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Looks 101

February 10, 2021


Some say looks don’t matter, it's just frame and game. "She rejected you? Its your game bro, just work on your game".

Some say looks are all that matter and no game can make up for lacking looks. "No game can compensate for being under 5'10, its over for average height-cels"

Both are wrong.

Looks are part of the SMV pie chart alongside other factors such as game, frame etc.

Is it 33% looks?

Is it 25% looks?

Is it looks only matter at the very start of the interaction but then ceases to?

I don’t know man, I’m Apollo not Zeus. All I know is it’s a part of the SMV pie. And since you want a bigger SMV pie, it helps to work on ALL parts of the pie.

Remember, girls don't evaluate male SMV the way guys evaluate female SMV. Their evaluation is more holistic whereas with guys, it trends towards being binary. Thats why guys will always want to bang the hot girl unless something is extremely off e.g BPD or believes in MUH patriarchy. Whereas with girls, the guy with the good body can still get rejected for acting like a bitch but the fat confident guy can get still laid.

"But wait Apollo, doesn't that mean-"


"I can get laid whilst being-"

No. Don't try it....I have the high ground. To become the unattractive confident guy, its going to take a hell of a lot more effort than if you just went to the gym. To be that, you are going to need to max out everything else of the PIE, whereas if you just lifted, you wouldn't need to.

Lifting isn't up for debate so just lift m'kay?

Now, lets start from the top to bottom on how to maximise looks.



Make sure you have a certain hairstyle. Don't just "leave it". Don't just let it hang.

Your hair matters. If right now, you don't have a certain style and are just winging it, i'd recommend getting a classic fade undercut. Something like this. Anything with really short sides, and more hair on top. This is what I show to any new barber before I can just say the usual. This does require some upkeep, however, you have to go every 3 weeks to keep the sides short. Ideally every 2 weeks if you can to keep it sharp. Don't get lazy.

Why this hairstyle? Its classic, fashionable, and accentuates your face/head making it more angular. You tell me, what looks more masculine: any of these hairstyles or these hairstyles?

"But Apollo, I want a unique hairstyle, I don't want a basic hairstyle that everyone has!"

Unique doesn't mean good, good means good. And right now, an undercut fade is "good". Now is not the time to find some really cool unique hairstyle...that comes later.

Hair loss/balding/prone to hair loss: I'm no authority on hair loss, Zeus blessed Apollo with a head full of hair...for now. But here's what I do know. If you have early signs of hair loss, just know....YOU CAN STILL FIX IT.

Hair loss is very preventable at the early stages, but you need to act fast and do your research. There are plenty of treatments out there, think Rogaine is a good one, but again, do your research, they each work differently. Use youtube and reddit for this.

If you know you are prone to hairless but haven't started losing hair, I'd recommend taking zinc (more on supplements below). Zinc, b vitamins and vitamin D all have been shown to prevent hair loss. Probably avoid creatine as well since creatine can accelerate hair loss....if, and only if, you are already prone to it.


If your eyebrows can overgrow to become a monobrow, just get a pair of tweezers and pluck those hairs out (never shave the gap in). Or do you want to be this guy? Thought so.


If you wear glasses, get big/medium sized frames. Don't wear grandma glasses like these or this. Ditch any really small frame. They are unfashionable these days. Instead go for bigger frames like club masters, aviators (or aviator inspired), anything similar to those size-wise.

Or just wear contacts.


The best type of beard women like and looks the best on most guys is the stubble beard. Think like the 4/5th day after shaving. That 5 o'clock shadow. Something Like this.

So... how do we achieve that? Get a trimmer and trim it anywhere between 3-5 mm, twice a week.

With this type of beard, you cannot afford to get lazy.

You need to define your beard by shaving/trimming off stray hairs on your cheek. Now, if you are a real red pill supreme 9000 dark wolf alfalfa , you use a straight/cut throat razor for this as such. If not, use a safety razor although I find using a straight razor easier for defining these lines. Both safety and staight razors are MUCH cheaper in the long run compared to normal cartridge razors. You pay upfront $10-30 or whatever for the razor, and blade refills cost something less than $10...for 100 of them.

You can get 100 blades (which cut better than normal cartridge blades and don't irritate) for about the price of 2 cartridge refills.

You also need to make sure the neckline is taken care of regularly. Don't trim the neckline completely straight, trim them with a V/U shape like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAMYLHz7Kk .


When you trim your neck to follow your natural contour of the jaw like such, it really accentuates your jawline and makes it look better than it really as you see with that guy at the end of the video.

This is where the twice a week bit comes in, you can probably get away with trimming the beard once a week, but with the neckline you won't. At 3-5mm, your beard hairs are quite short so just a little neck hair growth is enough to make everything blend in and boom...now you have lost all the angles and definition and got yourself a neckbeard. Congrats.

Thats why you need to trim the neckline twice a week without the guard or just shave it off. If you are going to shave the neck hairs instead of just trim without the guard, I'd probably recommend the safety razor over straight razor. Straight razors cut too close on the neck for me.

Guess the straight razor just mogged me, so I am no longer a real red pill supreme 9000 dark wolf alfalfa :(

Whatever you use, just a trimmer, trimmer+cut throat or trimmer+safety razor, just DON'T USE GILETTE.

They gave you the middle finger, remember?


Take the neck pill, and train your neck.


Look at this guy, he's probably pretty jacked right?


He's not

Thats the effect of neck training. Makes you look more jacked than you are. That and also increased stability of the head decreasing risk of concussion. Just ask Mike Tyson about neck training.

It’s no coincidence that no professional fighter has a pencil neck.

Deadlifts alone won't give you a neck to write home about. So..how do we achieve a strong and yoked neck?

Neck extensions, neck curls, and side neck extensions. Do these. Start off easy, couple times to few times a week. And use light weight at the start. You don't need much weight to train those muscles. Don't start training your neck everyday.

Don't do neck bridges, these place a lot of pressure in the upper spine, it's a nice party trick...but thats really it. Not worth the risk when you have these other exercises.


Lift. Nothing new here. The programme you do matters little especially at beginner-novice stages, any solid programme will give you good growth as long as you are eating and resting right.

If you don't think lifting is worth it, then under the decree of Mount Olympus, I, Apollo, sentence you to eternal damnation in the pits of Tartarus aka r relationship advice. They'll tell you all the lies you want and how you just have to wait to find the right one who will appreciate your bubble gut bonanza.

The one caveat I would add is geared towards those doing 5x5 or similar programmes. There's nothing necessarily wrong with the programme, but I do feel it doesn't address supplementary body parts enough. This applies even more for the upper chest and side delts. Normal bench and barbell shoulder pressing don't engage these parts enough imo.

I would recommend adding just a few sets of incline dumbbell benching on the days you flat bench. Put the incline only one or maximum two above flat. You don't need crazy inclines, that is a shoulder waiting to pop. And please, tuck in the elbows, keep them at 45 degrees. For some reason, everyone remembers to have good form on the flat barbell bench but then everything gets thrown out the window with dumbbell incline benching.

It's the same movement so keep the same form as flat bench.

With side delts, I recommend adding a few sets for them on the day you barbell shoulder press. I like to do a super set where one set is doing a cheat lateral raise up and controlling the negative one delt at a time (look up athlean x shoulder raise) and then doing strict y raises where I lean chest facing on a bench set one/two notches below vertical and raise the dumbbells to make a y position with my arms (Ie raise your arms at about 45 degrees each). Youtube "Y raise" for more info.

These two muscle groups will really help creating that V-taper which is synonymous with masculine men.

But don't skip calf training okay?


I know my fellow e-sport gaming athletes like their vidya games but you got to know, they aren't good for you. They are mentally bad for you: they harness the fact men are human doings and know men derive purpose by doing shit so they put you on square 1 with nothing and make you grind on their game tricking you into thinking you're conquering challenges, and accomplishing something when in reality you are not and instead depriving you of chances of real masculine growth. u/Thotwrecker left an amazing comment about this here. Summarising it wouldn't do it justice.

They are physically bad for you as well. Sitting for extended periods of time isn't good for the glutes, and also promotes ugly forward head posture. What happens is the muscles on the back of the neck get tight and the muscles on the front of the neck get weak creating a feedback loop where you naturally sit more and more with this bad posture.

When you sit, make sure you sit back straight, head back. Be conscientious of your posture.

Thats a preventative measure , but how do we fix this?

Well if you did your neck curls, your front neck muscles would be strong, that just leaves the tight neck muscles. These require stretching. Stretch these before you go to bed for the best results.

This video is good for sorting out tight neck muscles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA3O0NVb-sk

I also do a similar variation on top of this (couldn't find the video for that), but I'll briefly describe it. Put your head, shoulder blades, hips, glutes, and heels in contact with the wall (like the video except this time, put the glutes and heels on the wall as well). Then, tuck your chin in and hold for 45-60 seconds. Breathe deep and on each exhale or so try to tuck your chin a little bit more, you will feel the neck muscles light on fire. For a stronger stretch, keep everything the same but this time let the heels come out forward a bit and hold again for 45-60 seconds tucking your chin in more and more. Do this for 3 sets before you go to sleep.

With this picture, we also see that rounded shoulders is part of the problem and therefore need a corrective stretch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02HdChcpyBs.

I do the stretch he showed for the first minute but just on the floor with a stick. But you can try this with a towel as well. Its much harder on the floor, as you can't cheat as much. Flex your quads above the ground if you struggle to get the bar over your shoulders.

This is a great and very difficult stretch if you have never done this before and have even slightly rounded shoulders. If I miss just one of these stretching sessions after benching, I dread the next session because I know how sore and hard it will be to do it at shoulder width grip. Start off wide do 12 reps, rest and do 2 more sets. The goal is for you to eventually be able to take a shoulder width grip and be able to bring the stick/towel up and over your head touching your lower back/glutes. Do this after a bench day and you will see how sore your shoulders/upper chest will be. Thats all the tension getting released.

This and the neck stretch will correct your posture letting you stand tall with your chest out naturally without needing to consciously adjust it every few minutes.

How do you prevent rounded shoulders in this first place?

Again, posture. Be conscientious of it when you sit, don't let them hunch over. But also, its how you train at the gym. You do flat bench, incline bench, decline press, close grip bench for triceps, shoulder press, Arnold press...you know what all those exercises work?

The front delts. The front delts are getting over-developed (any push movement will use the front delts no matter how hard we try to take them out) and leaving the rear delts under-developed. Have you ever seen a bodybuilder with under developed front delts? No, such bodybuilder doesn't exist, but I can find you many with lagging calves, hamstrings or rear delts. Most exercises naturally work the front delt but most exercises do not naturally work the rear delt. So what do?

Implement rear delt specific exercises such as face pulls and rear delt rows. (I prefer face pulls but each to his own). Just a few sets a week alongside those stretches should prevent rounded shoulders.

I don't know any really good rounded upper back stretches, will try to find some and may edit it in later.


Keep to more neutral/dark colours. Black, white, grey. Have the odd colourful item if you want.

But ultimately, your casual wardrobe should consist of white, black grey t shirts. Uniqlo do some good t shirts for fair prices.

Pay attention to the fit, the best fit would be one that fits somewhat close to chest, shoulders accentuating them but looser around stomach. Also, check the sleeve length. You want a slightly shorter sleeve length that way bitches can check out the gun show/at least give off the illusion of one. Ideal length is covering only the top third of the bicep . If you get lucky, some t shirts will have a sleeve length which just cover the the shoulder and barely anything else.

With bottoms, have a few denim jeans. Get dark blue wash, black and lighter blue wash denim jeans. Then you can buy whatever chinos you like or anything else you want to experiment with. Just make sure its tapered from the knee down, having straight/bootcut jeans don't look good anymore. Fit matters these days. Not saying you should buy skinny jeans either, just get tapered/slim jeans. Hollister/abercrombie and Uniqlo do a range of jean styles and are all fairly stretchy.

Get your t shirt sleeve length and jeans tailored if you can't find the perfect length/fit off the shelf (you probably won't).

Jackets- bomber jackets, pea coats, Canada goose-style jackets (you know... the one with the fur on the hood) shearling jackets (faux shearling jackets aren't bad either) are all in fashion right now.

Again, nows not the time to get all unique and creative. That comes later. Check r male fashion advice for more info.


Now, this won't make or break you but its nice to have one accessory piece or two. Think like a cuban chain, a watch, a ring or a bracelet.

Avoid fashion brand watches eg MVMT, Armani, vincero- ie any watch a fashion youtuber promotes. Those are overhyped and shitty Ali express watches with a high mark up. Their normal fashion advice is fine though.

Go for anything from Casio, Seiko, Citizen, Orient. All of these are good watch brands and have many watches for different budgets. Or just go to amazon and see what you like.

You'd be surprised how many times girls would say "nice watch" or "where did you get that watch" for a simple $100 watch.


Zinc- Great for testosterone, sperm production and to prevent hair loss. Its quite difficult for most people to get their daily zinc since it is only found plentifully in seafood like oysters which isn't part of most peoples daily diet. Take zinc picolinate, zinc citrate or cheleated zinc (ie zinc bound to an amino acid). Most zinc supplements are shit since they use zinc oxide which isn't bioavailable.

Vitamin D- also required for testosterone production and hair growth. If you are in the West, taking a vitamin D3 supplement should be mandatory regardless of your skin since we get so little light due to the weather for half the year and how we spend most of our lives indoors. If you live near the equator and spend a fair bit of your time outdoors then you can probably skip this .

Magnesium- this also helps testosterone but mainly it’s for helping your body use vitamin D. Helps with sleep. It also strengthens bones and prevents osteoporosis, perhaps more so than calcium. Again, avoid magnesium oxide, it’s not very bioavailable. Magnesium citrate, or glycinate are your friends.

Whey: Grass fed organic whey isolate. It’s the best, and barely more expensive than regular whey isolate.

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Title Looks 101
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Date February 10, 2021 6:50 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]MiddleSurgery277 points78 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Not a doctor, but even I know the hair loss supplements above wont stop Male Pattern Baldness. If you want to target the culprit you will need something that targets DHT. Great read nonetheless.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again10 points11 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Correct. Any guy who plans on using finasteride to combat hair loss needs to also heavily consider going on TRT. Finasteride will put you a pseudohermaphrodite-state and wreck your DHT. Being on TRT helps normalize the effects of crushing DHT by 50-70%. It’s a big decision to make but the individual has to weigh out pros and cons.

[–]bigballer296 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

males with healthy test levels that get on fin actually see a 7% rise in test levels because the body creates more of it due to the DHT being blocked.

[–]papertowelfreethrow4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

More Plate more dates on youtube talks about this. But he says its different for everyone but that 99% dont need to do this, theyll just return to normal levels after the get off finasteride. But idl much about it honestly, this is just the jist i got from his message.

He also talks about ketoconezal shampoo too slow hairloss. Id look into it for whoever wants to keep their hair.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nizoral, RU58841 and minoxidil together can be enough in most cases to halt hair loss. If you know you’re for sure gonna go bald, finasteride is necessary. MPMD YouTube channel is great and he does a good job breaking this stuff down for anyone who is interested.

[–]vinni18205 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm taking fin for 3 years now. I'm 32. I take Peruvian maca with it, just in case. I'm on LTR. I don't really think it gave me any bad collaterals. And it stopped my hair loss. But you can't really stop taking it.

I did my research back then, and other than the 1:10000 cases, it seemed all bro science the bad stuff. Problem is that ED is 99% in your head, imo

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re completely right. There are studies about finasteride and PFS. The men who took the placebo had slightly more depression/sex issues than the actual finasteride group. Most of it is in your head. That doesn’t change the fact that crushing your DHT (which MAKES you a man) will cause your body to revert into a pseudohermaphrodite like state. There are just way too many masculine functions in the body that DHT controls which testosterone simply can’t. I think finasteride is a fine drug. If you have high testosterone levels/good ratios from your baseline, you’ll most likely be just fine on it. For the guys who have issues, being on TRT can help tremendously.

[–]1redhawkes1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If you're low level T, then yes, if not, you don't have to go on juice, take zinc >50 mg daily. Also, as the other guy said, due to 5aR reduction, your testosterone will spike.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes but just because you get a slight rise in free-t doesn’t mean that free-t is benefitting you. It’s completely about ratios. DHT drives so many functions that make men men that testosterone alone cannot compensate for. When you cut DHT, you introduce your body to a state of androgenic deficiency. Erection quality, sex drive, strength, energy and mental function are just some of the things DHT drives in the body. The slight raise in free-t means nothing. That’s the same thing as saying “hey you can just take Clomid to raise your testosterone levels!”. No, you can’t. You’re crushing your estrogen in that situation and wrecking your ratios. Long term, you cannot use that to raise testosterone. My point with finasteride causing a pseudo-hermaphrodite-state comes from hammering your DHT levels which single handily makes you a man. The rise in free T means nothing because that free-t needs somewhere to go and a job to conduct. DHT is a necessity in the male body. If you gave a 11 year old boy finasteride, he would fail to complete puberty.

[–]1redhawkes-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You don't take fin to rise testosterone, idk how you came up with that conclusion. In this specific scenario, you still have DHT serum circulating in the bloodstream, and yes, DHT is hundred times more potent than T. DHT is still going to bind with androgen receptors, along with T, cos it's reduced by 70%, not eunuch level like dutasteride and other antiandrogens. Again, since DHT is derived from T and you have high levels, you're good.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, you misinterpreted everything I said lol.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

When did I ever say that you take finasteride to raise t? I was replying to you noting that 5ar reduction causes a slight spike in test levels. Big Oof

[–]1redhawkes-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Reread what you wrote, maybe your reading comprehension will return. Seriously.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You might actually be retarded as fuck if you think anything I just said finasteride is a good thing to utilize to raise testosterone. My point was taking TRT with finasteride and I argued your dumbass statement. You’re projecting HEAVILY right now buddy. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

[–]1redhawkes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lmao, do you even try with the buzz words. You don't need TRT if you're not an eunuch.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then you’ve read nothing I have commented this whole time. That’s truly disappointing.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s almost as if what you wrote was completely irrelevant to what I said. Your reading comprehension is clearly subpar since I in no way shape or form was promoting finasteride to raise testosterone. Are you reading the right comment?

[–]offroadrunner0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can you give sources for this info? This is the first I’ve heard about the pseudo hermaphroditism. Thanks

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just look up More Plates More Dates YouTube channel. The guy makes great content and goes very deep into this specific topic. He has a comprehensive series on hair loss and the science behind 5ar inhibition.

[–]CharlieGordan0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Going on TRT wont do anything to mitigate the sides of Finasteride. It might even hurt because now you have more testosterone being converted to DHT.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

That’s completely false. Please show me where you’re getting that information from.

[–]CharlieGordan0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I dont have any sources to show, but your source, Derek from MPMD, hasnt claimed that going on TRT would mitigate sides. And if you have normal T levels going on TRT might even be bad because there would potentially be more T aromatising into estrogen giving sides.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

MPMD isn’t the only place I would go to to find information? You don’t have a source yet you’re going to comment acting like you know what you’re talking about. Lol. Go read subreddits/forums on TRT with finasteride. In most cases it helps guys normalize. You wouldn’t need to worry about aromatization with TRT doses in most cases. It’s more about the ratios between your hormones. 150mgs of test three times per week isn’t going to yield significant aromatization. You would have to be a very high aromatizer for that to occur.

[–]CharlieGordan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I do know what Im talking about. Ive researched this intensely because Im balding. I pointed out MPMD because thats what you used, I also watch pretty much every single hair loss channel and go on the hairloss forums.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m waiting for your answer as to why TRT wouldn’t mitigate sides from Finasteride. I mean, you’ve seriously added nothing to this except your opinion. If you were reading forums and subreddits on this topic, you’d find what I said to be true on a mass-anecdotal level alone.

[–]CharlieGordan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The burden of proof is on you, youre the one who made the statement without any evidence.

TRT will not reduce sides because theres more testosterone giving there more room for it convert into DHT further accelerating the hair loss. Ive seen this on tressless and the hair loss forums and no one has ever claimed it reduces sides, theyve even claimed it may make the hair loss worse.

Ill change my mind if you send any statistics proving what I said to be wrong.

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow what a fucking retard you are. You literally replied to me and then your defense is you don’t have to prove your side either? Do you not see how stupid that sounds? You sound like a fucking woman, dude. lol.

[–]Neo_Natal4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Been on Fin for a little over a year now. Haven’t checked my test levels since getting on but objectively I’ve noticed ZERO decline on a day to day basis. My test levels before Fin were slightly above average for reference. I’m 27 so maybe I’m still in a state where my body can adapt well to the inhibited DHT, but I’m still as horny as my teenage self. Still kill it in the gym 6 days a week. Still have tons of energy daily and very rarely use caffeine.

Fin itself has probably saved my hair from receding even more and I’ve noticed some mild regrowth. Literally the only lasting side effect I’ve had is more watered down semen and I’ve read it lowers sperm count so it could just be that. But if you’re like me and don’t wanna go bald in your 30s, give it a shot.

[–]MiddleSurgery20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been on Fin for 9 months myself, and I actually feel like I've gotten noticeably bigger while on it. Been going to the gym for about 6 years consistently now and had a slight but significant increase in strength the past few months.

This isn't me telling you to jump on it, do your own research plz.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are already losing hair then maybe not.

But to prevent, zinc and vitamin D do help.



[–]UnbreakableButts20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

MVMT is shit quality but their designs are amazing. I get compliments on mine all the time. I'd say find a way to get a MVMT watch for it's real value, $5, on eBay or something.

[–]Ensifror9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah just buy 10 cheap knockoffs from different Chinese brands on eBay or Ali express. Then buy more watches from the 1 brand that was decent quality out of the 10. You'll save $100+ over buying mvmt for what is most likely the same watch.

Or buy budget brands with a rep for quality, seikos budget line being one.

[–]lieutenantdong18 points19 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Agree with alot of stuff. Good read.

Been taking vit d3 (2000iu) with calcium, magnesium, zinc for 2 months. My energy is way up and dick has never been harder. I honestly wake up in the night like my dick is single handedly trying to beat elon musk to mars.

For curved back, or back posture in general, nothing beats deadlifts. Maintain a straight back. Keep your eyes focussed on a point 2 metres in front of you, breathe in at the top, hold for 2 seconds while pulling your shoulders back before slowly lowering.

Facepulls are essential, especially if you neglected your back or front loaded workouts at some point (we all have). In addition i would recommend shoulder circles, whilst seated, palms up with light weights. Really concentrating on the width of the circle, pinching your shoulder blades back will really engage your lower traps.

You didnt mention teeth. As a dude that didnt have straight teeth i can tell you the confidence i now have talking and smiling is 10000%gains. Also it just looks better. If you can, get work done. Its one area you should put at the top of your list.

[–]JakeyPooPooPieBear2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Read into taking Vitamin D with Vitamin K. Also 2000iu is a pretty small dose you could probably benefit from having more.

[–]lieutenantdong0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks man just been reading up on it. What dose do you take? Ive seen up 10000 is available. I opted for 2000 to start plus its the tablets with the highest dose i could find with zinc and magnesium in the same tablet. Dont want to be popping different pills everyday.

[–]JakeyPooPooPieBear0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I try for 8-12k D3 a day. I should get blood work soon haven't checked it in a while

[–]ArhanRoll0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go for 5000 iu with k2 in liquid form as that absorbs the best

[–]Helmet_Icicle0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some vitamins have mutual absorption such that you'd want to take them at different times, as well

[–]JakeyPooPooPieBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya that's why I was suggesting Vit K it helps with D absorption

[–]Jacked5parrow36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can’t get passed how one sided some of these examples are. Like yeah it does prove your point but you’re cherry picking you’re supporting details.

You’re comparing a professionally taken photo of male models that are enchanted to what looks like a gang of IT support and some dude in his basement.

I’m pretty sure those glasses DBeckham was wearing would look terrible on the basement dude.

Chalk it down with, Enchance your pros, hide your flaws (shitty jawline, grow beard) or just own it if you really don’t give a fuck. But we’re under the assumption you give a fuck about your appearance.

[–]xJaegar14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Honestly what's up with the stigma that if you're below 5'10'', you can't get laid? This was the main source of my insecurity for so long until I actually went out there and discovered my height doesn't hinder me that much (I'm 5'6''). Sure, I get rejections but there are also girls that don't mind short guys, I'm even dating a chick a few inches taller than me right now.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the incels on here.

I even predicted their comments and they still commented exactly what I said.

[–]Blackpilled_adhdcel2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly what's up with the stigma that if you're below 5'10'', you can't get laid?

  • 90% of women will reject a man who is 5'4" based solely on his height.
  • 65% of women will reject a man who is 5'7" based solely on his height.
  • 50% of women will reject a man who is 5'8" based solely on his height.
  • 14% of women will reject a man who is 5'10" based solely on his height.

two inches of height gain for a man can be found to have the following results:

  • A man in the 5'4-5'6" range will have more than double the potential number of female partners with 2" height gain.
  • A 5'4" man will have 2.3 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
  • A 5'7" man will have 1.86 times as many potential female partners by gaining 2" height.
  • Benefits become insignificant past 5'10".



Idk why you downplay the disadvantage, it's pretty huge, yeah ofc it doesn't mean you can never get a date but that doesn't disprove anything.

[–]Schhwing73 points74 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Are you really using that thick necked freak as something to aspire to?

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 32 points33 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Who? Mike Tyson?


Please give me three reasons why having a muscular neck is a bad idea.

I’ll give you 3 reasons why it’s a good idea:

  1. Makes you look more jacked.

  2. Protects your brain from concussions.

  3. Fixes neck posture.

[–]DareToZamora44 points45 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not Tyson, the picture you posted

[–]BasilevsNihili25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He used it as example to show you can have a big neck while being an ugly skinny fat. I dont get how hard it is to understand this.

[–]Schhwing0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

That freak didn’t get his neck through neck training dude. And do you think mike Tyson did either? Things grow proportionately and due to genetics. Fucking neck training is a laugh

[–]aleksa_50321 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The first sentence is ok. But yes, IRON MIKE got his neck from trainig. I train muay thai, the difference between (same build) neck size from my friend who is much longer in the sport is just too funny. He has a rock solid bulked neck, emphasising constantly the 3 things OP mentioned. Try the neck exercises before talking, it will get you somewhere rather than commenting that neck training is a laugh. And if you accidentally get punched in your face, you might just survive the blow if your head holder is more in shape.

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doing BJJ/grappling alone made my neck grow bigger...

[–]BrabusS632 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re talking out of your ass bc of your pencil neck insecurities.

There are videos of Mike training neck as a teen, and many videos of him talking about neck training TO THIS DAY.

Thick neck = harder to KILL!

[–]Chemoley2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Check out f1 driver necks, some are built like oak trees, Ricciardo for example almost looks like he's got a thin head.

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[–]Trp272727226 points27 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Did you just say front squats helped shape your jaw lmao

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[–]Trp27272729 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So it improved your posture not your jaw

[–]BrabusS630 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean you don’t train your masseter muscles when you front squat br0?

[–]NahDukeFkThat8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The biggest chart of the pie is quite the simple one. Power/Social Status. There's real Social Status that speaks for itself, and then there's the one which you have to sell to get people to believe (your mannerisms, social aptitude, frame, your style/fashion etc). Master them both and no part of your aesthetic will matter. Literally, your looks will have 0 to do with how much quality pussy you get. Take a look at Harvey Weinstein and the fire pussy he was able to get (best believe they ALL threw themselves at him because they knew it was a casting couch from the jump)

On a lower scale, I know professors and high school teachers swimming in senior and college aged pussy simply because they've been an authoritative/father figure in these young women's lives for so long. And they all dress/look sloppy, nowhere near stylish or jacked. But because of their long-time position as teachers/leaders, and because they command respect (in a humorous but stern way), they get to fuck these 18yr old sluts with little to no game whatsoever.

Girls only fuck UP in Status, never down. And only across when they have no other choice.

The harveys and sloppy principles/teachers of the world do OK just relying on their status. But the true next level, GODHOOD where women will worship you and submit to you and do anything you want is going to come when you tie it all together. Status, Aesthetic-maxing, and Frame/Game/Charm.

Your job is to maximize all 3 of these and never settle for anything less than this. You will thank you, and the company around you will thank you very much.

[–]outlierkk5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i like how much work & effort went into making this post

[–]3pl84 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great post, but there is one thing I would add: Getting your teeth whitened. It is not expensive and makes a big difference.

Whitening strips work and are cheap, but there is a limit to how white you can get your teeth with strips alone. If you want the best results get your teeth whitened professionally

[–]lieutenantdong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How long to see results and what you spend?

[–]zino19341 points42 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Thats why guys will always want to bang the hot girl unless something is extremely off e.g BPD or believes in MUH patriarchy.

My dick is not that smart

Here's my caveman take:

Hair - shave it off - from skinny to nerd - bald = manlier.

Glasses - ask the girl at the glasses shop out, then after she says no, tell her - "what pair would the guy you say yes to wear?" Genuinely seek professional help - they need to match your face, attitude and give the right vibe. (do this for any product that is advertised with models - anything can look great on a model, not everyting will on you) Girls are radars for it, we are just chimps.

Beard: Leave it long and keep it clean and trim and cut it back to trim 3-4 times a year. Do not have cheesy muslim-gangsta drawn-on straight lines - i will know that you are a metrosexual that pays to be groomed weekly by other men if I see that pansy shit on your face.

Neck: farmer's walks until your fingers scream UNCLE. The rest is for pansies, gronk strong, gronk doesn't do 2 hour gym session with the girls.

Physique: lift heavy, get your strength up to a manly standard to which you don't cry if you have to move a couch - then do sports regularly. Team stuff is fun and you get a acceptable situation to chest thump

Posture: if you feel tight, google streching that muscle and work more on the antagonist muscle or muscle chain. Don't cry durring the strech session and take advantage of the tightness to get your lady friend to rub you over.

Fashion: Gronk does heavy lifts, then $10 shirts look fine. Buy 10x bulk packs so you can easily rip them off to impress the woman folk at the party without breaking the bank. Never wear chinos if you don't wanna hook up with the bermudan bartender.

Accessories: Only wear gifts women gave you - including your mom. Like with tattoos, it's only as good as the story that comes with it. If you wear a nice watch, you are asking to be conned and in the law of the jungle, you are fair game - like a albino tiger.

Supplements: All the micronutrients you need can be found in pure virgin tiktok thot blood. Pop that cherry and then slurp that innocence until the poor little girl is a shaky slobbery mess. It's the law of nature, you get her to graduate to sex worker and she supplies you with all your essential aminos and minerals required for a peak alpha bod.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Disagree about the hair but everything else:

Based and caveman-pilled.

[–]zino1933 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rock-pill achieved lol - now go wrestle that deer in the mud and prep breakfast https://youtu.be/rUiPmHA7Xqg

[–]BrownGummyBear0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that a short beard will probably appeal to a wider audience but I like leaving my beard long and some women are seriously into it. Your advise is generally good but obviously each guy should modify to fit personal preferences

Lifting is non-negotiable though. Everyone should lift.

[–]Trp27272723 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only wear gifts women gave you

Facts. A nice bracelet that your mother/nan got you is an easy conversation starter.

Easy kino too, get her to wear it. Just another excuse to build tension and attraction.

She’ll also instantly be comfortable with you just because you’re wearing a bracelet your mum got you, trust me.

[–]1BlondeHornyElf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i literally get more looks from chicks if i take my mom out somewhere.. it's like auto-social-proof even tho i never had to game my mom lol

[–]pappo4ever0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gronk does heavy lifts, then $10 shirts look fine.

This. This is what most guys ignore. If you are jacked, a dirty old free Tshirt from 1994 will look great on you. Anything will look great, and if you are fat you can hide it with clothes but only up to a certain point.

[–]largepaycheckaddict7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Looks / physique are the traffic light to a woman’s interest. But it works with respect to her taste in men.

If you look good to her she will be more receptive to your approach and more likely to go out with you.

For example: if you dress like a football jock and carry yourself with that type of persona, are handsome / nice physique, etc.. the shy emo art ho who is a closet freak might not be as receptive to him as the normie chick in the north face and leggings.

Likewise a cute “preppy” girl at a prestigious college studying finance probably isn’t going to be going on dates with a tattooed art bro who rides a motorcycle and likes to smoke weed.

Looks / aesthetics is the OG speed dating. Take care of yourself and dress in a way that expresses your personality in order to attract women who are a good match for you.

“Don’t judge a book by its cover” is only a saying because everyone judges a book by its cover.

Obviously there’s endless variables and circumstances in this and sometimes a dude who gets his clothes from dumpsters and Salvation Army winds up dating a fashionista (literally happened to my best bud in college).

[–]themostgianthorse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the traffic light analogy

[–]Thelonelywindow11 points12 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the post! I needed this 🤧 how much percent of vitamins /zinc/magnesium though?

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

By this you mean dosage right?

If you use a high quality brand (I use solgar), take what they recommend and no more.

Eg with their zinc picnolate and chelated zinc, they only say to take one.

So take one. Too much zinc depletes you of copper.

[–]r32_skyline5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes yes, pay the vitamin jew, buy $400 worth per month...

[–]Thelonelywindow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah dosages, sorry. I dont think we have solgar where I live but I ll check it out.

[–]harry_lawson0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Solgar actually sells their zinc in lower levels than is prescribed to treat hypogonadism. 50mg elemental Zn is the typical medical dose used to raise testosterone, usually supplemented with copper to prevent tanking Cu levels.

[–]Andgelyo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post. Agree with the short sides and medium top for hair, on any man. Nothing to add here from my end. Just wanna say a nice clean cut, some stubble, a fitted v neck shirt, and grey sweat pants can get the bitches checkin’ 💯

[–]KnockEmDead_Kid2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great post, man. Guys, if you feel keen on having a "unique" hairstyle, try playing around with the types of clothes you pair it with. I've been growing my hair for about a year and am having fun experimenting with different styles as it grows between stages. Right now it looks like Bender from The Breakfast Club and I've been pairing it with 80s and 70s-ish clothes to have a "look" to it, I get the impression I'm able to get away with some styles I normally wouldn't go for, turns out I like em, too. Found having thick, conditioned waves makes for a good talking point, women ask me how I get my hair so beautiful, lol.

[–]Endorsed ContributorForeverKarlMalone2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Epic post. Thanks so much for the wealth of knowledge. For everyone on the fence he’s 100% right about the fade undercut. It works with the ladies.

If it works, no need to get creative and change things just do it.

[–]1laserdicks13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is post is bestof material.

Detailed but no bullshit.

[–]Sickem_roy1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You can’t fix your face. But you can keep a fresh cut, dress well, smell good, stay clean etc. don’t be weird about it lol

[–]Ensifror6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can fix your face in most cases. Facial fat makes a night and day difference. And even if you're already lean, you can put more effort into grooming, and start eating tougher, more chewy foods to grow your jaw muscles, which adds bulk in the right places.

Obviously not everything is in your control. But you can definitely still make a big difference.

[–]BonjourReturn0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I start chewing 32 times per bite and yes there are some improvement X)

[–]Housson1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Great post! However, going bald is not preventable. The key is that you need to confident about it. If you don’t care, it doesn’t matter. Obviously some women will care and it won’t work for them but it’s not as big a deal as you might think.

[–]Ensifror5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It usually is, depending on how far you're willing to go. A DHT blocker like finasteride will almost always prevent it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You missed the single most important factor in looking attractive to women, getting lean as fuck. Going from even 15 to 10% BF will likely drastically improve not only your V taper but the aesthetic of your face. Most guys don't even know what they're working with underneath all of the flub.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Had a whole bit on this but thought it was too long so I just cut it.

Might just make a separate one on this alone.

[–]LSTrades4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I’m 5’7” and i used to be pretty chubby, i looked pregnant and my hair uses to be spiked up as if I went thru a wind tunnel. I still smashed a lot of pussy in college.

From my personal experience, as long as you’re a fun guy leading an interesting life, you’ll be fine.

Also - before the neckbeards attack me, I’m not suggesting you should look like shit, obviously clean up.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I know a guy who is literally like you were. Maybe a bit shorter idk. (Is rich as fuck though due to his dad managing a hedge fund at a Morrocan bank).

But regardless, the exception proves the rule.

[–]LSTrades5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

haha maybe I am him! but yeah from what I've realized height honestly does not matter. I've been through girls ranging from 4'10 to 5'10" and everything in between.

[–]Kuneyah2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Height matters until it doesnt basically

[–]dartyszn40 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t mean shit if you look good and can hold frame. The first 30 seconds to a minute though don’t act insecure

[–]Kuneyah0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's exactly what this statement means lol

[–]1BlondeHornyElf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ya we all know guys like that... dudes who say u can't get laid if you're under 6 feet are unironically the ones coping

[–]archit142 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All fun and games until you lay your finger on gaming.

I’m sorry dude, idc if this is TRP behaviour or not because I cannot give 2 fucks but I’m gonna spend my time with the console.

Yeah I lift and yes I maintain but that TV and the games are non-negotiable.

[–]Kannonn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They targeted gamers.


[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Post history didn’t disappoint.

So many posts about gaming, and asking for porn sources...but not a single one about lifting.

You sure you lift?

[–]archit140 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve a trainer and I’m happy with my results of the past. Had it not been for covid, I would have completed almost 1.5 years of commitment.

So yeah, I know how my life functions.

[–]GroundPole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol its like telling someone who smokes weed thats its vad for them long term because of the motivational effects etc. Lots of people deny it.

Its not the worst hobby...

[–]macrian1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Regarding vidya games and sitting on our ass all day. I am a software engineer. The chair on my desk cost me 500 EUR in order to have all the proper support on my neck, waist, etc.
I play vidya games every other day. I wake up at 6 every morning to feed my dog, play around 15-30 mins of video games and then take my dog for a walk, before doing my daily workout fasted and continue fasting until 12 (lunchtime) at work (where unfortunately, the company chair is piece of shit mass produced offfice chair with no headerst).
Games are not tricking me into thinking I achieved something. Games are my reward drug. I quit smoking, I started working out, I have what I want most of the time and I do not need to work on anything. I can easily become complacent and stop working on myself because I have good money now and forever, I have good physique and top health. But no, I keep striving to be better, I keep trying my best to improve myself, and vidya games are what I reward myself with, withdrawal from them are what I punish myself with. I did not work out yesterday? No games. I did not read/improve/etc? No games.
I can easily fall into the trap of "one more match" but I play offline single player games where I have no friends connected with and I have no sense of "belonging" or "catching up" or even "I gotta play more to keep up with these dudes" and when I did play online, I would always avoid "friendships" for this specific reason.
Now given how much I enjoy video games, sometimes I feel bad that I am not fully immersed into them.

But, discipline is key. And if you cannot have the discipline to avoid temptation when it shows up in your face, then get that damn temptation out of your face.

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[–]Or1ginality0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

What about Cologne and body odor in general?

[–]Ensifror2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Cologne is very helpful, especially in a nightlife setting. Go to a fragrance store, test out 10, and buy the best one that you would be willing to use daily. That will be your daily driver.

You can then expand your collection to include more situation specific fragrances via the same method.

As for BO. Just make sure you shower every morning and wear deodorant, preferably unscented deodorant so it doesn't clash with your fragrance.

My personal favorites are John Varvatos Artisan Pure (for day) and CH men Prive (for night and winter). But different fragrances react with different skin differently so you gotta experiment.

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[–]Ensifror0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't knock it 'til you try it. All I know is women react, and they react well.

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[–]Ensifror0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, that's what you meant. I'll keep it in mind, though I don't personally have any estrogenic side effects after years of daily use.

[–]izzyinjurious0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For the posture section. Jeremy Ethier has a couple great videos that help this. He also goes over the exercise you described.

Good shit tho.

[–]shittyfuckdick1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Been doing his posture routine. Not bad.

[–]3trplurker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good post, really outlines the whole idea of. Rule #1 Be attractive Rule #2 Don't be unattractive

Basic hygiene and self care go a long way to being attractive. What I've been told (on here) and found to be fairly good is to find a male celebrity that we sorta look like, same complexion, skin tone, body type and face structure. Doesn't have to be exact but similar, then follow their style. Sounds bad but it really works because those celebrities do not pick out their wardrobe or hair styles, they have a team of highly paid fashion professionals do it for them. What we're doing is leveraging the advice of those high paid professionals to our own benefit.

Is it looks only matter at the very start of the interaction but then ceases to?

This is it's own topic but "looks" are basically our SMV advertisement, it's the first impression before anything else gets put in. Part of looks is posture and bearing, does someone look nervous and out of place or comfortable and relaxed?

[–]BrabusS630 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So typical of modern Reddit to point out thick neck black meme dude as if your whole point is to look like him rather than to see the elusiveness of a thicc neck. Same dorks who ask for sOuRcE! for simplest shit that’s common knowledge.

You posted a 10/10 guide on SMV (body wise) maxxing. Great job.

One thing that resonated with me (I agree and already do 99% of your post bc I’m alfalfa w0lf), the t-shirt shirt length to cover a third of the bicep.

Holy fuck! Shitty tricep insertions have my lower arm looking 2 inches smaller when t shirts cover half my arm. Any experience with getting t shirts tailored?

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So typical of modern Reddit to point out thick neck black meme dude as if your whole point is to look like him rather than to see the elusiveness of a thicc neck.

Never under estimate a spergs ability to sperg.

Any experience with getting t shirts tailored?

Yeh for this, just go to any decent tailor. You don’t have to go an expensive suit tailor just for t shirt sleeves.

Either you can tell them where you want to cut it (they’ll pin it for you there) or give them an old t shirt as a sample and tell them to make the sleeves like that.

[–]armenian_UwUcide0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pfft, hair. To a degree, long hair can and does look attractive if it is taken care of. Think rockstar. There’s definitely a lot of girls attracted to a man with a stallion’s mane. If you want to keep your hair cut like a regular man though, I agree: undercut or bust.

If you are balding, then just go full Saitama or lumberjack: either stay shaved and super fit, or grow a beard and stay super fit. Either way, keep that dome shiny and wear it with pride.

Clothes and accessories: ...just wear what you want and make sure its fitted. This shit changes via trend and honestly, it’s just clothes. Isn’t your goal to take that off? I have fucked girls wearing the most absurd accessories before; you can slay girls in a tutu if you’re otherwise attractive without it. Really, don’t overthink clothes. Make sure it fits, make sure you are sexy without it, and beyond that, wear what you want, whether your goal is style, pure pragmatism, attracting goth hoes or downright all for absurd hilarity. It’s not that important.

[–]ChrimsonChin9880 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It bears mentioning that the haircuts you recommend require a certain bone structure to pull off. If youre an ugly SOB or fat dont take a fade away haircut.

[–]weebmaster320 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised how many times girls would say "nice watch" or "where did you get that watch" for a simple $100 watch.

Can this also be achieved with a nice watchface on a smartwatch (45mm black Galaxy Watch 3).

[–]pappo4ever0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably avoid creatine as well since creatine can accelerate hair loss

I had early hair loss, had a huge bald spot in my crown. Tried everything, Solution: Hair Transplant.

Shit is like a miracle, in fact my fear is that I got too much hair. It takes a couple years to show also.

Thing is, it didn't really affect my looks, it only makes me looks younger and that may or may not increase your SMV. I look about 15 years younger, and I'm not exaggerating. I'm 45 now and pass easily for a 30 year old, a couple years ago you would easily give me 50. Again, this is not a bad thing if you are jacked. A bald jacked guy looks much more masculine than young, hairy guy, so ymmv. I had the money, I tried and I liked the results, but I also looked good bald and jacked (I'm not that jacked now).

[–]SewerBlackManDweller0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hi guys. I am 13 (soon 14) and I am having skin problems, I am not fat or anything but my face looks like a battlefield with pimples. Basically a huge diarrhea shit. I tried using these skin care shits etc etc but I am just too lazy to use them 2 times a day. I also tried washing my face but again I am too lazy. Any tips on what the fuck I should do?

[–]hearse2230 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

All I can say is dont pick at or pop your pimples too much.

When you get older all that crap goes away, but if you pop them too much or just play with your face too much youll end up with nasty scars that don't go away.

[–]SewerBlackManDweller0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

but what do i do if theres this one annoying one which stands out? just let it be there? they wont go alone right

[–]prettyflamazing0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hair advice is awful, get a haircut that fits your face shape not one that is trendy at a particular moment.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds great, doesn’t work.

Most guys look good with a fade, and it helps that they are classic/timeless.

[–]prettyflamazing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're really aging yourself.

[–]ChadThundagaCock0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Any reason why you said incline dumbbell over barbell? Is one better than the other?

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Better contraction since you can bring the dumbbells together

[–]ChadThundagaCock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah. Ok, I'll give it a shot.

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[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 23 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

“No amount of lifting can compensate for being under 5'10, its over for average height-cels"

That’s you right now.

Focus on changing what you can, ignore what you cannot change.

That’s always been the message here.

[–]1BlondeHornyElf1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

literally zero downside to being in shape

[–]6ofh6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

This is redpill right? Do you wanna get laid or not? Women care what that body looks like far more than the face if they’re also interested in just sex.

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[–]6ofh1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So women who want sex look at your face regardless of attached body and go yeah or nah? Brad Pitt is not my type. I’d not have sex with any body of his that I’ve seen except maybe Troy. I’m just not into blond’s.

But you know who I think could use a body upgrade? To match his face in my unpopular opinion. Jon Hamm. Swap his face and body stats around and I’d be down anytime. But not like he is. Which he’s totally allowed to be. And I’m allowed not to salivate over.

But yeah. Just from my opinion. And my mates. A nice face is nice. A hot body tho, that’s what arouses.

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[–]6ofh1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus. No. I was just trying to make a point about faces not doing that for me. Obvs they’re both like 11/10s.

[–]THdz1010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha that dude took a shit ton of steroids his face got fat and he is losing some hair.

If he had stayed natty he would have been better than those two pics.

Steroids help your body but damage you face making it look fatter and hair loss.

[–]Endorsed ContributorForeverKarlMalone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are you here lol

Go back to whatever incel community you crawled out of

[–]1BlondeHornyElf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is the only /trp post i've ever bookmarked.

i'm eccentric and loner by nature so i rarely ever tune into what's "good" or considered fashionable. due to covid i've just hunkered down with my own projects and lost track of where everyone else is at these days tbh.

so thanks for this article i can def see myself putting these tips and basic reality-check to good use.

[–]Philosophipster0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s actually 10 % luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will. 5% pleasure, 50% pain.

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[–]tuvok86-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hair loss is very preventable at the early stages

No lol it's not, it's genetics dude.

With pills you can only slow it down a bit and screw your hormones in the process (and potentially your libido).

You can either:

  • suck it up like a man and accept it, shave it all off once it's past a certain point, you don't wanna look like a dumbass with those stupid cuts and styles that try to cover your baldness (screams NOT CONFIDENT).
  • get a transplant, which is getting cheaper and easier by the day (still, takes up to a month to be able to go back in public and about a year for most of the regrowth to manifest)

[–]macrian-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Regarding Zinc. What is an ideal dose?

Zinc Citrate 50 mg

Zinc 15 mg

What should I be looking for? The Ciitrate amount or the normal amount?

[–]r32_skyline1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Zinc citrawearenotanurtritionalist

[–]On_The_Tweek_Again0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Chelated Zinc is where it’s at. Way better absorption rate.

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

If it’s a good company, doesn’t matter.

Post a link to a product you’re thinking and I’ll tell you green light or red light

[–]macrian0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I did not want to post from local site, so here is an amazon link https://www.amazon.co.uk/Evolite-Zinc-Citrate-Package-Capsules/dp/B08663KYBN

[–]Protocol_Apollo[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Check if they have any reviews.

For some reason they use a percentage when it should be a dosage in MG.

If you are in UK, just get a solgar one from Amazon.

[–]macrian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not in UK. The bottle says, for every serving there are 50 mg of Zinc Citrate and 15 mg of Zinc

[–]cheesypongas-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always thought Gabe was a beta male, now it’s confirmed.

[–]hoopingblob-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you don't post your 6 packs on IG or any social media, you are wasting your time.

Girls don't care about confidence anymore or game. It's a digital world so adapt to it. Just don't be autistic.

[–]r32_skyline-5 points-4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"No game can compensate for being under 5'10, its over for average height-cels"

Both are wrong.

Shit we got a manlet over here...

OP listen - girls don't give a fuck about 'looks', just your wallet, alphaness and status, all of which have nothing to do with physical appearance.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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