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It's been said before: Maintain Frame

May 7, 2014
36 upvotes

This is something that gets discussed a lot around here, obviously. It's the core of TRP philosophy; self control. However, most of the time, this is discussed as a response to a shit test. Either that, or just using "maintain frame" as a way to respond to some outside element that requires taking action in some way. What I'd like to emphasize here is that maintaining frame is something that should be static, not dynamic. You should always be unshakable. You can't just "turn on the frame" when you're trying to pass a shit test and expect it to work.

The second point I'd like to address about frame is the reason why it's important. As stated above, the majority of the time it's discussed here is to demonstrate value to a girl when she's throwing shit test after shit test at you. Though this works, this line of thinking is coming from a place of neediness. Wanting to maintain frame for the purpose of passing a shit test is still beta(ish) thinking. It's not a means to an end. It's simply a way to live. Maintain frame to demonstrate value to yourself above all others.

Don't expect to reap instant results from maintaining frame alone. It's very likely that even though you maintained frame, passed shit tests, and did everything right, things sometimes just don't go your way. This is why we do it for ourselves and not the benefit of a girl or anyone else. So that when you experience rejection, you are comfortable enough in your own frame to not let it get to you.

tl;dr: Don't expect anything special from maintaining frame, just do it because it's the best base to build your value off of.

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Title It's been said before: Maintain Frame
Author jobs33ker
Upvotes 36
Comments 23
Date May 7, 2014 8:14 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan14 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

just do it because it's the best base to build your value off of.

I just want to chime in and say the best way to hold frame permanently and not have to bother exerting effort into the endeavour and slipping into involuntary reversions of betatude is to get fucked over in life, alot, preferably have failure after failure, disappointment, betrayal, a little bit of poverty never hurt in fucking someone up, in fact one would argue its the seasoning for someone looking to become strong, if this sounds like you? Great, that's more delinquency to work with! I sound sarcastic but that's my humour, I'm deadly serious (thought I'd clarify that for the sake of Poe's Law.) Then take all that painful energy you feel and turn it into a calm, controlled, intolerant rage by applying your anguish to learning about the dark triad. You'll be fine. You won't feel like you but the original you was getting fucked up the ass in life and unless you're gay I doubt that was an entirely pleasurable experience. Your choice.

PS: On the dark triad thing, reading+pain are a good combo and may be enough for some, however if you haven't experienced enough BS what really helps is being around naturals, after all they do say you are the sum of the 5 people closest to you, naturals will keep you on your toes, like a professor mentoring a freshman you will be in awe of the fucked up mechanisms behind how they operate and will subsequently learn a lot.

[–]Idrinkjdbythegallon5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This especially that last part. And understand proper frame takes a long time to build. As was mentioned, its a combination of life experiences. Frame is how you view and handle the world. Also, frame is one of the leading parts of your reputation. It will proceed you because as people aren't very good at identifying it, they are very good at conveying it.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It will proceed you because as people aren't very good at identifying it, they are very good at conveying it.

Do you mean they aren't good at conveying and so thus are good at identifying? If so, that makes sense. If not, please clarify.

frame is one of the leading parts of your reputation

This is a gem. Good stuff. Sometimes pointing out what is seemingly obvious to some can help many to form a more refined understanding of a concept.

[–]Idrinkjdbythegallon1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I dont think people actively can identify what makes/is "frame", its just something they sense. What I was getting at is when you are described to others by a person this person both consciously and subconsciously describes your characteristics and via their body language, word selection, narrative and so on, the listener is already able to get a perception of your frame without ever meeting you.

Example: girl describing guy to girl friend " he's so nice"... Guy describing other guy, "yeah, he doesn't fuck around" sense a little frame? And that's w/o the nonverbal communication

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Okay that's what I thought, so basically you mixed up conveying and identifying in your sentence, it makes sense if you swap them around. Thanks for clarifying anyhow.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This shit honestly needs to be fixed.

[–]Manmore0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What kills you makes you stronger.

Agree fully with what you wrote. After all the shit I've been through, what are they really gonna do to me that they haven't tried yet?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can sum up my entire post as a proverb:

"Wear your pain like armour"

or

"Turn your pain into strength and make it a part of who you are"

[–]hntr161 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

great quotes

[–]Asmoreality0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Say hypothetically, one wants something which a dark triad has control over(he's your boss and you want a Pay rise or something similar), due to their sheer unpredictability and ability to unknowingly flick the switch and go"batshit crazy", is there and way to obtain that? And/or battle them mentally for more power over the desired result?

The reason I use a pay rise as an example is because it would be seen as a regular favour, and surely nothing is worth a regular favour to a dark triad. However if it was a one off favour, due to their manipulative personalities They would justify it by thinking about what they could guilt trip someone into in return.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The reason I use a pay rise as an example is because it would be seen as a regular favour, and surely nothing is worth a regular favour to a dark triad. However if it was a one off favour, due to their manipulative personalities They would justify it by thinking about what they could guilt trip someone into in return.

Well leverage can come as a one off favour or making themselves the source of an ongoing favour. There is a lot of power in being able to cut somebody off, if he's your boss, he always has the power to sack you, unless you're so valuable to the company that doing so hurts him. With dark triads your best way is to influence, no manipulate, make them like you, win their favour. That doesn't mean being necessarily supplicative, but you must be someone they like to influence them to do things you like. Anyone can be influenced, even dark triads, the key to battling them is not in direct conflict as things will quickly become very messy and they will beat you with experience and disposition, but rather, to win their emotional favour.

The relevant law to be applied here is law 24, play the perfect courtier: http://48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/2011/05/law-24-play-perfect-courtier.html

[–]Asmoreality0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's utterly fascinating to see how the general consensus in dealing with dark triads is to play the loyal jester. I don't think I for one could ever handle going through that, all the time and effort for something that in the eyes of others would be subsequently small. I think now if anyone asked me for such advice I'd have to reply with "don't bother with that guy"!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every beta in the world is told by women to maintain frame. It happens almost every day.

When women tell men to "be themselves" they asking for frame control.

Independence, fortitude, conviction...frame.

Women look for a man who is more than his current circumstances because it's exactly what women lack. Women are a product of their current situation and environment. Men are not. Women crave what they don't have.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Frame applies to all aspects of life. I work in emergency medicine. I ya crucial to get past the "spinning" (not in terms of plates) phase and focus on keeping cool and finishing the task at hand. Once established, stress and the inoculation of stress becomes something you utilize to process things and you're able to think outside the box, make snap judgements and be aggressive with your decisions in an intelligent manner.

[–]Uedukai1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's simply a way to live. Maintain frame to demonstrate value to yourself above all others.

This hit the nail on the head.

[–]boscoist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. You all can read as much as you want but like the fighter jock story last week, you will fail until you don't need to think about it. Its doubly true with maintaining frame. That said, failure is NOT a bad thing, failure with a woman is a transient learning experience. I would advice everyone reading to take a step back after every experience and take a few minutes to reflect on what worked and what didn't and what to do next time.

[–]jobs33ker[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think we're in disagreement.

[–]boscoist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, if you're still thinking about frame in the moment you're going to lose because you're fractionally behind where you should be in every single interaction. I just want everyone to be clear on the differences between the theory and the application, which I have yet to be convinced of because this is an internet forum that is exceptionally heavy on theory.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every good character trait takes time and concious effort to build, including maintaining frame.

[–]__ROOSTER__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have the right frame and the shit tests are already won. They don't even try them as in up their minds you will pass it

[–]eccentricrealist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's more or less the law of attraction right there. In order to be ready for an opportunity, you have to always be ready. Otherwise it'll just pass you before you even get a chance to react.

[–]Dishmayhem0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

my strong frame gets me in trouble when angry "alpha" boss has some shit to say and I make fun of him for wearing sandals in april when its cold outside

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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