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It's only creepy if your SMV is low!

March 23, 2016
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Saw this video on facebook today and it's completely accurate, the alpha with high SMV can say and do whatever he wants, meanwhile if the beta tries this, he will be beta shame as you saw in the video. This is one concept i wish i had grasp pre TRP, i use to wonder why certain guys can do and say as the please but when i try to do the same shit i would get shame, anyway guys i believe it's a great example hope you like it.

Lesson learned

Raise your SMV before you approach, or atleast know your self worth ( abundance mentality ) one of my favorite laws within the 48 laws of power is this, Be Royal in your Own Fashion: Act like a King to be treated like one, if you treat yourself like someone worth a shit others will too.

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Title It's only creepy if your SMV is low!
Author J_AsapGem
Upvotes 51
Comments 45
Date March 23, 2016 3:42 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]faded_jester28 points29 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When a girl uses the word "creepy" I tend to ignore anything about it. The word basically means "unattractive" today. If a good looking guy did the exact same thing, all of a sudden it wouldn't be creepy, it would be "quirky" or "cute". It's really not too hard to understand what girls really mean when they speak as long as you pay attention to what they do (or did) instead of what they say.

Of course they will feign outrage and innocence should you call them on it, but that's to be expected, the hamster must not have its power questioned lol.

[–]J_AsapGem[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a friend, pretty attractive guy, he slays puss like crazy i've seen this guy walk up to a girl and was like, girl i would give u it in the ass, her response? " lol, what's your name " imagine a low SMV guy doing that shit would probably get arrested for sexual harrashment

[–]TheDonald2k1611 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I came into say. Creepy is a synonym for unattractive/"Your SMV is not high enough for me" in today's world when it comes to women.

[–]catacamas11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When a girl uses the word "creepy" I tend to ignore anything about it

The further irony is that if a guy was genuinely "creepy", she generally wouldn't call him that (in cases where they say it to a guy's face) because she'd actually be scared. If she's confident enough to call you creepy, it's because she thinks you're totally harmless ... if you thought someone was dangerous you usually wouldn't insult them as it might provoke them. "Creepy" is almost always just an insult.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I have always had this paranoia about approaching and flirting because of being so fucking worried about giving off a creepy vibe. Them simply saying "I'm not attractive," as you've pointed out, takes a lot of weight off my shoulders. Thanks man

[–]DforDeadpool39 points40 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

It's only creepy if your SMV is low

Exactly. That's how people's hamsters work.

In my PUA times, we had a Facebook page. There was a fat kid doing approaches and writing field reports. He'd approach dozens of women daily. At least 20 or 30 a day, every day. Want to know how many girls did he get? Zero. And, it was outside his BP PUA reality. As I've mentioned in some of my posts before, PUA is just another BP social matrix for betas who want to fuck. "Well, game = success with women, I have game because I cultivated it for months. If I'm not getting laid, there must be something fucking wrong with my personality.". WHILE IGNORING HIS BIG GUT AND ALL THE LARD IN HIS BODY, SAYING HOW YOU LOOK DOESN'T MATTER IT'S ALL GAME. BP brainwashing is something else, isn't it?

Success with Women = SMV x Game

If you have 0 SMV, you won't get anywhere. If you have 0 game, you won't get anywhere. You'll certainly get more ass with 0 game and high SMV but let's assume it does not happen to not distrupt our model. Have both of SMV and game, you'll slay it.

[–]king_of_red_alphas20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I would actually say:

Success = SMV + Game

No way game is an outright multiplier. As you said, a 9-10 chad could virtually shit his pants and still get laid. Nevermind a celebrity.

Game can at best add 2-3 points to your success IMO.

The thing is, if you are in the average (between 5-7 SMV) that 2-3 point makes ALL the difference.

Less so if you are on one extreme.

[–]Five_Decades7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you heard of the spaghetti incident and Mötley crue? Nikki sixx and Tommy Lee made a bet, who could let their hygiene get worst and still get groupies. So both went weeks, months without showering but the women still lined up. Eventually a groupie vomited spaghetti on Nikki sixx while giving him fellatio due to the stench, but neither had problems attracting groupies.

Try doing that as a low or medium value man. Let your hygiene get so bad that women vomit on you, but still fuck you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it is success = SMV + game + alignment with the girl's values

If you just want to hookup with a girl, and she is aiming towards marriage, you will be less successful with her. In other words, you need to provide value that is in alignment with what she values.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every girl is aiming for marriage. That doesn't override tingles, even if she is already married. American women today have no values. That's why TRP was created in the first place. I also would never tell a girl I just want to hookup. Always dangle the possibility of more.

[–]Dustin_Bromain7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Some PUA guys can cultivate a massive, completely un-deserved ego complex just because they've "approached hundreds of sets" but their success rate is piss-poor. I just don't think that spending upwards of 5+ hours a day approaching 30+ sets, getting maybe 15 numbers, having 10 or so of those be flakes, and closing 2 of the 5 women you have left to be worth my time and effort. And those are generous numbers. Most PUA guys can't even close, they're just approach monsters who scare away all the women.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Some PUA guys can cultivate a massive, completely un-deserved ego complex just because they've "approached hundreds of sets" but their success rate is piss-poor. I just don't think that spending upwards of 5+ hours a day approaching 30+ sets, getting maybe 15 numbers, having 10 or so of those be flakes, and closing 2 of the 5 women you have left to be worth my time and effort.

Now imagine someone realizing this in their mid 30s scrubbing off black nail polish, taking off a furry top hat, and shaving their soul patch.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you read the game by Neil Strauss? His conclusion, after becoming a PUA guru, is that PUAs are wasting their lives for validation from females.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly what I try to tell the younger guys. If you are doing PUA, or talking about psychological manipulation to get pussy...you already lost the war. True "alpha"-hood...you don't give a shit about chasing pussy. You do what you do, you become magnetic (assuming you take care of yourself), and you wind up attracting good shit, pussy included.

[–]Dustin_Bromain2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm friends with Mystery on Facebook. He's a broken man. Sad to see, really.

[–]niceguy_gone_cad1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He got married and had a kid...what you'd expect otherwise?

[–]DforDeadpool5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I just don't think that spending upwards of 5+ hours a day approaching 30+ sets, getting maybe 15 numbers, having 10 or so of those be flakes, and closing 2 of the 5 women you have left to be worth my time and effort.

I say this all the time. Men should have more important things to do. If you're doing what you need to do, your game kinda develops itself anyway.

[–]Dustin_Bromain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth. If picking up women is your pride and passion, you're a blue pill bitch.

[–]laterbatchez3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When you consider how effective that is compared to the typical BP provider strategy though, they're killing it. Spend 10-15 years building a career to fuck one used up bitter hausfrau just long enough to pop out 1-3 kids? Nah, the PUA is far from the bottom of the totem pole.

I think most people here would agree that self improvement + game is better than money and/or approach spam, but no doubt the ROI on approach spam isn't awful, and it's character building for awhile if nothing else.

[–]Dustin_Bromain1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, yeah, it's obviously better than what the typical BP schmuck has to go through in order to get laid; but PUA guys (for the most part) seem to have this bullshit fantasy that looks are a completely irrelevant factor when it comes to a woman's mating decision. It's so stupid. I can't even count the number of times some overweight, out-of-breath 40 year old makes a video saying that looks don't matter and then claims to be banging the hottest women everrrrr. It's nonsense. I'm just frustrated with some aspects of PUA; especially the parts where they refuse to accept obvious truths in order to cover up massive faults of their own. It's pathetic.

[–]masnera2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HOW YOU LOOK DOESN'T MATTER IT'S ALL GAME.

sadly...this one is deeply ingrained in some others skull...following technical instructions/manual or any other what nots is easy...that they prefer it instead of lifting/exercise. Acta non Verba.

[–]tb876701 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There was a fat kid doing approaches and writing field reports.

Ok first of all one of the first things I read when looking up PUA was to take care of yourself, get in shape, nice haircut, nice clothes and that's just the start. This was PUA mind you, just like a week before I found TRP. This guy wasn't doing PUA proper, he might have studied some 'game' but I do remember several mentions of at least attempting to make yourself look better including exercise. There just wasn't a major emphasis on it like masculinity here at TRP emphasizes.

[–]DforDeadpool2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's only lip service in PUA. They say "Yeah be fit, look good" once or twice and for hours they will talk about how important is approaching 24/7. It's like when women say they like kind and emotional men. Lip service.

[–]foldpak1110 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We shouldn't deny that game doesn't work, because I believe it's the most important factor in picking women up. It's kind of like working out. The workouts are most important, but without sleep, diet, and recovery, you'll be shit.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorVasiliyZaitzev6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

General Electric Films presents, "Sexual Harassment And You", starring Tom Brady and Fred Armison.

[–]jiveraffe 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This reminds me of an instance when I was a summer intern at an on-campus research institute. I had seen some girl about the cafeteria at lunch a few times and, not being the most socially graceful butterfly at the time, decided I should double-check my planned approach with a hot female friend.

I asked her how it would be taken if I walked up to this girl, introduced myself, told her I found her attractive and wanted to get to know her. My friend's response? 'Ewww, creepy.'

I never did approach that girl.

However, with the magic of my girlspeak-RPtranslator we find that what she actually said was: 'You have low SMV. Don't do it. I have projected myself into this scenario and will never sleep with you and neither will she.'

I don't remember if she had counter advice. Just be myself? Only if I've been vetted through friends of friends, perhaps?

[–]1AfterC5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Perfectly relevant analogy. You were going to flame out, no matter what.

You know your SMV is sufficiently high when your female friends encourage you to talk to girls. But you'll also hit a point where they get envious and discourage you from talking to more women.

[–]1theoctopuss2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You'll know you've reached that envious point when she starts hating on other girls in front of you.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed this in female friends of mine with obvious lower smv than me. I'm not any more attractive than average mind you so its not much of a compliment to me

[–]dj10show5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

confidence + no results = arrogance

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

if you treat yourself like someone worth a shit others will too.

If you're not worth a damn, then it won't matter. A lot of people have egos they really shouldn't be having. It's not like Michael Jordan with an ego - that's fine. But a server who's 30 and STILL lives with his parents? No. He needs to keep his head down and keep it real with himself.

[–]Endorsed Contributoralways-be-closing10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But a server who's 30 and STILL lives with his parents? No. He needs to keep his head down and keep it real with himself.

But he can do pretty well with flings on Tinder if he simply conceals that and has a great physique and fashion sense.

Don't underestimate how powerful most women's short time horizon for attraction can be.

There are a lot of guys who can bang out a pitchbook in a weekend, a lot of guys who can absolutely deliver to clients, who kill it at work and will go far in industry who aren't slobby, aren't lazy, aren't fat or slothful...

...but they just never stopped being nerdy, low self-esteem, under-confident boys and it kills me to see it.

I wonder if they have fathers, or older brothers, because it should really be those guys' problem, not mine.

Men who aren't trainwrecks or treading water in their work-money life (which I would hope constitutes the majority of TRP readership) really, generally, need to lift more, develop their physique, approach more, and develop their abundance mentality.

Cockiness and cultivated self-satisfaction go a long way towards that.

[–]MoneyStatusLooks 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

But he can do pretty well with flings on Tinder if he simply conceals that and has a great physique and fashion sense.

But he's still a fucking loser.

[–]QQ_L2P0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Look at your username. You only need to give the impression that two of the three are true, especially on Tinder. It's fucking Tinder, not a marriage proposal. If you've fucked you've achieved the goal you set by signing up on Tinder. That's it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorThotwrecker3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah he should work on his life, but he has no reason to go through life head down getting no pussy. He might be a loser piece of shit, but he can still have good posture, speak assertively, and so on. If he's working hard at improving his life, he's earned the right to have some swag in his step.

Bottom line is as long as your confidence isn't just hamstering an excuse to avoid self-improvement (IE, I already fuck hot chicks, why do I need to workout and eat healthy), then it's good confidence. As long as your confidence is helping you, it doesn't really make that much of a difference whether it's founded or unfounded. Obviously founded confidence is better, but the 30 y/o server can't have that. Should he go forever alone and be a whiney, head-down virgin until he magically becomes a restaurant owner or whatever?

[–]Gawernator1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That guy can still do well if played right. Fake it til you make it applies pretty much everywhere

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Game essentially stems from overconfidenc though. I'm a cocky motherfucker, always have been. Women will believe it if you believe it. Act like a high smv alpha bastard, and women will think you are. To a fault of course.

[–]jimjam80 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Kid Rock: If you walk around acting like you're the shit, people are going to think that you're the shit.

[–]TheRedStoic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On a bet, a close friend (in my little red trio) introduced himself by a slip of paper. (You have a ___ chance of hitting this tonight).

He won 3/5 times. Nicely done I say. It's all about how much you're desired and your social proof.

[–]nia_kills1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And then 30years later you sue him for rape.

[–]J_AsapGem[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sees john after 30 years " wtf why does he look like that? he was so cool in college, did i really have sex with this guy... i feel disgusted with myself, I MUST DO SOMETHING TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT MYSELF, ah yes.. i will say he raped me.. YES that's it! he force me to have sex with him wow i feel better already. "

[–]MachoMonk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SMV above all. Lmao i got a little buff and lost 145 pounds and all of a sudden IM SO FUNNY and so smart. Used to be an annoying fat idiot. god i still i have 40 pounds to lose and getting girls is like ez mode even being overweight

[–]aazav0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are not desirable, it's creepy.

[–]hailhailhailandkill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't depend on what it is, depends on who it is.

All about perception!

50 Shades of Grey is romantic only because the guy is a billionaire. If he was living in a trailer it would be a Criminal Minds episode.

[–]Endorsed Contributormonsieurhire2-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You completely missed the point.

Why did the women think the first guy was creepy? Look at how he was dressed. The second guy was wearing status symbols that suggested he had money. All things being equal, they'd rather have a guy with money and status.

Of course, this is a gross oversimplification. If you walk into the wrong bar wearing a suit and tie, all the women will glare at you, and you might get your ass beat. In some situations, the guy with the suit is creepy.

Clothes make the man.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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