Lately, I'm getting really tired of your shit TRP

Note to mods: This is not concern trolling but a solid assessment of theory preluded by a reminder of how good communities can get derailed.

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I know... I get it, the sub is growing. And like any growing community, from social clubs, political organizations, and even subreddits, the larger the community, the harder it is to keep it focused.

This is a natural trend, and it happens all the time. Usually groups start as very niche applying only to a small select population sharing similar values and ideas. As it grows, it tends to get watered down. As it continues to grow, it starts attracting more of the general population who aren't really part of this niche, and on the internet, it especially starts attracting a younger immature and inexperienced audience. Once these communities grow and their demo change, so does the narrative. When once the core niche group was once the majority narrative, they soon become the minority. The narrative slowly inches away from being X and closer to Y, and then eventually Z, almost eventually losing all sight of it's original essence.

For instance, Reddit in general used to be primarily focused on world news, technology, and science. As it expanded, it still holds onto that original frame, but now it primarily an image board with filled with puns. Or even an extreme place like SRS which started out as a satire troll group which is now a super serious SJW group. As the size of the heard increases, so does the narrative.

Or a personal experience, I had a friend who ran a club in college. It was designed around doing serious political drives. Most members where political scientist upperclass men/grad students. Eventually they wanted to expand just the 5 or so members, so they started recruiting whomever. They experienced a huge influx of a good 10 members who were mostly younger and eager about politics. However, just like Reddit, they worked on a voting system where the group as a whole would dictate what they'd focus on. It went from issues like doing budget audits, and accountability, to "spreading awareness" of gay rights on campus and legalizing marijuana. Which is all good and great, but the fiscal conservatism spirit of the initial group was now drowned out by the newer younger members who were more concerned with other things. Yes, they were keeping a similar framework, but the organization as a whole had shifted into another direction.

This is TRP today. We've nearly doubled in subscribers in just over a month, which I think is great. But it's starting to see a transition similar to that of what /r/seduction experienced a year ago which started out as a serious community where people could get together and share and discuss strategy and approaches to a sort of "OMG BRO! Just be your awesome happy self! You're number one big guy! Just be AMAZINGG!!!! :p"

Now I'm easily one of the most moderate contributors here, so I feel like I shouldn't even be the one saying this, but someone has to:

MGTOW : This has been all the rage around here since the most recent subscriber spike, so I'll address this first. MGTOW is a very valid and fair way of approaching life. In fact, it's very clearly a part of the TRP lexicon. However, a TRP MGTOW is far different than a traditional MGTOW. In fact, 80% of you self identified MTGOW's don't belong here, and I'd like you to get the fuck out. This sub's side bar defines TRP as, "Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.". This is literally the anti-thesis of most of the MGTOWers around here.

Yes, women can be cunts, and women can be bitches. Women, can't be trusted, and women don't think like men. However, it seems more and more that this is now the central crux of every argument. Men are now saying, "Uggg... this women rejected me. Uggg... She walked all over me like a beta. Ewww.... She cheated on me because I was a bitch. Sigh, she left me because I lack a spine. So now I'm just giving up on women because I'm a beta bitch that gets treated like a beta bitch, and self improvement is too hard! I'm just giving up because I'll never know how to earn respect... WAHHHHHHH!!!!"

/u/weirdinternetstalker summed it up best: ‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony [woman's] blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.’ <tips fedora> - MGTOW

THE FUCKING HAMSTERING! -- You bitches think men are above hamstering? Because if you just look around, you be hamstering. Stop trying to justify your "beta" behaviors as some sort of noble deed. Too many people are trying to twist TRP concepts and blend them with beta behaviors. Here's a paraphrased example of some of this regular shit: "You know what is REAL "alpha"? Paying for a woman's first meal. A REAL man doesn't give two shits about his money. He has no problem giving it out freely, because money just comes and goes. Money is a tool to get me what I want, and since I'm so fucking awesome, I'm going to be Mother Hen and get other people shit. What's really important is to just show her you don't give two flying fucks about any of that superficial bullshit!"

See what I did there? It's using TRP ideas, and reframing them to fit beta behavior. It's rationalizing "beta" behavior to let the person think they are actually "alpha" -- hamstering.

Another: "A real man is chivalrous and humble. As a man he treats everyone with respect at all times. He is always above the pettiness of the plebes." No mother fucker, this isn't the 1950s -- Chivalry is dead. Chivalry may have once had a place, but the dynamics and the rules to the game have changed. It's a man eat man world out there, and no one gives a fuck about you. Keep being chivalrous and passive against challenge, and let me know how well the real world treats you -- Hint: It wont go well. Sure, be chivalrous in the sense of being a decent fucking human being. But today, that's not called chivalry, that's called opening someone's door, or helping a chick with a heavy bag while she goes upstairs. It's not wearing a fedora, placing your coat in a puddle, and paying for her cab.

The Alpha/Beta dichotomy: I know I was using alpha and beta several times earlier, but that was just to make a general point. The truth is, nothing is absolutely alpha, and nothing is absolutely beta. Context is the key to everything. Is calling a women who deserves it a bitch "alpha". Most would say yes. But obviously in most cases where I feel like most of you would be calling a women a bitch -- based off the comments -- is because, well, you let her hurt your feelings and you are butt hurt, which is beta. Is buying a woman a drink beta? For all intents and purposes, yes it is. However, did you make her earn it by doing a silly dance while turning around so you can check her out, then letting her know that you are doing her a favor for working so hard for it? Then that's probably a little more alpha, because you aren't gifting her a drink; you're making her work just for the chance of being tested by you.-- or, she's not just working for the drink, but she's working for the opportunity for you give her a chance, and the drink is just a nice bonus. But did she do all this out of spite and just went through the motions carelessly to appease you and sneak a drink from you? Then you're still probably beta.

I know we speak in generalities, and think we should continue doing so, but there is a point where it just gets fucking annoying when everyone and their mom is trying to argue over WTF is "alpha" and WTF is "beta". I think this dichotomy is creating unnecessary confusion, and instead we should be focusing on how "masculine" something is or is not. When we start thinking of things in terms of masculinity which exists on a continuum, we can then start thinking about how to pull out of us our masculine traits, which with women, ultimately what make those holes tingle.

/rant

So that being said. I really think we need to take a step back and remember who we are as a community. We post FR's and theory in regards to sexual strategy and male identity. We discuss strategies that failed, worked, why they worked, and how to improve on them. We then go out and we report back. We are constantly trying to improve in all aspects of life -- especially with women, and not use the knowledge gained here as a tool for your inner hamster.