Incels got banned. What does that mean for TRP?

November 8, 2017

The Incels sub just got banned in the last hours. Yes it was a despicable place, home of losers, whiners, pathetic defeatists, but I think the down of their sub might be bad for us. Why?

First, we occasionally see some incels posting on AskTRP. Ok, we can live with that, but now, without their home sub, some of them might try to migrate here for refuge and start poisoning the subs with their ridiculousness. More than just lowering the overall quality of the posts, this kinds of posts, if too frequent, may bring even more bad attention to us.

Second, is just that: attention. Incels was a decoy for us. The BP'd manipulated man and the average reddit feminist see us as almost the same as them, at least on the "hatred towards women" and misogyny stuff. And without that sub around, their censorship desires might converge in our direction. I've already seen one or two posts on some BP'd subs about "this is the time to take TRP down". I'm sure that there is more than a few redditors around that would be more than pleased to wipe us out.

What do you think?

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Title Incels got banned. What does that mean for TRP?
Author TheDreadnought1
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Date November 8, 2017 2:54 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]redpillschool[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (11 children) | Copy Link

As a side note, if we do get banned, backup forums are here:

[–]anon2777619 points620 points  (216 children) | Copy Link

i felt bad for them, i always tried to offer them advice, but it is a very self defeating place. i think the ones that come here will be better off for it, and this sub should be fine so long as we continue following the same rules for posting as we always have

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 147 points148 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

There are two types of incels, the ones that are just sad about it and still have a spark of hope, and the ones that are just in too deep to see anything besides their suffering and the injustice they've seen.

The first ones are welcome here, and they probably can use this sub content to improve. The second ones are just outright toxic. For them I think the sub shouldn't be banned, because at least there they were easily seen and controlled. Among this group are the ones that are potentially dangerous

[–]commander_zoidberg40 points41 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have advised some of my younger incel brethren to head to TRP. Ones who are still in what i call "cope" i was in that phase from 14-17 hard and had a mini breakdown at 23 when i couldn't reconcile these two philosophies and saw how things really were and became black pilled. Sufficed to say that wherever we make our home i will continue to do that to ones i think may have a chance.

[–]Throwawayzzz75336 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I bet half the subscribers in there were Russian bots just egging people on to go on mass shootings

[–]HopeisHere524 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

never thought I’d read this sentence and not be skeptical about

[–]Rathadin8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

too deep to see anything besides their suffering and the injustice they've seen.

I find your word choice intriguing, and I wonder if you're speaking from their point of view, or if you actually feel that way yourself.

I don't consider anything about human mating and sexual selection an injustice. Its not an injustice when a female mantis eats her mate - its nature. Its the natural order of things. Its not injustice when the weaker lion dies off and the stronger lion takes his place.

I see everything about human mating in the same light. I used to feel pity for incels, but that pity turned to loathing. Now I feel indifference, which for some is arguably worse. Frankly I'll be glad if they die off. I do, of course, mean literally. We've developed a world that can be almost an inverse of nature - instead of the fastest, smartest, and strongest having sexual rights to the largest selection of women, our weakest and most worthless, who, depending upon the time period, either died in the hunt or on the battlefield, can now manage to pass their shitty genes on to the next generation.

The incels are dangerous, as you put it, because any being will fight its own extinction, and ultimately that's what they're doing. At the end of the day, if you can't pass your genes onto the next generation because you can't attract a mate, you're useless to the species. This turns them bitter, which exacerbates into mental illness, or if they're already mentally ill, just compounds the problem further (Elliot Rodger).

[–]antigenocide16 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure but it wouldn't be a problem if the most talented, successful, healthiest men were actually having the most children. Then, the losers who manage to have only 1-2 kids would get genetically drowned out in the overall gene pool.

Do you see that around you? I don't. I see the best of the best men cuckolding themselves with birth control while losers go around having 10 kids on welfare.

Prepare for idiocracy.

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you, as a man that really likes to study biology, psychology, evolution, etc. But no, I don't feel that way myself. Of course occasionally the "unfairness" gets to me, but I've come to understand it. Who said the world was fair, after all?

I understand your point of view of natural selection, but that eugenics you're advocating is seriously disturbing. If our species went so far to the point that even the weak ones can survive and have a chance to disseminate their genes, so far to the point that we've in a large portion, substituted the natural selection for our own artificial selection, that's awesome. That means we indeed went a million times further than any other known species. Wanting "the weak to die, literally" is just plain psychopathic.

[–]Rathadin1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

but that eugenics you're advocating is seriously disturbing

Actually I think it'll be the only way the species advances. Eugenics 1.0 got it pretty hilariously wrong, but Eugenics 2.0 will emerge in the future, its only a matter of time. Consider this... 20 years ago when Charles Murray wrote The Bell Curve, we had identified around 100 genes that contributed to intelligence. Today we've identified over 1000, and continue to refine the process. One would have to be utterly insane to think future couples with the resources won't utilize CRISPR Cas9 to refine their child's genetics. And if its made illegal, it'll just end up happening in expensive private clinics in other nations anyway. In fact, I find it hard to believe that scientists in some nations aren't working on this right now.

Wanting "the weak to die, literally" is just plain psychopathic.

You may consider it morally wrong, but no, its not psychopathic (I thought you said you like to study psychology... you should know better!). I also want murderers, child rapists, etc. to die.

I just don't see any way around the human race not eliminating the weakest members eventually, either thanks to the feminists of the 1970s, by pushing for "women in the workplace" and "burning their bras", or either through selective gene editing to remove some, most, or all genetic disadvantages. The first method was just sexual engineering on a cultural / population-based scale, and the second will just be the more refined version of the process utilized by well-to-do future parents. After all, if you can design a 6' 4" athletic genius with no genetic diseases, 1) why wouldn't you? and 2) that's a natural draw for most women - lesser men will die out by default.

Maybe I'm wrong in my thinking here, but I just don't see how this isn't the next step for the species.

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Genetic engineering is a whole world away from just plain desiring the weak to die. It's the difference between a scientist working to improve our species and goddamn uncle Adolph. That I can understand, agree and accept that it is the next step in our evolution.

Yes, we can and will in some decades design and create better, stronger, smarter humans, but again, that doesn't mean plain executing the weak. And I'm pretty sure that with high level genetic engineering and a few generations in between them, even a weak, pathetic, dumb, ill man can be the antecessor to a strong, smart dominant Chad.

I believe the resistance to it will come most by religions, but that eventually will fade out. Just like everything else the religions tried to stop, one day it'll just overcome them.

[–]Rathadin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that doesn't mean plain executing the weak.

I never said I want to "execute" anyone. I just don't care if they die.

[–]nomyconcept 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I think that some guys really have though luck in the sexual market place. I felt sorry for those whose mating chances were approaching zero by little to no fault of their own.

Telling a guy(that has virtually no chin, is balding at 20, is small and has terrible acne) to lift hard and be confident just feels cruel. Sure he can become better and strive to be a fulfilled person but for most of his life he will literally be involuntarily celibate. If you are at the bottom and every girl wants to date upwards you can't even get a bottom rank girl.

I don't feel bad for the guys who have all the potential but are wasting it due to their victim mindset.

[–]c_megalodon2552 points53 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But their mentality was bullshit and they clung to the idea that personality doesn’t matter at all. I’ve seen some fucking ugly men happily holding hands with their fucking ugly wives while their kids are running around. Despite how they looked, I bet they were nice to their wives and chose happiness and companionship with an ugly woman over self hatred.

[–]LordStoffelstein30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Shit I've seen ugly dudes with smoking women on their arm. One of the foreman at my shop is like that. Has to keep his hair real short, because it looks like shit (his words, and they're true) he is pretty fat. Has stretchmarks everywhere. Got busted in his forehead with a crowbar, has a little dent in his forehead. He's funny though, brings home the bacon, and he's strong. His ole lady is pretty hot. I don't know how he did it. I see it more than just with him though. You can be an ugly man and still be ok, get a good job.. be successful. The women will come.

[–]wanderer77917 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My opinion from years of watching is that personality is the real limiting factor. Guys who have balls to approach and frame to brush off rejection will usually do alright. And I suspect a lot of what we call personality hinges on adequate testosterone. The other hang up is disorders like autism that make it hard to socialize.

Other things like height and looks aren't as important. Height and looks alone won't get you far unless you are top 5% where women do the escalating for you.

[–]antigenocide12 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. Women can smell low testosterone and autism from a mile away. They will reject actual millionaires if they detect these traits.

Remember, the vagina is seeking out genes with the potential for success, not necessarily success itself.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just today I saw what you would consider an "incel", by any means.

He was short, fat, balding and had a fat ugly face. He didn't seem to be lifting. But he was going hand in hand with a smoking hot and feminine blond from my office, they're married.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good example of a beta bux, init.

[–]king-of-the-jungle 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Seems like there are already plenty of incels here, if you look at the most up-voted content a good chunk of it is clearly appealing to those at square 1, and alot of them probably have either been there a long time or likely aren't going to get very far. Hate to be so negative but its pretty clear based on some of the shit we see here

[–]Hltchens46 points47 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

No offense to them but some of them are beyond ugly and will never get laid without pay regardless of attitude.

Like, deformed by a bad accident as a child to be a grotesque ghoul who will never get laid kind of bad.

[–]anon277756 points57 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

they still deserve help if they want it. if a terribly ugly person wants self improvement advice i see no reason they shouldnt be welcome here

[–]Hltchens21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And you’re totally right my man. I was just speaking to some of their legitimate capability to get laid.

And I’m also not saying the Marine is “in-celibate”, I was more picking him for his face, and the convenient story about his wife ditching him. Frankly it should be a RP classic warning story. Guy’s a national hero, has guaranteed money for life, has their wedding declared a holiday, fucking talked personally to, and earned the respect of the president of the most powerful nation on earth; every men of which he has earned the respect of as well, and so we see presented clear as day, that the respect of men is valueless to women. They don’t want it, need it, or care if you have it. They only care if their gfs want to fuck him.

This man had disability money for the rest of his life, he’s set financially. Some planning and good growth on mild risk investments and that disability check turns into a million dollar retirement income later on. There’s not a single bar he would walk in to whrre he’d have to buy his own drinks. He has the respect of every man, and what is that worth to her? Nothing if she can’t also claim the true bounty of marrying a ript marine: being the envy of all her friends. She knows in her head that literally none of her friends are going, “man I wish I was fucking him and not that bitch” “I wish I had her life”. And because of this, his life didn’t have enough value to her.

She probably went out and rode he CC all around the closest marine base.

Too bad Tyler isn’t browsing these boards, or if he is, S/O brother.

[–]anon27776 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you're right, some people really are involuntarily celibate, it's a shame a couple assholes ruined the place they could go to talk about it

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being horrifically ugly makes spending your time in a place like that an even worse decision.

[–]washington_breadstix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well they could always fuck horribly disfigured women, right? I mean, that's still sex/intimacy.

It seems the "I can't get sex" statement should always be qualified by adding "... from the type of person I want it from." Which is frustrating for sure, but still. I've seen severely crippled women on Tinder. You've always got some kind of option for PiV no matter how deep into inceldom you are, especially if you're willing to pay.

[–]Run_Che0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You really think that a beyond ugly guy that lifts, dresses well and has a good career couldn't get laid?

[–]chauncy_popperstein167 points168 points  (162 children) | Copy Link

I don't feel bad for them at all. When good advice is offered they reject it outright, without even trying to digest it.

They make excuses and whine.

[–][deleted] 324 points325 points  (139 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes you need to have sympathy for other people and put yourself in their shoes. The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

I know an incel-type guy who is 4’11. An adult male who is 59 inches tall, or 150 cm for you Brits. Can you imagine how fucked it would be from a dating perspective to be half a foot shorter than the average woman? He got himself a vasectomy at age 21 knowing he could never put a child through the same romantic and social rejection that he suffered through all his life. Try to put yourself in that guys shoes and think of how hard it would be to muster any confidence knowing there’s an exceedingly high chance you get shot down no matter how hard you try.

Obviously the rape apologism and sexual violence is unacceptable, but its not always black and white with individual circumstances. I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive, they could be doing far worse with their spare time.

[–]Aarxnw65 points66 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, that is the second saddest thing I've read today (in a sympathetic way), honestly I was thinking about it the other day and I just had to count myself lucky that for all of my flaws, I'm still tall, athletic, and don't have any physical defects.

I don't know how short guys deal with it, but to those who don't let it dictate their lives (and even those who do but try not to), I've gotta say, you've got my full respect. Height of a man is to women what boobs+bum+build of a woman is to men.

[–]Gravexmind17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sometimes it’s rough. Can’t be tall, so I️ make sure my back is wide. Confidence and humor also help.

[–]Aarxnw6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A thicc asf back always helps! I'm glad you can manage to offset it with confidence and humour, they are two of a man's most powerful tools, good on you for utilising them.

[–]DPestWork7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A chick who still has none of these attributes in my book can still get laid every night of the week though. Having a couple of decent, short, guy friends was one of many things that got me thinking along multiple RP philosophies. Women we weren't even talking to would go out of their way to harass him in the cruelest ways for being short. Brutal Thunder-Cunts!

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know how short guys deal with it

eventually we have to embrace the angry short man syndrome stereotype. Anger is actually a good emotion in the right doses

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It goes the other way, too. Look at how hideous many radical feminists are. Busted face, oddly proportioned body, etc. It's sad and unfair, really. No matter how much these women do to improve themselves, they will never ever get the attention that hot women do, and it's all because the hot women hit the gene pool lottery - that's all there is to it.

From that perspective, I think TRPers and radical feminists actually have something in common - anger at things for being the way they are, and the search to try to find happiness after realizing harsh truths.

[–]telluwhut[🍰] 25 points26 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The badly proportioned body is almost always just too much fat. Diet and exercise solves it. Busted face is a little harder, but some work put into makeup, hairstyle, clothing, and jewellery goes a long way. I've seen it make a night and day difference.

I think they're in a really different situation than a short man. There's other things a short man can become in order to compensate in other areas for being short, but you can't really attack that problem head on.

[–]hawkeaglejesus1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can be a tall ass guy with weak frame or a manlet with iron frame.

That's what makes the difference

[–]telluwhut[🍰] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or you can be tall with frame or short without it. What of it? Fact is, women about height ... a lot. Being short is not an insurmountable disadvantage, but it is a disadvantage. The fact that a short guy can have "iron frame" doesn't mean that a tall guy wouldn't have done better.

My comment was not that short guys don't get laid; it was that short guys can never directly address this problem -- they can't become taller. They can only indirectly compensate in other ways. I'm contrasting this to the situation with unattractiveness in women, which is (generalizing) a much more tractable problem.

P.S. Is shitty fictional TV show writing supposed to be evidence of anything?

[–]g11140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that Sex and the City is girl power and a comedy for them, but I'm perplexed how a dude uses that video to prove dating success for a short guy. She tries to ditch him the whole time, and still leaves him after 2 weeks.

His script lines are also way smoother than I'll ever be, so best case for you short guys is you might get to bang a girl for 2 weeks.

[–]cashmoney_x0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you ever link that garbage again I'll find you and I things.

[–]MattyAnon82 points83 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

The problem is they object to doing anything. Incel becomes self defining.... and then it's all women's fault and it's all Chad's fault, even though they're (in both cases) just maximising their life.

Many are not involuntarily incel at all, they are celibate due to too high standards or lack of effort to fix themselves.

They post replies like "There's no point losing weight because I'm incel so if I wasn't fat I'd just be a slimmer incel". Same logic applies to everything.

Obviously the rape apologism and sexual violence is unacceptable,

How much of that is there though?

[–]illisit28 points29 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They're mostly just venting on the internet though, the last place they can.

[–]nrokchi11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What makes them terrible is their unwilling to sacrifice to move themselves ahead. Like /u/MattAnon said: "it's all women's fault". They vent without drive to change the outcome next time. They've chosen something that is comfortable in the now over giving up that comfort now for something better later.

That, in essence, is the difference between unsuccessful TRP neophytes and Incel.

[–]illisit24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Like I said in another comment, these people are suffering depression and anxiety. Advice to people suffering those things often useless because they are at a point in time where they actively don't want to improve, they don't have the energy to care for that or anything else. I don't know what the answer is but I still feel compassion for these people no matter how pathetic and you should too.

[–]nrokchi21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Good place to be and I think you're touching on a hallmark of this sub here: compassion. As often as discussion here is about the self and willingness to best other men, most of us intrinsically understand that this is a shared struggle and through community (and enjoyment of competition) we can thrive.

As a mental health professional, I can say that with significant life struggles, depression can set in, but there are often predisposing factors. It's close to the chicken-egg argument.

I think now is a great time to emphasize writing as a way of digging yourself out, always focusing on what is, what is bad, what better looks like, and also what worse looks like. That will do wonders for anyone.

[–]spawnend1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even when guys here give it to you as it is without sugarcoating.. you can feel the love behind the statement because they understand your struggles.

Makes my blood boil seeing what society thinks of this sub , but what can you do? Endure and persist :)

[–]nrokchi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be honest, though: you could cherry pick a few posts out of this subreddit that would still make you blush. No person is perfect and most of the outcry against this sub and our way of approaching the world is weighed against some kid's expectation of us being perfect. The outcry articles against our point of view are rarely written by someone who is older than 25, and if they are, they are some male feminist type who thinks that sexual strategy will get him laid (and too often turns him into the sexual assaulter).

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What makes them terrible is their unwilling to sacrifice to move themselves ahead. Like /u/MattAnon said: "it's all women's fault"

Yeah. They are a special breed. I was "incel" or shall I say sexless as well for a long stretch before TRP. But I was aware it was my fault so no need to rant about women.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation.

Incels have existed from the beginning.

There will always be someone at the bottom. Period. On average only 20℅ of men generation can be called fathers. 90℅ of women are mothers, obviously paternity isn't an issue for a woman. They know they're the mothers.

Inceldom is literally hypergamy at work.

[–]MattyAnon13 points14 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Inceldom is literally hypergamy at work


The issue is specifically the whining hating nature of it. Some of them have been given a bad hand by nature, and that sucks. I get that.

But the pointless fucking whining self-defeatist hatred from that place was insane.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Make no mistake, I agree!

The issue is not why they were silenced, but that they were silenced at all!

Who's watching the watchman?

[–]MattyAnon30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


Who's watching the watchman?

Well, Reddit is a privately owned organisation. It's not owned by anyone, and has no obligation to be fair or reasonable. So noone is watching the watchers.

The problem with TRP is that the majority of people are against us. Most women and most men. That we speak the truth isn't a defence because speaking the truth is the actual problem. Women want their dualistic sexual strategy kept very quiet thankyouverymuch. Many... perhaps most men want to believe in (or are invested in) the Disney Blue Pill dream. "Your wife is fucking Chad and you could be banging more women too if you weren't married" is NOT what they want to hear.

It's why the attacks on us are never about what we actually say. We're attacked because we're a threat, not because we lie, so they never say "those guys are saying women fuck Chad for free and then marry billy beta, those damned oversexed virgins!"

Instead they attack us for what they wish we were saying - something to make us look bad. It's a shit test, akin to women calling hot guys assholes.

[–]saibot8310 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They're also trying to shut down the The Donald sub as well. So far it stays up but they definitely suppress it somehow. I'm subscribed but NO posts from there ever reach my frontpage. I have to specifically do a search for it every time I want to read posts from there. The Reddit company is biased as hell. Leading up to the election there were endless Hill shill posts frontpaging daily. Oh and exclusively Trump smear posts all day every day.

[–]warsie6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

T_D comes up on my frontpage

[–]LiveAFTSOV2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I feel like a good hand of the incels were normal dudes who voice their insecurities on a board meant for whinning so it could be seen and validated by others, and once they vented they went back to being normal

[–]alecesne2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are entire religious traditions that create utility and validation for celibate men. Also, in the past, if you really couldn't get laid, you'd go to war, and either die, get rich, for find someone in another society to... well, its what soldiers still do today when no one is looking.

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where are you getting that 20% figure? I have read studies that claimed around 50%.

[–]BreakingRed_9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The problem is they object to doing anything. Incel becomes self defining

If you think about it, that's "learned helplessness" in a nutshell. You identify with your life situation so hard that it became a part of your identity (who you are).

Best case scenario: You're aware of it and you're constantly trying to make things work.

Worst case scenario: You're not aware of your own bullshit and you keep avoiding personal responsibility because blaming anything else feels better for your psyche. Which is also part of why religion has some appeal.

[–]mp1119 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I gave advice to an incel recently without realizing it (until being called a “normie”). Checked the sub for the first time and saw 2 posts outright condoning rape. Shit was a weird ass place.

[–]Atticus_Crowley3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, honestly any place that has THAT kind of environment should be banned imo.

[–]goatwithbeergoggles2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Most of the opponents would say that TRP also condones rape.

[–]Atticus_Crowley2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the thing that did incels in was recently there was a post there that was basically asking how to get away with rape. While some guys here are stuck hard in their anger phase and say some....questionable things, I feel they would be hard pressed to find anything that bad on this sub.

Closest thing it gets to condoning rape around here is that we acknowledge that women have a yearning to be taken by a man. But that's not really news or controversial, you can find that info in any cosmo magazine that talks about popular female sex fantasies.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

most of the opponents dont clearly understand TRP

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

// , OR they do understand TRP, and know how to raise the ire of the public

Keywords, my friend, keywords

[–]party_next_door7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What he expects and what he offers are spectrums apart (that's how I see it).

[–]refusewool7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just FYI Brits refer to height in feet/inches, not cm.

[–]UltraCarnivore9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

5'3 here, with a 5'11 plate. Hard, but doable.

[–]BaboonBukkake2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's your facial aesthetic like?

[–]UltraCarnivore2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a Monster, nor a Doctor.

[–]vwzwv4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's easier to work on yourself and make others want to be like you than it is to grasp how others backed themselves into a corner and devout to fixing them. It's just one more reason to work on yourself. Advise them only to the degree that you hold value to them. If you decide to work on them you aren't working on yourself. Counselors don't lift. In the end people's problems become counselors' monthly paychecks. Incels feel fucked because at best they imagine reaching the value they put on their counselor? I wouldn't want to live either.

[–]pugchi3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a guy that short. He has a wife and a kid. Im 5'8. whenever i talk to this guy, i feel like we are eye level or he is towering over me. Other people know the same feeling. But the guy is short. He has a friendly and assertive attitude.

[–]pmmedenver3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

1/3 of the population is either pre-diabetic or already has diabetes, and this guy is complaining about being a foot too short? Literally all you have to do is not have a chronic disease and you have 1/2 the population beat. And as for height? Look at Kevin Hart, dude is killing it. No excuses.

[–]Metalgear22231 points32 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

The classic advice of going to the gym, getting a hobby, dressing well doesn’t necessarily apply to everyone.

How? How does it not apply to everyone? You don't fucking do that to get laid. You do it to become a better person. Why have sympathy for guys defining their life by emotional females? Sure being taller is better, but as men it's never the fucking answer to curl into a fetal position and give up on everything.

I know of a 4'11 guy named "shorty" he owns his own business, multi-millionaire, and is one of the funniest motherfuckers I've ever met. He's super confident and gets laid on the regular.

I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive, they could be doing far worse with their spare time.

Complete BS. As men we shouldn't be bitching about the things we can't change we should be focusing on the things we can. To indulge in their victim-mentality only further perpetuates their failure. They need to be told the truth; dig themselves the fuck out. There's always improvement and work to be done.

[–]Popeman7940 points41 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree, this is the real problem with incels. They give up.

Men don't give up, actually one of the good things with women is that they make men compete and we become better. Although TRP teaches sexual strategy, it also teaches that we should strive to improve for ourselves, not for women.

Even if no woman was to be genuinely attracted to me ever again, I would still strive to be the best I can be. Because that's the best way to live. Also, there are many ways to be happy without the genuine female attraction.

[–]Metalgear22226 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, well said. I've said it before that the people that are successful on TRP come here for pussy and leave hardly caring for it. Instead, they pivot their values to support their dreams and aspirations and go for them relentlessly.

[–]Popeman7923 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

people that are successful on TRP come here for pussy and leave hardly caring for it

This. When you can get pussy easily (which happens if you swallow the pill), you stop worrying about it and it becomes one thing you could do among many.

Should I go play pick-up bball with my buddies? Should I work on my novel/music/motorcycle? Should I get laid? Should I hit the gym?

So many fun things to do!

[–]Metalgear22212 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will say that the peace of mind knowing you can get pussy whenever you want is pretty fucking awesome. But I completely agree. More of the time I find myself wanting to do things with my buddies or pick up new hobbies. Following TRP is a form of a freedom. The Matrix really is a perfect metaphor for it. Using my eyes for the first time in the REAL world.

[–]EvigSoeger4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly this. They don't just give up on self-improvement though. They give up on existing so frequently that they even have a term for it (LDAR.)

[–]nrokchi4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you distill it down, what is being asked of people when the classic advise is proposed is will you sacrifice?. That is the honest core to this advise. Even if you aren't sacrificing time to improve physique, you can apply this principle in a different manner.

Here's my argument for venting: venting shows you care. Take that energy and reappply it to the real problem and you'll start to find success.

[–]MysterManager4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What about Danny Devito where would he be if he had such a defeatist attitude or Steve Buscemi. If you have confidence and stay positive it can prove to resounding success. Peter Dinklage is a literal dwarf and he is more successful and has probably pulled more trim than many Chad Thundercocks.

[–]BaboonBukkake0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being a celebrity is on an entirely different fucking planet of its own. It's irrelevant.

[–]MysterManager3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They weren’t born celebrities though; they had to go out into the world unattractive and build talent and relationships to get to that point. Which is a world easier if you look like Brad Pitt than Steve Buscime.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

multimillionaire ... this makes the rest of your post irrelevant

[–]telluwhut[🍰] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not true. I'm a multimillionaire. It makes life a little easier in some respects, but doesn't really help that much with women. It's not a magical panty moisturizer. I still have all the same troubles everybody else here does.

Edit: also, millionaire doesn't mean what it used to mean due to inflation. What was $1 million in 1960 is worth about $8 million today. Being a millionaire used to really mean something. Now it just means you don't have to eat cat food in retirement.

[–]Metalgear2223 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Ok ignore all the other points I touched on.

Are you suggesting that your incel buddy is incapable of starting his own business and becoming successful because of his height?

Is he incapable of becoming jacked/maxing out his genetics?

Is he incapable of becoming confident through practice and self improvement?

What exactly are you getting at?

[–]goat_of_departure13 points14 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

He’s extremely unlikely to succeed at most of those things due to his genetics, yes. As observed in countless studies over and over. Heightism is one of the last socially encouraged prejudices in our society and it’s not hard to imagine how devastating it would be for a fucking 4’11” guy, if you have at least two brain cells to rub together.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , My goal is to become a multimillionaire, and I like to observe their habits

[–]UEMcGill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too. I know a guy who's that short and he's a beast. He can squat a fuck ton and smoke everyone at Murph. He gives no fucks and is married to a doctor who's like 5'11".

There's a pot for every kettle.

[–]TheDeadlyZebra2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He could just move to Vietnam where the women are about that height, possibly many that are less than 5 foot.

[–]chauncy_popperstein7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It comes from year of giving them advice and them doing nothing but make excuses. My stance is this:

"If you are not willing to try, then STFU."

I will save my empathy for those that are deserving of it.

[–]HopeFarmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just to be clear, you are telling me to check my privilege?

I think such people need a place to vent even if it’s not healthy or productive

No, that is the opposite of what they need. Venting or complaining about one's lot in any form is never the answer. There's no value in blind sympathy with people who "need to vent." When you tolerate people venting about being ugly or short or poor or whatever, you are encouraging them to slip deeper into delusional defeatism. There may be a subreddit full of depressed people complaining that they weren't born as dogs, but no sane person would call for me to "sympathize" with those people. It is essentially the same. Whether somebody is upset that he’s not handsome or that he’s not a dog, he is still just whining that the universe is what it is. SJWs use this same reasoning to coerce society into compliance with their insane and internally inconsistent ideologies. You are a SJW for incels.

What we should feel is gratitude for what we do have. Suppose I’m ugly and 4’11’’. I am still alive. I can still appreciate beauty, push myself to learn and grow stronger, and invent new things to improve my world. Maybe I physiologically cannot have sex; maybe it’s hard for me to get sex. So what? That’s just part of what life is, a law of nature. Insofar as these are certainties, I must accept them and invest my energy in what is possible. Of course, if I am just short and ugly these are not certainties. I can improve my life, develop charisma and start hitting the gym. Maybe you'd say no woman will “truly love” me in the same way as a 6’2’’ Chad. What the fuck does that mean? Why should the volatile emotions in somebody else’s head give my life meaning? Chad doesn’t know how those women feel either, and he certainly shouldn’t care. Maybe you'd say I will automatically feel insecure because it is hard for me to get laid. That's absurd. There are plenty of confident people and insecure bitches with all kinds of advantages and disadvantages.

The thing that makes these people insecure is the fact that they can’t stop ruminating and complaining about their specific half-imaginary disadvantages. If they would just focus on what advantages they do have and start living their lives they would learn that every day is full of opportunities to experience things no one has ever experienced before and redefine what is considered possible. They will probably even start getting laid if they make that their mission. Instead they are just posting whiny bullshit on the Internet about how they’re too lazy to pursue a mission.

[–]reecewagner1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try to put yourself in that guys shoes and think of how hard it would be to muster any confidence knowing there’s an exceedingly high chance you get shot down no matter how hard you try.

Then tell him to put himself in this guy's shoes and get off his ass anyways

[–]yodawg321 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We use imperial for height

[–]MuhTriggersGuise7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But metric for penis length. 2.54 cm/inch! Fuck yeah! Double digits!!

[–]chinawinsworlds5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Use metric for everything. Just as lifting and reading is recommended as it makes you a better version for yourself, using the metric system will make you better. Just do it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

If he got a high paying job he could easily have sex.

[–]Oxiboy83 points84 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Having sex is one thing.

Having a woman who really enjoy having sex and being with you is another. Ugly short guys will almost never get that. Thats where the rage comes from.

[–]qwertpoi35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also, the advice of "buck up bro, if you get a high-paying job you'll get women to have sex with you!" is definitely not very encouraging.

First the difficulty of acquiring such a job, second the knowledge that you'll never get women on your looks or personality...

[–]t12totalxyzb004 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the depressing part, and a big reason I, someone that never experienced love or anything similar ( I'm working on it but..) Was crying.

Its so disheartening.

[–]newls13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why men want sex. It's not the sex. It's that someone wants to do sex with you.

[–]qwertybo_2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you never heard of a midget before? They fuck all the time. This isn’t a case of being not good or normal enough. It’s a case of mental illness.

[–]Lefort300010 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying that midgets are just as sexually attractive as normal sized men, if not more. That's ridiculous.

[–]chauncy_popperstein18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup, Peter Dinklage gets sex. Why? Because he is at the top of his craft/field. Status gets women.

[–]qwertybo_3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re right. Peter Dinklage is the only midget. Fuckin beta.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good post but we measure height in feet and inches ;-)

[–]SolidMindInLalaLand0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ummm my brother in law is that same height and married someone who is 6’1 so no, I don’t see that point. The guy you are talking about had a vasectomy wayyy too young and decided his own future before it was made. Sure that’s not the normal story but just because your short doesn’t mean the world is cut off to you, that’s bullshit. If you want something from this world you have to have dedication and the willpower to take it when it arrives. I know plenty of short guys that get girls and not just short girls. You need charisma and all that of course but I won’t listen to someone that says being below average height is such a major handicap that why would they even try to date or find someone. The problem is people today don’t know how to weather storms. They get knocked down once and think that’s it. They get in one fight and want to stab the person who beat them up. It’s an entire mind fuck of a society who can’t roll with the punches that life delivers. Being ugly in the face is the only one thing I will consider being a crutch besides a crippling disease or deformity, that is truly a drawing the short straw on life but if you are a decent looking person or average looking you are only holding yourself back with that attitude.

I know society is fucked up these days and Americanized women tend to be superficial but maybe that means you need to look in some of the corners of the world and do some deeper searching to find what you want. People have such tunnel vision these days and can’t/won’t bounce back from a failure.

[–]daringdeviljackass0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I met a guy last night at a bar, like 170 tall (I'm 190 and all men in the area are huns at 185-195). on top of it he was bald, but dude had his shit together, very sociable, positive mindset and coupd definetly score girls.

[–]Kommanderdude0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude there was always Mexican women. Half those bitches are like 4’1 tops. He sounds like a total loser that should quietly self terminate somewhere.

[–]alecesne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's about leverage and drive. I'm 5'4" and always took shit for it in the U.S.. I went to study in China years ago. In places like Guilin in the south, the average for men is about my height. It was honestly mindblowing to realize that for some guys, that advantage was available every day. BUT, the point is, there's always an angle.

There are dwarves who have wives and children, so being short isn't an excuse. Last night my wife was watching a show about a dude who was a little over 1 meter tall. His wife didn't want a second child because there was a 50% chance it would be a dwarf like the first child. And she was a fairly good looking woman. He was a singer in a bar (it was a Chinese TV show). Handsome guy, good personality, just really short. I mean, think of how much action Peter Dinkladge (actor playing Tyrion Lannister) from the average lady. Probably up to his ears-

[–]illisit9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those people are affecting from depression, don't be too hard on them. I'd say most of them don't even see a possible light at the end of the tunnel at this point, that sort of depression is hard to pull yourself up out of.

[–]K_J_K0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

By that same token you can call bluepilled men incels. I wouldn't say BP == Incel, but there are definitely similarities.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP-2 points-1 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

What good advice?

I've never seen any good advice aimed at incels besides lifting.

[–]chauncy_popperstein31 points32 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The advice I give is:

  1. Stop bitching, it is self defeating
  2. Get healthy (lifting is only part of that)
  3. Become interesting (get hobbies/friends)
  4. Stop treating women like they have something you NEED
  5. Stop bitching
  6. Every day is a chance to improve yourself TAKE IT!
  7. Unless you are willing to WORK HARD for it, nothing will change.
  8. Stop bitching
  9. Your low self esteem bleeds into other aspects of your life. And women are turned off by this weakness. Get your head right.
  10. Stop bitching. INCEL is misleading because it implies you don't have a choice. You do.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough. The reality is that some of them are not salvageable, just because of their innate qualities.

Have you yourself overcome being ugly?

[–]Sir_Distic0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are salvageable. They don't want to put in the work because it's hard.

[–]chauncy_popperstein0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Not sure what you are asking. But I make myself attractive. I workout, I eat right, and I have a positive happy attitude/outlook.

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Ugly in the face. I'm genuinely looking for guys that went through what I'm going through myself.

If there was more facially unattractive, short guys giving advice to the incels, there would be less of them.

[–]weiguk7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Think of 2 versions of a facially unattractive short guy:

  • fat, unhealthy skin, shitty style, slob, smells like shit, no friends, no hobbies, defeatist attitude ...

  • muscular, fit, well dressed, friends, hobbies, outgoing ...

Which one of those guys will have a better chance with any random woman? Sure, neither guy will have the success of someone who hit the genetic jackpot, but life isn't fair. And with enough effort they can surpass "normal" guys, who don't put in enough effort. They never reach top 5%, but top 20%? Definitely possible.

[–]chauncy_popperstein1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Unless you have a deformity then getting into shape will make your face more attractive. Healthier skin, no "chubby cheeks", no double chin stuff. Your jaw will become more defined etc....

[–]185poundsofhatredWIP3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You didn't really answer my question, but fine. I'm cutting, hoping to get rid of my baby face.

[–]commander_zoidberg3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to "just lift brah" its "stop bitching brah" "lift brah" and magically somehow go from an autistic worthless 4/10 omega Asian manlet with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a thistle to a 6'5'' 8/10 white alpha male with a strong jawline and a full head of hair. Good luck with that bloke. I respect you guys for your accomplishments being slayers and all and doing gods work. You have no concept of how worthless and degenerate incels actually are though. The 80/20 rule is a harsh mistress and we're way on the wrong side of 80.

Stay frosty.

[–]ColdbloodedEdward0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

11. process is slow, it's never fast

*couldn't figure out how to keep that damn 11 without it turning into a 1

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m unaware is there some rule they broke to get shut down?

[–]anon277715 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

supposedly "violence" but im of the opinion that the sub was just bad PR for reddit

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

wait’l they find out about this “he-man woman haters” club. LOL

[–]warsie1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There were people advocating violence from what I remember. I don't agree with shutting the sub down but still

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do we have plans if the beta censorship fascists that have ruined Reddit decide to expand their safe space to us? A place to go where we can continue contributing to the sphere?

[–]Salted_Pretzel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of the foreveralone sub, give advice but they believe that changing is impossible and that good looks triumphs everything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm no virgin but I actually see their point much more as the bigger picture unlike in 'TRP'. You lot tend to go in to the smaller details that really don't matter and mostly pointless advice, whereas Incels see the big picture of all that's happening with modern day women. They're not self defeatist, they just see the truth as it is that if you don't have one of these aspects (looks, money, status, height or bad boy/thug persona) then dealing with the opposite sex is a waste of time to pursuit. Don't get me wrong, I have swallowed the red pill and a advocate of the philosophy but there's no solution other than what MGTOW suggests.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm no virgin but I actually see their point much more as the bigger picture unlike in 'TRP'. You lot tend to go in to the smaller details that really don't matter and mostly pointless advice, whereas Incels see the big picture of all that's happening with modern day women. They're not self defeatist, they just see the truth as it is that if you don't have one of these aspects (looks, money, status, height or bad boy/thug persona) then dealing with the opposite sex is a waste of time to pursuit. Don't get me wrong, I have swallowed the red pill and a advocate of the philosophy but there's no solution other than what MGTOW suggests.

[–]iLLprincipLeS144 points145 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. Softek’s father’s reflexive responses are endemic of men who are Alpha White Knights. Their reactions are behaviorally Alpha, but their reasoning is founded in their investments in Blue Pill conditioning. The usual schema revolve around an attempt to display higher value by identifying with and qualifying for women whom they presuppose have default authority and correctness above men in general.

This then manifests as an exaggerated AMOGing of any guy who would not affirm his investments in that Blue Pill ego-investment. So you get a guy who blusters like Softek’s Dad at Red Pill awareness – it’s both an opportunity to prove value as a White Knight and a resistance against any truths that would challenge his Blue Pill ego.

In my own life I’ve known several men who anyone in the ‘sphere would objectively call Alpha. Their default is to action, dominance, authority and control of whatever life puts in front of them. They handle their shit, they own their business ventures, they have all the Dark Triad traits you might expect from a guy like this – but put them in a social setting with a girl and they go as Beta as any Blue Pill guy you’ll ever know. Their Blue Pill conditioning predisposes them to compartmentalize this aspect of their personality to effectively put their dominant personality to the use of the Feminine Imperative.

Dangerous White Knights

Maybe I’m the only guy who watched both seasons of Daredevil on Netflix, but if you watch the first season where they go into the origin and character of Wilson Fisk (Kingpin) this is exactly the type of guy I’m talking about. Wildly Alpha, wildly unstable, but still in control of his empire. Put a woman in his life and he transitions all of that Alpha energy to essentially worshiping that woman. In fact, this prioritizing of women above his own interests is the motivation for his empire building. These are the Alpha White Knights who channel that Alpha energy to making his Blue Pill idealisms a reality for any woman who fits his ideal.

And when that Blue Pill ideal reveals itself to be a fantasy – or God forbid, a Red Pill aware guy should take this fantasy away from him intentionally or not – you will see him self destruct, and likely take either that woman, that Red Pill guy, or both along with him.

That’s one type of Blue Pill Alpha. Another is the guy who is Alpha in one context, but Beta in another. These are the guys I describe when I talk about my military friends who’ve faced live ammo being fired at them by people intent on killing them who hold up like nails and get their job done while commanding other men. Put them in a domestic situation or a position where they have to fall back on their Blue Pill conditioning in dealing with women and they’ll defer automatically to the Frame of their wives without a thought. When their wives up and leave them, these are some of the first men to swallow a bullet by their own hand.

Again, this is an Alpha who’s never been awakened to his Blue Pill conditioning. Say even one marginally critical word about women in general and they’re the first in line to kick your ass. But they’re also the most likely to self destruct when their Blue Pill idealism is challenged or crushed.

A lot gets made about the status of ‘Paper Alphas’, but I’m beginning to think term is a bit in error. I’m dropping this here today because I think there’s a misunderstanding about how Alpha energy is channeled with respect to a guy being Red Pill aware, and a guy who is still plugged into the feminine-primary Matrix and at the mercy of how women (and other men) will exploit his Blue Pill ego-investments. In the manosphere we tend to conflate Alpha with Red Pill, but as I always say, Alpha is a mindset and not representative of whether that man is in fact ‘woke’ to his conditions and manipulations.

When I watched how the Marvel writers handled the character of Wilson Fisk I got chills because I have personally counseled Blue Pill, but predominantly Alpha, guys who’ve stabbed the new boyfriends of their ex-girlfriends because he was perceived as the catalyst to the destruction of his Blue Pill ideal – union with his ONEitis girlfriend.

I’m emphasizing this because I think it’s important for Red Pill aware men to understand the dangers of being perceived as the antithesis of these men’s ego-investments in Blue Pill idealism. This may take the form of him just despising you for revealing uncomfortable truths to him with your own presence and lifestyle, or it may be him pinning his failures to consolidate his Blue Pill ideals to you and wanting to eliminate both you and the truth you represent.

[–]legitimateusername453 points54 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They've finally found someone they can safely look down on and it's a good opportunity to virtue signal.

[–]iLLprincipLeS18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A consistent criticism I’ve received over the years is that the Red Pill is so negative. Why cant the Manosphere just sweeten up? Its truth is definable and self-evident, but why can’t Rollo adjust the ‘tone’? I’ve lived and written through several waves of newcomers to the ‘sphere and in each generation the same want for a ‘kinder, gentler’ Red Pill is always there. The idea is that if you just changed the delivery of the truth it would somehow make it more palatable to a wider audience.

Who’s It For?

I want reiterate here that it’s never been my goal to write for an audience. Whether it’s writing on this blog, my books or when I’m discussing things on various podcasts my only imperative is to convey the information I think is relevant to the topic of intersexual dynamics. My obligation is to picking apart and considering as close as I can get to an objective truth. And I don’t do this by way of some sense of duty to objectivism – it’s just the way that’s always seemed most efficient to me to come to a usable truth. It’s pragmatism on my part, not dedication.

Yes, I know, true objectivism is impossible for human beings. Yes, I also know that even biases we’re unaware of will subconsciously influence our rationality. Spare me the classicist intellectualism, I’ve been at this long enough to have considered all that. But the fact that objectivism is never perfect doesn’t mean we should strive for our best attempt at it – nor replace it with moralism.

I don’t write for an audience. I write about what I see going on around me and I connect dots. Writers today, of all medias, will tell you to “give your readers what they want” if you want to be successful. Writing about uncomfortable truths that rattle people’s cages is counterintuitive to the write-for-success mindset. If you want to sell books, if you want to monetize blogs, if you want to get more channel subscribers you gotta give the folks what they want, right? That’s how most churches work today; cater the message to the congregation if you want the tithe checks to stay consistent.

And always write to appeal to emotions too. People don’t enjoy thinking, but boy do they ever love feeling something – particularly in an age when female emotiveness is the order of the day.

When I began writing regularly it was in a forum environment. We hashed out many ideas and weren’t afraid to get ugly. It was a necessary part of the process. There was no pretense of appealing to an audience for money, traffic or readership. The sole focus was debating the truth about a dynamic. That debate was always a hot kitchen, but the results were something greater than the process.

As a result my essays carried over a lot of the heat from the SoSuave days kitchen. I wasn’t writing to impress readers or increase traffic to the blog it was just to document and codify the objective truths I came to. There is no monetization and the comment threads have never been moderated (besides spam and trolls). Almost 8 years later my charter is still about the same objective debate.

The drawback to this commitment to objective truth is that it rarely appeals to emotionalism. No, it’s not the ‘tone‘ or the feel of the information being related that’s so off-putting – it’s the information itself, and how it makes one feel, that determines whether it’s perceived as positive or negative.

Feels Before Reals

Most people who are still plugged into the proverbial Matrix are living in a world that prioritizes feels before reals. The purpose of consuming really anything is to judge it by how it makes us feel; and especially so in an era defined by the female experience. Emotion always comes before reason in women’s natural, unlearned, interpretive processes. This is also extended to men who’ve been conditioned to prioritize emotions before reason. And this is exacerbated by their need to be better feelers, better emoters, than those other ‘typical’ guys if they want an emotional woman to ever bear their children at some point.

Anything that prioritizes reason before emotion will always run the risk of being perceived as negative. Even if the sum of the information is positive, the fact that you had to come to the truth by way of reason rather than emotion will make it negative.

If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.

Usually those designations are reserved for the men who make a habit of using reason to the exception of emotion to relate an objective truth that’s unflattering to the feminine. Again, it’s the information, not the tone, that’s offensive to the emotions-first prioritization. To the Blue Pill mind, any strong idea that conflicts with this prioritization is an affront to the personal investments they’ve made in ideas that it challenges.

So, understand, I’m not a negative person by nature. I’m an artist. Few people know that my 2nd degree is a BFA. I draw, I paint, I play four instruments, I used to do Shakespearean stage acting – I’ve even done children’s theater.

I fully embrace the emotional as a necessary part of the human experience – Hell, half of Red Pill awareness is acknowledging and confronting emotions. I’m certainly not a cynic or a pessimist. Anyone thinking so usually hasn’t read my work. I’m very much an optimist when it comes to creating a New Hope for men in a Red Pill paradigm. I don’t just stop at clinical realism and leave men hanging. I don’t subscribe to the ennui of the “Black Pill” – I’m certainly not absolutist or a determinist.

However, I also have a commitment and an obligation to objective truth in everything I write. Trust me, there are times I wish I could use my wife and my marriage as a ‘proof of concept’ example of how a Red Pill aware guy can make a relationship work today. But the objective truth would make me look like a charlatan if I tried to convince a man that marriage was at all a good idea in its present state.

That’s tough for me. I have had to hold back from posting pictures of my beautiful wife and daughter to prove something to truly negative naysayers. Ladies, you want me to write something positive about women? I love my wife dearly. She’s been a net benefit to my life for all of 23 years now. My daughter is a model. She’s feminine to a fault and she’s smart and ambitious. I would die for her, gladly.

But I never use my personal life as an example in my work for their protection, but also because I don’t want to lead men astray by in anyway implying that what I have is possible for them. And I’ve had men tell me that, “I want what you have.”

But I don’t make value calls. I consider information, I try to interpret it, and I present it in such a way that it’s useful to men where they’re at. I want to give you tools to use to build your own life, not mine.

Truth & Hustle

Admire the Hustle. We read this a lot in the Manosphere among the guys who fancy themselves entrepreneurs. I think one reason critics think the Red Pill is negative is because all they see is the Hustle. The Hustle has a way of becoming the whole point of anything.

I’m an abortion doctor, but I make six figures and I’m the best at what I do. No one will out-work me. Admire the Hustle baby.

When the selling is more important the the product itself, then you have problems. When the truth is less important than the Hustle inevitably our truth becomes the Hustle. There needs to be a balance and that’s getting harder and harder to find now.

We’re at a moment in the Manosphere where the truth is starting to get lost in the Hustle. I’m accused of it, or I’m accused of associating with ‘too much Hustle’. Well-meaning colleagues with too much perception and not enough information are feeling that salesmen care more about the sale than the product.

I hear you.

Let me finish here by reiterating that my obligation to objective truth will always be my motivation for doing anything I put my name on. It always has been. However, I have worked for amazing companies who sold things that people loved and enjoyed only to watch them crumble and die because the sales team assumed control of the ‘product’. The selling became more important than what was being sold.

My books, my blog, my appearances, every aspect of The Rational Male is my art. I craft each essay. It’s what I care about most. I will never allow the truth to be compromised by the Hustle. The Hustle is important, particularly when it’s about disseminating the truth, but it is secondary to the truth – even to the exception of the Hustle. Sometimes the truth doesn’t sell.

This Is Important

We are rapidly entering a time when our ideas will be vilified. Very soon the objective, life-saving, praxeology that is the Red Pill will be used as a label, as a synonym, for negative ideologies that never had anything to do with the Red Pill. And people who are all about the Hustle will gladly abandon the truth they’re selling now if it means the public opinion of it would compromise their Hustle. It’ll be less about what we’re discussing than how influential and how many followers the person we’re discussing it with has.

Others, those who were appropriating the ‘brand’, will throw the Red Pill under the bus to save their own necks. The coming storm is going to test the resolve of people who are all about the Hustle and all about the Red Pill. I know where my obligations lie, they’ve never changed.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Incel, although often had some very troubled guys on it, was essentially a sub where these guys could vent and gain some perspective on why their lives are so fucked up. I can only feel sympathy for them, but to SJWs they're easy prey to be mocked and attacked, that's really fucking vile.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wasnt that what foreveralone was for too?

[–]ObiMemeKenobi4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This pissed me off so much. There were tons of people calling for "which sub should be banned next?!"..

[–]Luckylancer9615 points16 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Where do they celebrate? Want to see it

[–]Do-it-for-you11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Check out subredditdrama, there's a megathread there.

[–]Skayruss20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The way I see it, with incels down, TRP and MGTOW are next.

That being said, this might give exposure and will make MGTOW and TRP blow up in coverage and that adds more men to our ranks, as well as exposing the censorship and double standards of male vs female.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ill give you 3:1 odds MGTOW goes before TRP. Theres just something about this sub that makes whoever holds the bannhammer nervous about pulling the trigger

[–]Skayruss4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would rather that no sub goes because censorship is autistic as fuck.

That being said, contingencies are made and we have fallback positions.

[–]max_peenor242 points243 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Just shows you how moronic SJW and their corporate buddies are. If you want to find Supreme Gentlemen before they start shooting-up coeds, you need to give them somewhere to speak. This was an easily monitored and very policeable place to let these losers rant. Now they will return to their basements and google "how to make weapons" day and night.

[–]squarehead93101 points102 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This. Even if you don't wish to preserve the incels sub out of the goodness of your heart, it makes sense to at least give them a safe space/ghetto where they can vent to keep them docile. Afterwords, most of them will return to their hentai, Cheetos and video games.

That being said, incels was basically a giant toxic crab bucket with everyone feeling sorry for each other and pulling themselves down. Most weren't going there to get help, but to feel validated. It's still better than the alternative.

[–]Shaidar__Haran25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe the theory is, "let discord handle that shit, we don't want it sullying our image".

At least that's my interpretation.

[–]commander_zoidberg14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I think you would be surprised how few of the genuine incels fit your stereotypes for what an incel is. With the exception of some autism and physical deformity most of us are pretty normal. Lots of codercels, mathscels, pajeets and asiancels. Manlets. An active military or two. I think we had a dozen or so basement dwelling NEETS from a core regular userbase of 100 people. I work full time on shifts and have never lived in a basement, never consumed hentai and find cheetos disgusting. We're just the all singing all dancing unwanted bastard trash of humanity.

[–]squarehead9334 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bullshit. I've seen Asians, Indians, guys on the autism spectrum, short guys, and short Asian/Indian guys who are probably on the spectrum with girlfriends/picking up chicks.

The trick is that most of these guys put themselves out there, don't make excuses, generally try to stay physically fit, practice good hygiene, are well-dressed, and have interesting hobbies. Barring physical deformities or severe autism, I don't think anyone is doomed to die alone.

Is that to say everyone will be Chad, or that some dudes won't have to work hard to get to where other guys have always been? Of course not. I am short, naturally introverted and suspected of having mild Asperger's. I was a late bloomer myself, and didn't have a proper girlfriend until I was in college. But I make a point of going to the gym, being social, cultivating interesting hobbies, and pushing myself out of my comfort zone. Am I getting laid left and right? No, but I've had girlfriends and casual sex.

I do sympathize with incels. I think a lot of them have bad social anxiety and are stuck in negative feedback loops as a result. But the odds of losing your virginity/finding a SO as a former incel are not insurmountable at all. The trick is to take control of every aspect of your life you can control, and that requires a bit of self-awareness, humility, and grit. Nerdy gamer/programmer who is an awkward shut in, doesn't shower, and wears ratty clothes? Yeah, he's gonna struggle. But the gamer/programmer guy who dresses well, stays fit and hygenic, and socializes with people with similar interests? These people almost always find someone. A lot of times they end up dating girls who have the same hobbies and themselves are kind of introverted, and they're happy.

[–]hpboy4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/u/squarehead93 This is 100% true. I'm a former incel. Changed my life around at 23. Got a GF now and still go out twice a week.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. At least they have a community to share in their suffering.

Much like trp lmaoo except here, we share in our success, reflect on our failures and work for a better future.

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 39 points40 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's exactly what I thought. This thought these BP guys have about that place being a pressure pan cooking hatred that could explode at any time is dead wrong. Incels are by nature isolated, and if you nuke the (most likely) only place they have to rant and make friends in similar situations, you isolate them even more.

There's nothing more dangerous that a man that has nothing to lose AND is isolated. The true "pressure pan cooking hatred" is their heads, and if you block the "rant valve", explosions will start happening.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

time to wait for the next Elliot Rodger explosion then, sigh

[–]Menchstick13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SJWs don't care about solving problems (and even if they did they wouldn't know how), they care about moving them out of their sight.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_201618 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps that is what they want. Nothing more useful to the elite than a "problem" to solve.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They were spreading their poison thou, that sub got very famous way too fast recent months, there are a lot of 14-17 year old kids using reddit a lil bit below average due to puberty whom fell for their trap, that sub was totally dangerous with their rape inducing woman hating mindset with full of suicidal and homicidal suggestions.

[–]max_peenor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And you think those kids aren't going to find another venue for this, but one that hides them better? With the dismantling of the social structures that used to support people throughout their life, a lot of these kids think they have absolutely nowhere to go. I'd rather keep an eye on them. I think the FBI would agree.

[–]swagyswaggy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

speech is the alternative to action. wtf do they think is going to happen when they take away the incel's speech??

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They want mass shootings and white supremacist rallies. It confirms their world view and that they are the good guys. The deaths don't matter to them. They will provoke and kick the bees nest again and again until they get a response, then spread photos and videos of that response saying "see! they are planning an uprising! in today;s Aemrica!"

[–]max_peenor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So basically 1932 German communists? They didn't read ahead in the book, did they?

[–]ObiMemeKenobi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Banning them just pushes them deeper underground so that most people don't have to think about it. What's stupid is that you didn't have to go there anyways and a lot of people went in there just to make fun of them and feel better about themselves

[–]I_Need_More_Space_47 points48 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

www.TRP.Red is the backup for when Reddit bans TRP, no? Honestly, if they ban us, who cares? We'll just move the community to TRP.Red and hopefully a large part of the weak, purple, socialist community won't follow. Cheers.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It probably wont be that bad when the axe finally falls, just a new website and less public attention. TRP being on reddit all this time got the movement well enough known that whoever needs to find the pill will find it

[–]ryan_mcdonuts88 points89 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't see this sub lasting too much longer anyways. Anything remotely against political correctness will eventually be banned on reddit. This has been made awfully clear, as the admins are slowly pruning the 'offensive' subs, not doing it all at once to prevent a major backlash (alt right was previously banned earlier this year, for example). Mens rights and TRP are certainly within the near future.

[–]AlexDr0ps12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

In the event that this happens, is there a different website the community will migrate to?

[–]ToSeeAndToHear19 points20 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

TRP.RED - I think it has been in the sidebar for a while.

[–]2comment 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

More importantly, is there a way to backup past content of a specific subreddit? This lost value is what makes community bannings so shitty.

[–]ToSeeAndToHear4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe that was a factor in the project.

[–]cat-gun0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

IMO, everyone should migrate to Patchwork/Scuttlebutt.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, why do you think mens rights as well? My guess is theyll keep that up forever just to weed out users who deviate from the party line. Its a hell of a lot more politically correct than TRP, incels, and MGTOW are

[–]broscientologist61 points62 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, it probably isn’t good. Incels always complained that the vast majority of its readers and posters were not actually incels.

In other words, most of the people over there didn’t really believe any of it. They were just allowed in the sandbox because they new how to play by the playground rules.

It was a joke.

Comparison, most of the posters here do take it seriously.

So in other words, if they are willing to silence a comedian for telling a racist joke then they will definitely go after an actual racist.

They don’t see the difference between the two subs. They gladly shut down the one that was a joke.

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rookie mistake putting Poe's law on a pedestal.

[–]askmrcia15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So if I'm reading this right is this the same as the niceguy sub?

The niceguy sub isn't a sub full of nice guys, but its a sub where people go there to basically make fun of guys complaining about being rejected.

Basically its a whole bunch of memes and posts on facebook where users in that thread just get together and laugh at dudes. Is that the same as Incel?

[–]broscientologist7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There were some people on incel who were, in fact, incel. But the sub count and activity was way higher than that. There is a lot of cross over between these two subs. The difference, mainly, was that most people treated that other sub as a joke.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels was brigaded almost every thread by people who disagreed with its mission/ideas as well. TRP has never had that problem to the same extent

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Incels was actually populated by, well, incels. They made the posts and moderation, but the sub was just way too much watched by outsiders that didn't agree with anything they said, and just stood there for the lulz and/or for getting proof of how "evil" they were.

[–]Luckylancer960 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That place way shitbox. They poo, play with it then throw it to next incell. After that boht have fun. I think the place way funny. Rip incels.

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Will not change a thing.

Maybe some incels will wander over here, pale little self abused dicks in hand, decrying nofap as the holy grail while their bodypillow anime girlfriend drags behind them in the dirt like Linus' blankie.

They'll quickly realize that this is not the place for them - bullshit tolerance is at a low here right now (shoutout to the mods).

It's like if the motorcycles sub got shut down and their users migrated to the cars sub... Cars would not put up with their "cars are cages" rhetoric any more that a sub discussing sexual strategy will put up with people decrying that no strategy is the strategy.

No mountain, no molehill.

Just another speedbump.

[–]PID1_ 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

off topic but I find that "cager" pejorative from bikers so fucking stupid. I ride. I drive. The stupid little tribal/cultist mentality is just weak.

[–]backbayguy9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When Harley came out with the "No Cages" line of clothing in 2006, I died a little inside. I was so embarrassed to see it in my local shop.

[–]Ketogainsmongoose 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

TheRedPill is next on the chopping block.

How is this not stickied!?

[–]SonOfSparda3044 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it's not, we'll be fine.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

TRP as a subreddit will not survive 2018.

Ill give you 2:1 odds it will

RemindMe! 418 Days

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's just a matter of time honestly. Ever since fatpeoplehate got banned Reddit's stance is pretty clear. They will side with the hivemind and don't give a fuck if what they are doing is wrong or unfair.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

its painful yet hilarious watching them fuck up every decision like this.

Like, if management wants reddit to make real advertising money, its going to take more than deleting the occasional controversial sub. This place has some fuuuuuucked up shit if you know where to look

[–]Wraeclast_Exile9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand what incels was all about. Could someone educate me?

[–]WolfofAnarchy18 points19 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

People not having sex and/or female attention and making their whole existence about how terrible women are.

[–]JimCanuck0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You just described both subs prefectly...

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

difference being red pill believes change and success is possible, for anyone regardless of their current life circumstances or genetics

incels was more like the way 4chan went with the original red pill idea, they believed that success was predetermined by genetics

Similar worldview, very different conclusions

[–]passenger624981 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The red pill teaches you how to turn that around. And if youve truly swallowed the pill, you wouldn't view women as being terrible, youd view them as simply being women.

[–]November-Actual 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What's the backup plan when* (not if) TRP gets deleted?

[–]ThunderBuss19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought incels was hilarious.

[–]juranomo14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad I'm not the only one. Calling someone a chad seriously is hilarious for some reason.

[–]purplecabbage8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What I'm having trouble understanding in general is why reddit bans subs at all. If you don't like a sub, don't visit it!

[–]boopdelaboop13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit doesn't want 4chan's (/b/'s to be specific) reputation. They get a lot of celebrities to do AMAs here, for instance. If the reputation would be that Reddit is a cesspool and helps harbor all sorts of bad stuff then Reddit wouldn't get as much good will from celebrities and advertisers anymore.

[–]chauncy_popperstein94 points95 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Just keep hammering them down. I hope the mods are up to this... Time for people to be on point. Don't tolerate INCEL bullshit. Don't validate their whiny crap. Just point them at the sidebar and lock their threads.

[–]Marsupian41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yup, see some sad fuck posting sad shit hit that report button like it's fine ass walking by (not implying any specific gendered ass obviously).

If they ban this sub thats just good publicity and we have backups.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If they ban this sub thats just good publicity and we have backups.

A lot of submissions from this subreddit are ranked very good on Google, and many people find them when they start searching for an answer. Banning this subreddit means more people stuck in the Matrix.

[–]rigbed11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s how I found reddit to begin with, through this sub.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat30 points31 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

TRP isn't advocating illegal acts towards women. Apparently they were.

[–]ThePantsThief32 points33 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

According to the rest of Reddit, we advocate for rape. Won't be long before someone finds a close enough example and shows it to the Admins. We could be fucked here.

[–]newls6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter what we actually are, reputation is everything. If that grows to a saturation point then they'll ban us.

Thankfully I doubt that'll ever happen.

Edit: For context it's useful to add this quote from the reddit CEO on a post asking why a certain Trump subreddit hadn't been closed:

Generally the mods of the_donald have been cooperative when we approach them with systematic abuses. Typically we ban entire communities only when the mods are uncooperative or the entire premise of the community is in violation of our policies. In the past we have removed mods of the_donald that refuse to work with us.

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Saw that too. I'm hopeful, but I'm not naïve. I'm not sure both of these subreddits will last forever.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love T_D, but they have had to go to extreme lengths to avoid getting banned. The amount they've bent over to stay on Reddit has been controversial on that sub. And they are still on thin ice. The amount of realtalking on that sub won't be tolerated much longer, especially if the Democrats take a shellacking in 2018.

[–]c_megalodon251 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think some of this rape bullshit is generational. Colleges got tired of dealing with drunk guys and girls not knowing how to read each other and ending up with sexual assaults. So all of a sudden all consent had to be explicit and any alcohol meant incapable of consent. A 40 year old woman is going to have a very different view of both consent and alcohol than a 20 year old.

Not saying that actual rape is bullshit. What is considered rape on college campuses versus what is on the statutes is bullshit.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

....I haven't been here long, (A month) and I only really come from front page posts but I haven't seen anyone advocate that....

[–]ThePantsThief0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No one here does. But lots of the writers here use satire, sarcasm, and a lot of assumptions about what the reader understands in their writing. People from \r\all often take stuff too literally or misinterpret meaning.

Example: "no doesn't always mean no."

It doesn't always mean no. But sometimes it does. Most readers here understand that. But to some people, it always means no. And those are the people who will think that by making this claim, we're saying it's okay to rape, because to them, if a girl says "no" with her words, it's rape, even if she's not saying "no" with the rest of her body.

For the record, I like to play it safe. No may not always mean no, but I'm not about to risk going to jail over some girl who can't get her mind and body to agree, so the moment a girl tells me no, I pack up and leave.

[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a personal phobia of rejection so I don't ask girls out at all. Instead I wait for them to ask me.

As you can probably guess I don't meet many girls...still I did get married!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were pretty fucked in the head

[–]Thizzlebot7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why did it get banned? Was the butthurt too much? I kinda enjoyed reading it. lol

[–]SgtBrutalisk3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The official explanation is "violating policy against violent content", which could mean literally anything. Threats of violence? Gore images? Naturally, it's very easy to have a blue pill cabal infiltrate the moderator ranks and start allowing such content, leading to what seems like a natural end of a subreddit.

[–]eggAMA8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to say, incels was how I found TRP. I was linked to incels from an askreddit thread about most despicable subreddits, and like many people I was appalled by what I saw. It did make me feel a lot better about myself though. The next day, I looked at it again, and I saw on the sidebar they said "This is not theredpill" and I clicked out of curiosity. The rest is history

[–]SilverGryphon15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm an incel myself but I won't ever come in and poison this sub. While the sub had it's extremes, I was quite pleased with some of the blackpill experiments that they made. It's true that looks matter as they endlessly said in that sub, but as a redpiller I know that such looks can usually be improved upon with enough work.

[–]empatheticapathetic9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks matter and I enjoyed those posts. But that was never the takeaway I took from that. The takeaway was women's level of hypocrisy regarding what they say and what they do. They would happily fuck a pedo because he was hot. But they spend all day crying about 'morality' trying to control people to their tune.

I'll always remember /u/Heathcliff-- 's post where he fucked a girl off TBP. She knew exactly who he was and what he stood for (even exaggerating it) but she couldn't let a Chad pass her up. It was a great experiment in proving how malleable women are and how little what they say and 'believe' means. Yes, all because of looks. But don't forget the importance of frame here. Frame truly is the most important aspect in attraction.

[–]GreenPiller12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The black pills were awesome.

[–]numandina0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not incel but I posted there and was approved submitter for the blackpills which are objective truths everyone should appreciate regardless of what your SMV is. It was also a good community and provided a lot of laughs.

[–]Son0fSun13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Incel stands for involuntary celibate.

It was a group of men who were incapable of having sex with women. Many wallowed in their own self pity and began wishing and advocating the taking of violent action against women. The mods did not remove the offending content and refused to work with the Reddit admins and it was banned.

That being said, TRP does not actively advocate violence against women and even if people do, the mods work to remove it. As long as that continues to be the case, this sub is fine.

[–]sqerl24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Other than some angry vitrol when dudes wake up going through the anger phase, what's the problem with TRP?

Lift, read, mindset, understanding, strategy, sidebar....

Making little snowflakes uncomfortable isn't a banable offence...

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And if it eventually is, Reddit is already lost; and Aaron Swartz will be rolling over in his grave.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think they'll migrate to FA or mensrights before they come here.

[–]SonnyisKing5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

fuck the haters, that sub was funny as fuck and had great content.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

funny in the same sense that watching somebody get KOed by stepping on a rake is funny

[–]Wilreadit6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP will get banned in the future. How soon or how late will be upto how bad the admins suck the dicks of SJWs and foxy females.

You all have swallowed the pill. Now get your chutes packed. Be ready to bail.

[–]Drezzzire24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's stupid that their sub got banned.

Where's the fucking freedom of speech.

So feminists can still have their ridiculous shit up but some losers who can't get laid can't have their corner too?

Fuck Reddit

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't know exactly why they got banned, but it's not too hard to guess. We come down pretty hard on incels around here. I don't see it being too much of a problem.

I also have all my favorite RP threads saved, full web pages, to my local machine. Even if the sub was nuked, I for one am RP'd.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't know exactly why they got banned, but it's not too hard to gues

they motivated each other to rape, castrate and murder people.

[–]telluwhut[🍰] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Was anyone raped, castrated, or murdered?

[–]empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They just enjoyed taking their sense of humour to that place. But Reddit can't risk one of them being a psycho and actually carrying out an action "in the name of kek" or whatever.

It's sad because they had a sense of community, which is important for people who are on the edge. But Reddit can't risk any shit like that going bad. TRP is different because of the standards and the level of accountability that goes into clearing potentially troublesome threads.

[–]Monkey_Jerk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I expect to see this type of parroting on the rest of reddit but in this sub? You realize people make shit up and take things out of context about trp as well. This sub could easily be next.

[–]Sepean5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is some relevant tidbits from TBP about possibly getting TRP banned. Basically we’re good unless we and the especially the mods go off the deep end

I was in contact with the reddit administration giving them proof that incels should be banned. Heres the deal, they wont ban a community for simply having rapey posts. You need to prove that the mods themselves are breaking the rules. If you can show that the mods are blatantly not taking down posts that break the rules, they will receive a warning and be told to do their jobs basically (which happened to r incels previously) IF the mods STILL won't take down these posts within a reasonable time frame (leaving a post on the front page for 24 hours and then taking it down is still breaking the rules) then a sub can be banned


Unfortunately, I saw elsewhere that r incels was banned not for its advocacy of government-sponsored rape slavery, but rather because of a post in which the sub's members discussed castrating OP's roommate.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I might be the tinfoil-hat person right now, but i wouldn't trust this information 100%. It seems likely true, but you cannot use rational thinking with the hate speech ideology in the current age.

[–]WhorehouseVet6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the Reddit admin doing a purge of subs that are not BP friendly? One of my favorite subs where I source medicine got banned too. I'd be watching out what else will be banned.

Maybe T_D will be next.

[–]reddttt5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There was a guy there that actually tattooed "incel" on his dick. No joke.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

some people really are just too fucking dumb to reproduce smh

[–]azevedro4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t read it but I can sympathize with them and it’s very unjustified. Sometimes they just need a place for support and to rant. Why the fuck did they get banned?

[–]Hjalmbere4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nutters at incels aside, the people who shut that sub down are SJWs, and SJWs always lie. Mark my word, they’ll not just rest on their laurels.

They’re coming for this sub, The Donald, your jokes, PUAs and anything else they deem offensive(everything).

[–]aBetterNation53 points54 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

its so fucking annoying that the left always wants to censor everything.

just fuck off and stop eating you fat fucks and maybe enjoy life.

[–]LeftHookTKD44 points45 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Both the far left and far right are BS

[–]CoronaTRP3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

not relevant to the statement your commenting on.

He didn't even stated that the left sucks, only that they have an annoying tendency to be pro-censorship

[–]dizzyoak120 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s not just one side who loves censorship. Everyone whose anyone these days is desperate to drown out opinions they don’t like.

[–]newls2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are terrified of the uncertainties of life and cling to ideas that they feel bring certainty. Even if that means shutting out any other contradictory ideas and letting others have them.

The need for certainty is the greatest disease the human mind faces.

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's my understanding they got banned for advocating domestic violence. If this place ever turned into that I'd want it banned, too.

[–]Htowngetdown13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But a few users don’t speak for an entire sub. By these ridiculous rules we could literally pick a target sub, attack it with “illegal” content and voila! Subreddit ban for breaking site rules regarding “hate speech” incoming

[–]nattypnutbuterpolice8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The popular opinion there was that women are subhuman. I'm not sure why you think advocating violence against them would be difficult to believe.

[–]boopdelaboop1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The straw that broke the camel's back could also have been stuff like Several users have pretty consistently been making posts about that "chads", "stacys", and "normies" deserve violence and suffering, sometimes they went further than just saying those groups in general deserved any bad things happening to them, and instead actively desired bad things, or once a while bragged about low key "revenge" like contaminating food if they had that sort of power. It's been a slow consistent trickle of many borderline bad things over time, and the mods not working to discourage those sorts of things.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sub took it too far tho. I think we can all agree they were pro violence. Just a sub full of vergins who can't get laid and blame woman for it. Those sad fucks. I honestly feel bad for them. Now they actually have to go outside in public instead of bitching.


[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , They aaallll lloooooorrrrrve censorship.

[–]GreenPiller4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They actually made some good points, they were kinda Pre-TRP. Some might move here, but most of them will probably go to 4chan. Thousands of incels on the loose sounds really scary.

[–]noethe995 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's the plan if they ban us next?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Migrate to site. Everyone. Better to leave alone then to be banned - reddit for a long time is not free speech site. I am not even sure if sub like trp belong here.

Be prepared..any kind of speech that does not support current narrative will become just deep web matter. We are moving back in time.

In 5 years we will be talking through anonyme browsers and encrypted communication.

[–]red-arctic-tern1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are we waiting to get banned? Walk away while you can?

[–]AncientScrolls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We arent as others have mentioned is our backup plan in case they decided to put an end to this sub.

[–]GlubGlubMotherfucker5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a person who dislikes TRP, even I think that incels was infinitely worse.

[–]gELSK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Yeah, I don't think anyone's seriously arguing that point.

[–]RedSovereign3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddit has never been fond of us. That said, we've taken measures to avoid their ire. They're not likely to come for us.

As RPS noted however, backup forums are here:

[–]Cur1osityC0mplex9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, my post was removed for linking to TBP, but again--to repost...they are already on the front page of TBP talking about now is the time to strike TRP--so be on your best behaviour...

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBP means nothing. They're more like incels than this sub is.

[–]LordStoffelstein8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm worried about this as well. I've seen the same comments, comparing TRP to incels. Which is ridiculous to say the least. I don't know what their hamster wheels are spinning to convince themselves we are the same as those people

[–]king_of_red_alphas5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the anger toward and demonization of women. If you don’t think that goes on here you are delusional.

I’m not for a second saying this sub should be banned as it is very easy to point out the positive aspects on this sub (mental and physical health, grooming, etc)

I literally can’t think of one redeeming aspect of incels, which itself isn’t enough to ban it.

But when you see them whipping themselves into violent circle jerks and fantasizing about hurting women, well - it’s a pretty damn easy decision if the mods just let that shit go.

[–]CptFizz7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Every banned sub is another nail in reddits coffin. Mainstream reddit can't die soon enough.

[–]cookin_breakfast 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Incels were real as fuck even if they were whiny bitches. I honestly learned the subtleties of what makes someone attractive that I was just too stupid to pin down on my own. It was a negative feed back loop browsing that sub, but damn they exposed the cold hard truths of human interaction for me. Not just for attraction, but in everyday common place interactions. Getting mogged, realizing the halo effect, all of these things I used to hamster away until the black pill opened my eyes. Now I can acknowledge when these things are happening to me, laugh about it, and repress it. It's completely ripped away the sympathy and blue pill tendencies I used to have. I think it made me a stronger person wrestling with the cold hard bitter truth for a few months.

[–]ovrload3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same. It opened my eyes about the world a lot even though some of it went a little too far.

[–]BillSander2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't reddit other than here... had no idea there actually was an incels sub.

[–]blackedoutfast3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels mainly got banned because they actively went out and tried to spread their cancer in other subs and annoyed the fuck out of everyone.

[–]poonGopher69692 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fucking stupid, incels was the male equivalent of twoXXchromosomes. I loved peering into that shitfest.

[–]Starfuckingman3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they closed trp, I honestly have no idea where to go to get the same quality content. I mean don't get me wrong, there are other places but trp is the headquarters to me. The comments discussions here are just so goddamn precious.

[–]kekthesnek3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This sub is on the chopping block for sure

[–]king_of_red_alphas2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Does anybody believe that place wasn’t a breeding ground for the next Sodini or Rodger?

For fucks sake they openly worshipped those guys and actively encouraged others to go further.

If that’s not ban worthy, what is?

[–]NormalAndy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They really should legalize prostitution if they want to banish incels. These guys could get laid and Harvey Weinstein could have got a reciept- win win.

[–]fuck_da_haes2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of them suggested castration of "Chad" roommate while using crack so he cannot pass out from pain. Mods left it, it was actual, serious suggestion ... fuck that sub, good riddance. If they want to be sad, pathetic losers, fine by me, but they stepped over the line big time.

[–]Zepplin019 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP and incels are actually very similar in some ways. We both often understand the truth about female psychology and the sort. The real difference between us and them is instead of whining about it, we accept how women are and behave and use that to our advantage. On the other hand, incels only whine about how unfair the world is towards them and promote hatred of women.

[–]mikeys_legendary6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't see them banning TRP. There's no hate here, we don't post videos of people getting harassed.

[–]Hjalmbere0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

SJWs always lie. They will troll the sub to get it banned.

[–]aga0807 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i had to look up what "incel" meant

i guess i'm a voncel because currently I am voluntarily celibate

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i guess i'm a voncel because currently I am voluntarily celibate

because of the risks or because of personal philosophy?

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Tell us more about your motives, please.

The world needs to know about your kind.

[–]Appraisal-CMA6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve never commented on TRP before, but there’s been a few posts in recent weeks which have almost caused me to do so. The one user who had a great Alpha v Beta v Sigma v Omega analysis/comparison I found very interesting. This is finally the straw that broke the camels back.

There’s a lot of vitriol directed towards TRP currently. I’m not certain of the exact reason, I could hazard a few guesses, but I’ll not bore anyone with my conjecture. I was reading the post on the banning of Incel and everyone’s really whooping it up over there. It was until I started seeing comments comparing TRP to Incels, that I felt it necessary to speak. There’s a giant echo chamber of misinformation and falsehoods happing. It’s literally an emotional rollercoaster with each person saying I feel this way or I feel that way, without any basis in reality or experience with what they speak of. Basically anyone who doesn’t buy a ticket to their dog and pony show, can just fuck right the hell off.

Instead of doing some research and trying to understand other points of view, there’s a lynch mob forming, pitchforks, torches, bad teeth and all. I’ll not deliberately antagonize the mob into killing TRP, but I’ll also not stand idly by and watch something worthwhile be destroyed to sate their desire for more blood.

I’m not red pilled currently, nor is it likely that I’ll ever truly be. I digest the knowledge, accepting what works for me in my current life, discarding what does not. I’ll not pretend to be something I’m not in order for acceptance. I’m just an old school pickup guy, who was introduced to that stuff the year after college, as I had to figure out how to get laid in the real world. I wandered in here because of the obvious parallels in this community to my own quest for knowledge. This place is different than Incel. It’s not even comparable. Yes, certain things that are discussed here, can be off putting and even I can have trouble digesting those ideas/terms. However, TRP (to me) is about self-improvement. Hell yeah, there’s tough love (crap gets called crap pretty quick around here, too quick sometimes maybe, but whatever), but there’s also compassion and a profound level of respect for intelligent conversation. Everyone’s here for a reason, the more experienced among us having gone through exactly what drove the newer people here in the first place. TRP doesn’t advocate those horrid Incel ideas or defeatism. TRP motivates. TRP is about success, not failure (even failing 1000 times can lead to 1 great victory). TRP is about quality, quality posts, quality comments, quality discussion. TRP is full of people doing exactly the same thing I am, working hard on improving. There’s no blame on women here, merely a look in the mirror, objective analyzation of the situation, recalibration, making of another attempt, trying a different tactic, and ultimately triumphing over adversity.

It would be sad to have TRP die, as this is a good place for discussion and growth. Let’s think on this, if TRP pisses this many people off, we must be doing something right. However, I’m not overly concerned, if death happens we will meet again in other dusty corners of the internet friends. We will continue to go in search of knowledge and we will gather again once we find it. People like us always do.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would be sad to have TRP die, as this is a good place for discussion and growth.

Trust me, its going to, and we have no idea when. Best to backup anything you find useful offline

[–]wickedogg4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always thought that the main problem for incels is that they believe there is something special about sex that makes it different from any other type of transaction and subject to some kind of magic rather than just the same considerations that go into any other sale or contract. Sure, when you are selling different products the psychology is different, but you are still just making a sale and you need to follow the same steps.

No particular woman owes any man sex any more than they owe it to someone to buy a new vacuum or a set of Encyclopedias.

I like to believe that TRP approach takes facts and evidence into account and that when studies com out providing a new perspective or new information, the belief structure changes to accommodate the new evidence.

[–]Bicit19 points20 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It's about time TRP act true to their ideology. This sub should be about the traits of men seen in a positive light. TRP is to promote personalities which tend to develop from males as something to be proud of.

These personalities tend to be more masculine, dominant, in charge, due to testosterone. However TRP should support males who simply feel more passive. But above all is the importance of self confidence.

None of this is to conflict with ACTUAL feminism. Women deserve every equal right men do. I never suggest to anyone the world is fair. Women are physically weaker, so maybe they need to work harder if they want to be a hard laborer; but they're of equal intelligence.

So long as TRP doesn't go down the path of the angry incel, it should be fine. But the mods need to be extra vigilant during these times.

[–]Rian_Stone28 points29 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

TRP is not an idology, it's not a philosophy, and it's not an identity.

It's a strategy guide

[–]Bicit1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. But that doesn't address the issue TRP will soon face.

[–]Rian_Stone 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What, an influx of incels shitting up the place?

Have you been here the last year or so? boxcars are shipped off daily.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Binders full of women.

[–]LiveAFTSOV2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

have to disagree, TRP is an ideology, it's a system of ideas that happened to be reinforced by fact/truth, and gives its adherents a set of tools / to get their desired outcomes (particularly for getting laid)

Edit: You literally have to BELIEVE in TRP, otherwise you're blue...

[–]Rian_Stone6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]LiveAFTSOV 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Okay, I can see it being a praxeology more than a ideology, based the lack of ethics, morals, but it is a belief system, just like how the blue pill is a belief system. The whole eglitarian thing - wrong. Men are leaders. That's our belief.

But still, even a praxeology is inaccurate cus it's based upon purposeful behaviors, yea. But I dont subscribe to the notion of hypergamy and branch-swinging being "purposeful."

I think it's a reflexive action, just like a sneeze. Maybe I'm not giving women their due credit on being conniving and cunning creatures, but I personally think they're for the most part as dumb as bricks and are simply driven by their emotions, tingles, and fee fees, making praxeology inaccurate as well.

Still though, I'd say it's an Ideology based on men must BELIEVE in TRP, otherwise you're blue.

The guys says it doesnt matter what you think or what you believe, but rather your actions, I say that's incorrect:

You cant be blue, and use TRP ideas and strategies and tools to achieve a blue dream. It wont work.

[–]Rian_Stone3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not a belief though, thats the thing.

Just like ironwoods post. Men don't have to have dominance in a relationship. it's just those ones tend to have the longevity.

As for the sneeze, if AWALT was reflexive, it wouldn't be on a spectrum. Put a hot hand on the stove, and 100% of the time people move it, that's reflexive. you cant help it.

I think the disagreement comes from referring to it as an archetype, or identity. Blue isn't a thing one is, it's a shorthand word to describe a grouped set of behaviours. Same as alpha/beta, or RP.

Just groupings

You are right, in your 'children with dynamite' post, 100%. But thats like telling a guy you can't use a pipe wrench to tighten spark plugs, you'll just break the damned things. It won't work

[–]sneakyMak2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing the mods cant deal with so I dont really see a problem with this. Actually I think its a good thing cause that sub had the potential to demoralize and poison countless young minds.

[–]nrokchi2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

By comparison, we're pretty much Men's AMA. That sub was miserable, misanthropic, and whiny. Still, what made it exceptionally worse, were the constant comments involving threatening rape, abuse, torture, and a still-long list of graphic, uninvited acts against women.

We might have a few unpopular opinions here, but we have decent discussion which does not immediate devolve into rape threats on the regular. It was a cesspool of self-perpetuating frustration. Here, we give ways to get better.

In short, no risk.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was a cesspool of self-perpetuating frustration.

its gonna go somewhere though

[–]mcjustmatt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I treat my girlfriend like a princess. This sub helps me do that. So, duck off to anime

[–]SlickShadyyy2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Multiple people on TwoX were discussing how this step wasn't far enough, and how TRP is an example of another 'misogynistic' sub in need of deletion

[–]c_megalodon251 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Well there is a subset of this sub that is “bros scoring hoes”. Women are sometimes treated as a commodity in that sense and women don’t like that. I think another issue (especially with feminism) is the refusal to admit that in general, women are naturally submissive to men in relationships. TRP is based on this.

[–]SlickShadyyy1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don't think most people would argue that there is 0 basis to saying TRP might at times have adverse effects for women, but the kinda shit people circlejerk about 'misogyny' is just 100% ignorance usually

[–]c_megalodon252 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It’s sad that anything that is perceived as being for men is therefore anti women and a hate group that attacks women. Aside from the PUA bros scoring hoes, we actually like women. If we didn’t want relationships with them, we would all be in MGTOW.

[–]SlickShadyyy 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

we actually like women sex

FTFY. Have we been reading the same sub lol?

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Act like an object, and you'll be traded like one.

I've experienced this in cases in which I've had value and not exercised agency.

[–]BlackFallout2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand how those idiots think we hate women. We are here because we love women. TRP lets men better themselves and understand and know how to interact with women. It lets us know what women want and how to give it to them without degrading ourselves.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_77912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More mods. And this is probably a controversial suggestion, but if it ever got really bad, you could use TRP as a feeder sub to a private sub and only invite constructive people. Just thinking out-screen here.

[–]SPREAD_THE_LOVE_77912 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If TRP got banned, Reddit would be making a statement against free speech. We do not advocate anything illegal here. I think it would be such a huge deal they would dare not touch it. Then the other side of me thinks if shut down, people would never cry out against Reddit for fear of being ostracized as a misogyny supporter. And that feminine primacy is much worse than I thought. But I still strongly believe TRP will not get banned.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Take recent history into account.

There are signs that it's worse than you think.

[–]S0maCruz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

banning containment subs, nice job idiots

[–]LeftStep222 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this subreddit should be shut down next.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234567 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They shouldn't have banned incels, they should have sent a fucking team from the FBI to investigate as many one of these losers as possible. Some of the shit I've read on that sub is deeply disturbing. I'm sure they could prevent a lot of future shootings from that shit.

[–]empatheticapathetic0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

What's the most disturbing stuff?

[–]Throwawaysteve1234562 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Just extreme irrational hatred towards women, tons of talk of suicide, and hints of homicide. It's very disturbing just the amount of overt personality disorders on the thread; it's like some have this form of self-deprecating narcissism; they seem to indirectly acknowledge they are shit, yet they feel they are entitled to 9-10's with no work.

[–]empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The whole thing was an attempt at critical level edgy humour to make up for their lack of success. I really doubt they were after 9-10's, thats a typical blooper response. This was just their way of building confidence, finding meaning to their situation, whether they were aware of it or not. They were trying to find power in accepting that they were undesirable. It was quite an experiment.

It was an excuse not to try hard more than anything.

I didn't take it that seriously. I don't think they did.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234561 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, but there was a lot of permanent victim mentality; in a sense, they weren't that different than the SJW's. One could argue that incels are the male equivalent of the radical sjw's, whom are mostly women.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm an incel bro (but i didn't frequent that forum). Always have been. It's easy to resign and say "nothing works" because so far, nothing has worked. Until i find SOME success, the way i unintentionally see it is an 'us' and 'them' situation. Those who 'can' laid and those who 'can't'.

The issue with incels is that they defined themselves by it. And that keeps them in incel territory because they're denying themselves opportunities to remain in, like you said, their victim mentality.

Whatever. Who cares.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234560 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point. I would just start with some self improvement, and you would be surprised.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm improving. Taking me a while to get results, which is fine. Just kinda disillusioned right now and don't really pursue women due to lack of confidence and a few other issues.

[–]Throwawaysteve1234561 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Confidence will come after achievment. Just accept the world is your oyster first. Set small goals and make sure to achieve them, and build self efficacy first. Confidence will come later. In fact, I would argue against one of the red pills basic principlse of appraoch approach approach. If you're at the incel level, approaching will just destroy the shred of self esteem you have left. Get an achievment under your belt, then start small. Get comfortable just talking to people you don't know, then older/less attractive women, and work your way up. But don't set yourself up for failure. Goals first, game later.

[–]empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What goals should I have? I know you couldn't possibly answer that but just give me an example. I can talk to people fine. Talk to women in a platonic manner totally fine. I can flirt ok but it ends there. Anything beyond that and I switch off for self preservation.

[–]arturowise7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The black pill (incels) is not compatible with TRP, so don't be afraid of actual incels migrating here

[–]Rudeyyyy5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Accept the ones who are willing to learn and try to better themselves and ban the ones who only troll and insult without trying to take in any advice or help. Problem solved.

[–]banjew3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please do a backup of the most important articles and the sidebar. This forum will be banned. Hell, look at an article today on newsweek about a chinese hacker, sexycyborg. She went crazy against a "powerful white man" (not even rape or abuse, he wrote some tweets to her) and she named "the red pill" as a cause for her discrimination.

Make no mistake, this site will be banned. It only takes a couple of enraged feminists or SJW to bring it down.

Make a backup! share it!

[–]TheLaughingRhino 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Generally when something gets canned like this, it's usually for reasons of potential legal liability or projecting future bad PR in general.

People start offing themselves and it links back to Reddit in any way, that's not good. It opens up unpleasant social and legal questions.

People get triggered to do something violent to people other than themselves and it links back to Reddit in some way, even indirectly, even if it's just a perception issue, it opens up, again, unpleasant social and legal questions.

Go to the average American public school, like a high school or midle school, and it's easy to say, "These rules are stupid" But look at it from the shoes of the people in charge (Yes, some of them are actually stupid, but many are just trying to get by in a social structure/culture they can't control) While it's dumb to do X and Y and Z to not get sued, they are just trying to keep the doors open the lawyers away.

How it applies to TRP and the manosphere is just keeping things above reproach. Free speech is one thing , I get that, but anything construed towards violence to others/violence to self/public harm, that can't even be joked about. I wish it was different, but not in todays PC society.

[–]kelvin_condensate7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s utter bullshit. Reddit isn’t responsible for the content of their users. Reddit didn’t ban that sub over any legal reason and did it because they ban subs they don’t like. If a sub gets too ‘toxic,’ they ban it.

Justifying censorship is pure stupidity. Gtfo with that shill mindset. Mainstream Reddit has already destroyed its social image as being the ultimate cucks and betas censoring those they disagree with, imposing anti-brigading rules for subs they don’t like while allowing those subs to be brigaded.

The pattern is clear, and it has nothing to do with what you said.

[–]4angrydragons1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The mods here have to control the message.

[–]F_Dingo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe there will be any effect for us be it positive or negative. Generally if someone from that subreddit winds down here they're looking to get out of the situation they are in. Hell, many of the people on this subreddit are sexually incelibate and are working to get sexually active.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't fear them coming here at all. I actually fear this being the next step towards TRP being erased. Censorship is swinging towards TRP. It is literally just a question of when i feel. Dear Lord, we reached the darkest timeline.

[–]Menchstick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They'll go away the moment they set foot here, TRP is the exact opposite of incel.

[–]newls1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to say this if we do get banned.

You do this community more of a service by going off reddit and putting life into practice.

[–]Rhenthalin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're more likely to end up at MGTOW I think.

[–]take1fortheteam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want flairs with timestamps on how long each user has been on TRP RIGHT NOW!!! We need to see who is just joining and who the vets are.

We can spot people trying to sabotage this sub if we all have little dates next to our names.

[–]Jonlife1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well now they have no choice but to head over to the red pill lol

[–]InbreadSourdough1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Could you clue me in on what that sub was?

[–]red-arctic-tern0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just a collection of memes basically, for men in involuntary celibate. They didn't do anything to improve themselves.

[–]mugniftw1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So help me out, was that sub just a pity party for people who really believed they couldn’t get laid?

[–]ovrload0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most were legit, some were trolls to stir shit up.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the front page reddit thread about the sub getting banned, they say that a guy in "disguise" as woman was asking weird stuff around rape especially how rape victims are caught. Like he was planning a rape...

Same thread contains a link to a youtube video about a guy that uses a fake photo to get tinder dates and then when they as expected leave, he starts whining and raging at them. It's sick. Really, really sick.

[–]Avskygod01 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, we abuse the situation, and aggressively redpill them

[–]-The-Pussy-Whisperer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They were banned for several rule-breaks regarding solicitation and promotion of violence. None of that occurs here

[–]amirican1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a way to make a subreddit invite only, or make it application only (similar to closed Facebook groups)?

[–]nzgs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You already allowed this place to be hijacked by PUA idiots so I don't see how it can get much worse with the incels coming here. Been a long time since this sub had anything to do with the red pill.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Why do you say this? I'm new to the sub

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Move to V o a t (Reddit alternative site).

The inhabitants of MGTOW subreddit would migrate to V o a t if their sub is banned.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Reddit is completely inferior to 4chan and you guys should have never expected anything from this gay site.

[–]Arabian_Wolf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For TRP mostly the sidebar and a handful of golded posts that need saving, most posts are actually are not essential, and at best cases, primitive rehearsals of what’s already in the sidebar.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On a related note, I was banned from the MGTOW sub for saying that it's morally reprehensible to call for a hit on the mother of your child, even if they are batshit insane and looking to rape your wallet for excessive "child support."

[–]mallardcove1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They already post here in droves. They just identify as MGTOW instead of Incel.

The only difference between MGTOW and Incel is that MGTOW celebrate the fact they are incel, incels lament the fact and are sad about it.

[–]meaningintragedy3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mgtows aren't necessarily incels. Actually many of them have been married or in LTRs before it went to shit.

[–]maggieG423 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As a woman who occasionally reads a post from TRP I can honestly say what I think will get you banned.

Now sometimes I agree with what the person has written and see their argument as fair and thoughtful even though it may not paint women in a good light. But those arguments are usually fair, not bitter and not painting all women with the same brush.

The arguments I have problems with seem to be from very bitter people who may have had a problem with one woman or a few and then bitterly and angrily spew venom about all women. They also seem to be trying to push other members to hate women and treat them like shit. Cut the attitude this is all women crap and I don't think this sub will be banned.

[–]Juan-San8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The arguments I have problems with seem to be from very bitter people who may have had a problem with one woman or a few and then bitterly and angrily spew venom about all women.

Anger is one of the stages of grief. You NEED to be angry in order to move on to the other stages. Why are some new redpillers angry? Because their worldview just shattered. Because they were divorce raped. Because they realized their unicorn was just a horse in disguise.

We've been deceived. It's natural to be angry after being the fool without realizing we were. And it's also the natural course of things to overcome that anger and move on with our lives. Those who aren't able to do so might have a loose screw in their head.

[–]anon_throwaway02 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You being a women will never be able to see it from the mans view. If other men are bitter and angry even at 1 women let them be. Its good.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , Read the sidebar rules, don't start your post with as a woman.

Your genitalia does not add to your post. Don't write like it does.

[–]Throwaway_52521 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What I found more disturbing then the users themselves at incels was the people who went their to laugh at their misery. So yeah, I'm glad it's banned.

[–]Andgelyo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m cool with incels coming in here trying to better themselves but any of the “ Kill yourself if you’re not 6’2 White Chad and athletic” movement rises and we are gonna have a problem.

[–]victor_knight3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Half of them are in the MGTOW subreddit anyway; now they'll all move there and call themselves MGTOW "monks", shaming and scolding anyone who even talks about sex or getting laid.

[–]commander_zoidberg10 points11 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Why the need to slag us off bro? I'm sorry we're not as "alpha" as you. I always thought of you guys as comrades in a sense. You embrace the red pill. Where as a lot of us embrace the black pill. We don't have your genetic gifts. A lot of incels are physically deformed or short (I'm one of the exceptions at a meager 6ft even) and even more of us are somewhere on the spectrum, a lot towards the severe end. My analysis of women's mate selection methods indicate most of them are designed to weed out autism. I don't have the status symbols, the looks, the full head of hair, the social skills or 30 hours a week to spend in the gym.

You guys need to watch out. I think secretly a lot of the SJW's and roasties on reddit hate you even more than us. At least we will never actually get to fuck a woman without paying for it. You guys fuck women left right and centre and will father many children with various women. Essentially defrauding those stupid bimbos who wanted alpha genes for their offspring and got beta ones instead. You also show how vacuous and simple minded women are that a little genetic luck combined with some cheap tricks will get them on their knees sucking your cock so quickly.

I would recommend setting plans in motion now. We never really had time to implement the plan properly on incels. We planned to make a list of all the current members and spread around among them a place to rendezvous if we got deleted. It looks like it will take us some time to rebuild our user base. We'll be back though. I wish you guys luck in the wars to come.

[–]TheDreadnought1[S] 21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I understand your point. But basically everyone that built and came to TRP were incels, or at least beta dudes that were cheated on or divorce raped. Our base is basically the same as yours. The difference is that in here we advocate for self-improvement, knowledge, dominance, and essentially getting better to get what you want in life. What I saw at incels was the exact opposite: defeatism, rage against every fucking one, acceptance of failure, and a powerful echo chamber on distorted half truths about women and relationships.

I can relate to what you're saying and where you came from, but you're here advocating for a sub that more than a rant place for that ones too deep on failure, transformed into a hate place, where people encouraged rape, murder, an absolute point of view that every women is a whore and everyone who does well with them is evil and an asshole and other absurd things. I'm a strong supporter of free speech, so to me whatever, but that turned the rage and censorship of the outer world BPs onto you, and subsequently to every place even remotely connected to you, TRP included.

I know that eventually they'll come for us, but one way or another we'll survive

[–]commander_zoidberg5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Our bases are somewhat different. We incels are the all singing all dancing unwanted degenerate bastard trash of humanity. None of us have ever had a relationship in order to get married and then divorce raped in the first place. Women hold child molesters, gang members, murderers, hipsters, genocidal maniacs, druggies and hopeless alcoholics in higher esteem than men like me. I'm sorry dude. We are what we are. Our death warrant was signed when our chromosomes did the old swaperoo at conception. No amount of lifting, kunfidence or self improvement is going to get any of us laid. I'm glad you guys are on the right side of the genetic lottery and all. I think you don't like us because not being in control scares you more than anything.

I think your espousing SJW talking points about incels. Occasionally some members engaged in some trolling or venting (made worse by autism). Most of it trolling the subs devoted specifically to harassing us none stop. Triggering normies and roasties alike. Some of the worst incidents of threats and stuff which was posted was probably a false flag done to discredit us by the very normies who devoted their lives to stalking us. Also TRP is basically built on the philosophy that all women are simple minded whores. TRP advocates using certain behaviors to take advantage of women's true nature to satisfy your own ends. Specifically focusing on the dark triad of personality traits one of which is sociopathy if i remember correctly. I think incels and TRP's views of women are pretty much bang on. We just start out from different points. You guys tend to be on the right side of the 80/20 rule where as we are very much on the wrong side of it.

[–]empatheticapathetic7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're putting too much status on looks bro. You can get laid but it's gonna be 30+ women, retarded women and ones with an agenda. I'm an incel and I get interest from such women but haven't acted on it, yet (for medical and other reasons) But I intend to. I honestly don't have a problem with it because not being an incel>being an incel. Even if the bitch is a 40+ used up dumpster. And like you said, there's always escorts (my experience so far).

Yeah, normal women aren't interested. You're stuck at the part where that's 'unfair'. Time to get over it and enjoy the parts of life you still can.

[–]take1fortheteam3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Here You're welcome. Fuck your silly chromosomes thinking they can shit on your life.

Now go after what you want.

[–]thr0w4w4yaway 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Except he won't because of his already fucked up psychology. Another example of importance of education. Sadly, not all have the same opportunitiaes and upbringing. But it is what it is, some win and some lose at the end of the day.

[–]take1fortheteam1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's always worth a shot to help someone out you know?

[–]RedwallAllratuRatbar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think asktrp attracts generally all types of incels. Most guys here seem some kind of intellectual nerds who start opposite of what they should be. This can be easily seen by amount of nerd machismo This is good place to get helpful info and resources, but as a support community it's flat out terrible. Copypasta answers like awalt and lift are plague here, too

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your attitude sucks. You are above average height yet call it meager. Doesn't take 30 hours a week in gym. I've done one solid hour a week with a trainer for 2 months, paid attention to what I eat and had great results. And guess what...women are looking at me more. Working on yourself is all you can do and it works.

That seems to be the biggest difference between incel and trp is that we don't succumb to the kind of emotional nihilism that you are exhibiting here. Many here are winners that used to be losers. Serenity prayer, bro.

[–]phoenixtoast2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Umm forever alone is still up, that reddit was more active than the incel one. But it's days are probably numbered too because a lot of the users are really depressed.

[–]gELSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , and, more importantly, male.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dont care, it was just whining, but if they lay a hand on this subreddit full of golden writing I will rage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mods, if all the sidebar posts plus posts with 500+ karma aren't saved on someone's hard drive now might be the time to think about that O.o

[–]TheseNthose1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What did they get banned for? Didn't they just playfully make fun of themselves mostly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys I dont care about incels. Will this shit happen to this sub?

[–]SonOfSparda3041 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This sub doesn't advocate for suicide, murder, and rape so I think we're fine.

It was a big talking point when spez did his quarterly update ama thing

[–]Hjalmbere2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t matter. SJWs always lie.

[–]gELSK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

// , We are in a post-facts world.

[–]Trvspkt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was just about to post this, mods need to be on high alert 🚨 , winter is coming and I fucking hate game of thrones.

[–]Soakitincider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s probably the best thing that’s happened to them.

[–]red_matrix0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why did that sub get banned? Was it some reddit drummed up PC bullshit or was it for hate speech?

[–]ohyeawellyousuck0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What was incels about? Never heard of it.

[–]CloudGuide0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But the recent crop of posts you'd suspect that the incel migration began months ago.

[–]Supermagicalcookie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well awhile back they banned actualjournalism and a few other right wing subs. Those were slightly more right leaning than your average T_D or MGTOW user so I can see them targeting it. However I didn't think they should've been banned as they weren't like some others on the list ( nazi for example) I do think TRP, MGTOW, and Mensrights are next. Especially men's rights seeing as how they have a hate sub for them with near 9.5k subs

[–]okiedokie3210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fucking hilarious lol

[–]ovrload0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem with incels( yes I posted on the sub)is they went too extreme on everything. They had some good points but always tend to over do it. Examples being that looks attract women, sure it helps you get the foot through the door, but to keep it lasting you need have some sort of personality or they will just move along. Most of the incels I’ve noticed were autistic so they struggled talking to the opposite sex and had different interests to them. I wouldn’t blame women for everything. The whole blame has to be weak men giving them everything to the point that it just boosts their ego’s into oblivion.

[–]WeedDaddy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

looks attract women, sure it helps you get the foot through the door, but to keep it lasting

Looks alone last long enough for casual sex.

Many don't seem to realize that tall and handsome really is "godmode" for men in sexually liberal environs, like party colleges or Tinder.

They were upset with the beta provider role nature had assigned to them and, to add insult to injury, female employment taken away.

[–]ovrload1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many don't seem to realize that tall and handsome really is "godmode"

i guess they rather live in their delusional fantasy then face knowing handsome more attractive men have it better. Even if ugly dudes improve there personality so much they become friends with a female, she wont be sexually attracted to them and put them into the "friendzone" while the more attractive male who comes along will be given the option of sex.

[–]crazypants880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if that's what you're taught implicitly by society and popular culture, then what do you expect them to do?

[–]Austonmatthews3450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey guys, just purchase a Nintendo Switch, and lift heavy, you'll be happier in the long run when you realize living free and single is the best way to go.

[–]tolerantman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The cute thing is that people think banning frustrated men will make them disappear, that's not how it works.

Considering how feminist the society we live is, I think its good to have a good dose of misogyny, I mean, women talk trash about men 24/7 literally everywhere, I think they can take a little bit of heat too.

Anyway, they will find another way, another place...

[–]Luckyluke230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does anyone know why they got banned?

[–]gereedf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting to see the diversity of thought within the manosphere displayed here.

[–]zephyrprime0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The real reason it's bad is because it just shows reddit's censorship tendancies and it's social bias. Why exactly was a sub like that banned? Because of violent content? I find that very hard to believe.

[–]Lockman110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your a cancer that needs to be removed from the ass of the internet

Also Barack HUSSEIN Obama turned the frogs gay with SOY implants in there ass cheeks

Also Alex Jones Dick is heavenly

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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