Is it ever actually worth fighting against BP notions and upholding rivaling TRP notions when in a discussion?

October 8, 2014
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Specifically, one of the smartest women I've ever known just posted "10 Ways Men Can Combat Sexist Entitlement in Public" to FB. Its full of just what you'd expect and I honestly shouldn't have even glanced at it like it did but for christ's sake, the girl has worked for NASA and has twice the brains I do and I'm not the only one seeing her that way. I can just see it now, she's got some young impressionable cousin that reads this and shows it to two of his friends... and overnight there's 3 of em out there, telling other friends that taking up less space when sitting on a bus will make girls like you.

So how do we win this larger battle? What promotes TRP over BP better? Staying quiet and hoping minds become open and seeking, or bringing up TRP views and just weather the maelstrom of opposition that inevitably follows?

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Title Is it ever actually worth fighting against BP notions and upholding rivaling TRP notions when in a discussion?
Author Swiss_Cheese9797
Upvotes 3
Comments 16
Date October 8, 2014 6:07 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Biological urges always trump smarts

Street harassment can be hitting on a women with whom you have no context or relationship.

(unless you are attractive then it's romantic)

[–]Swiss_Cheese9797[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I actually like asking women what the definition of hitting on means cuz I find their explanations fascinating, no two are the same. Once I did ask my friend rosy and she said the difference between flirting and hitting on is if she likes you or not lololol.

[–]knitro 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It's a very male thing to have such a strong drive to be a missionary or ultimately martyr, but it's a waste of your time.

You can bring a horse to water but you can't make it drink. All you can really do is guide people this way when they seek it out. Engaging in rhetorical arguments doesn't really serve any cause.

[–]_Dog-2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Help abroad is spite at home.

[–]sir_wankalot_here0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preach bluepill practice redpill :-)

[–]1Ronin11A5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Short answer: "No."

Long answer: "Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Robert Heinlein.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Continuing with animal quotes: "It’s like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it’s victorious."

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two methods to this:

A.Machiavellian Style: Concur with people's BP ideologies while displaying none of them. It's the old say what you'll do but never do what you say approach. Beta Words/Alpha Actions.

B.Caveman Style: State, sans emotions, but with utter certainty, your stance on something, and then move on. Do not, under any circumstances, re-engage.

If you feel the need to try and "prove yourself" and you think you're going to do it with your words and not your actions, you've exposed yourself as a fraud anyway.

[–]Pornography_saves_li2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ignoring the crazy is what we have been doing for decades. Speak up (especially if you don't want to fuck her). Hold your frame.

You'll be surprised at the response you will get.

[–]2IVIaskerade1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As with everything, you cannot be open about it. Be subtle. Find the right people, the people who might still be following the programme, but can't help but feel that there's something about the information they've been given that's doesn't quite jibe with their experiences.

The others are a lost cause, too deep to pull out. They will actively resist your attempts to help, and will incite others to ostracise you as well. Such is the way of things.

If you look deep enough, you might even find that there are a lot more people like you than you thought - they're just not showing it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

You use your knowledge to understand the inner psyches of those BPers. In doing so, you can use them to reach your goals. An excellent example is Napoleon, who said that, "a man will fight long and hard, just for a piece of golden ribbon".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. People have their beliefs and you have yours. If those beliefs don't pertain to you as a person, it's nothing. If it's a personal thing, do what you have to do. Just never stoop so low as to get in an argument over whats basically an ideology. That shit shouldn't define you or anyone else.

[–]BrunoOh0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

one of the smartest women I've ever known

You'd be surprised to learn how counter intuitive intelligence actually works in matters like these.

Have you ever noticed those young-earth creationists (YEC) with (actual) PhDs? You've probably wondered 'How can these obviously intelligent people believe the bullshit they believe?', right? The obvious reasoning behind this is that the smarter you are the better you are at discerning fact from fiction.

What is the case with YECs and this girl is that they have cognitive dissonance and have had to compartmentalize their crazy beliefs to keep them afloat against their logical reasoning. In TRP terms, their hamster is rabid. The more intelligent you are, the easier it is to come up with bullshit to keep the compartmentalization intact.

So how do we win this larger battle? What promotes TRP over BP better? Staying quiet and hoping minds become open and seeking, or bringing up TRP views and just weather the maelstrom of opposition that inevitably follows?

YECS (and radfems) spew as much bullshit they can to overwhelm their opponent. You can't win the debate because it piles on quicker than you can disprove it. In this we can learn from atheists like Hitchens, Nye, Dawkins, Krauss, Harris and their ilk. Watch their debates and learn.

The golden strategy in this case is to not to try to sway your opponent. Instead, use ridicule. Give them enough rope to hang themselves. Focus on the audience; demonstrate just how idiotic radfem is.

Oh, and don't mention the red pill. You'd be surprised how accepting people are of red pill truths if you don't distribute them as such.

[–]zpatriarchy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i've seen that blog post before. i called him on his mangina blog but he didn't publish the comment.

as to your question, i tried reaching out to 2 young men on my blog. they chose to ignore the advice. it depends how much you want to help other men. i still try but i'm not going to spend too much time on it.

[–]Sgtballz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Put a woman on male Testosterone therapy for as long as she can without permanent effects and I bet this shit disappears over night. She may even realize she flushed a couple degrees in the process.

[–]anonlymouse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. My feminist friends now post a lot less bullshit on facebook than they used to.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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