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How to online date

August 29, 2018
130 upvotes

Here are the strategies that have allowed me (30 years old, 5'9", 280 lbs man) to finally get a small rotation going using online dating.

Because of my weight, Tinder is a no-go. If you are a man who looks hot in his pictures, go for it. For me, Tinder would just be a validation machine for females and I would get nothing.

My strategy is to lure in women who might be looking for a relationship and then win them over with my tight texting game, strong frame, and good sex.

  1. Pictures. This is the number one thing. This is the bait (same for women- we choose them based on their pictures too). In my profile, I never say "I like adventures" or "climbing mountains" "beach bonfires" ... as a student of TRP, I know to always demonstrate, never explicate ... so I have pictures of me doing cool shit with cool people at cool places. I of course use pictures that are as flattering as possible. My photos demonstrate that I am financially stable (broke guys don't party in Ibiza), high-status (low status guys are not picked to be groomsmen), preselected (creeps dont have beautiful women laughing and hanging on to them), and masculine (yea that is me chopping wood with my arm veins bulging).

  2. Texting. Once you match with a chick, texting game becomes the most important. The key with texting is to keep it short, text her less frequently than she texts you, and be decisive but not thirsty. Also never under any circumstances do I use smiley face or emojis. I start by asking a question about something specific in her profile or pictures. Then, however long she takes to respond, I wait 1.5X - 2X as long to text back. Chicks online are accustomed to guys being very thirsty and jumping on them the moment they show interest. If you can resist the urge and hold back and wait, it builds up tension (does he even like me??) and makes you seem high value. But it is important to calibrate. Pace yourself 1 step behind her, sometimes 2 steps to throw her off. Be inconsistent. What I've noticed is that after only a few days, if your questions/ answers were good and you paced yourself slightly behind her, she becomes actually interested. You can tell the moment it happens because she will send a really long message or a couple messages in a row. Respond to it quickly (to show her that you are willing to invest if she is) and then if she messages right back say "Hey XYZ let's continue this conversation in person over drinks. What's your number?" and then just go from there.

After that it is just standard TRP. The most common pitfalls are texting too frequently, sending messages that are too long (always keep it shorter than hers), seeking validation, and not getting off the app once she has shown interest. You need to make a move, invite her for drinks, and get her number. Resist the urge to take this shot until she demonstrates her strong interest by how she is texting you (she will start to validate herself to you which is a dead giveaway). But once she does, strike when the iron is hot and demonstrate your decisiveness.

Now I am sure there are guys here who can do this 100X better, faster, and more efficiently than me. As a big fat guy however, I have found these strategies to be effective for me.

But Chaz, won't she see you as a beta provider?

Yea, so what? It's called bait. By the second date (sometimes 3rd) she will give up her pussy trying to lock down your commitment. Is she gonna get it? Fuck no. Just a dose of dick and an uber ride home.

Remember: she is still a woman. She gets horny and she has needs, even when she is looking for a beta provider. Even the most buttoned down, prudish looking girl is a slut waiting to be let off the leash. She wants to be opened up sexually and dicked down by a strong, masculine man.

Oblige her.

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Title How to online date
Author chazthundergut
Upvotes 130
Comments 106
Date August 29, 2018 5:19 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/TheRedPill
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[–]drty_pr82 points83 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Solid advice for the gravity challenged contributors.

[–]ReturningSpider43 points44 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean exceptionally gravitationally gifted

[–]TheTrenTrannyTrain14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Draw the sloots in with his gravitational pull.

[–]IncomeByEtnicity39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OP's name is Chaz THUNDER GUT.

[–]Gr0o0vy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

spilled my lean body shake over this

[–]OfficerWade3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“As a white man, demographic matters!!”

[–]BillyBones80 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

> 5'9"

> gravity challenged

Fuck off dude

[–]reluctantly_red65 points66 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Dude -- use some of your resources to lose weight. Being fat is a major issue for most women. I know I used to weigh over 300 pounds. If you're doing this well at 280 just imagine how well you'd be doing at 180.

[–]Andgelyo61 points62 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. I'm around OP's height (5'9) and currently 188lbs. THE MOST IOIs i've gotten was when i was 180lbs flat wearing a maroon v neck shirt and sweat pants with basketball shoes with my sidepart hairstyle. OP lose the fucking weight so you don't have to do this manipulating shit just to get sex. Improve your health, fat nigga. Because when your future wife/ltr will complain of you huffing and puffing, me or Chad will be lasting all night with her.

[–]Ifuckdurwifen1gga49 points50 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely upvoted for "improve your health fat nigga"

[–]DesperateTomato13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You must be a big fat good looking dude! :D

I'm still on the "good pics" part, since I'm a solid 3/10.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I do work out every morning, so I am fat but pretty thick. Solid. Tight.

I am balding so I shaved my head down to zero and grew out a big bushy beard.

[–]excelwithexcel11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome pics. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation. 

[–]IncomeByEtnicity1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

5'7" 350 lbs, bald full bearded THUNDER GUT. Could Red Pill ever ask for a better spokesperson?

[–]party_next_door0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep me updated on your progress

[–]IncomeByEtnicity3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't sell yourself short. If Chaz THUNDER GUT can do it....

[–]Razkolol14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

He's right on the "make them feel like they might get commitment part" it's exactly the same game that women play to keep betas around "make them feel like they might get sex one day". Getting shredded helps a ton on online game, go full keto 10% carbs + intermittent fasting for a few months if you already have decent gains your whole upper body will look like a veiny dick.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is an angle I don't see covered much in TRP, which I will probably make a post on in the future.

TRP always recommends don't show provider signs because then she will treat you like beta bucks

But how do women treat beta bucks? They date them, hook up with them (expecting them to be sexual novices who fall head over heels for the first chick willing to lick his balls), and then trap them into commitment and eventually marriage.

But what if you don't commit? What if you fuck them like you would any slut, and keep stringing them along as they keep giving up their pussy trying to lock down your commitment?

I've found this to be a very effective game for a guy who isn't physically attractive but has an attractive lifestyle. Yes, they will treat you like a Beta Bucks. Do you let the chick dictate your role? No. You dick her down like the man you are and call that chick an uber. Next.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm this works. And lifting works even better.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Straight up... when you're on keto and muscular as fuck it should be illegal to take your shirt off in public.. its literally a Weapon of Ass Destruction.. the shit president Bush was looking for back when the towelheads flew a plane into the wtc. Bruh when you have a really good looking upper body it is a second penis. Its much more sexual than anyone elses body nearby and attracts instant attention. Its legit a 2nd cock.

[–]KarmicPrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LPT: Lift daily to erect the second cock.

[–]GuruDev100025 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you look at /u/ChazThunderGut's history, 2 years back he was obese and had to lose his virginity to whores. Considering now he's muscular and fat and has a small rotation of plates, I think he's awesome for the kind of content he provides.

OP, I think you should talk more about the role meditation has played for you. You made a small comment about it on /u/Heathcliff--'s Meditations post. Obviously, it's your frame and calm planning that's playing a huge role in your sexual success and negating your physical drawbacks.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. I'm not even fat and I still found this advice useful

[–]gorebwn4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a perfect example of the idea that you only need 2/3 to smash pussy - Social Status, Success. Sex Appeal. You're covered homie. Good write up.

[–]clausternn28 points29 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Or instead of jumping through all these hoops you could just lose weight.

[–]KnightestKnightPeter9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Or you can do both :) This advice is something that applies to uglies and normals too.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that shit and it's a shame this got upvoted.

Fat acceptance subreddits are the place for that.

Being in shape and fit is a core TRP tentpole. Being fat has no place in TRP.

[–]KnightestKnightPeter17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Because you have to be jacked and rich before you start slaying pussy, right?

Cut the dogma. If a noob is a lardass, he should be applying TRP immediately, which means while he's still losing weight. Which then means, he should own being a fat fuck while he's still a fat fuck, get laid, and progressively lose fat and go for his goals while he's doing so.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct. This wasn't a post about weight loss. It was a post about the strategies I use to get pussy. Which I thought was the whole point of TRP.

Yea I'm actively losing weight and won't stop till I reach my goal. But even if I wasn't, it doesn't matter. This is sexual strategy not The View

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fair enough but that doesn't mean make this post. All it's going to do is encourage fatties around here to stay fat.

[–]IncomeByEtnicity 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that shit and it's a shame this got upvoted.

Full agreement. I guess you and I have either grossly under-estimated the amount of Fatties on here or this dude has like 15 accounts and he is voting up his own posts. Not like 280lb 5'9 Slob would have anything better to do.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You sound salty too. Was your chick also fucked by a big fat guy?

[–]IncomeByEtnicity 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean if a Wardrobe ever fell on her, with the key still sticking out?

No.

[–]VoxVirilis15 points16 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Oh, what a quality contribution. /s

That fact that OP is here makes it a good bet that he's working on losing weight. So while he's on his weight loss journey he should do what?

Not hone his game?

Not practice pick-up?

Not experiment and find successful strategies?

Not share those successes with the community?

[–]GuruDev10005 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

If you look at his history, 2 years back he was obese and lost his virginity to whores. Considering now he's muscularly fat and has a small rotation of plates, I think he's worthy of listening to.

[–]oytrp0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

He's still obese.

So unless he was 500lbs, 2 years is enough time to get in great shape even at 280. Maybe he's spending too much time gaming HB5s and not enough time in the gym.

[–]RedPill1150 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That is the dumbest shit I've ever read on trp. "What are you doing getting laid when you could be in the gym bro?".

[–]oytrp-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you don't care about who you fuck then just go gay, you can get laid on the subway.

If you want to bang someone that weighs less than you and doesn't have facial hair, maybe wait and work on yourself until you're ready to play.

[–]KarmicPrism 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude you're a fucking idiot 😂 that was funny but it's shit advice. It's much better to practice game while simultaneously working on yourself. Then, when your abs come in, you'll be at a great advantage TRP wise.

[–]oytrp0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Picking fatties up off the floor isn't practicing game.

Want to hit in the big leagues? Practice hitting 95 mph fastballs, Not soft toss.

[–]KarmicPrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now you're talking. I get your concept and it's rock solid. I get you now. However, your delivery can use some work, but that's neither here nor there. 😂

[–]superyute8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly.

this comment section reeks of pre-pubescent nonsense.

instead of absorbing and filtering the material for what it is, OP is being chastised for his...weight? what

[–]oytrp1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What's a better use of his time?

Fucking HB5s? or working on himself?

He's spending days texting these girls and then going on a minimum of 3 dates before he even whiffs pussy. That's a lot of hours in the gym/on the treadmill.

[–]KarmicPrism-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You dont even know what his gym schedule is my bro. You're grasping at air here and making a fool of yourself in front of everyone here assuming shit. He can fuck whoever, the nigga's happy af with a fat stomach and a fat dick apparently. Don't you got some gym to be at instead of wasting your valuable time rubbing your pussy all over the place?

[–]oytrp0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You dont even know what his gym schedule is my bro

I know he's still a fat piece of shit after working out for over a year. So I know it's not good enough. This body shaming got you riled up I see.

[–]KarmicPrism-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's the lack of common sense In your statement- one that you have repeatedly posted. He should get in the gym that's for sure. But that has nothing to do with him posting a field report here claiming success after TRP, when he previously didn't have any. In your eyes, Is TRP a "no recovering fat guys allowed" concept? He mentioned he's going to the gym after reading TRP. He began working in the field, hes seeing success with the 'program', and Continuing to further better himself, on and off the field. Why is your pussy so dry about that?

[–]oytrp1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I explained my reasoning pretty clearly.

He's putting in a lot of effort for little return. Hours swiping right, Hours messaging, and Hours going on at least 3 dates before getting laid...

And his prize? Some HB5 you wouldn't fuck if they paid you.

He's been working out for a year and has made little to no progress. Tell me, where would he be if he went monk mode and really lifted and dieted? He would be banging HB7s with ease months ago.

Fucking all the 4s and 5s in the world isn't going to help him fuck 8s and 9s.

[–]KarmicPrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What your writing make sense assuming he's been neglecting his lifts. I can't really argue with that logic.

[–]IncomeByEtnicity 1 points [recovered]  (27 children) | Copy Link

broke guys don't party in Ibiza

low status guys are not picked to be groomsmen

creeps don't have beautiful women laughing and hanging on to them

that is me chopping wood with my arm veins bulging

Every one of those things is a Red Flag for women. It all Screams extremely insecure Douche-Bag Then I read this line.

As a big fat guy I have found these strategies to be effective

Okay, now it makes sense. Whatever works for you fatty.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 17 points18 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

  1. Yes. Everything I listed is a giant red flag to women. I openly flaunt the fact that I have resources and a very cool social life.

  2. Your mistake is that you still take women at their word and not their actions. You know what else is a giant red flag to women? Shirtless gym selfies from muscular jocks. It is a huge red flag. Guess who they match with?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I entirely disagree about the shirtless pics.

I used Tinder for a year. Did pretty well with it. I lift hard. You could tell in my pics that I was fit.

A couple of my buddies wanted to see what would happen if I added a shirtless mirror selfie. They begged me to put one up for probably 2 months.

Immediately my matches increased probably 4x or 5x and the girls were all 2 to 3 points higher.

I never took the mirror selfie down.

Best part: 50% of the girls I match with say 'if you have a shirtless mirror selfie, swipe left!!'

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually you proved my point exactly.

Go ask a chick if she matches with gym bros who post shirtless mirror selfies. They will all say it's a "red flag" and they won't match with him. Just like the "red flags" in my photos that flaunt my money and status.

So yea, I agree with you and that is my point. Never listen to what they say. Listen to what they do

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ohhhh duh I understand..

What I said does support your point

[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You know what else is a giant red flag to women? Shirtless gym selfies from muscular jocks. It is a huge red flag. Guess who they match with?

Why? Bragging? I thought IDGAF about other peoples opinions is a good way to go.

Who do they match with?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who knows why? I didnt make bitches act like this.

Judge women according to their actions and not their words.

[–]randomTATRP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

??????

I've never seen guys who took mirror selfies not get pussy, what the actual fuck?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea that's my point.

And I've never seen a chick who didnt claim that shirtless mirror selfies were a red flag.

[–]inevitableworkout0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The more you argue with this troll trying to get his approval the less credible you look for being this alpha male you're saying you are

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t think you understand women. Douche.. fuckboy.. arrogant = ALPHA

[–]new_alpha-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is a population for everything and it depends on how you manage the character after she likes you. Of course women that do consider these things red flags wouldn’t even swipe right. So tinder is the pre-selection

And as Rollo would say, everyone has some kind of game

[–]IncomeByEtnicity 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

You again with the Rollo Cock Sucking. How many accounts do you use to post on here?

[–]modTheRedPike1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be a dick.

[–]DesperateTomato10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

"Broke guys don't party in Ibiza"

Yes they do. Most people there (mainly Germans and British) are low income...

[–]askmrcia0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol same with Vegas. But I think op means if you're not from Europe then going over to Ibiza to party means you have some nice cash.

Just do what my buddy do. Buy a green screen and crop yourself in extravagant places. Works for him

[–]smileceo8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Chaz - you have shared some valid content and I am sure that you have consolidated some valuable strategies considering your actual weight limitations.

Now imagine what you can do if you can sum up to those skills being fit :-) that you be rock solid game.

I had a period on my life where my audition was reduced to 80% for about 6 months. I developed excepcional observation skills during that period. When I got my audition got back, my observation skills stayed :)

Ps: I have been able to loose 70kg (154 pounds) in 36 months - without surgery. Dm if you need some hints or motivation boost.

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks dude. I agree with you- I'm in the process of losing weight. This post was just about the type of strategies that might help a fat TRPer get laid from dating apps.

Good luck boys!

[–]superyute2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

excellent writing in your post man. was a pleasant read

do you do copywriting or something similar by chance?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't go into details but creative writing is part of how I make my living. Thanks for the compliment though I appreciate it!

[–]meateatercat 1 points [recovered]  (10 children) | Copy Link

Good sex and strong frame at 280 pounds? Luring them in?

I don't even come here that often but look at the sidebar, your health should be your number 1 priority...

[–]Sendmebobs8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Safety is number 1 priority.

[–]IncomeByEtnicity6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Here, Have a like for Crazy Russian Hacker.

[–]Sendmebobs4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you. Didn't know if anyone would get the reference.

[–]KarmicPrism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Got it here as well ol chap! Get yer goggles

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you, and I am actively losing weight (40 down, 100 to go)

In the meantime, I still like having my dick sucked. This is one of the strategies I have used to make it happen. Do with it what you will.

[–]IncomeByEtnicity 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

The dude's user name is THUNDER GUT. HE has based his identity on his Fatness. You think he cares? He's going to live for another 6 years max. Let him do what he can to validate his existence.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what is wrong with some TRP posters.

The overall message I got from this post? "Hey guys its OK to be fat, nothing wrong with it and here is how you succeed while being fat".

Fuck that shit. TRP isnt the place for such garbage. Take it to the fat acceptance subs. Being fat has no place in sexual strategy.

[–]GuruDev10004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's not telling you that being fat helped him get laid. He's telling you how he gets laid in spite of being fat. TRP is about sexual strategy, isn't it?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude you sound salty. Did a big fat guy fuck your bitch?

Don't take it personally. It was only your turn anyways.

[–]oytrp-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought fat dudes were supposed to be jolly?

Take the criticism, stop being a bitch.

[–]The_Red_Fox_13 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

If fat...lift. Are you lifting OP?

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I lift like a madman. But I eat like a madman too.

[–]ThePropaganda1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bro I weighed 260 and lost 80lbs. You can do it! Not for them, but for you. It's great fitting into 34 jeans, but even better is proving to yourself you have the power and discipline to take control of your life and overcome any challenge.

If you want to game pussy, that's your call. I just want to encourage you that life has addt'l benefits @ normal weight (or at least close to normal)

[–]3chazthundergut[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks dude. 40 down, 100 to go. It is a very slow grind for me

[–]ThePropaganda0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just keep rockin it. I had the luxury of being able to spend 3-4 hrs per day @ gym. If you lost 40 already you're doing something right. Just keep going, keep learning and you will reach your goal.

Are you doing keto and working out?

[–]oytrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe this is worth it for you fat dudes out there. But for anyone with decent SMV this is just a waste of time.

literally days of messages to just maybe go on a date. Spend your time lifting, reading, anything of value.

[–]Jaycee1080 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuckboys mess with a girl's head.

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

as someone who is 96kgs and has NO rotation of girls. can i pm you for coaching??

great post dude I did learn a lot from it. I have stayed away from tinder. ( and pof) since it didn't work for me. though recently I have lost 10 kgs and am not

maybe i should give it ago.

[–]Endorsed Contributormallardcove0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

My advice: Stop being a fatass and lose weight. Then you won't have to rely on so many gimmicks and your quality of women you can pull will increase exponentially.

Or you can continue being a fatass and settle for the table scraps while having to put in more work to win over said table scraps than an in shape man puts in to get the cream of the crop

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s another perspective. Don’t wait till you make it to start trying

The women I fucked & gamed when I was losing weight make me shudder now. I harpooned some landwhales and snagged enough 4s to last a lifetime. I was still fucking & sharpening the saw. Wouldn’t do it again, glad I did it.

[–]troutmask961 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a fatass and spinning plates aren't binary choices. Sure, OP could go monk mode for a year until he reaches his target weight, but why not pop a little pussy along the way?

[–]oytrp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

pop a little is one thing, but it sounds like OP spends a significant amount of time gaming these ugly chicks.

[–]Robin2Fast2Furious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m 6’1 and I weight 180lbs. At most I ever weighed 200lbs. I can’t imagine how American people get so big. I mean I know how and why because of [insert excuse about diet, lifestyle, etc.].

[–]ovrload0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

6’1 180lbs is good. You’re healthy and lean that’s all that matters

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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