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[–]lillojohn 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I subbed to trp with my main reddit account 2 years ago. It really has changed. It almost all changed to the look women have it good and bad we have it mentality.
'Ooh look that slut, she is so stupid. She has sex with a lot of men. Look at that hamster.' Bringing someone down to build yourself up is fucking beta. You only need yourself to build yourself up, no external factors.
I also hate that feminist post, why focus on the fucking feminist if you are only going to complain about it and do nothing about it. I don't live in America, it doesn't contribute to my smv.
[–]Life_Can_Be_Simple 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
subscribed back in early 2013. this my 3rd account after my first 2 got shadowbanned. But seriously, it' used to be about self improvement back then, now it's all whining about women.
[–]2rp_valiant 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
What you're seeing is correct, and is most likely the result of the recent influx of new users. The culture of "shut up until you're past the anger phase" has died down in response to a wave of noisy redditors who are used to just posting their benign opinions whenever a new thought strikes, and thanks to the revelations we teach leading to these new users getting angry at women, they start ranting and raving about female privilege instead of doing what we say and just learning to accept the reality of the situation.
[–]RP_Vergil 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Those are some valid points being brought up. However we can't expect people to always follow the rules, hence getting them to write a post only to be deleted may serve to help them understand better that this isn't a place to just "Pour out your feels".
What new users need to learn is the reason why there aren't anyway for them to edit Flair unless they are being awarded with one. Plus it's from that which they will be able to filter out Quality post or not.
Yes the massive influx of new users can cause a spike in non quality post (I.E. rants or low quality Field Reports), but it's also from here where the better one shine. Not to mention practice makes perfect, without trying no one will know where he stands, and TRP encourage users to get out of the comfort zone, if that comfort zone means Your post getting deleted or downvoted to oblivion.
[–]iLLprincipLeS3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
the sad thing is i saw some of the best comment replies in burried posts with 0 score. a lot of users just read the title and upvote automatically something about women fucks up boy ; dear abby, my girlfriend divorce raped me ; elevator is sexist and so on.
for fuck sake, i started reading rp in january and the content was more about technique and less about whining, we are just running around in a circle and not evolving with this kind of posts that repeat what we already know.
i want the theory to be perfected, not repeated just because we have each day new users who don't bother reading the original theory.
[–]RP_Vergil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I follow only those highly upvoted post and those from the usual Endorsed Contributors. Not all FRs are worth reading except for a few as well.
One point which was driven across here when I started reading is "Take what you need and leave out the rest."
Not every single post matters, only those I need.
[–]ModMachiavellianRed 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Arguably, read too much of the bullshit and it will scramble your mind. We delete what we can, however, there is so much crap posted we don't notice all of it. Users don't report comments enough, but they don't mind creating topics/posts whining about it. If people cared more, they'd at the very least report bad content. And if they want to go a step further, they could contribute their own content, assuming it's coherent, insightful or otherwise helpful.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I definitely did not want this to come off as one of those complaint type post. Rather, I hoped this might lead to some constructive improvements. And I can definitely appreciate the work put in by the middle considering the subject matter of this sub almost guarantees a shit show if left unchecked.
That being said, I've been reading this sub for a long while but it's only been in the last month or two that I've noticed a sharp turn in the type of content being posted. Hence, the creation of this post.
I have some substantive posts kicking around either in my head or jotted down on notepads but ironically I don't consider them up to the level I would want to publish them on this sub.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ive written some solid posts with hundreds of upvotes and then had men write me directly for help. Ive also taken down a few when the initial feedback was bad and I considered the alternative view point.
Stick around. That other guy in the thread threw a tantrum like my little boy when I say no more ice cream.
One of the keys for my growth here was a learned ability to accept feedback
[–]ModMachiavellianRed 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
hence getting them to write a post only to be deleted may serve to help them understand better that this isn't a place to just "Pour out your feels".
The amount of vitriol we get in mod mail for precisely this is immense. Betas take it personally and start flinging shit like a pissed off gamer. They don't realize we know our job better than they do.
[–]RP_Vergil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's hard if they can't even wake up to see with the anger clouding their thinking.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I so agree with this. I am almost an year into TRP and have only just started commenting. Why? Because I understand that I am in the early stages of transformation, I dont have enough experience behind me to start spitting out FR or discussions. For now I am keeping my head down, lifting, eating proper, dressing proper and enjoying the new attention I receive due to my progress. I am observing the trp teachings in real life and using it to my advantage, I am doing all of this but I am not posting. Not until I am convinced that my post will contribute towards the community
[–]2rp_valiant 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
same, I'm mostly reading and occasionally commenting to help the newbies who don't quite understand, with the occasional interesting discussion thrown in. I'm mostly still improving myself and reading the new posts that come out that actually turn out to be useful.
Yes. I sort of get it why the newbies feel the urge to spit out all they feel, but amongst other things I have learned to be stoic and keeping my mouth shut unless necessary. I am loving and enjoying the trp way of life and actually seeing self improvement. No need to scream about it to everyone. Again, unless I feel I can make a valid positive contribution I will stick to reading trp or side bar material daily and improving.
[–]testonator 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TRP is growing very quickly, more and more guys are waking up and starts to religiously follow the sub. I found the sub a couple of months ago and has devoured anything that I can relate to in terms of real life so although I experience the same decline in quality posts, the majority of things that end up on the front page is things that I can relate to.
However, TRP has a community like I've never seen before. The endorsed contributors and well known names here radiates a kind of macho-ness that before I took the pill was just a parody of the stereotypical meathead/alpha guy that a lot of guys make fun of, but also stride towards at the same time.
Tons of guys, myself included wants to be a part of that, which leads to a lot of guys jumps the first opportunity to in any way contribute their new found knowledge. The flood of Shitty FR's, AWALT posts, stories from past exes behaviours etc makes the content go backwards as a new wave of guys are unplugging.
This affects the sub in both positive and negative ways and I myself would not have anything against harder moderation on this part, the new post guidelines was a great start. The question is if harder moderation of shitty posts would lead to more and better posts or if it would just lead to less content being posted.
[–]TomDemian2 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Tons of guys, myself included wants to be a part of that, which leads to a lot of guys jumps the first opportunity to in any way contribute their new found knowledge.
Yeah but it's the equivalent of a guy taking a freshman course and going "Holy shit this has opened my eyes!" and then trying to teach the course.
Most of the people posting threads simply don't have enough experience to back up their words.
The question is if harder moderation of shitty posts would lead to more and better posts or if it would just lead to less content being posted.
It means less content being posted, but that's not a bad thing. Quality takes time. And quality posters are not going to make posting in TRP their priority, nor should they. Nobody's getting paid for this.
[–]testonator 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I fully agree.
The amount of quality content will rise with the time it takes for people to get experience worth expressing here. I think this is why internet communities tend to turn to shit over time.
Any guy unplugging gets blown away by the new way of thinking, a reality check takes place which is extremely powerful but I think this is just the beginning, this stuff hasn't been around for a very long time and we only skim the surface of something bigger.
What should be done to prevent this community from turning to shit? Harder post guidlines? More moderators? Locking new members from posting for a set amount of time?
[–]Lt_Muffintoes 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think there was a lot of tone policing, which put people off posting. That may improve the fraction of quality content, but as the quantity seems to have declined sharply, the absolute number of quality posts declines.
I liked the field report stuff.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Why not create the content you wish to see rather then bitch about it?
[–]TomDemian3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link
From OP's post:
My suggestion is two fold (1) tighten up on such "complaint" posts, and (2) periodically institute topics or themes to spark quality posts. An example of such could be a day game cold approach topic whereby users would be encouraged to find a day that week to do some day game and post a field report. I'd also like to see more topics about self-improvement outside of simple direct sexual attraction i.e. business development etc.
That sounds like solid suggestions to me, not "bitching".
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Its concern trolling, discussed on the sidebar no?
[–]TomDemian3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
It's constructive criticism.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Mods specifically asked for "state of sub" concern troll posts not to happen.
Perhaps /u/tomdemian is exempt? You dont want to play by the rules because youre special? Or you just trying to AMOG the EC?
Either way you look foolish
[–]TomDemian1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
Okay but do they want all "state of sub" posts not to happen or just the ones that are "concern trolling"? Like I said, this thread is constructive criticism, not concern trolling. If this thread breaks the rules, it should of course be deleted - but I think a forum that deletes threads like these wouldn't be a good forum to be in.
Perhaps /u/tomdemian is exempt? You dont want to play by the rules because youre special?
I didn't make this thread. I'm talking about what the OP did. Why are you talking about me?
Or you just trying to AMOG the EC?
I don't give a shit if someone is endorsed or not, I judge people based on the quality of their posts.
It's interesting that when someone disagrees with you, you make clumsy personal attacks in an attempt to lower my value. It's interesting that you point out your EC status in an attempt to raise your value.
It's almost as if you're not very good at debate and you have to resort to clumsy deflection tactics the moment someone disagrees with you.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you are right and I cant debate or think for that matter. Ill try one more time and you tell me if I got the hang of it:
The post was deleted.
Did I persuade you yet?
[–]TomDemian1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
If you wish to persuade people, you should present more compelling arguments.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I must have persuaded someone right? The silly post is gone.
Some folks cant be persuaded when their ego gets in the way...is that you?
[–]TomDemian1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Your argument is that "A moderator deleted it, therefore it was bad". I don't accept that argument. I believe that moderators can make mistakes, and that they've made one in this case.
I've asked the mods about this. I'll see what they have to say. They might convince me that I'm wrong, but you certainly won't.
[–]MrRexels -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I though concern trolling was grounds for removing posts, what's this doing here?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Meh; you're thinking that there is a strategy. There isn't. You don't win with women. Period. You just don't. Self development can only go so far; what's left after everyone on TRP is lifting so hard they're swole?
(Or maybe it's that you need complainers like me to feel Alpha anyways; because that shit is a comparative and cannot exist without those lesser. So even then; your entire world is immoral and should not be.)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Think you meant to reply to a different comment of mine and not this thread but I'll respond anyway.
There is absolutely a strategy and plenty of men "win" with women every single day. Although to be certain a real win is a win-win where both parties create something bigger than the whole. We commonly refer to that as a family and/or healthy LTR.
Self development is a never ending process. It simply doesn't go only so far. Lebron James is still honing his skills as a basketball player even though he's been the best at the world for years on end. Einstein was working on his theories until he died. Etc. Etc.
If you think the extent or self improvement is being a gym bro you are missing the forest for the trees.
Alpha is not inherently comparative. I don't even like to get caught up in the word considering its mostly just an imperfect label to describe a social occurrence that is difficult to put into words.
The word you're looking for is amoral not immoral. Big difference.
No; I'm using the right word, you just didn't get my meaning. I'm saying that existence itself is immoral; it's wrong by virtue of being. Everything about it is only predicated on pain and misery; or at least, relative pain and misery as we glare at one another to see who has more.
And LTR's don't work; because women will always fuck you over if you're not being someone you're not. (IE holding frame. And how is frame any different from hamstering; you're still lying to yourself to keep from cracking.)
Wrong. TRP is not immoral. There are two levels to TRP: knowledge and strategy. Knowledge is inherently amoral. Strategy can be immoral or moral all depending on how you apply it. More importantly, while knowledge is ubiquitous, strategy is inherently personal. Your individual characteristics and goals will cause your individual strategy to change. If you have immoral goals your strategy will be immoral but that doesn't mean TRP is inherently immoral. Rather it's just a simple tool for you to learn how to achieve what you want in life.
LTRs work. I know many people who are in happy LTRs. Are they easy to maintain? Absolutely not. Do they take a ton of work to maintain? Definitely. There's a reason a common saying on TRP is that a LTR and marriage especially is the ultimate test of ability to hold frame.
Your comment regarding hamstering and frame shows me that you don't understand the basics.
Hamstering is what occurs when you rationalize an action that you, deep down, know to violate your own "code of actions." Absolutely everyone hamsters. You hamster when you're dieting but decide to eat that tub of ice cream or slice of pizza ("It's just a one-time cheat, I've earned it!"). A woman hamsters when she cheats on her SO and comes up with any rationalization she can to remove her own agency from the situation ("It was just oral"; "I was drunk"; "He came on to me"; "I was on vacation"; etc. etc.). A person hamsters even when they procrastinate on doing something and instead drain their mind watching TV ("I have more time"; "I'll do it later"). Your hamster is that lazy, excuse-making, lack of agency having piece of shit voice in the back of your head that allows you to fall into mediocrity.
Frame is entirely different and best understood through examples given that it is difficult to articulate. Everyone has a method of operation and depending on the situation your operations might change. The important aspect is that while two or more people interact their frames will collide. In some situations the frames will all be similar and therefore there will be frame "breaking". For example say you and your buddies all meet up to watch a football game or smoke a bowl. Your frames will likely be rather similar and therefore they will not break each other.
In other social situations people's frames will diverge and either there will be a confrontation or one frame will break and the dominant frame will determine the social norms. For example, say a cop pulls you over, it's likely that act will cause your frame to break and you will adopt his method of operation (i.e. frame). Another common example would be in a class room, as a student you will either adopt the professor's frame or you will kicked out of the class. Understand?
The other aspect of frame is that the dominant frame is the active individual while the servient frame is the reactionary individual. When it comes to sexual encounters this is why it is paramount to be the dominant frame. Woman crave a dominant man. If you allow your frame to break you've already lost you are now square in the friend zone. She is the dominant and you are her emotional tampon.
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