It's not your height that is your disadvantage, it's your game

bsutansalt · 2015-11-22T01:54:06+00:00

Heh, reminds me of a friend suffering from the opposite: 6'3, good-looking, and REALLY fucking proud of his game, which is actually nonexistent. Girls approach him left and right, and he only has to not fuck up. Whenever I try to gently point it out to him, he goes "Oh it has nothing to do with how I look, bro. You can help yourself, too, by looking up Double Your Dating dot com." Oh, for fuck's sake.

opantinux · 2015-11-22T01:11:09+00:00

Your height is you. Your money, looks, dick size, intelligence, etc.. That's you. And all of those things do affect attraction.

You can't really argue against it either. There have been studies showing women significantly prefer taller men. Even if the shorter men are millionaires and the tall men are poor. TRP is about facts, and the fact is, you have less of a chance with a woman if you're short.

Yes, a short guy can make-up for his height deficiency, but the problem is still there. And it just so happens that height is one of the most important aspects of a man when a woman is analyzing him. It sucks but it's true. You're 6'2", which is pretty much the ideal height for woman of all heights.. And you yourself claim to not be getting sex (despite also implying to be banging "fun sized" girls.. Which is it?), so really why should anyone listen to a man unable to attract women with the biggest advantage a man can have - height? (And also having good hair, cloths, and frame)

I always tell very short guys to be stoic about their height. They can't change it, but they can accept the reality. A 5' male will never make a woman so wet she's in a daze... But that doesn't mean he can't have sex with them fairly easily with the right attributes.

This post overall seems like feel-good crap. A man shouldn't forget/ignore his shortcomings, rather he should either fix them, or make-up for them somehow. And yeah, maybe there is a certain midget named Tyrion out there getting more poon than he can handle, but since when are outliers proof of anything?

afroose · 2015-11-22T02:55:03+00:00

Hey we are on TRP, stop saying nice stuff all members should be ok with the harsh truth. I don't know who you are trying to trick here.

somewhere out there is a midget getting his dick ridden by what he perceives as a giantess and he's not complaining.

It's 1 small guy on 50, it's like saying: somewhere out there a 6,2 guy with a trendy haircut, well spoken with some muscle doesn't get girls, so all the 6,2 guys can't get girls. It's 1 tall guy on 50.

because you don't get laid doesn't mean height is nothing it only mean that if you hadn't height it would be a lot harder for you.

2015-11-22T19:26:27+00:00

I've said it before and I will say it again.

If you are tall, not fat, and ok financially (not even balling, just ok) then you literally have to talk girls out of fucking you.

They come up DTF, whatever you are doing your game is so bad that you are talking them out of fucking you.

Short guys (under 6ft) have to talk girls into fucking them. Their game has to be tight enough to where they can convince girls that their handicap doesn't matter.

I am just about average height. Occasionally though I find myself being one of the tallest males in the room. I notice it most when I wear some work boots that add like 2 inches to my stature. Shit changes. Girls treat you different. Dudes treat you different. I get the benefit of the doubt and all ties go to the tall/taller/tallest guy.

jmotrain · 2015-11-22T08:29:35+00:00

If you are short, at least be jacked to compensate. I'm only 5'7-5'8 and weigh 143 pounds, so I'm short and skinny. I've gained about 7-8 pounds and I've been getting compliments on working out and looking better. My goal weight is 160 pounds, I'd like to see if that will make a difference with women.

Even so, I've still managed to get laid even being short and skinny. However, it is definately a hinderance. The guy who I see get the most poon effortlessly is 6'4 (well I'd say two guys; the other one is 6'2).

The bottom line is height won't make or break you but being short is like being on hard-mode. You must compensate in other areas. Also, you are probably never going to be any woman's ideal man. So personally I think you should just pump and dump as many woman as possible if you are short. Forget about LTRs.

Transmigratory · 2015-11-22T17:26:31+00:00

Tall guys don't realise how height helps. Short guys know how it defo helps. Average guys know yet dunno since they're the standard (short and tall being marked deviations from the standard).

Game is important no doubt and factors like looks, race, height etc shouldn't be harped on just because you refuse to look at your game/pitch/sales tactic etc.

However we can't pretend factors like height don't matter. Assuming two guys are perfectly the same in every way except one is taller. The taller one will do better. Plus when women think of their ideal hunk, a tall guy tends to fit the bill.

That said things are never all equal, we're all different. Sometimes, like in sales, you won't make the sale because the customer just isn't interested in what you have to offer (possibly because of your height). Or it was because of your piss poor pitch.

That said, pick up is probably easier than sales tbh.

draquish · 2015-11-22T02:25:18+00:00

5'7'' here. Broke. Tallashell gf.

Quit yer bitchin'

IronMeltsinmyHands · 2015-11-22T03:35:36+00:00

I've had guys tell me, "If I looked like you, I would be getting grade A pussy."

I'm not tall, but I am attractive. While my height (5'6) puts my at a slight disadvantage, it is not, entirely a limitation. It is my limiting belief that my height stops me.

With some women, height is an issue. That's why I go for tall women. Fuckin Amazons, I like callin em that. They're so much more interested when they've got no choice. Because most guys are shorter than they are.

Anyway, if women don't like short guys, if your game is strong, you can always turn it around. I brought up the fact that I'm attractive to say that, while most women eye fucked me, I did not possess enough game to make them stay.

You can attractive, and still lose the bitch. Just like how you can be America, and still lose Vietnam (burn).

bsutansalt · 2015-11-22T07:01:06+00:00

Height is a natural attraction trigger, so shorter guys need to make up for it in some way. A very simple method for doing so is being built.

Muscularity absolutely compensates for lack of height.

I thought I'd seen how true this was in years past, but this year specifically has been a game changer for me. I'm 39 and my arms have never been bigger and women, once they see the arms, it's apples and oranges the same way it was when I was fat and slimmed down.

Point being, having tight verbal game, keen skill at escalation, sky high status, and being tall and/or built are the building blocks of having high SMV. Not everyone is going to be great at all of that and some things you can't do anything about. Focus on what you can improve and stop fretting about the shit you can't (eg height).

WhiteTrashKiller · 2015-11-22T02:09:38+00:00

You guys are funny..... The height rejection comments from girls are shit tests. It is the first and most easiest to play to see if it breaks your frame. Granted you shouldn't be gaming a 5'10" woman when you're 5'7, but I can't say I haven't tried it. And yes to reiterate, there are those that will just not be attracted to a shorter guy, but there is no reason you cannot bag women of your same height within an inch or so. Here's a prescription to fix your height disadvantage. 1. Make $150k/yr 2. Sub 10% BF 3. Lift 4. Improve your game.

If this doesn't work for you, make number 4 number 1 and reevaluate. Cast a wide net and the fish will be yours.

The easiest comeback for a height shit test is their weight or ass. IE

Her- "Sorry I don't date short guys" "That's ok I usually don't fuck chunky girls, but hey we all have flaws right" with a wink and politely excuse yourself and game the next hottest girl you see..... Cocky OI goes a long way......

Don't say it in a butthurt manner cause then you'll look even smaller.......

Sir_Distic · 2015-11-22T02:51:36+00:00

5'6" It'll take more work to get the higher percent girls than if I was 6'4". But it CAN be done.

I've never let my height define me or determine my successes. Nor should you. It's something you can't change.

awalt_cupcake · 2015-11-22T11:19:24+00:00

...and yet my dick is dryer than the Sahara Desert.

People IRL think I'm swimming in poon.

I am confused. Why do you have a Red Pill Gay Man badge? You are not equating gay males with real females, are you?

CallMyBS · 2015-11-22T01:55:04+00:00

5'6 here, and you're right. Does height help? Sure, it absolutely fucking does, so does money, style, being white, etc. No amount of bitching will change that. However, 90% of it is game, and honestly, if you're unsuccessful, it's your fault.

awalt_cupcake · 2015-11-22T18:28:33+00:00

If you don't know how to interact with women, it doesn't matter how good you look, you won't be getting any pussy. If you do, it's pure luck. I've been a pretty boy since I hit puberty. Always dressed well, always had my hair done, was blessed enough to have a really handsome face. I would need about four hands to count the number of girls that showed real interest in me from then all the way into early adulthood, but I fucked almost none of them because I had no game.

Just being attractive is half the battle. You'll get women noticing you and wanting to fuck you, but if you don't know what to do after you have their attention, you're outta luck.

JimProfitLeninist · 2015-11-23T00:22:29+00:00

The height thing is predominately a western trait. Foreign girls are not fucking retards and know that the average height is around 5'6 and under, even for men.

Women get away with this bullshit in the West because like every other time, men put up with it. Men try to jump those hoops of "I only date tall guys". For women it's a game about how much you'll put up with, and you're putting up with shit before you even gotten to bed with her? No... I don't. I'm legally in the running for a midget, and when some woman lays that tripe on me, (and I mean they get stupid about it. Like they wonder how I physically have had sex. I'm just short you stupid cunt, not inept.) I tell them one of two things.

1: How nobody but Western women give two shits about height so maybe she should educate herself and stop being an ignoramus if she's going to "co-exist" and "respect other people's cultures."

2: I could just cut her legs off with an axe. Then she could have that Fifty Shades of GAY fantasy about "looking up at my man". Or she can shut the fuck up. The choice is hers.

Yeah, that's not A-game to get you laid, but it is A-game to make her feel like shit and go run off to eat a pint of icecream. Which if you ask me is far more valuable. I might technically be heterosexual, but I fucking hate women and love making them feel bad and bullying them. And what I lack in height I make up for in an enormous Napoleon Complex.

RedPill115 · 2015-11-23T02:00:32+00:00

There's 2 things about being tall (I'm fairly tall, I've watched what happens on my own social scene):
1. You get shit tested a lot more. Pass them, and you get the hottest women, but don't know what's going on and you can easily never figure it out.
2. You get approached by a LOT of girls who are not interested in having sex with you. Or...anyone. The tallest guy in the room has a collection of girls following him around who want to like sex, but just...don't. A decade later and the girls are still single, and puzzled that "it" (meaning sexual desire for someone) hasn't happened yet. That doesn't sound so bad right? But these girls will try to keep you single - scaring away other girls, dominating your time, trying to turn you into every girls friendzone. They don't even know they're doing it - they want to make you into a sexless boyfriend. It's very weird.

It's like this - if you're in the middle and don't stand out, a girl only gets so much out of turning you down. The validation she's seeking doesn't go that far for turning down middle of the road guys. But if you're "the guy girls are always talking to", then she gets a huge validation boost by turning you down. If turning you down gets her a bigger kick than sleeping with you, she'll turn you down.

Daniel_Lugo · 2015-11-22T04:58:36+00:00

Height is very relevant. I am 6'2" also and girls always say "I love that you are tall". Before I discovered game Inwas invisible to girls so you are right that game is crucial. However height really helps, no denying it. Status, muscles, money and dick size are all relevant but you still need game.

Red pill can help everything except height and dick size so it is very important that we work out, learn game and focus on our mission. No point pretending height doesnt help, it does. My friend and I unknowingly dated the same girl. He is 5'6" rich, ripped, but no game. She is an easy HB 8. I slept with her, he didnt. She told me it was purely because of his height, she wont sleep with any guy under 6'. Lots of girls have similar rules. Sad but true, so height definitely counts and so does game.

oolevityoo · 2015-11-22T03:16:05+00:00

IDK about this, I reckon there's in most cases a +/- 2" difference between couples I see every day. Also, 5'7" or 8" is probably fine for any girl which is 5'7" or 8" without heels, which is most of them. But I'd say it gets sorta exponentially worse as you get below 5'5" (or something like average girl height), so when you're 5'4" (like me) or below, height does explicitly become a major dealbreaker for girls. It probably can be compensated in many cases for by muscle/money/status/power, but it's more of an uphill struggle than for a regular guy and I guess that's what's moan-worthy. I mean, why else would dating profiles mainly list just their age and height? But then again, there's Jamie Cullum and Sophie Dahl (become a famous musician and you might stand a chance...)

Incubus130 · 2015-11-22T00:14:26+00:00

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nicechallenge · 2015-11-22T05:53:11+00:00

Imo you have to take a sales approach, game is the way you sell the product or the how and your body is the actual product or what are you selling. Both are crucial for being succesful in the sale process. Obviously having a quality product will make everything easier.

MajorMid · 2015-11-22T07:47:20+00:00

I feel like the height shit is just overstated online. I don't know if it's cause men lie about their heights or what.

But I'm 5'9 and I don't think I've ever been called short but it's made me self conscious between all the shit I read on the internet and plus a recent date (who I banged multiple times) said she was expecting me to be taller cause I looked really tall in pictures.

I'd say I'm taller than about 40% of the guys I see on a daily basis here in the states. Feel pretty average. Aside from the recent self consciousness I don't feel my height is a disadvantage. Not an advantage but not necessarily bad either. That said I can't talk for guys who are on the shorter end of short. So I don't know how overstated these things are for them.

Cenki · 2015-11-23T04:27:21+00:00

Most of the time your unchangable attributes arent too bad, but time and time again I wear a hat and switch to bald mode and even the same people who know me well and even KNOW i'm bald while hatted, will switch into disgusting uncanny personalities when dealing with me. Being bald is a mega uphill battle, and having gone completely bald before 17 this test ive tried tons just to see. Its a shame I can't do this test with tallness/shortness though. I sit at a typical height, so I never thought about it.

_Mythos · 2015-12-09T01:01:17+00:00

Being short is a disadvantage, but not a big one. If you're short, I think the majority of girls will have that stigma in their mind when they see you of, "oh look, there's a short guy, he's probably nothing special". But this is just their first impression, and honestly a lot of it is social conditioning. They're trained to have that first impression. It's a biological reaction too, for sure, because they know instinctively that you don't have as much physical prowess as a taller guy of a similar build. But it's also a socially conditioned reaction (at least in the West). Both factors are coming into play.

After she has her initial impression of you, it's not like she'll discount you from being a potential mate just based on that one condition (she may claim she does this, but it's not true). She will still be watching you, to see if her evaluation was right or wrong. If you prove to be really attractive, she'll definitely change her opinion of you. She'll first think.. "Oh, what's this? He's actually got something going on?" and then if things keep going well, "Oh my god this guy's actually really cool and sexy." You know how women are. They can change their minds so quickly and easily to fit with their emotions. Of course, if you continue to display weak traits, she'll confirm in her mind that her initial impression was correct, and that impression will stick and be quite difficult to reverse.

Being short is a disadvantage, but mostly because if your shortness is the first thing she notices about you (and this will be common), her initial knee-jerk impression of you will be unfavorable. But it's just an initial impression, and you can turn it around by displaying attractive traits. In some cases being short can even turn out to be an advantage, because if you prove yourself to be really cool in spite of being short, people will respect that more than someone who is 6'3 who didn't have to work for it as much.

As a short guy, I think it's important to have a balanced view of your strengths and weaknesses. Don't be mad when someone is quick to label you as weak because of your shortness. Expect it. It's what people do. They also make quick judgements about people based on a huge list of other criteria. Everyone does it. But also realize these first judgements are flimsy. They're just a convenience for people. Women aren't stupid enough to actually think 100% of short guys are worthless, weak, and unattractive and cannot have any good qualities. They just have a little stigma programmed into their mind for convenience. You can break that mold. If you believe you 100% have no chance because you're too short, you are wrong, and you have a totally toxic view of yourself and the world that you should work on.

GrimerPua · 2016-03-22T22:01:56+00:00

5'7ish (1.73cm) here. I think everyone should live in a country like Germany for while to experience girls averaging 5.7. While I've fucked a handful of 6/7s here as tall as me, it's simply not easy ramping up on quality even if they all like my thick beard and how jacked and proportional I look.

There's only one way to go here. Height I can't change, but certainly I can improve on other factors that may improve my overall results. There's no easy way for shorter man.

Incubus130 · 2015-11-22T01:01:21+00:00

What I've started to notice is that at a certain point, in the minds of women, muscles start to outweigh height on the tingles scale. Sure, a lot of women want their 6'6" muscled demi-god who descended from the heavens just to swoop her off of her feet... But there's plenty of women who prefer a shorter dude who clearly lifts versus some barebones 6'2" guy.

I'm 5'10", which is "average" for men; and height has never been a problem as most women are shorter than me.

Also, the imagery here is uncanny:

Sure being short has its disadvantages but somewhere out there is a midget getting his dick ridden by what he perceives as a giantess and he's not complaining.

Idioticaz · 2015-11-22T00:26:02+00:00

I only half agree with you. Im 5'7" and have grown up with women around me all my life. My best friend until I was about 15 was a girl so I have never been shy or weird around women. I am good looking, confident, go to the gym 5 or 6 times a week, ambitious, good job with decent pay. However I struggle in the dating department as I am apparently not tall enough, how do I know this? Girls have told me this... and i'm not talking about girls taller than me. I am talking about girl a few inches shorter than I am.

Unless you've walked in my shoes, don't tell me its my game, that shit is tight, every girl thinks she deserves a 6'2" Ryan Gosling.

But don't get me wrong, I do okay... I just dont do as well as my mates who are over 6' and barely have any game.

On a side note - I hate seeing a guy over 6' with a girl under 5'5". Mofo that is my territory, what you got a small d!ck or something? haha /sarcasm

dxfifa · 2015-11-22T01:39:50+00:00

I saw the comments you're addressing and I made similar points on that thread. Good quality post.

Title	It's not your height that is your disadvantage, it's your game
Author	awalt_cupcake
Upvotes	30
Comments	112
Date	November 22, 2015 12:04 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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