]2comment3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not pseudoscience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

So you can moderate. It clearly then doesn't apply to you. But many others cannot.

I'm not a no-fap adherent (fapping 5-10 minutes in a shower is fine, at least you're getting clean) and not particularly pornfree.

But there are a lot of young men that do get addicted to it. In the end, as with every other vice, it either controls you or you control it.

[–]in_da_tr33z14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There are some good points here. I really think that limiting masturbation should be a tenet of TRP. If you can't control your sexual desires, women will always have power over you. Any time you meet an attractive woman you will be a slave to your desire for her. Denying yourself the easy release is not only an exercise in discipline, it makes you more motivated to find new sexual partners and frees you from the mind control that attractive women use against you all the time.

[–]DoctorWelch 9 points9 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This is the best reply here. It's not about the porn or the masturbation or any of those things in and of themselves. It's about self control and self improvement...just like the whole sub.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I agree. I've taken the nofap challenge and I always notice my energy levels going up in just a few days. It's a good feeling.

[–]soulmatter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stoicism is a huge aspect of abstaining from self-pleasure. Self-control is extremely attractive and a lot of proponents of fapping forget it.

[–]gokurakumaru1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so the people who rub one out and therefore aren't constantly on the prowl for new sexual partners are the ones who are letting women have power over them? Dude, that makes no sense. If your only sexual outlet is chasing women you've lost all the power already.

[–]in_da_tr33z0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's the longest you've gone without jerking off in the last year? Since you learned how? Ask yourself if you have control over it or vice versa. If you can't control yourself how can you expect to control your life and your environment? Escaping to that false release makes you feel like you're getting what you want without actually getting it. It kills your desire to seek what you want and worst of all women can sense it. I can't tell you how much different I act and feel since getting control over it.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't control your sex drive by refusing masturbation. What you can do is get very frustrated & unable to concentrate from having that sex drive. The only way I've ever seen to do this is with drugs. Opiate drugs. Opiate addiction.

It's the one thing I've seen that permits sex drive to be high but forcing down the drive in a given situation to be possible. Well, no wonder: it affects so many things about metabolism, pain response, blood pressure & how happy you are in general about being alive in that state.

If anything I'd expect nofappers to have less control because their urges aren't met which means women will have more control and since it's at the subsconscious, neural & hormonal level there is zero possibility of learning to control this behaviour in the same way there's zero power to make yourself taller, darker skinned, different colour eyes, by sheer will-power. You don't control your body in that manner. No one ever has or ever will.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no choice but to become a man when you are living in dial up hell.

[–]Carvr9313 points14 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

Someone want to explain how fucking women many, many times a week, is any different than jacking off a few times a week?

You get off ether way. The same thing happens in your brain, same chemicals are released.

Seems like "broscience" of the highest order. Next your going to be saying I should stop having sex totally.

[–]Meatclap4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't have a good way to answer this one without sounding completely subjective. I am one of those guys with a few very loyal FWB, and getting a hook up was never really that hard for me for a lot of my life.

I can say that the orgasm I had with a woman was always more intense, more relieving than if I went solo. The physical pleasure is different too.

This may sound backward a bit, but emotionally I felt it take a toll on me for a long time. Too many women I've had were mostly indifferent, like puppets on strings doing imitations of intimacy. Spending two decades of my life simply fucking friends and strangers ground me down and eroded my self-esteem, but at that time I was an idealizing blue-pill nitwit with really low self-esteem already. Half the time I couldn't believe anyone wanted me, even when women were falling over themselves for me, calling me hot. I hadn't a dime, no car, unemployed, self-hating. Sex was my connection, it gave me things masturbation never could.

Taking a woman is more than just getting off, at least for me, whereas masturbation was like a bowel movement; just a function to get out of the way. Maybe it's about what you choose to take from each kind of experience?

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without measuring testosterone levels the question is not answered even subjectively - it's avoided.

And that's that.

The only difference I ever found is that I enjoy the smell & taste of a woman while cumming in her & hitting her cervix to get me off. That's it. It's nice but whatever.

[–]teeelo3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, someone...anyone... Have an answer for this?

Perhaps it is the same effect- but after a few rounds of sex at any time, you lose interest for a few days or weeks, and it would build up again.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel completely different after sex then I do after jacking off to porn.

[–]Olipyr1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel the same pleasure, but I don't have anyone to swallow my load when I nut.

I think that's the difference.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sex without a condom feels 1000x better than masturbation

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

what? No. I'd have sex 3x a day for months on end every single day.

[–]teeelo0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Be serious here, even if you had the urge you wouldnt be able to make cum that fast to support your...habit.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

2-3x a day? It's not a problem at all. My peak performance was 5x in one day and that was exhausting. Keep hydrated. I always, always have a full bottle of water at the side of the bed when entering a sex marathon.

[–]Lunargodmode 6 points6 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I feel like the issue is more with the porn browsing process. If you click random and always finish to the first video, sure its just like fucking a girl. But if you spend hours looking for the right girl with the right scene to finish to, the constantly looking at new women will fuck with your dopamine levels and probably warp your expectations for sex. Overtime you'll probably need crazier porn to get off.

[–]newzealander1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So the negative impact is watching crazier porn? That's hardly something to worry about.

[–]Lunargodmode 3 points3 points [recovered] | Copy Link

The negative impact is that it takes more mental stimulation to get you off.

[–]newzealander1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you see that as something to worry about?

[–]Lunargodmode 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I've had PE problems in the past so yes. It all depends on the individual.

[–]lightfire4091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is a mirror constrain, and its called sex addiction, the hunky, sexy, bodybuilder brother of porn addiction. Because technically, you get the same dopamine release. However, one could argue the ability to get sex on demand with multiple women will benefit your mental health far more than jacking it daily

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The same thing happens in your brain, same chemicals are released

This statement is about as "broscience" as you can get. You're assuming so much. That's like saying, "Isn't sex the same thing as doing cocaine? Same release of dopamine bro. What's the difference?"

Having sex is waaaaaay different from masturbation with porn. This is easy to test. If it feels different and affects your mood differently (do you feel like a champ after you rub one out?) then there's different stuff going on in your brain.

[–]1oldredder-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

HOW is it different? WHEN did you measure this, using what equipment & where are you, or the studies published?

NOWHERE. That's where.

Your false analogy to cocaine vs sex is rejected.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

HOW is it the same? WHEN did you measure this, using what equipment & where are you, or the studies published?

Your false rejection is rejected.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

EVERY study ever produced measuring development of the human body before puberty, during puberty & after, responses to hormones, shows me 100% correct.

Literally you're now being opposite for the sake of it because you know you're beat.

My false rejection stands as truth. Your false response remains rejected as before.

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No studies show that. The moderate exercise associated with sex by itself would be enough to cause a difference, ignoring all of the hormonal responses that happen when you interact with people in close proximity.

That's why you couldn't even source one study, especially not a study that actually measures any of this stuff.

I bet you think you get the same hormone response from eating dinner as watching the food channel too.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You source a real study and I will.

Literally every medical book every written on the topic is clear about hormone response at different stages of development from fetus to late life.

Not one study or claim of any sort ever in history matches what you are claiming. Not one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah? Every book and magazine ever written and all oral traditions even unrecorded ones clearly support my viewpoint. Also all books in the future say that too and specifically mention that you are wrong. Also I have a team of scientists here who are snickering at you.

What horemone are you even talking about by the way? Name one and the actual levels released for sex vs porn. In measurable amounts please. You are clearly well read on EVERY STUDY EVER IN EXISTENCE.

[–]1aguy011 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Someone want to explain how fucking women many, many times a week, is any different than jacking off a few times a week?

Because of the novelty effect of porn on dopamine. Every new woman causes a spike in dopamine that you don't get from fucking one girl. That is why porn makes you feel mentally foggy and real pussy doesn't. On top of that, cumming with a girl releases oxytocin, which elevates your mood.

Ejaculation is another issue in and of itself. If you were focused on being the best version of yourself you would only cum once every 15-30 days, preferably from sex. The benefits of this aren't nearly as dramatic as those that come with abstaining from porn.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no explanation at all that women, vagina, will not have the same novelty effect or lack of it on dopamine. Porn never made me feel mentally foggy, nor sex. Ever. As for oxytocin, the primary benefit here is her release of oxytocin changing how she acts to that man. For a man the chemical released normally is prolactin

[–]1aguy010 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless you are fucking multiple new girls every day you aren't getting the same spikes in dopamine that you get from porn. As for never feeling mentally foggy.. have you actually given up porn for a duration to observe the effects? When you are jacking it multiple times a week the affect just becomes your baseline. There are thousands of men saying it has a dramatic effect on their mental state. Also, men release oxytocin.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh, you need to find new porn no matter what every single time?

I don't. I find a good selection, hot girls, doing certain things. I like cam girls alone or perhaps 2 girls together. Just find a huge collection of 2-3 min clips, download them all & save them. They are "all the same to me" in effect. They matter for nothing.

Ya: I gave up all porn, all orgasms, for 90 days. I had other things to do. It was not good. My sex drive was turning off for good. It took a concerted effort of pussy & jerkin' it to turn it back on. If I had stuck with this I would have zero sex drive for the rest of my life. Period. Hottest girl could rub her snatch in my face while her equally hot twin could try to get me hard & nothing. The body forgot there was a purpose in having a sex drive. It was gone.

[–]BlackGuyThatSaysDamn0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fucking girls and jacking off to highly stimulating endless Internet porn are completely different. Essentially, your brain rewards you when you do things that are beneficial for your survival, such as eating food and having sex. It releases dopamine when you do either of these activities and this why both of these feel really good, your brain is basically telling you "Good job, keep doing what your doing". However, high speed Internet porn is all reward and no risk or effort, not to mention it's extremely habit forming in addition to latching onto your most primal urge, to procreate, while having an endless supply of infinite stimulation. I don't necessarily agree with everything in the article, but if you think THIS is broscience, feel free to research it. Or don't, it's up to you.

[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So really, the best argument is nothing about addiction, nothing about being bad for your health, but really how your character will develop from re-training your brain & body to be risk averse.

Was that so hard to say? Benefits of male life come from risk takers and seeking sex has risk.

See? We don't need broscience pseudoclaptrap to flat out state something easily proven & actually fairly obvious.

Same with always finding a way to get people to do things for you, even if you earn money & pay for it in full, rather than learning yourself how to fix your car, rebuild part of your house, fix a computer, etc. You may choose the easy path & less risk and are less of a man for being risk-averse - but maybe your life remains comfortable & this works for you.

Choices, consequences, life-experiences.

We don't need to push non-medical nonsense in the process of just stating what actually happens. I can more than easily believe that satisfying porn clearly encourages risk-aversion. Many MGTOW men have outright stated that's their number 1 reason to seek porn because they hate the risks of women & are done with them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Jerking off without porn is probably neutral and won't impact your life too positively or negatively,

Fapping to porn is what will fuck with your head. It's like eating McDonalds. Great at the time, then you'll instantly feel like a piece of shit afterwards.

A lot of guys still haven't figured out that consistently jerking off to porn will destroy you.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Prove it: I don't believe it whatsoever due to total lack of evidence.

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is nonsense. I think this anti-pron stuff is a reaction of people who want men to be more sexually dependent on women, especially unattractive ones. Because the truth is, men just want to bust a nut, and when they can do that with pron, they don't need women too much anymore. If they don't need women, women don't have power over them. And that is why the evil pron must be eliminated!

Pron addiction is nonsense because if you gave most men who jerk to it the option of pron or real hot sex without too many problems with an attractive non-bitchy woman, most would take the latter. But if it is a choice between dealing with a lot of b.s. for boring sex with an unattractive woman, they'll just go for the pron. And when they go for the pron, the unattractive women can't control them anymore cause they're busting nuts without needing the women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Inject test; problem solved.

[–]ModAerobus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I get what ideas you meant to get across OP, but honestly, I'd rather jack off than deal with women today. Plus, I'm a University student, so I'd rather jack off than risk false rape allegations.

[–]1aguy01-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you actually fooling yourself?

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you: what's the risk a download of cam girls squirting alone on camera will lead to a false rape accusation?

[–]mainst8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

addicted to porn? That's like sex addiction. It doesn't exist. Sure some guys watch porn all the time but that's because they don't have an option B (aka a real woman).

[–]kanaduhisfruityeh19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or their option B, a real woman, isn't very attractive or is too much trouble, and jerking to pron is more relaxing than putting up with her in order to get bad sex.

[–]Ob1Kn00b4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing how many things that allow men to choose to stop being desperate for women somehow make us less of a man.

[–]AmazingFlightLizard2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno, about 20 minutes ago, I watched some, and was definitely able to confirm I'm still a man.

[–]mega_beta1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My testosterone is like wildfire. If I don't get off at least once a week, I get way too horny. I can't stand that feeling.

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I don't think there's enough scientific research on the subject to conclude anything about watching porn regarding testosterone production and manliness. I will add though that there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that supports a positive change resulting from discontuing porn, myself included. Honestly, instead of attacking the author for his baseless conclusions (they are) why don't you naysayers give it a shot? You have nothing to lose right? It's just porn...

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[–]1oldredder-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not. Put 2 twins in front of me, 8+ hotness.

Twin A is a self-entitled bitch.

Twin B is appreciative of men, happy with flirting.

I'll have an erection for porn or the non-entitled non-bitch despite an identical woman being an entitled bitch, even in the same outfit, even if revealing, even if they're both naked.

That's the problem. Apparently it's a turn-off for a woman to be a self-entitled bitch. I know, mind-bender.

[–]Hydris1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many women are threatened by porn, its that simple. Its the same about women who have sex regularly and with more than one guy. Slut shaming. When men don't have to work as hard to get it, it then lowers their own worth. "If he can fuck her tonight, why would he wait a month to fuck me" type of thinking. "If he can fuck multiple girls, why would he want to settle down with me and support me." The VAST majority of slut shaming comes from other women, but they would like you to think its guys.

[–]anothercarguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta say, this article post is crap. Pure nonesense and loaded with circular arguments, devoid of science. Fap away my friends, your once blue balls will thank you and your clear head will thank you.

[–]1gerwig0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

People need to stop with the "less of a man" bullshit.

[–]pl231 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

what I don't get about some of the studies:

A lot of them just talked about ejaculation, nothing to do with porn. So if you were actually using those studies to argue, wouldn't you say a man shouldn't have sex at all? I wouldn't say there's too much beta or blue pill(actually there'd probably be none) about a dude that is getting down multiple times a day. Yet since these studies have nothing to do with porn, it would of course also recommend against sex at all in those arguments. b) 3 of them are on rats. 1 is on monkeys, and the 4th one isn't even cited, so I'm going to assume 0 are on humans .

[–]Olipyr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Playing a little five on one helps keep my sexual appetite at bay. If I didn't do it at least every other day, I'd be chasing all kinds of easy pussy. Keyword being easy. That means fat chicks, low-caliber, and low class chicks.

I literally be sticking my dick into anything wet with two legs.

I somewhat agree about not using porn but as long as it's not taking over your life, it shouldn't be a problem. Now, if you're like I was at one point and watching hours a day and neglecting real life, THEN you have a problem.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something doesn't add up about this testosterone business.

If having so many ejaculations in a day caused so many problems then how is it I got away with 2-3x sex a day with various past girlfriends, for months on end? Seems like the effect would be the same so if 'nofap' is so good for your testosterone, so is 'nosex' which... seems not to be an ideal goal.

Also in study A it's sensitivity to estrogen, not reduction of testosterone, which is reported.

Study B draws no conclusion whatsoever that testosterone is reduced by stimulating opioid receptors. I say the conclusion itself is faulty without solid evidence (which that study & the article itself doesn't provide). I have in fact seen many instances of opioids definitely having no reduction in sexual desire or performance & I've lived it myself for many, many years.

Most important from study C listed is "Seventy-two hours after sexual satiety there was a recovery of sexual activity accompanied by an increase in ARd to control levels in the MPOM and an overexpression of ARd in the LSV, BST, VMH and MeA. Serum testosterone levels were unmodified during the post-satiety period". That's telling me there's **no danger of testosterone dropping at all. In other words, claims are bunk that it will go down.

Claim D: just increase your zinc & selenium intake. If you don't have enough for ejaculation this would affect sex just as much & the goal here is to have plentiful sex.

I'm going to dismiss & downvote based on no claims backed by actual claims of actual science. It's bridging gaps with bridges that don't exist and if masturbation does so much damage then sex itself will by the exact same means.

Which is nonsense.

[–]wheyapartment0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I quit porn several months back and my quality of life has improved significantly.

Whoever spread the lies that "everyone masturbates" and that "fapping is good for you" should be set on fire. Can't believe I bought into those lies: now I realize that they were just justifications for hedonism.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you think TRP/plate-spinning is?!

It's hedonism & we're proud of it.

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It takes a special level of retard to assume that I think this article is amazing.

I wanted to see what TRPers would see about this article. I wanted to see both sides beign argued so I could come to a conclusion myself.

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It has a lot of studies listed in its arguments.

Also, I would rather listen to the opinions of others before following a conclusion.

[–]Schaawing0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Alright, I'll bite. I won't jerk off for at least a month starting today. The longest I've gone without masturbating is a week and that's because I was at camp.

I'm 21 years old with very little definition and a pathetic amount of body and facial hair. I have no self-control and am running my life to the ground because I'm too unmotivated to go to class or social events. My libido went AWOL when I got dumped at the end of high school.

Those testimonials are quite convincing. I'd like one of my own.

[–]BlackGuyThatSaysDamn1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Definitely be sure to give it a thorugh try. 1 month at least, no fap, no porn.

[–]Schaawing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There were quite a few testimonials from guys who have only gone for 2-3 weeks. I'm just hoping a month of build up will show any sort of change, it feels like my body stopped progressing at 16. Probably because I look 16. I want a beard goddammit.

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I'll give it a try,starting now.

[–]ExistD-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I probably have no right to post here since I haven't implemented any of TheRedPill tactics but just thought I'd give my 2cents.

Lack of porn is moving me forward in life, if only slowly. I used to be extremely depressed most days, feeling suicidal and wondering what the fuck I'm doing on this planet. Literally had no motivation to accomplish anything. After NoPMO (Porn, Masturbation, Orgasm), I have begun feeling less depressed, still suicidal but I'm getting better. Actually having some motivation to move forward. I've started taking up cold showers and have started working out (never made a habit of it before).

Leave 5 minutes just to read up on the success stories on www.yourbrainonporn.com ;Just click the "Click for Advice" link on the left hand side under bob's recovery tips.

It IS an addiction, you are rewiring the reward circuitry in your brain by masturbating to porn; it is ridiculous. Just like a dog is rewarded for good behavior, we are rewarding ourselves for wasting time. I have wasted 228 whole days on porn and am glad to say that today I've made it to 70 days without porn. Hope some of you read this and begin to consider NoPorn. Good luck!

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

When I hit 90 days I couldn't remember what sex felt like anymore. My body forgot it, I had no desire for it and if I hadn't taken forceful actions in seeking sex & masturbation to turn it back on, I probably would have gone the rest of my life with no sex drive, not even a memory of sex drive.

That's a mistake. I will not do that again.

[–]ExistD0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's nothing wrong with masturbation, it's masturbating to porn that is the problem.

Sometimes you don't get any results after 90 days whereas some others do, I've heard stories of people that haven't seen changes until 1 year later. Also, it can take longer to see changes if you've grown up with high speed internet.

[–]1oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got results. I got my sex drive nearly erased. That's not a good result. I still neglected the emotion of love. I can turn off & on any number of emotions but I am really not certain I can ever turn love back on. Maybe there's other reasons for it but it's been at least 12 years since I've felt even anything like it so I can't remember what it feels like and it doesn't happen anymore.

As for porn I look at it as 2 things: 1) new sex toy ideas or positions, etc., that could be fun & 2) hot girls who aren't Vivid girls, just amateurs on cam, who are real girls, just in her bedroom, but cute. Some remind me of a girl I've been with, some get me inspired for the next body type of a girl to go for. Doesn't matter.

I'm not seeing the problem here.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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