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I Want to Lift and Get Bigger. How to Start? Some Basic Bits of Advice.

May 10, 2016
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I Want to Get Bigger and Look Good. How to Start? Beginner's Advice.

My first contribution to TRP.

My background: when I was in high school, and long before I knew there was a "red pill", I was the skinny boy who got picked on and beat up: like many guys who come here, a walking target for assholes who take out their aggression on weaker guys, and unattractive to other girls.

Fast forward to mid 2011: I began my first gym membership, really dedicated myself to it, and GREATLY improved my personal habits and became far healthier (stopped drinking every night, gave up sodas & sweets, no more fast food, and YES amazing I started cooking, too).

The result, after much effort and a struggle to figure out what to do, was worth it: now I'm much stronger, so much more confident, and get compliments from women.

Lifting has been one of the single biggest influences on the quality of my life, aside from a college degree and traveling to other countries. It feels great to have women look at you, have men avoid making eye contact (this is a sign they're passive/intimidated), feel confident and secure, and get more respect than ever before. It is something I wish more men would enjoy.

Being a beginner is tough and there is simply TOO MUCH information. But more importantly, at the gym I attend, I see men going through the motions of exercise but acheiving almost nothing. The same guys I saw years ago in another gym now attend mine, yet, I'm much bigger and stronger and they still look the same. Why is this? I'll explain below.

This post is intended to be a few bits of basic, sensible, hard-earned advice from someone who has been lifting a while and wishes he had the same REAL advice in the beginning. This is not intended to be the "end-all" and I do not claim to have all the answers.

I'll cover the following here:

  • Why we in the TRP constantly tell you to lift

  • The most common mistakes I see guys making in the gym, and why they don't get stronger

  • The basics of what you need to do, good habits, how to know if you're getting results

  • General tips

  • Additional thoughts

Why you should lift:

Despite what your friends or family may tell you, despite what the movies and songs about the underdog would have you believe, the simple truth is that you will receive far less negative attention and receive far more positive attention from both men and women when you are more muscular, have better posture, and appear to be physically superior to those around you. Over the years my appearance has improved gradually until where I reached a point where I look better than the men around men, and I have noticed the reactions I get from both men and women now. Unlike the old days, I have not received the "stink eye" from insecure, aggressive men and I have on many occassions received compliments, random hugs, and phone numbers from women I've met both face to face and online.

Insecure, angry men tend to take out their aggression and hate on those who least deserve it, and least can defend themselves: The smallest men nearby. Assholes often pick an easy target, as I learned when I was young. Women DO NO really care about "What's on the inside" until they're looking for a provider and are serious about an LTR. Stronger men have more sexual appeal, and are perceived as more manly. That is the truth. If you are smaller, you have a disadvantage. Be honest with yourself and accept this fundamental truth. And decide to change it!

The most common mistakes I see guys making in the gym, and why many many do not get bigger & stronger:

I have noticed many traits over time which determine who is getting stronger, bigger, and better looking, and who is not. If you're not really determined to make your gym time worthwhile, the best you'll get is "toned" and slightly stronger, but never reach your full potential.

Here's what I've found wrong with men I observe:

  • No plan: often guys go to the gym, with no particular plan of what to do, or are very disorganized, have no effective routine or goals, and simply "go through the motions", semi-randomly picking up weights, doing something, and then going home.

  • Not taking it seriously: many guys I see periodically play with their cell phones, go to the gym together in groups (and end up talking loudly rather than working out), or periodically glance at the football game on the large-screen TVs on the walls. Just how much do you think they accomplish? Take a guess.

If you are not focused, do not pay attention to the span of time passing, and do not go to workout with your mind (and actions) honed in on what you intend to accomplish that day, you are weak, and are wasting your time.

Look at the men around you who are strong and healthy, and focused. They have goals, plan how to get them, and put their energy and effort into that instead of goofing off.

  • Not pushing yourself: Regardless of how great you workout plans are and how great your gym shirt looks, if you don't stress your muscles and reach fatigue, you won't force them to grow. Time after time I see so many guys pick up weights that are too light for them and go through a few reps before stopping. If practicing good form, the missing component is a weight sufficient to cause muscle fatigue in a relatively small number of repititions (say 6-12, depending on the exercise in question).

Also, simply giving up after one set is too soon. As seen in most good workout guidelines, you should be performing an exercise in at least several sets (repeat a series of repetitions several times).

Your goal should be to find a weight that you can handle safely and with good form, and give 100% effort into performing the exercise correctly and completely. Do not sell yourself short! If you want strength and want the best, you have to say "I'm going to do this."

  • Poor form: If you can't perform an exercise properly, you won't put the muscle group you're working on under much stress at all. Too heavy a weight causes you to "sling" it up, and out of habit to use other muscles that aren't related to move the weight.

Leave your ego at home. If you must, use less weight, and do it properly. Too heavy a weight because you really want to lift more will cause you to risk having an accident in the gym or at the least you're risking hurting joints and tendons. Go down, keeping pushing yourself, and one day you'll be able to move the same weight you wanted safely. Poor form = ineffective exercise & an accident waiting to happen especially with heavy weights.

Ever seen a guy attempt to deadlift heavy weight with a rounded back instead of proper form? That's a guy who is going to hurt himself soon. Don't risk it.

  • Poor diet: yes, sometimes you can fudge a lot on what you eat, but if your eating food lacking in nutritional content, and you're working hard, you will not be consuming the building blocks of what you need to grow larger. Also, lots of sugar is counteractive to a healthy body and will decrease your feeling of wellness and your motivation to work out.

Plan to eat better and enjoy "cheat" meals a few times a week. Read about basic nutrition and start from there.

The basics of what you need to do, good habits, how to know if you're getting results:

The bare minimum of weightlifting consists of good practices, along with a few fundamental ideas: perform basic exercises properly, with moderate weight, eat properly, and rely mainly on free weights. Use machine sparingly.

  • What exercises should I do? You should focus (at least starting) on basic exercises involving your chest, arms (biceps & triceps), shoulders, legs, and back. A good starting point is performing 2-3 exercises for each body group, rotating or changing up the exercises a few days a week.

  • Basic fundamental exercises: these are those such as deadlifts, the bench press/dumbbell press, shoulder press, back row, squats, curls, and triceps push-downs that affect a variety of muscles and supporting muscles.

Squats and deadlifts are very exhausting when done properly, and rely on a large portion of your body because of having to support and move the weight.

  • Use mainly free weights: don't be the guy who uses a few machines then goes home. Free weights call in to play secondary muscle groups and not just the main muscle you are targeting, unlike single-motion machines. This means you'll be requiring additional strength from those and gaining strength in other areas as required for holding weight stable for the particular exercise.

Use machines for focusing on particular exercises (like the leg press, leg extensions, hamstrings, etc) but only as a supplement to a good routine.

Also, the Smith machine can never require as much of your body as a barbell squat. The difference is huge, and if you think you can lift a lot of weight with the Smith machine, a squat rack will humble you.

  • Don't use a trainer unless they're very good. So many worthless trainers are everywhere!

One major thing I see is gyms attempting to sell training packages to beginners and new gym members. In almost all cases, the trainers were weak, skinny men with no real experience in weightlifting. VERY few men I've met who were "trainers" could really compete with the basic knowledge I've learned. Don't waster your time and money. You can do much better on your own, and for little to no additional money, with a reputable workout program done correctly.

There are great trainers out there, but you won't usually find them in the cookie-cutter gyms for a reason. I see so many people frequently going through the motions from their "professional" trainer, and I see the mistakes and lack of progress.

  • Don't be afraid to ask guys who look like they're serious about working out. Despite what some (especially bitchy, weak men) peopel would have you believe, in my experience most stronger guys in the gym are actually very down to earth and friendly, and would be happy to give advice to someone serious about doing better.

Insecure men ridicule successful men. Better men learn from them!

Just ask. I always give my 100% honest opinion when a guy asks me questions, and give positive encouragement too. So little of that exists, so I always make sure to give some where it's appreciated.

  • If your workout was effective, you should be feeling delayed-onset muscle soreness the next day and it may last a few days depending on how much you stressed your muscles. Soreness is typically a great indicator of how good of a job you're doing in the gym. I know that when I have little to no soreness, my body is not rebuilding muscle and thus I must make changes to my routine, my form, and my workout routine.

Unfortunately I spent far too much time without significant progress until undertaking a workout program which stressed my body much more and gave me far better gains in a shorter time, recently.

  • Find a good workout routine and observe how to do it properly first: there are many of resources on the internet, but it's frustrating to see the information overload you'll feel when getting started. Places like bodybuilding.com have exercise descriptions, routines, and videos demonstrating proper form.

Also, there are many great videos on YouTube from professionals and extremely fit men (who obviously know what they're doing) to help show you the basics and excercises you may have never heard of.

Try working out a while on your own, then I would recommend a high-intensity or heavy/volume training program such as the one I used (although I don't recommend the HVT Reloaded for beginners, it's VERY tough)

  • Believe it or not, some people may discourage you! Yes, I actually dated a woman who once asked me, on several occassions, "you're not going to get any bigger are you?" I said, yes, definitely, I have goals I think are worthwhile. I'm by no means "huge" like some guys, but I found it fascinating to see a woman make such an issue. And that was when I was smaller, lol.

General Tips:

  • Get comfortable gym attire, but don't blow too much money. Get shoes that fit well, give good support, and will be stable for squats, deadlifts, and using weights on the cable machine. Get decently-fitting clothes that are comfortable and will help keep you cool

  • Gloves look cool, but in my experience you don't really need them until you're using much heavier weights, in order to save your palms. Knurled metal dumbell and barbells do quite a number on my hands when using very heavy weight

  • Wrist straps: deadlifts are tough, and as you get stronger there will come a point where it will become difficult and distracting to attempt to hold the bar. Wrist straps (brand name!) that are padded work great and feel much more comfortable. I speak from experience. They can make a SIGNIFICANT difference

  • Shoulder cushion: squats with more weight are hard on your neck & back, and often gyms have pathetic shoulder cushions available. I recommend one like this: here Works great! Much better and lets me focus on the exercise especially when squatting 380lbs on the barbell.

  • Supplements: supplements are just that-something to help in addition to what you should already be doing, and yes, some can be helpful. But in my experience you should not blow a lot of money on supplements.

Some that I've used successfully:

  • pre-workout powders
  • Branch-chain amino acids (BCAAs)
  • Creatine (decent quality, to dissolve better)
  • Multi-vitamins

I think you'll find that too may products exist, and they cost too much, yet don't pay the return on your investment. The most important things are to have your exercises in order, workout hard, eat well, and rest. The supplements will just be icing on the cake.

  • Plan visiting the gym, just as a starting point, around 3 days a week, and always be consistent, but be flexible. For example, expect that events will come up, and you may need to switch workout days, but make up for it ASAP.

A great starting plan would be Monday/Wednesday/Friday or similar. These leave sufficient time for rest in between, and you can move days around as needed.

  • Consistency: This is SO important. You must continue to push yourself forward, and don't simply give up. Keep working out. On days you don't feel so much like it, take a little while to get refocused, then get yourself together and GO DO IT!

Some days will be great. Some days you simply will NOT feel like working out. However, to grow and make progress you must keep pushing forward.

If you're ill or simply feel so bad that you cannot workout productively, then take the time off as needed, but be committed to making it up ASAP, particularly that same week.

I am dedicated to this and that why I have gotten ahead of other guys in my gym: the others don't care enough to put in the effort; they're simply not dedicated!

When we are not consistent, we tend to slip back into lazy, comfortable habits. It's true!

  • Keep notes: One of the best things I've ever done was recording my workout agenda, reptitions performed, and if necessary, special notes like if it was particularly hard or if I need to go up or down in weight.

Recently it was extremely motivating to see my progress and I did not have to rely on memory in order to know my starting point next time (as well as if I needed to make changes to anything). Additionally I tracked my weight as time went on.

Additional thoughts:

There you have it: a simplified, get-started-and-do-something group of suggestions.

You now know a little bit more about the following:

  • Why you should lift; reasons to be motivated to do so, and what it feels like to get results
  • What commonly guys do wrong in the gym--don't do this!
  • What types of exercises to start working on, that you must do them properly, and you must give 100% effort
  • Don't cheat yourself: if you don't follow through, you can't grow and get bigger
  • That you should plan on finding information about what to do, how to do it, and nutrition
  • The importance of putting in the effort

Thanks for reading. I'm sure I'm leaving many things out, and I'm not bragging in any regards about anything. Just simply I saw in another TRP post how there might be a need for bits of info, and I remember how it felt to struggle to get to where I am now.

Edit: formatting, first time posting

Note:

1) Since I'm getting some hate, let me be clear: I am NOT putting down others, nor am I bragging or am I the biggest guy. That should be clear by now by my post but apparently not.

2) The most recent (and most productive) workout program I used was HVT Reloaded by Craig Capurso which is a heavy weight and high-volume cycling routine. This is an e-book but he appears to have taken down his Fire and Ice website where I purchased it some months ago. PM me if you want to know more.

Pics: So I am being prompted (rather rudely) after my post, to post some pics, as if I'm not legitimate. I'm not wild about posting pics on pretty much one of the most hated places on the internet, but here you go:

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Title I Want to Lift and Get Bigger. How to Start? Some Basic Bits of Advice.
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Date May 10, 2016 9:43 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]DatFeeler 15 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Great intro post.

Of the best comebacks if a woman ever shit tests you asking "you're not going to get bigger are you?" is to simply ask "Well I'm just trying to keep up with you" and smirk.

[–]The__Tren__Train7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"I was just going to ask you the same thing"

(:

[–]TheDialecticParadox22 points23 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

How to get huge quickly:

Only stick to high intensity (85%+) compound movements in the gym, get plenty of sleep, eat nutritious meals, and use minimal supplements.

I squat 3x a week, deadlift, OHP and bench twice a week, and clean and do pullups once a week and my physique has never looked better. That's it.

[–]Verve1111 points12 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Literally exactly what I did.

I also started boxing, and threw in intermittent fasting. I've never been stronger, looked better or felt this dangerous.

[–]vagbutters4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How do you fit in boxing into the routine? Do you keep it on a separate day from your lifts?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not the same guy but I lift in the morning 6x a week and do Muay Thai in the evening 4x a week (and hit my punching bag for 30 mins a day on the other 3). Just eat a lot, stay hydrated, and listen to your body.

[–]Verve110 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I box Monday, Wednesday and Friday for 2 hours in the morning, then lift in the evening. Tuesday and Thursday I go to Strength and Conditioning classes in the morning and go to the gym in the evening.

Saturday and Sunday I do nothing because I'm dead haha.

[–]vagbutters1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how you guys find the time or effort to make two separate trips to the gym. I'm usually pooped after my lifts and I even keep cardio on separate days to avoid this issue.

[–]Verve110 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mentally consider working out my second job, so I train and eat like an athlete. I think it just comes down to mindset.

Also I'm 23, so my body recovers pretty quickly. Not sure how old you are.

[–]vagbutters0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

24-- I still don't know how you're managing it. I give lifting my all and I can feel the tiredness after.

[–]Arnoux1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How long is one fasting session for you usually?

[–]Verve110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I fast anywhere between 14-16 hours a day. Once a week I'll do 20 hours. Weekends I relax and eat when I want.

[–]idiocraties0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would agree on Intermittent fasting

I do 8/16 on most days (not always feasible with late gym sessions). Good for physique, good for health, and good for discipline.

[–]Verve110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah really improves energy. I also feel lighter when working out in the mornings.

[–]SubbaHubba0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]sbdhfgy54wre8uifj0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

fantastic, this is encouraging to read...im a beginner, but ive done a lot of research and came up with a regiment similar to this. Feeling good so far, lets see what a year can do.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

you forgot to mention dbol

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blue hearts are fuel for the gain train.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

inb4 gaylubeoil tells you doing 5x5 will build a better physique than isolation.

[–]Hiimusog2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why do 5v5 and isolation have to be seperated? For example I use 5x5 for my deadlifts, squats and sometimes chest (if i'm focusing on building my bench strength). For everything else I use isolation movements like curls, shrugs, lat pulldowns etc.

Is there really any downside to doing both?

[–]DownvotesplzzXD5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, 5x5 with bodybuilding accessories is good, it's basically the ICF 5x5 routine. When people say that 5x5>isolation they mean don't exclude the 5x5 compound lifts.

[–]stawek1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been doing icf for the last few months and really like it. Strength is growing steadily, minimal doms, very simple workouts with some wiggle room for your own accessories to pick.

The only downside is time - it takes me 2 hours to complete a workout, 3 times a week. I am ok with it but can see this as a problem for busier people.

[–]YugiBubu 3 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

5x5 deadlifts

When ya boi actively tryna kill himself 😂😂👌👌

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The whole 1x5 vs 5x5 is really a matter of personal fitness level.

You can do a ton a deadlifts a week and still build mass and strength. However you can't start at 5x5 on deadlifts largely because most people are unequipped and don't have a strong form when they start.

I have worked my deadlifts from a 1 rep 95 max to 385 max holding form in around 9 months. I can even manage a 3x3 at 95% providing I take a solid 5 - 10 min rest between sets. I'm fucking 34 years old now and I just started getting into some serious lifting. I hadn't done a squat in my life before talking with GLO.

The core reason why Medhi suggests you only to DL 1 to 2 a week and in 1x5 sets is to reduce the risk of injury. When people get tired they start to lift like a scared cat and wreck their backs.

Working up to 5x5 by throwing in an extra set every couple of months is a great way to build up that recovery.

5x5 isn't the gospel either there is plenty of room for individual adjustment.

[–]yomo860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I don't see a downside except time. When I am done with 5x5 for one day I spent most of my strength and have been in the gym for an hour. Anything on top will be less but still effective; so my guess is a proper 5x5 some cardio and then leaving.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every method works. 5x5 is simple, effective, gets you stronger and you have less risk of creating muscle imbalances and increasing your risk of injury.

[–]kremer50 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

isolation is wasted time if you're a beginner. want to get big fast? deadlift/squat/bench. curls won't help you much bro

[–]Hiimusog0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think its wasted time..worked for me. The 3 big compounds are obviously super important but adding isolation can help imo.

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It actually does if you lift heavy enough, unfortunately it takes a long time to condition your body to lift heavy weights and therefore isn't immediately accessible.

[–]The__Tren__Train23 points24 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Soreness is not an indicator of an effective workout

[–]TrueMetal2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. I lift a fuckton more than I did at the beginning, consistently, but hardly get any DOMS anymore.

The only real indicator is your scale and measuring tape. That and if you are able to put more weight on the bars every once in a while.

[–]radianceofparadise3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It is an indicator, but not the only one. Those who workout fairly often don't experience DOMS as much as the occasional lifter.

[–]The__Tren__Train3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's actually not an indicator at all..

[–]vagbutters5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One major correction to your post- soreness doesn't necessarily indicate a good workout. It just means that the respective muscles have gone through stress that they're not normally used to. If you do the same exercises consistently long enough, the DOMS will be severely reduced. You can notice this most on leg days- if it's your first time after a long time you won't be able to walk properly for days due to the pain. Give it about a month or two and you won't feel much of anything except for muscle fatigue.

[–]aholeguy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i do tons of various types of unges, i can say i still get sore in my ass when I am using some heavier dumbbells. It is not the doms I once experienced, but I can tell when I have gone heavier.

[–]shiri-me45 points46 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

Can you post shirtless pictures of yourself w/proof, like your reddit username written on a paper? Want to see who I'm listening to and make sure you're not the "skinny-fat fitness bro" type guy that infests the internet. Because you brag constantly about how big and strong and great looking you are, but denigrate smaller men as weak bitches, which is something I don't see real advanced lifters doing.

People who have barely achieved competence often feel the need to tear down beginners as a way to separate themselves and fuel their own egos, whereas those who have achieved mastery are secure enough to appear humble. You sound like a guy who got his first gains and now thinks he's God's gift to the plebians. I think some pictures are relevant to the discussion.

If I'm wrong I'll call you on the phone and apologize, or apologize in person if you live in my town.

[–]B_uckets5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even with pictures he could be full of shit.

You can take steroids and then sit on your ass for 10 weeks and still gain more muscle than a natural lifter.

This is why I only trust a few sources for workout advice: Layne Norton, Scott Herman (the Natty Goober), and old-school bodybuilders who most likely had no access to steroids (Steve Reeves, Reg Park, John Grimek, etc.).

[–]Degenyamine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading on that site it says he recommends beginners use a full-body-workout 2-3 times a week rather than a split. He says unless you're using steroids (which I won't be) that's the best choice for beginners. Anyone wanna chime in on that?

I just recently swallowed TRP and I'm about to start lifting this week so I'm a total noob.

[–]Collector7979 points10 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

And he advocates the use of gloves, wrist straps, and a shoulder cushion for squatting... Nothing wrong with those things if you really need them, but do you realllyyy need them? Probably not, and you'll probably be better off not.

[–]tat_guy_says_what2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

People that actually lift call the shoulder pad a "pussy pad"

From a real lifter

[–]mugatucrazypills0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Pussies take a pounding. It's balls that are delicate." - Betty White

[–]tat_guy_says_what2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Suck my dick - the stifmeister

[–]ThePantsThief4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

He said the gloves and cushion were for heavier weights.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

They are for pussies lifting heavy weights. Strong callous hands are a sign of hard work. Also deadlift straps and mixed grip is only something to consider if you are pulling 2xbw and have a very good reason to use them. You are just creating weaknesses that will come back to haunt you.

If grip is an issue holding you back work on some hangs and heavy carries. Next option is learning hook grip.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, my hands have gotten torn up pretty bad after a certain point.

I do not really want to use gloves, but it's gotten harder and harder to avoid as weight has gone up.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You might want to look up how weightlifters deal with callous maintenance. These dudes are throwing around huge weights almost daily often with rotation in the bar. If you file them down regularly they wont tear as easily.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I'll have to do that.

[–]a_chill_bro0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They are for pussies lifting heavy weights. Strong callous hands are a sign of hard work. Also deadlift straps and mixed grip is only something to consider if you are pulling 2xbw and have a very good reason to use them.

My dl used to suffer tremendously from what I thought was a grip strength problem. For the life of me I could not hold on to the damn bar but I could feel my legs/back could more than handle the weight. I was using straps which didn't really make much of a difference.

Then I found out about a little thing called mixed grip. As soon as I started using it I discovered the dl is my strongest lift. I felt like fucking superman when I added nearly 90lbs to my dl almost instantly.

TL;DL: Use mixed grip.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMarsupian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im more a fan of hookgrip. Technically more difficult but less risk of imbalances or tearing a bicep.

Btw. dont do any pulling or bicep work before mixed grip deadlifts.

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he means like, extremely heavy... But yeah, having a strong grip is important too. Arnold advised against straps unless you're lifting extremely heavy weights.

[–]Solitary_Wolf 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Strong callous hands are a sign of hard work.

my hands used to be like that until i switched to fatgripz. now theyre very smooth but my forearms are huge.

[–]ShowtimeBrodin0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Is fatgripz a brand, or do you simply use a thicker bar?

[–][deleted] 1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]BuschMaster_J0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just bought them. They are the shit.

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[–]BuschMaster_J0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were sold out of the black for like a month so I just went ahead with the blue ones. Actually good since they are easy to see if I set them down on the black gym mats.

[–]ColdIceZero 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

What's the disadvantage of using gloves?

[–]thor_away920 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Once you use real weight they'll make you lose power and fuck up your form. Same with shoes. They start sliding around on you.

[–]ColdIceZero 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait, so are you saying guys should generally lift barefoot?

[–]thor_away920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my expierence, yes. Try it. You'll notice it.

Sometimes my friends throw the safety card, but some dinky rubber shoe isn't going to stop 3x45 plates.

You can get lifting shoes/converse. I've tried them and I swear by it you lose power. When I try to get square and plant my feet hard I can feel my feet move in the shoe no matter how tight they are.

I lift in as little clothing as possible.

[–]a_chill_bro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're expensive. They start falling apart and ripping after just a few weeks of use. You end up having to buy a new pair every few weeks.

You'll create a stronger grip by not using them and building callouses anyways.

[–]aholeguy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

i will post a pic of my callouses, specifically the morning after dead lifts, oucho.

[–]enfier0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

File your callouses down so they don't get pinched between your hand and the bar.

[–]coops1367-3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you advocate the use of those items it's apparent you don't even lift.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true. I'm not using gloves at the moment, and would still prefer not too, but I'm beginning to come out of they gym with my callouses almost tearing.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you read it wrong. I do not advocate the use of gloves, except maybe to keep my hands from getting torn up.

I advocated the use of wrist straps and shoulder pad for heavy weights.

You obviously have never had 425lbs of weight on you shoulders, or tried shrugs with 500+ plus, or dead lifts.

[–]aholeguy1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. I am in my 40s and I would post a pic of my abs and other shit if it would lend legitimacy to my plight. It does not have to contain face and the mods can verify.

[–]pidnull1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On the use of gloves/cushion:

Do whats comfortable. We are at our best when we are calm/relaxed. To become relaxed, we should first be comfortable.

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[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm definitely not all talk. I can't pull all these ideas out of thin air; that should be obvious.

Listen, if you want to be a nay-sayer and "hater" (as much as I dislike that word) go right ahead, but don't question my hard work.

You definitely haven't earned the right. I busted my ass for a long, long time and by and far you would never be willing to do the same.

[–]darkvinc 3 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

stop defending yourself you just look more butthurt than you really are ... hey what works for you is fine, who cares if couples of dude do not do the same thing. Gloves and pads and whatever are fine if it works for you ... you're the best person to know what's working with you ....

Keep frame it's also a RP must

[–]Blaat19850 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

A picture still won't say much. If he's blasting cycles he can do whatever the fuck he wants and still get huge. Steroid users play by different rules than natural lifters.

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[–]Blaat19850 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking cheaters privilage.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not on steroids. I would have admitted to it, if it were the case.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I can post a pic, and I might. But I have to wonder about why you're the only one here with a comment like that.

I am clearly NOT bragging, and even specifically made this clear. There are definitely bigger guys than me, guys with lower body fat, etc. but I'm ok. Things are going well for me at this point, and after working extremely hard in the gym for 6 months (6 days a week/ two 12 week programs) I got great results and for a while I have been simply wanting to contribute in the hope that other guys don't waste time and effort like I used to.

But more importantly, to let them know that I was once that little guy; I know how it feels, and I've been there. And why it's so beneficial to take this hard, but worthwhile, journey.

I have NOT torn down others; that goes against all my principles, and I even wrote statements that clearly are the opposite of that. For example, I always give positive encouragement to anyone who will appreciate it or may be in need of a little "boost."

Your post is way off the mark, and without merit.

Where did you get these ideas?

[–]shiri-me-5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

40 people read my post and agree with me. Consider yourself called out. Put up or shut up.

[–]RPFlame2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

40 people read my post and agree with me

Just because they're 40 doesn't mean they're right.

Ever heard of people briganding threads on Reddit or you will feign ignorance on that too?

The majority is by definition right? That's something only a blue pill would believe. Thanks for proving me right when I called you out for your first post here, briganding with ad hominem attacks as if they disprove anything.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Consider myself called out? Not really. Nothing to be called out on.

I updated my post with links to my pics. I am not going out of my way to take new ones just for you, I'm at work

No need to be rude.

[–]RPFlame2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No need to be rude.

They're briganding you bro, they get high with that. So many paragraphs of information and all they had to say is personal attacks to disprove your credibility.

Start learning to keep frame and ignore. There's no such thing as "victory" in an internet argument. Next time use agree and amplify and laugh it away instead of posting pictures. "I'm not photogenic", "dog ate my gains xD".

And stop attaching your self-worth to karma, like he does. "I gots me 40 upvotes, justice is with me!" lol. No words.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All great points. Thanks for the feedback.

Yeah usually I do that on Disqus comments (which are VERY bitter & full of white knights, etc.) but always great to have a reminder! I'll keep your comments in mind my friend, and I'll adjust next time.

[–]RPFlame0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I see this is your first time posting in TRP so I'll give you a heads up: The photo will have his face blurred because there were situations of witch-hunting and doxxing from feminists.

However, a person who uses the same tone and advice is GayLubeOil and he gives zero fucks about doxxers, posts his pictures and you can easily search for them here.

which is something I don't see real advanced lifters doing.

Aside from the "real" no true Scotchman, the reason why you don't see them doing it because when they do it irl you know who they are. It doesn't mean that they don't think like that, it means they don't express it. It impacts their public image.

Unless you mean "you don't see them doing it in other subreddits". Well, in other subreddits there's more "thought policing".

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[–]trptwerp3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone lifts nowadays? Ha, I wish. I wouldn't mind Americans having better health at the sake of having to be at a higher standard of physical well being.

[–]1Sir_Distic3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Very informative post. Thanks

What are your thoughts on Stronglifts 5x5?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi, I have not done 5x5, but 4x6 and 6x4 (heavy) as part of the last program I was using (HVT Reloaded by Craig Capurso).

5x5 sounds good, but after getting great results with heavy training AND high-volume, personally I would try doing both, mixed week by week.

I can't really comment on 5x5 otherwise, sorry.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2223 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As a personal trainer a lot of this is good advice. Couple things though: you don't need wrist straps, barpads, or weight belts. You're only handicapping yourself longterm to rely on them. Connective tissue and tendons strengthen over the course of about 4-6 weeks. It's why your wrists hurt when you bench heavy and they eventually get easier.

The shoes are very important, and though I don't support crossfit there are awesome shoes that keep you on your heels made for serious lifting.

Instead of recommending bicep curls and tricep pull downs, I'd heavily recommend bodyweight dips and bodyweight pull-ups/chin ups (assisted if needed) as they are the compound exercise form of those movements and net greater results.

Be sure to warm up for 10 minutes on any piece of cardio equipment before heavy lifting. Stretching is important after the workout too.

Drink lots of water throughout your workout. 1 reg sized bottle ain't gonna cut it. You need to keep hydrated to lift effectively. 3 bottles per 90 minutes AT LEAST.

Solid protein within 45 minutes of working out. Whey or meat. Best with both. Chocolate or whole milk to spike insulin in the shake to quicken recovery response for your muscles.

Sleep 8-9 hours. No less. Nap a full sleep cycle if you only get 6.

Preworkout fucking rocks for getting more out of your sessions but would recommend using it in cycles. 3 months on 3 months off. 5-6 sets mean you're finally taking your shit seriously, sometimes more if you still don't feel a good pump.

I could keep going, pm me with any questions. Get big bros

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. Yes, I need to get off of the pre-workout.

Also I was suspecting exactly what you said about straps, although I've found it really distracting to be thinking about my grip when dealing with heavy weights.

[–]AutisticusMaximus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

3 bottles per 90 minutes

What is a regular sized water bottle in this context? Are talking about 3x500ml?

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[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Ok, I see what you're saying. I haven't considered that enough so I am only speaking from personal experience, especially recently, in which I made more gains in 6 months than I had in the last 2 years or so.

Some of the most sore days of my life, no kidding.

[–]ThePantsThief1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What exactly did you do differently to make more gains recently?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't making any progress, and got frustrated, and came across Craig Capurso's e-book (HVT Reloaded). (note: unfortunately now it looks like he's taken down his website and doing coaching). I bought it, really worked hard (100%), and I was surprised.

6 days a week, 12 week program. I did it twice, too. Finally got above 200lbs and saw quite a bit of strength increased! It was cycled heavy weight, and high volume training.

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So the E-Book isn't available anymore because he took his site down?

200 lbs? How tall are you?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm 6'2". Yes, originally I bought a different e-book, then HVT Reloaded just came out.

Unfortunately I had no idea until I posted this that he seems to be doing only coaching and must have taken down the site. His Facebook page has changed, too.

Here's a pic of the cover

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Dang. I'm trying to find it somewhere online but I don't think I'll be able to. Thanks anyway!

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

PM me and I'll send it to you :)

[–]Blaat19852 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Progressive overload is the most important aspect of building muscle, not muscle fatigue.

DOMs are not an indicator of a good workout. If you have been working out for a while it's actually an indication that something is off. Its caused by lack of sleep, poor diet or overtraining.

[–]TheGatherHunter2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One major thing I see is gyms attempting to sell training packages to beginners and new gym members. In almost all cases, the trainers were weak, skinny men with no real experience in weightlifting.

Can confirm. I went to the gym for years without ever having used a PT. I joined a new gym and the package came with a free PT session. I thought "why not since it's free?" So I'm a pretty muscular person, but for some reason they assigned me to this really skinny guy. I couldn't believe my eyes. He took me into his office and questioned me about my routine. He seemed more concerned about how many veggies I was getting and how much time I spent on the treadmill than what type of lifting I did. I prodded a little bit and it turns out that he's a vegetarian who does almost exclusively cardio. He also had a membership to Planet Fitness because it was much closer to his house. You know, the gym that has the lug alert alarm if they hear any grunting. He tried to sign me up for PT sessions, and I almost laughed.

Join a meathead gym and make some friends if you want to see some guys who really know what they're doing. Far better than getting a PT at a random gym.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that doesn't surprise me.

I've heard of some "trainers" talking the lingo, and yet, honestly they're pretty weak guys, smaller than me, and not nearly working out as hard when they're working out in their off time.

This seems to be very common now with the chain gyms. I've seen it several times, and I hate to see people wasting their time and money like that.

[–]1pecman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There have been so many of these beginner lifting/dieting threads. It's about time someone made a "So you've been lifting for 6-12months, now what?" post.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, maybe I've missed the beginner ones, but I saw this come up in an unrelated topic and wanted to at least contribute somehow.

[–]marinewannabee971 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would advise mainly sticking to the compounds for a while, pullups/chinups, bench, OHP, deadlifts, squat, power clean and front squat. When I started I could not get through a whole workout on the same body part.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, that's what I do quite a bit of now, too.

[–]marinewannabee970 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweet, for the sake of aesthetics throw in some isolation exercises, curls, lat raises, triceps pushdowns.

[–]introspect2314 2 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

The best thing anyone new to weight lifting can do is to go to a reputable source online and pick out a workout program. The designers of these programs are excellent. I have been following plans from BodyBuilding.com for about 3 years with great success. They give you workout plans for 6, 8 or 12 weeks, along with meal plans you should follow as closely as possible. It's all free, except if you get into supplements, in which case you'll spend a couple hundred bucks every 2 months or so. For beginners, you can skip the supplements if you make sure you're eating enough.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, absolutely.

It's really tough doing it on your own starting out. I regret not having used a program from a well-known & successful trainer or weightlifter earlier, though I did recently.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Interestingly, when I was 17, I swole up quickly from lifting but did not get strong. People were commenting on my physique when my bench 1RM was something like 60 kg. 130 lbs although never really tested it (just did my 5x10 with 50 kg). Then restarting it past 35+ I got stronger quickly but hardly added size, like doing 5x5 benches with 90kg so almost 200 lbs but it hardly shows.

I don't actually mind, I do it for the testosterone, not for the looks. Just saying it is weird how bodies work.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, the good thing is you start to get compliments fairly soon after you've been doing it consistently.

At least I remember that within around 6 mos I started to get positive comments when I began. That was really encouraging.

[–]KetchupFTW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If your workout was effective, you should be feeling delayed-onset muscle soreness the next day and it may last a few days depending on how much you stressed your muscles. Soreness is typically a great indicator of how good of a job you're doing in the gym. I know that when I have little to no soreness, my body is not rebuilding muscle and thus I must make changes to my routine, my form, and my workout routine.

This is bullshit. Soreness is in no way, shape, or form a good indicator as to how much muscle you are rebuilding.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree 100% I definitely saw the most gains when it was it was present. I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but it did coincide with the best growth I've ever had.

I would like to have more information about that especially if this has been studied and observed.

I mean, I know that it isn't necessary in order to grow, but, at what point does a given amount of soreness reflect what amount of muscle growth? I'd like to have more answer.

[–]500eagles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, but just one thing I'd like to add; not having DOMS doesn't necessarily mean your workout was ineffective. I only do strength training in the gym (heavy olympic lifts) and after a while you just don't get sore anymore. If you're doing strength-based exercises (1-5 reps, heavy weights), it's completely normal to not feel any soreness the next day.

[–]redpillbrazil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless you're living on Iceland, South Island NZ, or Alaska, you should leave the gym sweating your brains off; literally dripping wet

if your not, and you don't live on Ice, you're not pushing hard enough

ps: and i don't mean sweating from bikes, running or some crazy cardio, I MEAN BY LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHTS

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, exactly.

I just am surprised how many guys leave without so much as looking like they're even slightly exhausted.

It seems, at least the places I've been, guys who work really hard are in the minority.

Perhaps that's a great parallel to RP men vs. blue pill, now that I think about it.

[–]knightSwolaire1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You had me until "shoulder cushion"

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How much weight have you had on your shoulders?

It's helped me dramatically when I start squatting heavy weight (I put 380lbs on the bar recently), and I don't have to worry about damaging my neck as I appeared to start to do using the crapping gym cushion or especially none at all.

Several people who borrowed it told me how much they liked it, too. I suppose it all depends, but I'd rather reduce my distractions when I'm dealing with a hard workout, if possible.

[–]knightSwolaire2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you putting the bar directly on your neck?? Dude....

[–]Il1283 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

As an older man.

1 I don't do any supplements other than a multivitamin.

2 avoid like the plague high fructose corn syrup. It's got many different names now I'd have to link google to get them all. Avoid this shit. It is a fat making machine of massive power.

Great post.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, fructose overloads your carb handling system.

Sucrose (table sugar) is 50% fructose so try to avoid that too. The other sugars (glucose/galactose based) aren't as bad.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. I just avoid sugar altogether most of the time.

I barely touch anything sweet anymore, and even on cheat days/meals my attraction to sweets has gone remarkably due to adjusting to my better habits.

It just gets tiresome having to worry about it, in my opinion so I pretty much avoid altogether.

[–]TheDialecticParadox-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh, spare me. HFCS is no worse than ordinary sugar. It just so happens that it is present in foods like chocolate, fast foods, desserts, microwave meals, chips, etc. So no wonder people have health issues and get fat from ingesting it.

[–]Juffo-WupDeepChild4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not true. Glucose is fuel for your body. Fructose is a poison which has a metabolic pathway very similar to that of alcohol. While sucrose (table sugar) does contain both a glucose and fructose ring, the ratio is 1:1. But HFCS has extra free fructose rings added to it, bringing the ratio of glucose to fructose closer to 9:11, or 45% glucose to 55% fructose. This might not seem like much of a difference, but over time it will cause excess strain to the liver, as well as the rest of the digestive and endocrine systems, especially in a person who's consuming high quantities of the stuff. Just like excess alcohol consumption, excess fructose consumption can cause excess weight gain, and speed up the development of diabetes or cirrhosis.

So while ordinary sugar isn't exactly great for you, high fructose corn syrup is certainly worse in any measurable sense.

[–]Alpacash0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Fructose is a poison" -Juffo-WupDeepChild, 2016

[–]pressedred1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything can be a poison in a sufficient dosage. His point is that HFCS is a worse "kind" of sugar than other, readily available alternatives. Fructose isn't new, our ancestors have been eating it for as long as fruit has been around. Only difference is, fructose is locked behind cell walls of fruits, lowering the rate of absorption, while processed sugars is unfiltered and the end result is high blood pressure & obesity.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2221 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What ordinary sugar? High fructose corn syrup is high density and fruit sugar is low density. Fruit burns faster and stores less fat, no to mention has fiber. Eat fruit instead of sweets.

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I said. Don't eat crap food.

[–]and_what_not 4 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great post. Thank you very much for the input.

As for the progressive overload, and tracking, I recently started using the Jefit app (available for both android and iphone). It allows you to create your own routine from the broad database of various exercises, or choose from the already pre-made programes. You can record each workout in terms of sets/reps made and weight lifted and track your progress from there.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, I've heard of that, and might check it out.

So far I was just printing out the pages of my workout routine and using pencil, and keep it in a folder.

[–]radianceofparadise1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget to include a de-load week every once in a while. These have contributed massively to my strength. Use a lower weight, high volume set. Go slow and pause at the end of your contraction. It helps build the mind/muscle connection and focus on proper technique. Many times when I stall, de-loads help me push through plateaus. I used to think they were a waste of time. Then I would come home and wonder why I'm so damn sore this time!

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's wrong with being sore?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi, yes, I didn't think to mention it, but I have recently started doing the same as well. I saw it mentioned to try it like every 8th week or so.

I just jotted down some basic things I've learned, to at least help some guys get started.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Informative post, I learned a lot. Thank you for your effort and time.

[–]Wtfisthisgamebtw0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought it was just do a few push ups, sit ups and pull ups everyday /s

great guide, thank you, as someone who's just starting to take it more seriously and working out almost everyday in the Army's gym after work, this gives me some insight and focus on what to do.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've been there, done that, and just got overwhelmed with what's out there.

A lot of the experienced guys are right: It boils down the basics, as well as taking it seriously and not goofing of.

The biggest, best looking guys are the ones who do their best.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Creatine is perhaps the most effective supplement you could ever take. It's really cheap too.

Don't waste your time with BCAAs and preworkout. Grab some caffeine pills and save yourself 25$+ on filler flavour and other compounds that aren't as effective as the raw caffeine itself. Then pick up some chicken breasts and veggies and lift.

At the end of the day, the best supplement is running test. Supplements do very little for us natties.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm near 150% of my bodyweight in squats. What I'm struggling with now is whether to continue the 5x5 or switch to a hypertrophy focused program. I just want to look good naked. Couldn't care less if I'm lifting 100kg or 300kg. Your thoughts?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

At this point, you can switch to 3x5 for the heavy stuff and add more hypertrophy work at the end, like 3x8 front squats + leg press and other exercices.

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm doing 6x12, should I switch to 5x5 with more weight?

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just continued doing my strength programming and added isolation work at the end..

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Personally I got excellent results with heavy weight, then the next week(s), lower weight but high volume. This was a program from Craig Capurso.

When I say high volume, I mean it: 80, 90, or 100 reps total, over 6-9 sets.

Pretty tough at times, but effective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy fuck. I'll give it a go

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you want a copy, PM me your email.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm skinny but not quite DYEL tier - I was a high school athlete and I'm an army vet. My chest is 38" and I'm a shorty at 5'8". I have a lot of very nice clothes mostly sized small. If I start working out hard will I probably have to buy a whole new wardrobe?

[–]Hiimusog2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you wear tight/slim jeans/joggers yes you will need to replace them. At 5'7 I've went from a size 28/9 to a size 30/31 in slim jeans from just 8 months of lifting, due to quads and hammies growing. Soon your jeans will be held by your thighs and not your waist lol.

Regarding upper body most stuff will still fit, in fact they will just fit better as you fill them out much more.

[–]ponkyol1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, clothing will start to feel small around your chest, upper arm and thighs.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I agree.

And one day I could no longer pull my jeans up my legs, I had thought they had shrunk. It was crazy, but good. Except that I really liked my old clothes.

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubtful, I'm 5 8 and skinny too, I don't see myself outgrowing "small" unless I get HUGE

[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you workout properly you definitely will. At least your lower half. You said you're skinny so I'm assuming you have chicken legs like I did. After squatting almost double my bodyweight 3x a week my legs have gotten really thick and none of my pants fit me. Only one pair of loose fitting soccer shorts and some oversized tracksuit pants my bro gave me.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's what happened for me: I did not have to buy new clothes until recently, when my jeans, pants, and shirts simply became too tight.

I would think you have a bit to go before you hit that point.

[–]ShowtimeBrodin0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was a skinny little back in July 2015. 180 cm and 60kg. Now I am 70kg. Still gaining, but progress is much slower. Ultimately my goal is to weigh 80kg at 10% bodyfat.

However I did not follow much of what OP posted, otherwise known as the mainstream advice. I workout randomly, and switch up exercises frequently. About once every 4-8 weeks I don't work out for a week intentionally. I eat a lot, also 'bad' things. It is of my opinion that a lot in weight training is the result of overthinking or passing on what another guy said.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would say that in my experience the first period of time for me was more or less good regardless of what I did, but the problem was later I stalled a lot, despite working hard.

I think you will eventually find you'll need to make big changes to make progress and follow more of the advice like mine and others.

Definitely, if you want to maximize your time and effort, I would recommend getting a great workout guide from a well-known lifter/trainer and following that.

[–]ShowtimeBrodin0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you will eventually find you'll need to make big changes to make progress and follow more of the advice like mine and others.

I am excited to find out. Perhaps my method is not as good as I think it is, and I will have to change tactics. Either way, thanks for creating the article. I will be sure to refer to it if I need it.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the feedback! Just keep on going, and don't stop. It will be worth it!

[–]Fetish_Goth 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't use a trainer unless they're very good. So many worthless trainers are everywhere!

Fuck yes. Trainers are always coming up to me and offering their services and advice. Some are good and I've used their advice, but some are really shitty and if I had followed their advice I would have injured myself. Be aware that it doesn't take a kinesiology degree to get a job as a gym trainer.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I'm honestly just tired of seeing so many people get the sales pitch. Trainers aren't cheap, and these people talk a lot with all the jargon, but clearly don't have the personal experience to actually have been successful themselves.

I've seen, and met, a few good ones, and you definitely know they're on another level. Ripped, built guys, and fit, strong women.

Totally different than some pasty white skinny guys and a few women who sit on the floor and watch you do curls with 15lb weights under their direction.

[–]Fetish_Goth 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, the other day this young trainer with legs like tree trunks was trying to give me advice on my squat form. I was explaining to him that my form is OK for my body (I squat full depth, but with toes pointed out at almost 45 deg as that is what protects my knees for my body shape) and he kept trying to tell me that I needed to point my toes straight forward. I didn't want to argue but I know from experience that would have been really bad for my knees. Well, yesterday I was at the gym and I noticed he had one of his knees all taped up. I'm not saying he hurt his knees squatting that way but just because a guy is big, doesn't mean he is using good form either. This guy is young and his joints are probably more flexible than mine as well they probably recovery from injury faster. I'm in my mid 30s and have to be careful when it comes to every single lift. When I began lifting, I hurt myself a lot by following the advice of others until I settled on the proper form for my own body.

The older trainers are the ones I listen to. If a guy is in his 40s or something and really fit, he knows how to do it right.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think basically the same way you do, too.

Generally if something doesn't feel right, I find out why and don't push my luck. Also I don't keep my feet necessarily perfect straight forward. I've noticed what you wrote, also.

I didn't have much luck with guys who gave me advice except for a select few who looked like they had really earned their experience, and could tell me why they gave me the answer they did (much more credibility, rather than repeating the same things others do).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Purchase your own gym in your house. Makes it easy. Wanna get big fast? Take some juicy juice.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I had bad experiences with both of those.

1) Tried Test C once, all I ended up with was suppressing my natural testosterone. That was bad.

2) I cannot possibly have everything I need in a home gym and currently I don't have room, either where I'm at. I like visiting the gym to, well usually anyway. I like getting out and being around other people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lets pool together and build a mega gym! muhauhauh

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Globo Gym? :D

(Dodgeball movie reference)

[–]knightSwolaire0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Forget the pics of you shirtless. Can you at least post a pic of your famous 425 lb squat? I'm thinking you don't go down all the way

[–]maiway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could anyone offer a bit of guidance on what sort of maintenance is required once you've reached a body size and shape you're happy with. A lot of programs recommend 3 times a week to grow, but will I get away with 1/week to maintain? And do I need to keep the creatine to keep the gains, or can I dispense with that eventually?

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[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the coment. Yes, I really did see excellent results, which surprised me. I orginally fell into the "I guess I can't do any better" before trying it, but he's in AWESOME shape and I thought I'd take a chance.

But for beginners it is probably too much to handle. Also, I give 100% in the gym, so I was extremely dedicated and did not slack off, ever. It was really tough, and meant giving up a lot of free time (6 days a week is not always so fun!) but overall I can say I was glad I did it. Also I did not skimp on calories & nutrition, vitamins, water, etc. I basically had to go "all in" and so I wanted to get the most out of it.

I still have the e-book (.pdf).

Basically, it was a 6-week cycle that repeats once, for a total of 12 weeks in the program. With a workout for 6 of 7 days each week. The workouts change each week, and are never too close together for particular muscle groups.

For example, heavy weight days might be like this:

  • 4x6 (4 sets of 6 reps) of heavy weights:
  • 4x6 Box Squats - Barbel
  • 4x6 Sumo/Single Deadlift - DB Or Barbell
  • 4x6 ALT / Lunges - Barbell
  • 4x6 Stiff Legged Deadlift - Barbell
  • 4x6 (5.SecP) Standing Calf Raise - Machine

Volume days would be like:

(80V means 80 reps total, spread over like 6-9 sets, with a weight you find that you can do at the 1st set for about 16-20 reps):

  • V - 80 Bench Press - Dual DB
  • 3x20 Pec Fly - Machine
  • V - 80 Seated Shoulder Press - Dual DB
  • 2x30 Front Shoulder Raise - Weighted Straight Bar or Barbell
  • V - 80 Tri Ext - Ez Bar
  • 1x60 - RP Pushdowns-CableRope

...and other days for "push" and "pull" muscle groups as he grouped them, as well as "auxiliary" workouts (abs, calves, and a few other things). So it covers pretty much the most significant portions of the body. Some of the exercises were new to me (front squats, stiff leg deadlifts [excellent for a strong lower back!], standing crunches, suitcase squats, and so on).

So it's a combination of the two major styles of workout, rotating, and varied. The high-volume days increased like 80-90-100; 100V is near the 6 week cycle end, then starts back at 80 after the first 6 weeks.

Also, he introduces the idea of "rest-pause" (RP notation above). So instead of simply ending a set when you hit fatigue, take a very minor pause, enough to get out the next rep, or series of reps, then repeat until the set is complete.

That last part has helped me a lot, and allowed me to finish a set with heavier weight rather than say "I guess I need to go lower weight or stop."

Note: Some excercises (especially calves) I couldn't do the exact same one for, so I had to improvise since my gym does not have a calf raise machine.

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[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey thanks.

I wish I had been serious about working out when I was younger. I would have been further ahead in that and in self-improvement. :/

[–]mugatucrazypills0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you live in a major city ... Consider joining a gym associated with a major university as a community member.

Then get a personal trainer through them. You can get a Uni level trainer/nutritionists with a background in sports medicine/sports nutrition to design a program for you for the same money.

Suburban gyms will send the guy who was a mortgage broker realtor in 2008 home with a book for the weekend and he/she is now a "personal trainer"

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a good idea.

I have seen a few ripped trainers here and there, but by the time I got to where I am now, I had basically figured out that in the typical case people were better off getting a workout program from a reputable weight lifter or trainer, etc., and saving themselves the time and money.

Yes, I saw a few "trainers" recently in my gym (one male, and one very masculine female) using the jargon and blah blah blah when working out on their free time. Weren't even working nearly as hard as me. Very dissappointing. :/

[–]mugatucrazypills0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's enough good information out there that you don't "need" to hire a trainer at all as you say ... but if you're just getting started it can give you confidence and new perspective.

Its also a $ commitment that means you're serious about your fitness goals.

I had a good experience with these guys:

http://www.orangetheoryfitness.com/

More focus on intensity than the cross-fit dead lifting 2 tons approach popular here YMMV.

beachbody.com has decent programs streaming, but the issue is staying motivated when you're working at home alone.

Once you have a program designed for you, a good grungy 24 hour gym with free weights and bands another back to basic way to go.

My personal opinion is that extreme Cross-Fit is a fad that's more interested in showy exercise instagrams than scientific results in some cases. Some people are going to get injured before it's all over.

But just pick something and "bring it"

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, good comment.

I unfortunately see to many people being sold junk promises. It would be great if people were more educated about the difference a "real" trainer can make.

I do know 1 guy who actually is ok, out of the trainers at my gym, but he's an exception.

[–]1Ronin11A0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Has zero fitness credentials; gives extensive fitness advice on TRP.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nowhere did I claim myself to be an "expert" or anything other than a guy just offering basic advice. So, your comment isn't applicable.

That's not extensive advice. Just a few things that those beginners or possible beginners might find helpful.

I've busted my ass in the gym, learned a little bit more, and it shows. I'm here to contribute what I can, where possible.

What have you done?

LOL armchair critics are hilarious, and predictable.

[–]1Ronin11A0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What have you done?

Served in the infantry in Afghanistan, worked as a personal trainer and strength coach for two years, hold two certifications in said subjects, and wrote the second highest rated guide to lifting on TRP. Almost a year ago.

Sit the fuck down.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fine, then you should know better than to cut down other guys, right? If your idea of contributing is being a critic and giving other people a hard time, I think you might need to reevaluate your outlook.

I would expect a lot better from anyone who says they have your background.

[–]MidnightRain99 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

Gloves look cool, but in my experience you don't really need them until you're using much heavier weights, in order to save your palms.

Gloves are for pussies. Dont want calused hands even though you lift heavy? Wash your dishes by hand

Shoulder cushion

No, unless you have a bad condition in which case do hack squat...

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely disagree. The cushion is really helpful when you put a lot of weight on your back. It honestly has been a great purchase, just like in the reviews at Amazon.

If I weren't doing heavy weight, it might be ok, but that &#[email protected]* barbell hurts with 360-380lbs + the bar on your back.

I haven't used gloves yet, but the knurled metal bars where I go have really started to take a toll after dealing with heavy weight. They're ok later, but sometimes I question how this will be later.

[–]MidnightRain99 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you do high bar or low bar quat? My max squat is only 5 lbs lighter than yours, you kinda just get used to it man. If it hurts too much, the cushion works i guess. However,you are probably not training your shoulders and upper back enough.

To each their own, but I would rather spend my money on wrist wraps and wrist straps for other lifts.

Hell even a belt. You never even mentioned it.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I forgot the belt, yes I definitely use that for squats, deadlifts, and straight leg deadlifts (and in some other cases, too). I forgot a few things until afterwards.

Usually I do high bar.

You could be right about shoulders, although I had been training both upper and lower back, but I was planning on working more on shoulders anyway soon.

I did also have success using wrap-cushions, two of them, for front squats so my arms don't get damaged like before.

Thanks.

[–]MidnightRain99 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's all good,

Front squat can be a real bitch, I usually hold my arms crossed in an X.

At the end of the day it's about results and not injuring yourself.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I'm doing an 'X', but I'm new to front squats (first time was in this program I completed) and it was pretty rough. Using the thin wrap-around cushions seems a lot better than wrapping a towel around it. The knurled barbell is hard on the skin.

I agree with you totally.

[–]stawek0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Important tip when chosing gym:

Pick one where freeweights are in a room separate from cardio machines. Women in gym will distract you, destroy chat with other men and complain to management if you even look at them (because they wear that bare-belly outfit for the big guys to look at, not for some skinny scrub like you)

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where I'm at the women definitely aren't distracting basically zero there are attractive. :(

But yeah, often you need to avoid distractions, and a few times I've had to tell my friends there I need to get back to it, if they talk to much and interrupt my session.

[–]joshbeoulve0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Yo, any advice on how to handle intense sugar cravings? I've tried going cold turkey a couple of times and found myself backsliding, and then some. Would slow-and-steady work better?

[–]Project_Thor6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I worked in the Holistic Health Industry for 2 years, Any Cravings are because your body is not getting proper nutrition from what you are consuming... Your tastebuds need to adapt to new foods that will replace the cravings this can take up to 30 days. I would also look at eating some high quality fats to reduce cravings (Coconut Oil, Grassfed Butter, Ghee, Olive Oil) Other than that eat what your ancestors ate, Your welcome.

[–]joshbeoulve1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for the input! I use ghee and MCT for bulletproof coffee in the mornings but yes, I think I could use more fat.

[–]Project_Thor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

whatever feels good man, just keep in mind tastes buds adapt to what it deems as nutritious the issue is food scientists have separated satisfaction and nourishment. I never get cravings, if you do i like to take some honey(a dollop) right before bed. sleep like a baby

[–]vagbutters5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What worked for me for the longest time is just going cold turkey-- it is especially important on cuts given how few calories you must work with to get your protein in.

It sounds like anecdotal bullshit but I swear that you can feel the difference in your athletic performance once you cut the shitty foods out of your diet. Your cardio and lifts will improve, and you feel lighter most of the day, for lack of a better word.

Keep snacks out of your house, stay away from triggers (e.g. Food channel, bakeries, parties where there is great food, etc.).

Ultimately though it boils down to this: do I want to feel good for 10 seconds or do I want a body that can get me laid? Ask yourself carefully which is more important to you before you put shit in your mouth

[–]joshbeoulve2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ultimately though it boils down to this: do I want to feel good for 10 seconds or do I want a body that can get me laid? Ask yourself carefully which is more important to you before you put shit in your mouth

It really helps when things are framed in perspective this way. This was very helpful and motivating. Thanks!

[–]_the_shape_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If all else fails, or if you want to push those negative habits further away, disgust works beautifully too. Surely, you come across people with flabby, mediocre bodies (ex. dad bods, landwhales) probably on a daily basis. Ask yourself if you want to look like that. Then place your focus on their sense of discipline (lack thereof, more like it) in regard to their own bodies, what they put inside of it, how much they really must care about their general well-being, how little self-respect that communicates to, for instance, be a smoker, drink often, chug at least a gallon of some type of soda a week, guzzle burgers, fries, cheese puffs, haagen dazs etc.

After taking a good look at these people, ask yourself: do I want to be one of them?

Remind yourself of that every single time you have a craving.

Edit: look into Asian cuisine, specifically Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Korean

[–]DocForcekin2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nail on the head. I could never quite smoking, drinking, eating shit food, etc... because I would say to myself, "You shouldn't do this." I quite all of my bad habits once I started asking myself, "What is this doing for you?"

[–]theveganman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cold turkey is the best way, the cravings come from the addiction. If you are really struggling, eat some fruit.

[–]joshbeoulve-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, I'll give low-sugar fruits like banana a try.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is your fat intake too low?

If you're eating lean it's tough to feel sated. You need slower to digest calories along with all the essential fatty acids that come with them.

[–]antariusz1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

more protein and fat into your diet, your cravings for sugar are cravings for calories.

[–]Big_Daddy_PDX0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cravings require a solution for the most part. Your body is telling you something. Keep fresh fruit nearby, spread out your meals, find foods that are close but healthy substitutes to what you're craving.

[–]TheGatherHunter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do keto most of the time, but when I'm transitioning from the times I'm off keto to being on, it can be a bit rough. I might take a stick of sugar free gum or something else with artificial sweeteners just to satisfy the worst of the cravings. It's not a permanent solution, just until your body gets used to your new normal.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Intense sugar cravings here.... when I don't exercise enough. Cardio + weights fixes it.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I went through this when I first made major changes in my life. I used to drink a lot of QuikTrip gas station 32oz sodas. (stomach problems, yellow teeth, and more came along with that too).

What I have found out over time for sugar (and other things you get hooked on) is that making changes progressively is better, and you're much more likely to succeed.

I can't speak for everyone but I was slightly hooked on sugar.

So I started cutting down 1 day at a time, then eventually it was less and less-to the point where I could give it up completely.

Now that it's out of my system, I almost cannot handle the overwhelming sugar content of many drinks and sodas. Same for fried foods and other things my body is no longer conditioned too. I'm amazed to see how much sugar Americans eat and drink everyday.

No coincidence so many people here are so fat and have diabetes.

[–]cynicalsimon0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Every time I see a post about lifting and 'becoming big' I think of highly insecure men who just want to stand out. Anyone going to the gym, every single day, spending hours there has an unhealthy body imagine. There is a difference between being health and fixating like mad.

I pitty these cloud looking buff men. You can just gaze epon their lack of self esteem;its like an aura or something

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Then, every time you do that you are wrong, and it is very obvious by your post you have, ironically, more insecurity than the very same people you accuse of being that way.

I don't know any men who spend every day in the gym, for hours. That's an extreme exaggeration, and has no basis in reality. There's the norm, then there are those who can take anything to an extreme. That is clearly not the norm for nearly all men who lift weights.

The goal of my post here was to offer hard-earned advice to anyone who is considering improving themselves physically. The rewards are multiple, and it has nothing to do with "insecurity."

Men who choose to improve themselves and do so earn a great deal of self esteem.

Unlike you, I don't cut down other men; I give them positive encouragement and try to offer what I can to help.

Honestly, I pity you: so bitter, and obviously lacking in your life.

[–]cynicalsimon0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

You presume I have low self esteem with zero basis. Your claim that the men I've seen going to the gym, on an extreme basis is 'exaggerated' is blatantly an ill thought out assumption because I just told you, I see them their far too often.

There is all this hatred coming my way and all I'm doing is stating my opinion. YOU were the one to become furious with my perception...wait aren't I supposed to be the one with low self esteem..?

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm presuming anything, except that I can tell that you're internally not happy about something.

And I did not make claims about what you have seen. What I am saying is correct: the majority of gym customers are average people doing average workouts. Some like me take it very seriously, and even then, I normally was there only 3 days/week (+/-), for about 2-2.5 hrs at a time. With some exceptions.

With anything in life, a healthy balance is needed.

I'm not sending you hate, however it is annoying to see a disingenious and inaccurate comment which often provides men information and encouragement about improving their selves and their success in life. That is rare in this world.

It is very clear you are unhappy about something in you or your like and have made negative comments without any merit.

My self esteem is great. I love that I've worked hard to get in shape, I dress well, have worked on myself internally, and I receive positive attention from others. It's a far cry from how I was when I was young, which was definitely difficult. It's great to have women give me compliments. I earned it.

However, I don't cut down other men. I might call them out on something as needed, but at the same time, where worthwhile, I encourage them to do something positive.

I would suggest rather than cut others down you do some introspection and ask yourself what causes you to want to give negativity to others.

Life is short. I can tell you from personal experience that walking around with a chip on your shoulder will cost you some of the best years, and later you may regret it.

[–]cynicalsimon2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm presuming anything, except that I can tell that you're internally not happy about something.

Or I simply wanted to state my opinion and you got emotional

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you had written as if you were talking about men with body dysmorphic disorder, then I would have had a very different response.

But your first post was quite negative, and definitely painted a very incorrect picture, and was not taking issue with specific things in my post here, but with other men in general and their interest in working out.

[–]cynicalsimon0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

body dysmorphic disorder

what an out of this world guess. this is going no where and I'm going to save you more embarrassment

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know what you're talking about, dude. I was making a comparison.

No embarassment here, I honestly don't care either way.

I'm trying to talk up a 23yr old from Tinder right now, who's saying I'm attractive, thanks to putting in the effort. Life is good.

[–]cynicalsimon1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

your very much delusional. This conversation is over

[–]Alpacash-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Pretty easy: lift big, eat big. Also carb the fuck up.

The fitness community would have you believe that carbs are bad and you have to restrict them. This aversion is completely unsubstantiated and was created by the marketing of supplement companies. Carbs are great, they give you energy, strength, make your muscles full and improve your brainpower

If you are natty it's important to know what to expect. Your noob gains (first few months) should be around 10-20 lbs and after that you can expect to gain 5 lbs per year. If you gain significantly more it means you are also gaining fat and should clean up your diet.

Edit: lol at the high protein/fat crowd downvoting my comment, have fun taking preworkouts because you have no energy

[–]Project_Thor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Carb loading is important, this means eat your carbs at night. Keto is amazing.

[–]WhiteTrashKiller0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Keep in mind carb the fuck up doesn't mean eating pasta 5 days a week. The right carbs still need to be selected for a proper diet. There are so many diet plans out there that everyone can find one that fits.

For me personally, I've found keeping carbs around 65g/ day or lower(50g when cutting) when eating for maintenance is good. Boiled potatoes or rice are my go to choices, along with Brocoli(it's a vial weed), but I love it.

[–]Alpacash0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I meant getting carbs from whole sources.

[–]Swallowed_the_pill[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's okay to gain fat, just cut and every now and then. If you train to look good 100% of the time, getting up to that first solid muscle base will take forever. If you are skinny, like I was when I started lifting, just get strong and gain some fat first. Your muscles will grow fast and cutting down if you have previously been skinny is incredibly easy.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I've come to think the same too. I can watch the fat drop off if I plan my eating better and work hard in the gym.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not saying you haven't made good muscle gains, because you definitely have, but your pictures show that you're not nearly as in shape as your post made you out to be and you have no idea how to shred off body fat.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't working on slimming at the time, nor did I claim to be huge. As I recall I said something of the opposite, actually. I'm working on losing body fat now. That was not a priority at that time of the pics (few weeks ago).

I'm just a guy who wrote a post and tried to give some helpful advice.

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[–]TheDialecticParadox0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not true. I've seen plenty of gym noobs injure themselves on machines. Like those crappy seated curling machines, the smith machine, seated chest fly machine, etc.

If they have a spot, use light weight, and aren't afraid to ask for advice, then there is basically zero chance of them injuring themselves using free weights.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I hurt my shoulder once on the lateral raise machine. The machine in some ways made me more prone to injure myself.

[–]TrueMetal0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I call bullsh*t.

You start with an empty bar, and bro who shows you how to properly perform the movement.

It's like when you were a kid. You could have training wheels on your bicycle for yeeaaars without actually getting anywhere with balance.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just bodyweight exercises are good for conditioning. Like running and push ups.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, because of the points I made in my post.

I cannot find any reason to substantially use machines except for 1) specific movements/muscle group focus, 2) supplementing free weight workouts, etc.

Free weight use is not more advanced, because you simply can begin at a very reasonable, and manageable level, and build your way up.

You absolutely must have more muscle groups involved if you want to handle heavier weight and be stable when performing more serious, heavier free weight workouts. Machine use deprives you of involving the other muscle groups needed.

[–]sadbasturd99-4 points-3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What a load of complete shit lol. Wow.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

No, not at all. If you have specific points to disagree with, feel free.

But results don't equal "complete shit."

[–]sadbasturd99-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Stop selling this shit to young people. I dont know why you are doing it, attention validation whatever. But just stop it.

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And yet again you have not shown me what is "shit." I'm here to contribute my $.02 and hopefully give other men a shot at doing things I've learned the hard way. I'm not selling anything, nor do I profit in any way from giving up my time and effort in writing the post.

I'm not bragging (as I made clear), nor do I pretend to have all the answers. I'm simply offering things I've earned the right to share with others, via a LOT of hard work.

What are you here for?

If you don't want to see other men succeed, and you're angry and bitter inside, just be honest about it.

Insulting people who try to benefit others is a bitch move, and you'll not accomplish anything.

You're in the wrong Reddit sub, I'm sure.

[–]sadbasturd99-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just told you not to sell young men on the internet your shit. So you set up a straw man and say I don't want to see men succeed and I am angry and btter. That is a little fucking bitch move. Dont try to sell yourself ass successful. Dont try to attack me because you are full of shit. Stop selling your shit and shut your miserable stupid fucking mouth (fingers).

[–]TryDoingSomethingNew[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You still have not told me what "shit" specifically you are getting upset about. Your comments therefore have no validity.

I'm just a guy who made a post about advice for guys who want to work out. It's free. Nothing here to sell, persuade, except for others to take what they find useful and use it as they see fit.

Again, I ask you, what are you contributing? crickets

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